Celebi (Update) (and a special bonus)

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Update: The whole thing basically.
Merged Cleric + Defensive.
Merged the Baton Pass sets.
Removed Specs, made a comment in Scarf about it.
Removed More Leech Seed + CM, it was too easily walled.
Removed Trick Orb, lol.



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Status: Done.

[Overview]
<p>Celebi was highly effective in the Advance generation, but its standings have faltered due to the threatening new moves that its adversaries have acquired. Celebi's whopping seven weaknesses really caused it to suffer as a defensive Pokémon. This problem is amplified by the fact that many of Celebi's checks, such as Scizor, Tyranitar, Heatran, and Rotom-A, can pick on its weaknesses. Trick can also put a damper on Celebi's defensive actions. Nevertheless, Celebi itself has acquired many new moves in its arsenal in order to defend itself. Thunder Wave, Leaf Storm, U-turn, Grass Knot, and even Trick help to threaten dangerous enemies. It also boasts resistances to six types, allowing Celebi to easily switch in and support its team.</p>

[SET]
name: Defensive
move 1: Grass Knot
move 2: Recover
move 3: Thunder Wave / Leech Seed / Heal Bell
move 4: Hidden Power Fire / Earth Power / Hidden Power Ice
item: Leftovers
nature: Bold
evs: 252 HP / 220 Def / 36 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
<p>Celebi's solid defensive stats, typing, and movepool allow it to function as an excellent defensive Pokémon. With the ability to cripple the opposing team or support your own, Celebi can function as an effective threat to the opponent and a great team player.</p>

<p>Grass Knot functions as Celebi's STAB move, hitting Tyranitar along with bulky Water-type Pokémon. Recover heals off any damage that Celebi might have taken. Thunder Wave allows Celebi to paralyze the opposing Pokémon and use Recover before it hits. Leech Seed may be used to steadily drain away the opponent's health and can also be used to heal Celebi's teammates once Celebi switches. Heal Bell is helpful for removing any status ailments that your Pokémon may be afflicted with. The last moveslot is for coverage: Hidden Power Fire is mainly for Scizor, who will otherwise switch in with impunity and U-turn out for heavy damage. Earth Power is for other Steel-type Pokémon like Heatran, while Hidden Power Ice can hit Dragonite and Flygon hard. However, you have to predict the switch-in, as Celebi will be outsped and likely KOed by the aforementioned threats.</p>

[Additional Comments]
<p>Celebi can also use Reflect or Light Screen in the third moveslot if your team has difficulty handling physical or special attacks, respectively. The EVs of this set allow for maximum physical bulk while outspeeding Jolly non-Choice Scarf Tyranitar.</p>

<p>Celebi's two biggest problems are Scizor and Tyranitar. The best that it can do is attack Scizor with Hidden Power Fire, which won't even OHKO after Stealth Rock damage, or 2HKO Tyranitar with Grass Knot before he strikes back at Celebi with Pursuit or Crunch. Magnezone can be used to trap and KO Scizor while he Pursuits or Bullet Punches Celebi. Furthermore, Celebi and Magnezone defensively complement each other. A Rotom Appliance may also be used to handle Scizor, as it resists both U-turn and Bullet Punch. Rotom-H is the best choice as it can scorch Scizor with Overheat, while Rotom-W is the best choice against Tyranitar because it can hit him with Hydro Pump. However, any Rotom Appliance with Will-O-Wisp can cripple them both. As for Tyranitar, Swampert can freely switch into any of his attacks, retaliate with Earthquake, and take the opportunity to set up Stealth Rock. Machamp is another effective Tyranitar switch-in, easily switching in on his Crunch, Pursuit, or Stone Edge and setting a Substitute to begin wreaking havoc with DynamicPunch. Scizor can take advantage of his Steel typing to come in on Crunch and Pursuit and use U-turn or Bullet Punch to scare Tyranitar away.</p>

<p>Celebi also has additional problems with Heatran, Dragonite, and Rotom-A. Celebi can take care of Heatran and Dragonite by predicting their switch-in and using Earth Power or Hidden Power Ice, but in case Celebi cannot achieve this, additional Pokémon are needed. A bulky Water-type Pokémon, such as Suicune or Vaporeon, can handle Heatran. Dragonite is a bit more difficult to handle. Suicune has the bulk to take a hit from Dragonite's attacks and OHKO him with Ice Beam, while Scizor can revenge kill him with Bullet Punch. Rotom-A is more complicated, as it can beat several of its own counters; however, Choice Scarf Tyranitar can handle Rotom-A who lack Will-O-Wisp and has the added benefit of absorbing Trick, something Celebi does not enjoy. Blissey is also a reliable counter to Rotom-A with her gargantuan HP and Special Defense, but must be careful of Trick, as it cripples her tremendously.</p>

[SET]
name: Tinkerbell
move 1: Thunder Wave
move 2: Leaf Storm
move 3: Hidden Power Fire / Psychic / U-turn
move 4: Recover / Rest
item: Life Orb
nature: Modest
evs: 232 HP / 244 SpA / 32 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
<p>While the previous set focuses solely on Celebi's defensive capabilities, Celebi can also combine its offensive and defensive prowess in one set. This set is for those who don't want Celebi to be a sitting duck, but don't want to sacrifice its support capabilities, either.</p>

<p>Thunder Wave is the only support move on this set and for good reason. By paralyzing down the opponent's Pokémon, Celebi debilitates the opposing team unless there is a cleric present. Leaf Storm is used for sheer power, being able to OHKO max HP / min SpD Tyranitar with Stealth Rock up. Hidden Power Fire is for Scizor and other Steel-types who like to switch in on Celebi. A combination of Leaf Storm, Hidden Power Fire, and one turn of Stealth Rock damage is even enough to KO Scizor. Psychic can be used for a dual-STAB moveset, hitting other threats neutrally without suffering from Leaf Storm's Special Attack drop. U-turn is also a good alternative to scout the opponent's team and clear up any of Celebi's Special Attack drops from Leaf Storm. Recover is there to heal Celebi's Life Orb recoil damage and doesn't force Celebi to switch out, while Rest allows Celebi to come back in later at full health.</p>

[Additional Comments]
<p>The EVs of this set allow Celebi to outspeed non-Choice Scarf Jolly Tyranitar, namely Dragon Dance Tyranitar, so Celebi can KO him before he begins to set up. It also lets Celebi take minimum damage from Life Orb while having the highest possible HP.</p>

<p>Due to the more offensive nature of this set, Scizor, Tyranitar, and Rotom-A aren't as difficult to check. Nevertheless, Pokémon from the previous set are still viable in order to support Celebi. Unfortunately, Heatran and Dragonite are still problems, but both can be handled by the aforementioned Pokémon.</p>

[SET]
name: Lead
move 1: Stealth Rock
move 2: Leaf Storm
move 3: Earth Power
move 4: U-turn / Hidden Power Ice / Hidden Power Fire
item: Occa Berry / Leftovers
ability: Natural Cure
nature: Timid
evs: 40 HP / 252 SpA / 216 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
<p>Celebi can also perform as a good lead due to its movepool and access to Stealth Rock. Stealth Rock is Celebi's best option for supporting the team in a lead position. Leaf Storm decimates Pokémon such as Swampert, Aerodactyl, Tyranitar, and Gliscor, while Earth Power 2HKOes both Metagross and Heatran. U-turn provides momentum for your team, allows Celebi to scout the opposing team, and helps against Azelf leads. It can also cause more entry hazard damage because your opponent will have to switch in a new Pokémon to handle yours. Hidden Power Ice allows Celebi to 2HKO Dragonite leads. Hidden Power Fire can be used instead to deal heavy amounts of damage against Scizor, Forretress, and Skarmory, thus preventing them from freely setting up or attacking. Note that if you choose to run Hidden Power Fire, 4 EVs from HP must be moved to Speed to outpace max Speed Gliscor.</p>

[Additional Comments]
<p>Celebi can also use Thunder Wave in order to cripple opposing leads. Thunder Wave can replace either the third or fourth move. The choice between Occa Berry and Leftovers depends on whether you want to set up Stealth Rock against Infernape and beat Heatran and Dragonite leads, or if you want Celebi to have more survivability. Celebi's bulk allows it to come back later on in the game, making Leftovers a viable option. The given Speed EVs allow Celebi to outspeed max Speed Gliscor, while the given Special Attack EVs are to provide Celebi with as much power as possible. The remaining EVs are put into HP for extra bulk. However, a standard spread of 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe can be used if you are afraid of Celebi being Tricked a Choice item, as it can then act as a makeshift revenge killer.</p>

<p>If Celebi is not carrying Hidden Power Fire, Skarmory and Forretress can freely switch in and begin setting up entry hazards. Therefore, a Pokémon with Rapid Spin is appreciated to help remove them. Starmie is a great Rapid Spin partner for this reason, as it resists Celebi's Fire-type weakness and can immediately threaten the aforementioned Pokémon with a STAB Surf or Hydro Pump. Tentacruel is a more defensive way to handle those two Pokémon, providing the same resistances as Starmie. Rotom-H also makes for a viable partner due to its ability to scare away Skarmory, Forretress, and Scizor. It can also block Rapid Spin users from removing your own entry hazards. Additionally, lead Tyranitar can be a problem, so a Pokémon like Machamp can help greatly, resisting Tyranitar's STAB moves and scaring him away with DynamicPunch.</p>

<p>With U-turn, a Pokémon is needed to help take care of Azelf. Scizor is a great choice due to his powerful Bullet Punch, while Choice Scarf Tyranitar can trap and remove Azelf with Pursuit. However, U-turn also allows Dragonite to be a huge threat to your team. Suicune can check him with Ice Beam and also packs a resistance to Fire-type moves. Scizor and Mamoswine can revenge kill both of them, but they share a common Fire-type weakness with Celebi.</p>

[SET]
name: Baton Pass
move 1: Calm Mind / Swords Dance
move 2: Grass Knot / Seed Bomb
move 3: Baton Pass
move 4: Recover
item: Leftovers
nature: Timid / Jolly
evs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
<p>With Celebi's great bulk and base 100 Speed, it can function as a great Baton Passer. Furthermore, with access to Recover and handy resistances, Baton Passing several boosts is quite easy.</p>

<p>Celebi has the potential to pass both Calm Mind and Swords Dance boosts. Grass Knot or Seed Bomb provides Celebi with a handy attacking move against common Taunters, such as Gliscor and Gyarados. With Baton Pass, Celebi can easily escape from potential threats such as Heatran, Skarmory, and most importantly, Pursuit Tyranitar and Scizor. Recover allows Celebi to set up against weaker Pokémon and also gives it the capability to Baton Pass more than once.</p>

[Additional Comments]
<p>Because Celebi has many weaknesses, it can be hard to find a good partner that Celebi can Baton Pass to. Pokémon that are innately fast or can boost their Speed are most viable. Starmie is a good partner to take advantage of Calm Mind boosts, as it has high Speed and Special Attack. Also, Starmie resists Celebi's Fire- and Ice-type weaknesses. Rock Polish Tyranitar is also a good partner to Baton Pass a Swords Dance to, as he resists all of Celebi's weaknesses except for Ice and Bug. Agility Lucario is another alternative recipient if he can avoid Fire-type moves, as he resists all of Celebi's other weaknesses bar Flying and Fire.</p>

<p>Celebi is viable on Baton Pass chains due to its bulk and useful resistances. Vaporeon is a good partner due to her resistances to Fire- and Ice-type moves and ability to Baton Pass large Substitutes or Acid Armors. Scizor is an excellent teammate, as he can Baton Pass Agilities or Iron Defenses. Smeargle is also a good partner due to his vast movepool, allowing him to Baton Pass all sorts of boosts along with Ingrain.</p>

[SET]
name: Offensive
move 1: Leaf Storm
move 2: Hidden Power Fire / Hidden Power Ice
move 3: Earth Power / U-turn
move 4: Recover / Rest / Thunder Wave
item: Life Orb / Leftovers
nature: Timid
evs: 32 HP / 252 SpA / 224 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
<p>Taking an even more offensive role for Celebi, this set attempts to maximize Celebi's offensive capabilities without the use of a Choice item or a stat boosting move. The wide coverage supplied by Celebi's moves allows it to thoroughly surprise many of its checks. This set can be comparable to Shaymin's offensive set, except it features a stronger initial move in Leaf Storm and the ability to use U-turn and Recover.</p>

<p>Although this set doesn't use a Special Attack-boosting nature, Leaf Storm still does huge damage to Tyranitar and Rotom-H. However, Scizor will no longer be reliably KOed by Leaf Storm, Hidden Power Fire, and Stealth Rock damage without a little bit more residual damage. However, this set may employ the use of Hidden Power Ice in order to OHKO Dragonite. Beware of Scizor should you choose to use Hidden Power Ice instead of Hidden Power Fire. Earth Power strikes Heatran and Metagross, but can't OHKO and 2HKO them, respectively, without a bit of prior damage. Due to the additional Speed, Celebi can outspeed all non-Choice Scarf variants of Heatran. U-turn is there to scout your opponent's team and to remove the Special Attack drops from Leaf Storm. Thunder Wave works well as it can cripple any Choice Scarf Tyranitar or Scizor.</p>

<p>Life Orb is used to hit as hard as possible, while both Thunder Wave and Leftovers can help bluff a defensive set, allowing Celebi to strike back with an unsuspecting, powerful move. However, without Life Orb, Scizor cannot be 2HKOed by a combination of Leaf Storm and Hidden Power Fire.</p>

[Additional Comments]
<p>Due to the 30 Speed IV needed for Hidden Power Fire, this Celebi only runs 224 Speed EVs. This allows it to outspeed all Pokémon that attempt to beat positive base 95s by one point. 32 HP also gives you a Life Orb number, allowing Celebi to have the highest HP possible while taking the least Life Orb damage. If you were to use Hidden Power Ice, feel free to go with a 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe spread in order to Speed tie with other positive nature base 100s.</p>

<p>With an offensive mindset, this Celebi does not require as many defensive Pokémon in order to support it. The aforementioned Pokémon in the previous sets still help though. Additionally, more offensive Pokémon may also be used now that their checks are cleared out of the way. With Scizor gone, Dragon Dance Tyranitar is free to sweep more easily without fear of being revenge killed. With Rotom-A and Heatran gone, Swords Dance Scizor and Lucario won't have to worry about being outsped and killed. All three have a way of helping out Celebi defensively as well because Tyranitar, Scizor, and Lucario all resist Celebi's Dark- and Ghost-type weaknesses.</p>

[SET]
name: Choice Scarf
move 1: Leaf Storm
move 2: Hidden Power Ice
move 3: Earth Power
move 4: Trick / U-turn / Rest
item: Choice Scarf
nature: Timid
evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
<p>Celebi's diverse movepool allows it to be a useful revenge killer. Leaf Storm hits for heavy damage right off the bat, capable of KOing Dragon Dance Tyranitar after a bit of residual damage. It also helps out with Suicune before it acquires too many Calm Minds, and can hit Gyarados for a good chunk of damage. Hidden Power Ice is your best choice to hit Dragonite and Flygon, while Earth Power can check Heatran, Infernape, and Metagross. The last moveslot is for utility; Trick cripples CurseLax, CroCune, and Blissey, while U-turn lets Celebi become a useful scouter. Rest is another viable option, as Celebi's Natural Cure ability will rid Celebi of sleep upon switching out, but Celebi should be wary of boosting threats. Hidden Power Fire may be used to hit Scizor, Skarmory, and Forretress, but it prevents Celebi from being able to revenge kill Dragonite.</p>

[Additional Comments]
<p>Although Shaymin may have a better long-term move in Seed Flare, Celebi's Psychic typing lets it switch into common Fighting-type moves and revenge kill unsuspecting opponents. Furthermore, Trick and U-turn also contribute towards Celebi's status as a Choice Scarfer. Celebi can also utilize Choice Specs on this set, but this leaves it to fear a Pursuit from Scizor and Tyranitar because of the many more times Celebi comes in to attack instead of just revenge kill.</p>

<p>Scizor, Skarmory, and Forretress can all be problematic to this set, as Celebi doesn't have Hidden Power Fire to hit them with. Magnezone can help with all of them, trapping them with its Magnet Pull ability and removing them with Thunderbolt or Hidden Power Fire. Heatran and Infernape also can scare them away with their STAB Fire-type moves, while Starmie or Tentacruel can Rapid Spin away any entry hazards that Skarmory and Forretress lay down. Tyranitar is also problematic, as he can Pursuit a fleeing Celebi and potentially remove your revenge killer. Machamp, Scizor, and Swampert can all easily capitalize on that switch. Finally, Dragonite and Gyarados can still be threats if they come in on the appropriate move. Rotom-A and Vaporeon can handle Gyarados, while Mamoswine and Scizor can revenge kill Dragonite.</p>

[SET]
name: Offensive CM
move 1: Calm Mind
move 2: Grass Knot
move 3: Psychic
move 4: Hidden Power Fire / Earth Power
item: Leftovers / Life Orb
nature: Timid
evs: 32 HP / 252 SpA / 224 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
<p>Celebi can also use a simple boosting set in order to sweep the opponent's team. It can Calm Mind as the opponent switches out and attack with its three coverage moves. Grass Knot is used to hit bulky Water-type Pokémon along with Tyranitar, while Psychic strikes enemies like Dragonite, Rotom-A, and Infernape. Hidden Power Fire rounds out the set by allowing Celebi to hit Steel-type Pokémon such as Skarmory and Scizor, but leaves Celebi walled by Heatran. Earth Power can be used for this reason and also hits Metagross harder, but leaves Celebi open to Scizor and Skarmory.</p>

<p>Leftovers is the suggested item as Celebi needs the survivability to be able to take a hit and retaliate. However, Life Orb can also be used if you prefer maximum offensive capability. If Celebi is using Earth Power, go with the simple 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe in order to Speed tie base 100s.</p>

[Additional Comments]
<p>As mentioned before, Celebi will either be walled by Heatran or by Scizor and Skarmory. No matter which attack you choose, Celebi will also have trouble with Blissey. Therefore, a Heatran of your own with Explosion is a handy partner because he can switch into Fire-type attacks from opposing Heatran and either Earth Power to remove him or use Fire Blast to scorch Scizor and Skarmory. Additionally, with Explosion, Blissey won't be stopping Celebi's sweep any time soon. Heatran also lures in bulky Water-type Pokémon like Swampert and Suicune, whom Celebi can use as set-up fodder. Infernape is also a good choice to handle the aforementioned Pokémon except he is more frail and can't switch into attacks as easily.</p>

<p>Celebi has no way of boosting its Speed on this set, which means that it'll often be taking at least one attack from faster enemies such as Infernape, Gengar, or Choice Scarf Tyranitar. Even though Celebi is bulky enough to take a Fire Blast or Shadow Ball after one Calm Mind, it's still a better idea to remove those problematic Pokémon first. Infernape can be handled by Suicune, who can use Surf to remove him. Swampert is also a good choice with the added bonus of being able to switch into Fire-type moves that Celebi lures in. Gengar can be taken care of by Scizor, who also has good synergy with Celebi. Machamp, who also boasts a Dark-type resistance, can remove Tyranitar. Finally, Scizor also can help check Choice Scarf Tyranitar with three of his four moves.</p>

[SET]
name: SubSeed
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Leech Seed
move 3: Baton Pass / Recover / Hidden Power Fire / Hidden Power Ice
move 4: Grass Knot
item: Leftovers
nature: Timid
evs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
<p>Celebi has access to both Substitute and Leech Seed, meaning that it can wear down its opponents. The idea is simple: come in on something that can't threaten Celebi, set up a Substitute, and then Leech Seed away. If threatened, Celebi can also Baton Pass its Substitutes to an appropriate counter. Recover allows Celebi to live for an obnoxiously long time, while Hidden Power Fire and Ice damage the Grass-types that are immune to Leech Seed. Furthermore, Hidden Power Fire has the benefit of hitting Scizor, Forretress, and Skarmory, while Hidden Power Ice can deal with Dragonite. Grass Knot is to prevent Celebi from being complete Taunt bait as it can hit common Taunters reasonably hard.</p>

[Additional Comments]
<p>Celebi as a SubSeeder should be used with an emphasis on its bulk. Additionally, with Baton Pass, Pokémon that are already threatening can be much harder to stop when under a Substitute. Many teams rely on either priority or a bulky Pokémon to check Dragonite; however, behind a Substitute, Dragonite can be even more threatening than he already is. Infernape is also a good choice for passing a Substitute to compensate for his frailty. With Baton Pass in mind, entry hazards are useful in order to prevent your opponent from checking your team as easily. Forretress and Skarmory are both good partners because they resist Celebi's Ghost-, Dark-, and Bug-type weaknesses. With entry hazards on your side of the field, a Rotom Appliance is a good teammate to block Rapid Spin.</p>

<p>Unfortunately, with Celebi having only Grass Knot to attack with if it's using Recover or Baton Pass, many Pokémon can set up on Celebi. Opposing Forretress and Skarmory can lay down entry hazards, which means that a Rapid Spinner of your own would be helpful. Once again, your own Forretress is a good partner, while Starmie can also suffice due to Recover. Dragonite with Roost can set up in front of Celebi, so a Pokémon like Suicune or Swampert can be helpful in taking them out before they set up.</p>

[SET]
name: Perish Song
move 1: Perish Song
move 2: Grass Knot
move 3: Recover
move 4: U-turn
item: Leftovers
nature: Bold
evs: 252 HP / 220 Def / 36 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
<p>Perish Song Celebi is an excellent addition to many stall teams that don't want to rely on Trick in order to handle Pokémon such as CroCune, Calm Mind Jirachi, or CurseLax. It's also a good way to stop Baton Pass teams that lack a Soundproof Pokémon like Mr. Mime. Recover aids with stalling. U-turn facilitates the escape procedure in case Celebi gets trapped by a Dugtrio during Perish Song and allows the user to switch in a Pokémon after the opponent has chosen his, since U-turn occurs after the opposing Pokémon switches.</p>

[Additional Comments]
<p>With the stall-oriented idea of Perish Song, it's good to have defensive partners that can help out Celebi. Tentacruel and Blissey can both absorb the Fire- and Ice-type moves aimed towards Celebi, while Skarmory and Forretress can handle the Dark- and Bug-type moves directed at it. Additionally, with Perish Song causing so many switches, Skarmory and Forretress can also be helpful by laying down entry hazards.</p>

[Team Options]
<p>Celebi fears Tyranitar and Scizor because it needs to play a guessing game with them. Both of them can either predict a switching Celebi and hit it with Pursuit or attack with Crunch and U-turn, respectively. Therefore, a Pokémon that resists these types of moves is helpful. Magnezone can remove Scizor by trapping him and KOing him with Thunderbolt or Hidden Power Fire, while Rotom-A can Will-O-Wisp Scizor to effectively neuter him. Additionally, Rotom-H can just Overheat Scizor for the OHKO. Machamp is a good offensive partner because he resists U-turn, Stone Edge, Crunch, and Pursuit and can hit back at both Scizor and Tyranitar back with DynamicPunch. Swampert can tank Tyranitar's moves and set up Stealth Rock for your team. Celebi also has trouble with Heatran if it doesn't carry Earth Power. Suicune can tank Fire Blasts from Heatran and threaten him with Surf.</p>

<p>As for more defensive Pokémon, Skarmory and Forretress both resist Celebi's Bug- and Dark-type weakness. They can then proceed to set up entry hazards to cause more passive damage to the opponent. Blissey and Tentacruel can take the specially-based Fire- and Ice-type moves aimed towards Celebi. Starmie also resists these two types of moves and can utilize Rapid Spin in order to remove entry hazards, especially Toxic Spikes.</p>

<p>Celebi utilizing movesets without Hidden Power Ice or Thunder Wave risk being set-up fodder for Dragonite. Choice Band Scizor can work effectively as he can bypass Dragonite's boosts with Bullet Punch, or Mamoswine can be used to remove him with Ice Shard. Suicune is also defensive enough to take an Outrage and strike back with Ice Beam.</p>

[Optional Changes]
<p>Energy Ball may be used over Grass Knot on some sets as it hits Vaporeon and the Rotom formes harder, although the weaker power against Tyranitar and Suicune can be debilitating. Stealth Rock can be used on the defensive set as well because Celebi can set it up very effectively, but generally the already mentioned moves in the third moveslot are more reliable. Protect can be used to stall for Leftovers and Leech Seed recovery along with scouting against opposing Choiced Scizor and Tyranitar.</p>

<p>Celebi can also set up different field effects. Rain Dance is useful because it temporarily removes Celebi's Fire-type weakness and lures Fire-type attacks, which Rain Dance sweepers can set up on. Sunny Day can be employed because of Celebi's defenses but isn't as effective due to the common weaknesses Sunny Day abusers share with Celebi. Trick Room can also be used on Celebi also due to its bulk. With all three, Celebi can use U-turn to scout the opponent's switch. Healing Wish can be used on Celebi to fully heal one of your Pokémon, but to lose a defensive Pokémon like Celebi on your team is a shame.</p>

[Counters]
<p>Tyranitar and Scizor are, unsurprisingly, huge threats to Celebi, as both of them have great Attack stats and pack super effective moves. However, Celebi can defeat both of them with some prediction and the right moves. Heracross can switch into Celebi's moves and can threaten it with Megahorn, not caring about Thunder Wave due to his Guts ability. Weavile can also be a threat to Celebi with Night Slash, Pursuit, and Ice Punch, but needs a Choice Band to deal significant damage. As for specially-based Pokémon, Heatran and Gengar both threaten Celebi with their STAB super effective moves. However, both of them also despise Thunder Wave and Heatran fears Earth Power.</p>

<p>Skarmory and Forretress can both set up on Celebi without Hidden Power Fire, laying down entry hazards while Celebi can't deal much damage back. Skarmory can also use Whirlwind when predicting Celebi's switch, causing even more residual damage. Dragonite fears Thunder Wave and Hidden Power Ice, but if Celebi doesn't have those, he can either set up on Celebi or remove it from play with Flamethrower or Fire Blast.</p>

<p>Against Celebi on a Baton Pass team, ironically a Celebi of your own with Perish Song is helpful because some Baton Pass teams don't carry Mr. Mime meaning that they can't stop Perish Song. Furthermore, Skarmory can also come in and Whirlwind Celebi away if it isn't Ingrained. Taunt can also stop Celebi from Baton Passing, though Gyarados and Gliscor don't like taking Grass Knots or Seed Bombs. Skarmory can take Celebi's offensive moves and Taunt it, however.</p>

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Lol I doubt that anyone that saw your 1k thread will forget it. Obvioustly this fails in comparison because boobs > analyses. You should start writing more instead of being a lazy bum. Is inferior to ibo.

Theorymon: Keep those random sets and analyses coming. I expect nothing but long analyses from you. Might I recommend NU to you: it includes such strong Pokemon like Magmortar in order to rip apart the whole tier. Is inferior to ibo.

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(ok i'm tired of adding "Is inferior to ibo.") God dammit ibo.

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Rising Dusk: Rising Duck you mean.

chenn: /me humps chenn

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Fireburn: Or should I say Firestorm?

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Gratz on the 1k man!

Hmm, these sets might need a bit of work though. The lead set doesn't need to say what SR does, and the sets need more mention of how they're played.

Again on the lead set, Tyranitar is the best poke to handle Azelf, trapping and killing with Pursuit.
 
grammar checking cause it's your 1k
[Overview]
<p>Celebi was great in the Advance generation, but its standings have faltered due to the additional threats that its adversaries have acquired. Its whopping seven weaknesses really caused it to suffer. This problem is amplified by the fact that many of its adversaries (maybe reword to 'checks and counters' or something) can pick on Celebi's weaknesses, such as Scizor, Tyranitar, Salamence, Heatran, (i'm not sure if oxford commas are allowed here) and Rotom-H. Trick can also put a damper on Celebi's defensive actions, locking it into only one move. Nevertheless, Celebi itself has acquired many new moves that can be used in order to defend itself. Thunder Wave, Leaf Storm, U-turn, Grass Knot, and even Trick itself helps to keep away potential enemies. It also boasts resistances to six types, allowing Celebi to easily switch in and support the team.</p>

[SET]
name: Defensive
move 1: Thunder Wave / Leech Seed / Reflect
move 2: Grass Knot
move 3: Recover
move 4: Hidden Power Fire / Earth Power / Hidden Power Ice
item: Leftovers
nature: Bold
evs: 252 HP / 220 Def / 36 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
<p>Celebi's solid defensive stats, typing, and movepool allow it to be an excellent defensive Pokemon. With the ability to cripple the opposing team or support yours, it functions as a good switch-in to several threats. (you might need a 'such as' here but again i've never written an analysis so i wouldn't know)</p>

<p>Thunder Wave allows Celebi to paralyze the opposing Pokemon and potentially use Recover before it hits. Leech Seed may be used to steadily drain away the opponent's health and can also be used to heal your teammates. Reflect provides the best defensive boost, allowing Celebi to survive Tyranitar and Scizor's super effective attacks better. Grass Knot functions as your STAB move, hitting Tyranitar along with bulky Water-type Pokemon. Recover heals off any potential damage that Celebi might have taken. The last moveslot is for coverage. Hidden Power Fire is mainly for Scizor, who can come in and U-turn out without any threat. Earth Power and Hidden Power Ice function similarly for Heatran and Salamence respectively, but you have to predict the switch-in as Celebi will be outsped.</p>

[Additional Comments]
<p>Light Screen can be used in the first moveslot if your team has difficulty handling special attacks. The EVs of this set allow for maximum physical bulk while outspeeding Jolly non-Choice Scarf Tyranitar.</p>

<p>Celebi's two biggest problems are Scizor and Tyranitar. The best that it can do is hit Scizor hard with Hidden Power Fire or 2HKO Tyranitar with Grass Knot while they hit you back. To handle Scizor, Magnezone may be used in order to trap it while Scizor Pursuits Celebi. They each resist each other's weaknesses except for Fire. A Rotom appliance may also be used to handle Scizor, as it is resistant to both U-turn and Bullet Punch. Rotom-H is the best choice in order to scorch Scizor with Overheat, although any Rotom appliance with Will-O-Wisp will suffice. As for Tyranitar, Swampert can freely switch into any of its attacks and wall Tyranitar. It can also set up Stealth Rock. Machamp can switch in easily on Crunch and Pursuit and set up a Substitute to begin wreaking havoc. Scizor can use its Steel-typing to resist Crunch and Pursuit and use U-turn or Bullet Punch to scare Tyranitar away.</p>

<p>Celebi also has additional problems with Heatran, Salamence, and Rotom-A. Heatran and Salamence can be taken care of by predicting with Earth Power and Hidden Power Ice, but in the case where you cannot, additional Pokemon are needed. A bulky Water-type Pokemon, such as Suicune, Vaporeon, or Swampert, can handle Heatran. Salamence is a bit more difficult to handle. Scizor can revenge kill it well, while Latias can switch into any non-Dragon-type move, outspeed Salamence, and KO it with Dragon Pulse or Draco Meteor. Rotom-A is more complicated, as it can beat several of its counters. However, Choice Scarf Tyranitar can handle Rotom-A without Will-O-Wisp and has the added benefit of not caring about Trick, while Blissey can come in and wall Rotom-A all day.</p>

[SET]
name: Tinkerbell
move 1: Thunder Wave
move 2: Leaf Storm
move 3: Hidden Power Fire / Psychic / U-turn
move 4: Rest / Recover
item: Life Orb
nature: Modest
evs: 232 HP / 244 SpA / 32 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
<p>While the previous set focused solely on Celebi's defensive capabilities, it also can use both an offensive and defensive set in one. This set is for those that don't want Celebi to be a sitting duck but don't want to sacrifice support capabilities either.</p>

<p>Thunder Wave is the only support move on this set and for good reason. By slowing down your opponent's Pokemon, you debilitate your opponent's team unless he has a cleric on his team. Leaf Storm is for sheer power, being able to OHKO Max HP / Min SpD Tyranitar with Stealth Rock up. Hidden Power Fire is for Scizor, who often switches in on Celebi. A combination of Leaf Storm, Hidden Power Fire, and one turn of Stealth Rock is enough to KO Scizor. Psychic can be used for a dual-STAB moveset, hitting other threats neutrally without having the Special Attack drop. U-turn allows you to scout your opponent's team, hit Latias, as well as clear up any Special Attack drops from Leaf Storm. Rest along with Natural Cure can fully heal Celebi's health, while Recover is there if one wants to stay in longer without being forced to switch out.</p>

[Additional Comments]
<p>The EVs of this set allow you to outspeed non-Choice Scarf Jolly Tyranitar (namely Dragon Dance Tyranitar) so you can kill it before it begins to set up. It also lets Celebi take the minimum damage from Life Orb while having the highest possible HP.</p>

<p>Due to the more offensive capabilities of this Celebi (removed 'set'), Scizor, Tyranitar, and Rotom-A aren't as difficult to check. Nevertheless, Pokemon from the previous set are still viable in order to support Celebi. Unfortunately, Heatran and Salamence are still problems but can fortunately be handled by the previously mentioned Pokemon.</p>

[SET]
name: Life Orb
move 1: Leaf Storm
move 2: Hidden Power Fire / Hidden Power Ice
move 3: Earth Power / U-turn
move 4: Rest / Recover
item: Life Orb
nature: Timid
evs: 32 HP / 252 SpA / 224 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
<p>Taking an even more offensive role for Celebi, this set attempts to maximize Celebi's offensive capabilities without the use of a Choice item or a stat boosting move. The wide coverage supplied by Celebi's moves allow its many checks to be thoroughly surprised. This set can be comparable to Shaymin's set, except it features a stronger initial move in Leaf Storm and the ability to use U-turn and Recover.</p>

<p>Although this set doesn't use a positive Special Attack nature, Leaf Storm still does similar damage to Tyranitar and Rotom-H. Similarly, Scizor will no longer be reliably KOed by Leaf Storm, Hidden Power Fire, and Stealth Rock damage without a little bit more residual damage. However, this set may employ the use of Hidden Power Ice in order to hit Salamence switch-ins. Beware of Scizor should you choose to use Hidden Power Ice instead of Hidden Power Fire. Earth Power strikes Heatran and Metagross, but can't OHKO/2HKO them without a bit of residual damage beforehand. However, with the additional Speed, it can outspeed all non-Choice Scarf variants. U-turn is there to hit Latias hard even with the negative Attack nature, as well as for scouting your opponent's team.</p>

[Additional Comments]
<p>Due to the 30 Speed IV needed for Hidden Power Fire, only 224 Speed is run on this Celebi. This allows it to outspeed all Pokemon that attempt to beat positive base 95s by one point, such as Timid 188 Speed Rotom-A. 32 HP also gives you a Life Orb number, allowing Celebi to have the maximum HP possible while taking the least damage. If you were to use Hidden Power Ice, feel free to go with a 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe spread in order to Speed tie with other positive natured Salamence and potentially KO them with Hidden Power Ice.</p>

<p>With an offensive mindset, this Celebi wouldn't need as many defensive Pokemon in order to support it. The aforementioned Pokemon in the previous sets still help though. However, more offensive Pokemon may also be used now that their threats are cleared out of the way. With Scizor gone, Dragon Dance Tyranitar and Salamence are free to sweep more easily without fear of being revenge killed. With Rotom-A and Heatran gone, Swords Dance Scizor and Lucario won't have to worry about being outsped and being killed. All four have a way of helping out Celebi defensively as well. Tyranitar, Scizor, and Lucario all resist Celebi's Dark- and Ghost-type weaknesses, while Salamence resists Fire- and Bug-types along with having Intimidate to make Crunch and Pursuit less dangerous.</p>

[SET]
name: Lead
move 1: Stealth Rock
move 2: Leaf Storm
move 3: Earth Power
move 4: U-turn / Hidden Power Ice
item: Occa Berry / Leftovers
ability: Natural Cure
nature: Timid
evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
<p>Celebi can also perform as a good lead due to its movepool and access to Stealth Rock. Stealth Rock is Celebi's best option for supporting the team in a lead position. (removed the line about sr damaging pokemon when they switch in) Leaf Storm handles such Pokemon as Swampert, Aerodactyl, Tyranitar, and Gliscor, while Earth Power 2HKOes both Metagross and Heatran. U-turn provides momentum for your team and helps out with Azelf leads. It can also cause more Stealth Rock damage because your opponent will have to switch in a new Pokemon to handle yours. Hidden Power Ice allows you to 2HKO Dragonite leads and OHKO Salamence switch-ins.</p>

[Additional Comments]
<p>Hidden Power Fire may also be used in the last slot to hit Scizor, Forretress, and Skarmory, although Celebi can't OHKO any of them. U-turn still allows Celebi to switch out of Scizor and switch in an appropriate check.</p>

<p>The choice between Occa Berry and Leftovers depends on whether you want to set up Stealth Rock against Infernape leads and beat Heatran and Dragonite leads or if you want to heal off damage taken. Celebi's bulk allows it to come back later on in game, making Leftovers a viable option.</p>

<p>With the recommended movesets, Skarmory and Forretress can freely switch in and begin setting up their own entry hazards. Therefore, a Pokemon with Rapid Spin is appreciated to help remove them. Starmie is a great partner to Celebi, as it resists Fire-type moves and can immediately threaten the two Pokemon with a STAB Surf or Hydro Pump. Rotom-H also makes for a viable partner due to its ability to scare away the two aforementioned Pokemon along with Scizor. It can also block Rapid Spin from removing Stealth Rock.<p>

<p>With U-turn, a Pokemon is needed to help take care of Azelf. Scizor is a great choice due to its powerful Bullet Punch. However, U-turn also allows Dragonite and Salamence to be a huge threat to your team. Suicune can help take care of both of them with Ice Beam and also resists Fire-type moves. Latias can switch in on non-super effective moves and threaten them (removed 'out') with her STAB moves, while Scizor and Mamoswine can revenge kill both of them. However, both are weak to Fire-type attacks like Celebi. Should Hidden Power Ice be used, then Azelf leads will need to be taken care of. Rotom-A can hit Azelf with a Shadow Ball and its Ghost-typing grants it an immunity to Explosion.</p>

And an added bonus (1k post hidden inside):
Note: You don't need to grammar check this next part lol. Also please don't clutter the thread or else the mods will be on your ass. PM or VM me if I forgot about you.

For those who managed to drag on through the analysis (lol), you might notice that I've recently hit 1k. Thus, this thread also doubles as my 1k post.

Basically, I'd like to thank you all for being with me while I tredge through my time here. We've all had our ups and downs, but it's been a great time I've had.

There have been lots of events that occurred. I'm pretty sure we all remember April Fools 2009. Boy was that a fun time. Of course, there were the people that left, such as jrrrr, Doomsday, and Hazerider. A bunch of good users have left also, such as Erodent, LR, SoT, and a bunch others. It's sad to see such fine people go, but hopefully they'll come back to visit. I know SoT was here a little while ago, so it's good to see them come back.

And as always, the mentions. These are in no particular order.

jumpluff: <3 Such a cute user. I regret not knowing you sooner, as it's been a blast together. Don't ever change.

Joel: Hah... Joel. Good times. Hopefully you're grow taller (maybe 5'3" eventually?). More Pokemon Sunday please. You should come visit America some time, it's much better than England. Oh, and bring your sister along also ;)

Colonel_M: /me slaps Colonel_M around a bit with a large trout
Repeat that about 10 times daily and that's our relationship. Anyway, you're a nice guy, although you need to get out more. Get a girlfriend already!

Jimbo: [20:14:16] <%Jimbo> supermarth mention me as your sat discusser
[20:14:19] <%Jimbo> partner... person
[20:14:51] <+supermarth64> lol
Happy? Expect me, Joel, drcossack, and random other #starkers to crash your prom eventually. Oh and lose some weight :P

drcossack: Lol you must be happy that I introduced you to Smogon and told you how to get IRC working or else you would be bored out of your mind. Go kick some ass at VGC.

reachzero: Wait a white person that speaks Chinese? What is this? In any case, I hope you well in your trip to China. Don't get kidnapped or arrested for preaching :P. Oh and hook me up with some of your Asian friends in NY, everyone here knows I play Pokemon.

Pory- I mean Gen. Empoleon: [20:21:00] <&Porygon> oh supermarth64 the dreaded "I hope I don't forget anyone" 1Kitice
Lol I doubt that anyone that saw your 1k thread will forget it. Obvioustly this fails in comparison because boobs > analyses. You should start writing more instead of being a lazy bum.

Theorymon: Keep those random sets and analyses coming. I expect nothing but long analyses from you. Might I recommend NU to you: it includes such strong Pokemon like Magmortar in order to rip apart the whole tier.

RBG: Happy belated birthday! Lol without you, I probably wouldn't have gotten badged :). Thanks for that. And if you want, you can give me a few byes in the HGSS tourney :P.

Dubulous: I swear we'll be in a mafia game together where we're on the same team. Of course, if I'm vigilante, I'll kill you then anyway.

Heysup: Hey, sup? Expect me to ask you for more calc help lol.

Vader: The guy with the Porygon avatar. And mods. Sorry, that's all I remember!

whistle: Woojunior lol. There was something else... but I can't remember what it was.

dragonfe & TDS: Grouped you guys together because you're both Robotics people. Hopefully I'll go to some competitions next year and see you both. Just don't leave Smogon before then :).

Fuzznip: Fuzzy nipples.

SDS: Which of the seven deadly sins have you committed today? Also please don't infract me for doing this here :(. CM said that it was ok.

mtr: Ok happy I didn't forget about you.

Jibaku: Jibbles :D. Strong jibbles, beating zak91. I should get to know you better.

Metanite: Costco run eventually? Or just meet up eventually.

DJX09: See I told you I would mention you also.

TheFourthChaser: Apparetly I talk to you on #stark. Why do I not remember this?

macle: moocle.

joshe: jashe jeshe jishe joshe jushe and sometimes jyshe.

reyscarface: Stop tilting. Also play more CoD.

vashta: Lol sorry for not mentioning you until this far below, you weren't on IRC when I started this so I forgot about you. Anyway, good job with the TRW and everything that you've done for it. Just rate some more and maybe you'll get the Team Rater badge.

Bloo: Bloo/Blue, so fresh. I'd like to buy a bottle.

Setsuna: Bloo said I could buy you for a night. Get over here already.

Haunter: You're losing your speed. You must deevolve into Gastly because according to the Pokeathlon, Gastlys are faster than Haunters.

Eo: Too bad you can't spend more time in C&C, otherwise the UU backup might not exist.

ete: Thanks for all the minor things you did onsite. Sometimes I wonder what you do IRL when you're not doing that.

j. franky: An Asian that hangs out with black people... what?

Snorlaxe: Yea... rating. Lol. C&C now I see. Stop doing so much in life and get back to Smogon more often.

locopoke: Official troll of #stark.

sprinkles: Lol sprinkles.

Mekkah: Mekkah so strong. FE Mafia 2 better be good.

Synre: I miss tofu. I mean Teifu.

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#capers: Interesting group of people. I would love to join but I don't have enough time to.

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#lcers: One day we shall spread over to Smogon's main servers, aka sometime after SB2 becomes released.

#ratemyteamers: It's a tough job rating teams. Most of us stop because it gets boring after a while. It's understandable. Just keep up the good work.

#smogon: I'm so non-interested in this place...

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#starkers: Hah... #stark. So many things go on here.

#ubers: Lol this place DIED.

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Random channels I pop up in: Maybe I'll pop up more often.

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i probably missed some stuff, grats on the big one thousand
 

jc104

Humblest person ever
is a Top Contributor Alumnus
Just wondering - do you think there is any way of reducing the number of sets, since at the moment there are 14, discounting the uber set? Updating them all to our current standard will make the analysis truly unbearable.
Celebi was great in the Advance generation, but its standings have faltered due to the additional treats that its adversaries have acquired. Its whopping seven weaknesses really cause Celebi to suffer. This problem is amplified by the fact that many of its adversaries wield those types of moves, such as Scizor, Tyranitar, Salamence, Heatran, and Rotom-H. Trick can also put a damper on Celebi's defensive actions, locking it into only one move. Nevertheless, Celebi itself has gotten many moves to arsenal (I don’t think there is a verb “to arsenal” if that is what you meant. I would suggest “ Celebi has received many new moves with which to defend itself” or something) in order to defend itself. Thunder Wave, Leaf Storm, U-turn, Grass Knot, and even Trick itself helps to keep away potential enemies. It also boasts resistances to six types, allowing Celebi to easily switch in and support the team.</p>
p>Celebi also has additional problems with Heatran, Salamence, and Rotom-A. Heatran and Salamence can be taken care of by predicting the switch-in and using Earth Power or Hidden Power Ice, but in the case where you cannot, additional Pokemon are needed. A bulky Water-type Pokemon, such as Suicune, Vaporeon, or Swampert, can handle Heatran. Salamence is a bit more difficult to handle. Scizor can revenge kill it well, while Latias can switch into any non-Dragon-type move, outspeed Salamence, and KO it with Dragon Pulse or Draco Meteor. Rotom-A is more complicated, as it can beat several of its counters. However, Choice Scarf Tyranitar can handle Rotom-A without Will-O-Wisp and has the added benefit of not caring about Trick, while Blissey can come in and wall Rotom-A all day.</p>
I think this might have to be changed too, in the name of political correctness
Thunder Wave is the only support move on this set and for good reason. By slowing down your opponent's Pokemon, you debilitate your opponent's team unless he has a cleric on his team
Though most battlers are male, it cannot be assumed

Congratulations on the 1K.

@Thorns - the standard is that we must use the oxford (or serial) comma. And I'm fairly sure that when sm64 wrote treats, he meant treats!
 
congrats on 1k post.

since your doing a full revamp, i would keep perish song celebi in the analysis. its not used much nowadays but still works great especially with new prevalent threats like cm wish jirachi that are somewhat hard to counter.

i would also slash in Stealth rocks to the defensive set like it was in the old analysis (or atleast mentioned idr) because celebi is still a pretty efficient stealthrocker even not in the lead position.
 

Snorlaxe

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is a Top Contributor Alumnus
Happy 1k, and thanks for the mention (though why was I not further up on the list?)! :)

[Overview]
<p>Celebi was great in the Advance generation, but its standings have faltered due to the additional treats that its adversaries have acquired. Its whopping seven weaknesses really cause Celebi to suffer. This problem is amplified by the fact that many of its adversaries wield those types of moves, such as Scizor, Tyranitar, Salamence, Heatran, and Rotom-H. Trick can also put a damper on Celebi's defensive actions, locking it into only one move. Nevertheless, Celebi itself has gotten many moves in its arsenal in order to defend itself. Thunder Wave, Leaf Storm, U-turn, Grass Knot, and even Trick itself helps to keep away potential enemies. It also boasts resistances to six types, allowing Celebi to easily switch in and support the team.</p>

[SET]
name: Defensive
move 1: Thunder Wave / Leech Seed / Reflect
move 2: Grass Knot
move 3: Recover
move 4: Hidden Power Fire / Earth Power / Hidden Power Ice
item: Leftovers
nature: Bold
evs: 252 HP / 220 Def / 36 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
<p>Celebi's solid defensive stats, typing, and movepool allow it to be an excellent defensive Pokemon. With the ability to cripple the opposing team or support yours, it functions as a good switch-in to several threats.</p>

<p>Thunder Wave allows Celebi to paralyze the opposing Pokemon and potentially use Recover before it hits. Leech Seed may be used to steadily drain away the opponent's health, and can also be used to heal your teammates. Reflect provides the best defensive boost, allowing Celebi to survive Tyranitar and Scizor's super effective attacks better. Grass Knot functions as your STAB source, hitting Tyranitar along with bulky Water-type Pokemon. Recover heals off any potential damage that Celebi might have taken. The last moveslot is for coverage: Hidden Power Fire is mainly for Scizor, who can come in and U-turn out without any threat. Earth Power and Hidden Power Ice function similarly for Heatran and Salamence respectively, but you have to predict the switch-in as Celebi will be outsped.</p>

[Additional Comments]
<p>Light Screen can be used in the first moveslot if your team has difficulty handling special attacks. The EVs of this set allow for maximum physical bulk while outspeeding Jolly non-Choice Scarf Tyranitar.</p>

<p>Celebi's two biggest problems are Scizor and Tyranitar. The best that it can do is hit Scizor hard with Hidden Power Fire or 2HKO Tyranitar with Grass Knot while they hit you back. To handle Scizor, Magnezone may be used in order to trap it while Scizor Pursuits Celebi. They each resist each other's weaknesses except for Fire. A Rotom appliance may also be used to handle Scizor, as it resists both U-turn and Bullet Punch. Rotom-H is the best choice in order to scorch Scizor with Overheat, although any Rotom with Will-O-Wisp will suffice. As for Tyranitar, Swampert can freely switch into any of its attacks and wall Tyranitar. It can also set up Stealth Rock. Machamp can switch in easily on Crunch and Pursuit and set up a Substitute to begin wreaking havoc. Scizor can use its Steel-typing to come in on Crunch and Pursuit and use U-turn or Bullet Punch to scare Tyranitar away.</p>

<p>Celebi also has additional problems with Heatran, Salamence, and Rotom-A. Heatran and Salamence can be taken care of by predicting with Earth Power and Hidden Power Ice, but in case it cannot, additional Pokemon are needed. A bulky Water-type Pokemon, such as Suicune, Vaporeon, or Swampert, can handle Heatran. Salamence is a bit more difficult to handle. Scizor can revenge kill it well, while Latias can switch into any non-Dragon-type move, outspeed Salamence, and KO it with Dragon Pulse or Draco Meteor. Rotom-A is more complicated, as it can beat several of its counters. However, Choice Scarf Tyranitar can handle Rotom-A without Will-O-Wisp and has the added benefit of not caring about Trick, while Blissey can come in and wall Rotom-A all day. [yeah but she's not going to wanna take a Trick, maybe mention that?]</p>

[SET]
name: Tinkerbell
move 1: Thunder Wave
move 2: Leaf Storm
move 3: Hidden Power Fire / Psychic / U-turn
move 4: Rest / Recover
item: Life Orb
nature: Modest
evs: 232 HP / 244 SpA / 32 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
<p>While the previous set focuses solely on Celebi's defensive capabilities, it also can use both an offensive and defensive set in one. This set is for those that don't want Celebi to be a sitting duck but don't want to sacrifice support capabilities either.</p>

<p>Thunder Wave is the only support move on this set and for good reason. By slowing down your opponent's Pokemon, you debilitate your opponent's team unless they have a cleric on their team. Leaf Storm is for sheer power, being able to OHKO max HP / min SpD Tyranitar with Stealth Rock up. Hidden Power Fire is for those Scizors who like to switch in. A combination of Leaf Storm, Hidden Power Fire, and one turn of Stealth Rock is enough to KO Scizor. Psychic can be used for a dual-STAB moveset, hitting other threats neutrally without having the Special Attack drop. U-turn allows you to scout your opponent's team, hit Latias, as well as clear up any Special Attack drops from Leaf Storm. Rest along with Natural Cure can fully heal Celebi's health, while Recover is there if one wants to stay in longer without being forced to switch out.</p>

[Additional Comments]
<p>The EVs of this set allow you to outspeed non-Choice Scarf Jolly Tyranitar (namely Dragon Dance Tyranitar) so you can kill it before it begins to set up. It also lets Celebi take minimum damage from Life Orb while having the highest possible HP.</p>

<p>Due to the more offensive capabilities of this Celebi set, Scizor, Tyranitar, and Rotom-A aren't as difficult to check. Nevertheless, Pokemon from the previous set are still viable in order to support Celebi. Unfortunately, Heatran and Salamence are still problems, but fortunately can be handled by the previously mentioned Pokemon.</p>

[SET]
name: Life Orb
move 1: Leaf Storm
move 2: Hidden Power Fire / Hidden Power Ice
move 3: Earth Power / U-turn
move 4: Rest / Recover
item: Life Orb
nature: Timid
evs: 32 HP / 252 SpA / 224 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
<p>Taking an even more offensive role for Celebi, this set attempts to maximize Celebi's offensive capabilities without the use of a Choice item or a stat boosting move. The wide coverage supplied by Celebi's moves allow its many checks to be thoroughly surprised. This set can be comparable to Shaymin's set, except it features a stronger initial move in Leaf Storm and the ability to use U-turn and Recover.</p>

<p>Although this set doesn't use a positive Special Attack nature, Leaf Storm still does similar damage to Tyranitar and Rotom-H. Similarly, Scizor will no longer be reliably KOed by Leaf Storm, Hidden Power Fire, and Stealth Rock damage without a little bit more residual damage. However, this set may employ the use of Hidden Power Ice in order to hit Salamence switch-ins. Be aware of Scizor should you choose to use Hidden Power Ice instead of Hidden Power Fire. Earth Power strikes Heatran and Metagross, but can't OHKO/2HKO them without a bit of residual damage beforehand. However, with the additional Speed, it can outspeed all non-Choice Scarf variants. U-turn is there to hit Latias hard even with the negative Attack nature, as well as for scouting your opponent's team.</p>

[Additional Comments]
<p>Due to the 30 Speed IV needed for Hidden Power Fire, only 224 Speed is run on this Celebi. This allows it to outspeed all Pokemon that attempt to beat positive base 95s by one point, such as Timid 188 Speed Rotom-A. 32 HP also gives you a Life Orb number, allowing Celebi to have the maximum HP possible while taking the least damage. If you were to use Hidden Power Ice, feel free to go with a 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe spread in order to Speed tie with other positive natured Salamence and potentially KO them with Hidden Power Ice.</p>

<p>With an offensive mindset, this Celebi wouldn't need as many defensive Pokemon in order to support it. The aforementioned Pokemon in the previous sets still help though. However, more offensive Pokemon may also be used now that their checks are cleared out of the way. With Scizor gone, Dragon Dance Tyranitar and Salamence are free to sweep more easily without fear of being revenge killed. With Rotom-A and Heatran gone, Swords Dance Scizor and Lucario won't have to worry about being outsped and being killed. All four have a way of helping out Celebi defensively also. Tyranitar, Scizor, and Lucario all resist Celebi's Dark- and Ghost-type weaknesses, while Salamence resists Fire- and Bug-type moves along with having Intimidate to make Crunch and Pursuit less dangerous.</p>

[SET]
name: Lead
move 1: Stealth Rock
move 2: Leaf Storm
move 3: Earth Power
move 4: U-turn / Hidden Power Ice
item: Occa Berry / Leftovers
ability: Natural Cure
nature: Timid
evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
<p>Celebi can also perform as a good lead due to its movepool and access to Stealth Rock. Stealth Rock damages your opponent every time they switch in a Pokemon. Leaf Storm handles such Pokemon as Swampert, Aerodactyl, Tyranitar, and Gliscor, while Earth Power 2HKOes both Metagross and Heatran. U-turn provides momentum for your team and helps out against Azelf leads. It can also cause more Stealth Rock damage because your opponent will have to switch in a new Pokemon to handle yours. Hidden Power Ice allows you to 2HKO Dragonite leads and OHKO Salamence switch-ins.</p>

[Additional Comments]
<p>Hidden Power Fire may also be used in the last slot to hit Scizor, Forretress, and Skarmory, although Celebi can't OHKO any of them. U-turn still allows Celebi to switch out of Scizor and go to an appropriate check.</p>

<p>The choice between Occa Berry and Leftovers depends on whether you want to set up Stealth Rock against Infernape leads, beat Heatran and Dragonite leads, or heal off damage taken. Celebi's bulk allows it to come back later on in game, making Leftovers a viable option.</p>

<p>With the recommended movesets, Skarmory and Forretress can freely switch in and begin setting up their own entry hazards. Therefore, a Pokemon with Rapid Spin is appreciated to help remove them. Starmie is a great partner to Celebi, as it resists Fire-type moves and can immediately threaten the two Pokemon with a STAB Surf or Hydro Pump. Rotom-H also makes for a viable partner due to its ability to scare away the two aforementioned Pokemon along with Scizor. It can also block Rapid Spin from removing Stealth Rock.<p>

<p>With U-turn, a Pokemon is needed to help take care of Azelf. Scizor is a great choice due to its Bullet Punch. However, U-turn also allows Dragonite and Salamence to be a huge threat to your team. Suicune can help take care of both of them with Ice Beam and a resistance to Fire-type moves. Latias can switch in on non-super effective moves and threaten them out with her STAB moves, while Scizor and Mamoswine can revenge kill both of them but are both weak to Fire-type attacks. Should Hidden Power Ice be used, then Azelf leads still need to be taken care of. Rotom-A can hit Azelf with a Shadow Ball and its Ghost-typing allows it to be immune to Explosion.</p>
 

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5 more sets (Baton Pass downwards), made Snorlaxe's changes, still have to do Subseed (more testing), along with maybe offensive CM (a lot more testing).
 

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I would suggest maybe using HP Fire over HP Ice on the Lead set. I do find a lot of Scizor's switching in expecting Leaf Storm / Earth Power/ Stealth Rock / U -Turn, so HP Fire has been working well enough that I think it should be mentioned. Even Thunderwave could get a mention since Thunder Wave + Leaf Storm hit everything for at least some damage, and paired with U-Turn can really abuse status. For the Lead EV's could I also suggest 216 Speed EV's in order to outrun 252 Jolly Gliscor, 96 Sp. Attack to ensure that you get a 2hko on Tyranitar, and then pour the extra 196 into HP for added bulk. I've been using this set a lot so just a couple nit picks, I'm trying to run a Calm Mind Celebi set as well so I'll post when I have results if you'd like.
 
I just wanted to let you know that I will be doing QC for Celebi this round, so be sure to check the QC thread within the next week or so for any Celebi tweaks/deletes/updates. I'll try to let you know on IRC when I'm done testing things.
 

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Ok this is back in QC because this started before QC subforum came, so it needs the checks.

Anyway, I just typed this all out because I didn't feel like doing skeletons.
 
I just skimmed this, but Recover is the better option and far more often seen, so it should be slashed before Rest on offense in my opinion. Maybe even before Thunder Wave, especially for the LO users.
 
Where's this set?

[SET]
name: Offensive Booster
move 1: Calm Mind
move 2: Psychic
move 3: Grass Knot
move 4: Hidden Power Fire / Earth Power
item: Life Orb
nature: Timid
evs: 32 HP / 252 SpA / 224 Spe

This set is pretty ridiculous
 

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I think the "Offensive"-Set is clearly overshadowed by Shaymins' offensive Sets, so i suggest to put it below all other sets or even remove it.

Shaymin get the better Grass-move, the same other moves apart from Recover (and Rest with Natural Cure isnt bad) and isnt Pursuit-Weak like Celebi.....

If anyone wants to use an offensive special attacking Grasstype he should be using Shaymin and we shouldnt guide him in the wrong direction with an "Offensive"-Set of Celebi.

Maybe replace the offensive Celebi-Set with RL's Offensive CM-Set, which differiates Celebi offensively from Shaymin a bit.

Oh and run 252 Speed-EV's on any offensive Set (without T-Wave) you want to have the chance to tie with some other Base100-Pokes like Jirachi (E-Belt), Salamence (Mixmence), Flygon (CB/Mixed), etc. pp..

The 32-HP-EV's for an extra round of attacking with LO isnt worth to give up some important speedties (sometimes a sole speedtie decides a game).
 
Celebi has a huge move pool and many viable sets, which gives it a bit of unpredictability yet it totally isn't (see Infernape). It also doesn't have to rely on a low PP, 85% accuracy ability to hurt things either (Seed Flare has a 40% chance to lower Special Defense by two stages however).

But of course, with 7 weaknesses and no reliable way to recover health, Celebi will be worn down quickly.

The thing about 3 attack Celebi is that Heatran resists every move and can come in on HP Fire, Empoleon laughs at the attacks Celebi throws at it, and even Azelf with its paper defenses laughs at Celebi!


Shaymin however can run HP Ice better than Celebi. The Sp.Def drops earned with Seed Flare will allow you to 2HKO many Pokemon (even those who resist it), affording you a chance to Speed tie base 100 Speed Pokemon.

Blah blah blah
 
If anyone wants to use an offensive special attacking Grasstype he should be using Shaymin and we shouldnt guide him in the wrong direction with an "Offensive"-Set of Celebi.
Not necessarily. Celebi and Shaymin are different. Celebi has access to recover and gets a few more opportunties to swtich in (fighting moves!)

The thing about 3 attack Celebi is that Heatran resists every move and can come in on HP Fire, Empoleon laughs at the attacks Celebi throws at it, and even Azelf with its paper defenses laughs at Celebi!
What? Empoleon and Azelf don't like Life Orbed Leafstorm do they?

Oh and run 252 Speed-EV's on any offensive Set (without T-Wave) you want to have the chance to tie with some other Base100-Pokes like Jirachi (E-Belt), Salamence (Mixmence), Flygon (CB/Mixed), etc. pp..
they don't because HP Fire defeats the purpose because you cant tie.
 

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Hm, on the lead set, I suggest placing 216 Speed EVs, as no common lead has base 100 speed, other than Jirachi who is usually found wearing a choice scarf.

This should be the final EV spread:
Timid
40 HP/252 SpA/216 Spe
 

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pluff: Ok sure.

RL: After a bit of testing (didn't think of doing it the Superachi way, I tested it with the Growth Shaymin moveset), it was good enough to be in the analysis but not near the top.

Conflict: I actually moved Offensive down a bit because the Lead set isn't getting enough love and is fairly reliable and Celebi's one of the rare Pokemon that can BP CM and SD. Offensive shouldn't be ignored though because of Recover, U-turn, and Thunder Wave.

Super Mario Bro: Ok. Made a small note in AC for max/max.

Sorry about the small delay. This can be finished QCing now.
 

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In the first set under additional comments, why would Scizor ever pursuit Celebi? U-turn would always be the superior option as not only do you screw Celebi over if it stay in, but it also provides Scizor with the upper hand even if you switch. With the current Evs (on the first set once again) it is also impossible for Celebi to take down Scizor with one shot, even after SR, this should be mentioned in the additional comments. Also all mentions of Latias need to be removed.
 

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Welcome to OU -- ready for proofreading. On a side note, the special bonus needs more comments of bojangles and I, IMO.
 
[SET]
name: Offensive CM
move 1: Calm Mind
move 2: Grass Knot
move 3: Psychic
move 4: Hidden Power Fire / Earth Power
item: Leftovers / Life Orb
nature: Timid
evs: 32 HP / 252 SpA / 224 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
<p>Celebi can also use a simple boosting set in order to sweep the opponent's team. It can Calm Mind as the opponent switches out and attack with its three coverage moves. Grass Knot is used to hit bulky Water-type Pokemon along with Tyranitar while Psychic can hit enemies like Salamence, Rotom-A, and Infernape. Hidden Power Fire rounds out the set by allowing Celebi to hit Steel-type Pokemon like Skarmory and Scizor, but leaves Celebi to be walled by Heatran. Earth Power can be used for this reason and also hits Metagross harder, but leaves Celebi walled by Scizor and Skarmory.</p>

<p>Leftovers is the suggested item as Celebi needs the survivability to be able to take a hit and retaliate. However, Life Orb can also be used should you choose to make Celebi's moves hit a bit harder.</p>
Scizor doesn't wall it with Earth Power... takes 56% min at +1. Not good enough for the OHKO but Scizor is usually weakened by lategame.

Also.. Leftovers shouldn't even be an option. If your going with Calm Mind and 3 attacks you should use Life Orb because its already sweep 1st and ask questions later. If you want Leftovers... just use Calm Mind + 2 Attacks + Recover.

Due to the 30 Speed IV needed for Hidden Power Fire, only 224 Speed is run on this Celebi. This allows it to outspeed positive base 95s such as Gliscor. 32 HP also gives you a Life Orb number, allowing Celebi to have the maximum HP possible while taking the least Life Orb damage. If you were to use Hidden Power Ice [Earth Power], feel free to go with a 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe spread in order to Speed tie with other positive natured Salamence and potentially KO them with Hidden Power Ice.
Switch HP Ice to Earth Power. A +1 LO Psychic does 97% minimum to Naive Salamence. Also edited the one inaccurate statement.
 

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Finally, someone has the guts to edit Celebi's seizure-inducing analysis. :toast:

No Team Options? I think Celebi, with its 4-moveslot syndrome, needs one. Or maybe I'm just blind, lol.

Okay, onto editing...Just a few nitpicks here and there due to some preferences and nicks. I also merged a few sentences and suggested a few changes. I also have an issue with the person-position, so I edited those.

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<p>Celebi was effective (a bit of an underwhelming adjective for a Pokemon that's going to be read on) in the Advance generation, but its standings have faltered due to the additional threats that its adversaries have acquired. Its whopping seven weaknesses really caused it to suffer. This problem is amplified by the fact that many of its checks can pick on Celebi's weaknesses, such as Scizor, Tyranitar, Salamence, Heatran, and Rotom-H. Trick can also put a damper on Celebi's defensive actions, locking it into only one move. Nevertheless, Celebi itself has acquired many new moves in its arsenal in order to defend itself. Thunder Wave, Leaf Storm, U-turn, Grass Knot, and even Trick itself helps to keep away potential enemies. It also boasts resistances to six types, allowing Celebi to easily switch in and support the team.</p>

[SET]
name: Defensive
move 1: Thunder Wave / Leech Seed / Heal Bell
move 2: Grass Knot
move 3: Recover
move 4: Hidden Power Fire / Earth Power / Hidden Power Ice
item: Leftovers
nature: Bold
evs: 252 HP / 220 Def / 36 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
<p>Celebi's solid defensive stats, typing, and movepool allow it to be an excellent defensive Pokémon. With the ability to cripple the opposing team or support yours, it functions as a good switch-in to several threats.</p>

<p>Thunder Wave allows Celebi to paralyze the opposing Pokémon and potentially use Recover before it hits. Leech Seed may be used to steadily drain away the opponent's health and can also be used to heal its teammates substantially. Heal Bell can be used to remove any status that your Pokémon may be afflicted with. Grass Knot functions as Celebi's STAB move, hitting Tyranitar along with bulky Water-type Pokémon. Recover heals off any potential damage that Celebi might have taken. The last moveslot is for coverage: Hidden Power Fire is mainly for Scizor, who can come in and U-turn out without any threat. Earth Power and Hidden Power Ice function similarly for Heatran and Salamence respectively, but you have to predict the switch-in as Celebi will be outsped. (I feel you're overusing the word "Use" throughout the analysis. Keep note of that. Also keep note of other overuse.)</p>

[Additional Comments]
<p>Celebi can also use Reflect or Light Screen in the first moveslot can be used in the first moveslot if the team has difficulty handling physical or special attacks. The EVs of this set allow for maximum physical bulk while outspeeding Jolly non-Choice Scarf Tyranitar.</p>

<p>Celebi's two biggest problems are Scizor and Tyranitar. The best that it can do is attack Scizor hard with Hidden Power Fire or 2HKO Tyranitar with Grass Knot before they strike back significantly. To handle Scizor, Magnezone may be used in order to trap it after Scizor Pursuits Celebi. Celebi and Magnezone each resist each other's weaknesses except for Fire. A Rotom appliance may also be used to counter Scizor, as it resists both U-turn and Bullet Punch. Rotom-H is the best choice in order to scorch Scizor with Overheat, while Rotom-W is the best choice against Tyranitar in order to hit it with a Hydro Pump. In effect, any Rotom appliance with Will-O-Wisp can cripple them both. As for Tyranitar, Swampert can freely switch into any of its attacks and wall Tyranitar in addition to setting up Stealth Rock. Machamp can switch in easily on Crunch and Pursuit and set up a Substitute to begin wreaking havoc. Scizor can use its Steel-typing to come in on Crunch and Pursuit and use U-turn or Bullet Punch to scare Tyranitar away.</p>

<p>Celebi also has additional problems with Heatran, Salamence, and Rotom-A. Heatran and Salamence can be taken care of by predicting the switch-in and using Earth Power or Hidden Power Ice, but in case Celebi cannot achieve this, additional Pokémon are needed. A bulky Water-type Pokémon, such as Suicune, Vaporeon, or Swampert, can counter Heatran. Salamence is a bit more difficult to handle. Suicune can sponge Salamence's attacks and beat it with Ice Beam or phaze it out (Suicune with mono Surf isn't the best solution), while Scizor can revenge kill him well. Rotom-A is more complicated, as it can beat several of its counters. However, Choice Scarf Tyranitar can overpower Rotom-A without Will-O-Wisp and has the added benefit of absorbing Trick, while Blissey can switch in and wall Rotom-A all day, but doesn't like a Choice item.</p>

[SET]
name: Tinkerbell
move 1: Thunder Wave
move 2: Leaf Storm
move 3: Hidden Power Fire / Psychic / U-turn
move 4: Recover / Rest
item: Life Orb
nature: Modest
evs: 232 HP / 244 SpA / 32 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
<p>While the previous set focuses solely on Celebi's defensive capabilities, it also can use both an offensive and defensive set in one. This set is for those that don't want Celebi to be a sitting duck but don't want to sacrifice support capabilities either.</p>

<p>Thunder Wave is the only support move on this set and for good reason. By slowing down the opponent's Pokémon, Celebi debilitate the opposing team unless he (I may be wrong here, but not all battlers are male, and therefore this should be edited. Can someone fill me in?) has a cleric on his team. Leaf Storm is for sheer power, being able to OHKO max HP / min SpD Tyranitar with Stealth Rock up in addition to doing a number on those that don't resist it. Hidden Power Fire is for Scizor who likes to switch in on Celebi. A combination of Leaf Storm, Hidden Power Fire, and one turn of Stealth Rock damage is enough to remove Scizor. Psychic can be used for a dual-STAB moveset, hitting other threats neutrally without suffering the Special Attack drop. U-turn allows Celebi to scout the opponent's team and clear up any Special Attack drops from Leaf Storm. Rest along with Natural Cure can fully heal Celebi's health, while Recover is there if one wants to stay in longer without being forced to switch out.</p>

[Additional Comments]
<p>The EVs of this set allow you to outspeed non-Choice Scarf Jolly Tyranitar, namely Dragon Dance Tyranitar so you can kill it before it begins to set up. It also lets Celebi take minimum damage from Life Orb while having the highest possible HP.</p>

<p>Due to the more offensive capabilities of this Celebi set, Scizor, Tyranitar, and Rotom-A aren't as difficult to check. Nevertheless, Pokémon from the previous set are still viable in order to support Celebi. Unfortunately, Heatran and Salamence are still substantial problems, but both can be handled by the previously mentioned Pokémon.</p>

[SET]
name: Lead
move 1: Stealth Rock
move 2: Leaf Storm
move 3: Earth Power
move 4: U-turn / Hidden Power Ice / Hidden Power Fire
item: Occa Berry / Leftovers
ability: Natural Cure
nature: Timid
evs: 40 HP / 252 SpA / 216 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
<p>Celebi can also perform as a good lead due to its movepool and access to Stealth Rock. Stealth Rock is Celebi's best option for supporting the team in a lead position. Leaf Storm handles such Pokémon as Swampert, Aerodactyl, Tyranitar, and Gliscor, while Earth Power 2HKOes both Metagross and Heatran. U-turn provides momentum for your team and helps out against Azelf leads. It can also cause more entry hazard damage because your opponent will have to switch in a new Pokémon to handle yours. Hidden Power Ice allows you to 2HKO Dragonite leads and OHKO Salamence switch-ins. Hidden Power Fire easily annihilates Scizor, Forretress, and Skarmory as they will not freely set up or attack. Note if using Hidden Power Fire, 4 EVs from HP must be moved to Speed to outspeed max Speed Gliscor.</p>

[Additional Comments]
<p>The choice between Occa Berry and Leftovers depends on whether you want to set up Stealth Rock against Infernape leads and beat Heatran and Dragonite leads, or if you want to heal off damage taken. Celebi's bulk allows it to come back later on in game, making Leftovers a viable option. As for the EVs, the given Speed EVs allow Celebi to outspeed Gliscor while the given Special Attack EVs are to hit as hard as possible. The remaining EVs are put into HP for extra bulk. However, a standard spread of 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe can be used if one is paranoid of Trick leads. In fact, by predicting against Trick leads and obtaining the ever common Choice Scarf, it can act as a makeshift revenge killer.</p>


<p>With the recommended movesets, Skarmory and Forretress can freely switch in and begin setting up their own entry hazards unless Celebi employs Hidden Power Fire. Therefore, a Pokémon with Rapid Spin is appreciated to help remove them. Starmie is a great partner to Celebi, as it resists Fire-type moves and can immediately threaten the two Pokémon with a STAB Surf or Hydro Pump. Tentacruel is a more defensive way to handle those two Pokémon and provides the same resistances as Starmie. Rotom-H also makes for a viable partner due to its ability to scare away the two aforementioned Pokémon along with Scizor. It can also block Rapid Spin from removing Stealth Rock. Additionally, lead Tyranitar can be a problem, so a Pokémon like Machamp can help out greatly, resisting Tyranitar's STAB moves and scaring him away.<p>

<p>With U-turn, a Pokémon is needed to help take care of Azelf. Scizor is a great choice due to its powerful Bullet Punch, while Choice Scarf Tyranitar can trap and remove Azelf with Pursuit. However, U-turn also allows Dragonite and Salamence to be a huge threat to your team. Suicune can counter both of them with Ice Beam and a resistance to Fire-type moves. Scizor and Mamoswine can revenge kill both of them, but both of them share a common Fire-type weakness with Celebi. Should Hidden Power Ice be used, then Azelf leads still need to be taken care of. Rotom-A can hit Azelf with a Shadow Ball and its Ghost-typing grants it an immunity to Explosion.</p>

[SET]
name: Baton Pass
move 1: Calm Mind / Swords Dance
move 2: Grass Knot / Seed Bomb
move 3: Baton Pass
move 4: Recover
item: Leftovers
nature: Timid / Jolly
evs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
<p>With Celebi's great bulk and base 100 Speed, it can function as a great Baton Passer. Furthermore, with access to Recover and handy resistances to switch in on, Baton Passing boosts is quite easy.</p>

<p>Celebi has the capability of passing both Calm Mind or Swords Dance boosts. Grass Knot and Seed Bomb provide with a handy attacking move against common Taunters, such as Gliscor and Gyarados. With Baton Pass, you can easily escape from potential threats such as Heatran, Skarmory, and Salamence. Recover allows Celebi to set up against weaker hitting Pokémon and also gives it the capability to Baton Pass several times.</p>

[Additional Comments]
<p>With as many weaknesses as Celebi, it can be hard to find a good partner to Baton Pass it to. Pokémon that are innately fast or Pokémon that can boost their Speed are most viable. Starmie is a good partner to Baton Pass Calm Minds to, as it can both hit hard and have a good Speed stat. Also, Starmie resists Celebi's Fire- and Ice-type weaknesses. Rock Polish Tyranitar is also a good partner to Baton Pass a Swords Dance to, as he resists all of Celebi's weaknesses except for Ice and Bug. Agility Lucario can also be a decent recipient if you can avoid Fire-type moves, as he resists all of Celebi's other weaknesses except Flying.</p>

<p>Celebi is also viable on Baton Pass chains due to its bulk. Vaporeon is a good partner due to his resistance to Fire- and Ice-type moves and can Baton Pass large Substitutes or Acid Armors, while Scizor can Baton Pass Agilities or Iron Defenses. Smeargle is also a good partner due to his vast movepool, allowing it to Baton Pass all sorts of boosts along with Ingrain.</p>

[SET]
name: Offensive
move 1: Leaf Storm
move 2: Hidden Power Fire / Hidden Power Ice
move 3: Earth Power / U-turn
move 4: Recover / Rest / Thunder Wave
item: Life Orb / Leftovers
nature: Timid
evs: 32 HP / 252 SpA / 224 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
<p>Taking an even more offensive role for Celebi, this set attempts to maximize Celebi's offensive capabilities without the use of a Choice item or a stat boosting move. The wide coverage supplied by Celebi's moves allow its many checks to be thoroughly surprised. This set can be comparable to Shaymin's set, except it features a stronger initial move in Leaf Storm and the ability to use U-turn and Recover.</p>

<p>Although this set doesn't use a positive Special Attack nature, Leaf Storm still does similar damage to Tyranitar and Rotom-H. Likewise, Scizor will no longer be reliably KOed by Leaf Storm, Hidden Power Fire, and Stealth Rock damage without a little bit more residual damage. However, this set may employ the use of Hidden Power Ice in order to hit Salamence switch-ins. Beware of Scizor should you choose to use Hidden Power Ice instead of Hidden Power Fire. Earth Power strikes Heatran and Metagross, but can't OHKO/2HKO them without a bit of residual damage beforehand. However, with the additional Speed, it can outspeed all non-Choice Scarf variants. U-turn is there to scout your opponent's team and to remove the Special Attack drops from Leaf Storm. Thunder Wave, even though it's a support move, works well as it can cripple any Choice Scarf Tyranitar or Scizor.</p>

<p>Life Orb is to hit as hard as possible, while both Thunder Wave and Leftovers can help bluff a defensive set, allowing Celebi to strike back hard at the opponent with an unsuspecting move. However, without Life Orb, Scizor cannot be 2HKOed by a combination of Leaf Storm and Hidden Power Fire.</p>

[Additional Comments]
<p>Due to the 30 Speed IV needed for Hidden Power Fire, only 224 Speed is run on this Celebi. This allows it to outspeed all Pokémon that attempt to beat positive base 95s by one point, such as Timid 188 Speed EVs Rotom-A. 32 HP also gives you a Life Orb number, allowing Celebi to have the maximum HP possible while taking the least Life Orb damage. If you were to use Hidden Power Ice, feel free to go with a 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe spread in order to Speed tie with other positive natured Salamence and potentially KO them with Hidden Power Ice.</p>

<p>With an offensive mindset, this Celebi does not require as many defensive Pokémon in order to support it. The aforementioned Pokémon in the previous sets still help though. Additionally, more offensive Pokémon may also be used now that their checks are cleared out of the way. With Scizor gone, Dragon Dance Tyranitar and Salamence are free to sweep more easily without fear of being revenge killed. With Rotom-A and Heatran gone, Swords Dance Scizor and Lucario won't have to worry about being outsped and being killed. All four have a way of helping out Celebi defensively as well. Tyranitar, Scizor, and Lucario all resist Celebi's Dark- and Ghost-type weaknesses, while Salamence resists Fire- and Bug-type moves along with having Intimidate to make Crunch and Pursuit less dangerous.</p>

[SET]
name: Choice Scarf
move 1: Leaf Storm
move 2: Hidden Power Ice
move 3: Earth Power
move 4: Trick / U-turn / Rest
item: Choice Scarf
nature: Timid
evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
<p>With Celebi's vast movepool, it can also be a useful revenge killer. Leaf Storm hits significantly, capable of eliminating Dragon Dance Tyranitar after a bit of residual damage. It also helps out with Suicune before it conjures too many Calm Minds, and can damage Gyarados for a good chunk of damage. Hidden Power Ice is your best choice to hit Salamence, Dragonite, and Flygon, while Earth Power can check Heatran, Infernape, and Metagross. The last moveslot is for utility; Trick can help against Curselax, Crocune, and can cripple Blissey, while U-turn lets Celebi be a useful scout. Rest is another viable option, as Celebi's Natural Cure will rid itself the sleep status.</p>

[Additional Comments]
<p>Although Shaymin may have a better long-term move in Seed Flare, Celebi's Psychic-typing lets it switch into Fighting- and Psychic-type moves and revenge kill unsuspecting opponents. Furthermore, Trick and U-turn also contribute towards Celebi's status as a Choice Scarfer. Celebi can also utilize Choice Specs on this set, however that leaves it to fear a Pursuit from Scizor and Tyranitar even moreso.</p>

<p>Not surprisingly, Scizor, Skarmory, and Forretress can all be problematic to this set, as it doesn't have Hidden Power Fire to hit them with. Magnezone can check all of them, trapping them with its Magnet Pull ability and remove them appropriately. Heatran and Infernape also can scare them away with their STAB Fire-type moves, while Starmie and Tentacruel can Rapid Spin away any entry hazards that Skarmory and Forretress lay down. Scizor and Tyranitar are also problematic seeing as they can Pursuit a fleeing Celebi and potentially remove your revenge killer. The Pokémon mentioned in the previous sets can capitalize on that switch. Finally, Salamence, Dragonite, and Gyarados can still be threats if they come in on the appropriate move. Rotom-A and Vaporeon can handle Gyarados, while Mamoswine and Scizor can revenge kill Salamence and Dragonite. However, you may choose to sacrifice a Pokémon in order to let Celebi revenge kill them instead. (When I read that, I was like, "...What?". It kinda defeats the purpose of teammates.)</p>

[SET]
name: Offensive CM
move 1: Calm Mind
move 2: Grass Knot
move 3: Psychic
move 4: Hidden Power Fire / Earth Power
item: Leftovers / Life Orb
nature: Timid
evs: 32 HP / 252 SpA / 224 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
<p>Celebi can also use a simple boosting set in order to sweep the opponent's team. It can Calm Mind as the opponent switches out and attack with its three coverage moves. Grass Knot is used to hit bulky Water-type Pokemon along with Tyranitar while Psychic strikes enemies like Salamence, Rotom-A, and Infernape. Hidden Power Fire rounds out the set by allowing Celebi to hit Steel-type Pokemon like Skarmory and Scizor, but leaves Celebi to be walled by Heatran. Earth Power can be used for this reason and also hits Metagross harder, but leaves Celebi walled by Scizor and Skarmory.</p>

<p>Leftovers is the suggested item as Celebi needs the survivability to be able to take a hit and retaliate. However, Life Orb can also be used should you choose to make Celebi's moves hit a bit harder.</p>

[Additional Comments]
<p>As mentioned before, Celebi will either be walled by Heatran or by Scizor and Skarmory. No matter which attack you choose, Celebi will also have trouble with Blissey. Therefore, a Heatran of your own with Explosion is a handy partner because it can switch into Fire-type attacks from opposing Heatran and either Earth Power to remove him or use Fire Blast to scorch Scizor and Skarmory. Additionally, with Explosion, Blissey won't be stopping Celebi's sweep any time soon. Heatran also lures in bulky Water-type Pokemon like Swampert and Suicune, which allows Celebi to switch in easily and begin Calm Minding up. Infernape is also a good choice as a partner to sweep all of the above except it is more frail and can't switch into attacks as easily.</p>

<p>Celebi has no way of boosting its speed on this set, which means that it'll often be taking at least one attack from faster enemies such as Infernape, Gengar, Salamence, or Choice Scarf Tyranitar. However, Celebi is bulky enough to take a Fire Blast or Shadow Ball after one Calm Mind. It's still a better idea to remove those problematic Pokemon first. Infernape and Salamence can be handled by Suicune, who can use Surf or Ice Beam to remove the two. (Two Calm Mind users?) Swampert is also a good choice and can also switch into Fire-type moves that Celebi lures in. Gengar can be taken care of by Scizor, who also has good synergy with Celebi. Tyranitar can be removed by Machamp, who also boasts a Dark-type resistance. Finally, Scizor also can help check Choice Scarf Tyaranitar with three of its four moves.</p>

<p>Due to the 30 Speed IV needed for Hidden Power Fire, only 224 Speed is run on this Celebi. This allows it to outspeed all Pokémon that attempt to beat positive base 95s by one point, such as Timid 188 Speed EVs Rotom-A. 32 HP also gives you a Life Orb number, allowing Celebi to have the maximum HP possible while taking the least Life Orb damage. If you were to use Hidden Power Ice, feel free to go with a 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe spread in order to Speed tie with other positive natured Salamence and potentially KO them with Hidden Power Ice.</p>

<p>With an offensive mindset, this Celebi wouldn't need as many defensive Pokémon in order to support it. The aforementioned Pokémon in the previous sets still help though. However, more offensive Pokémon may also be used now that their checks are cleared out of the way. With Scizor gone, Dragon Dance Tyranitar and Salamence are free to sweep more easily without fear of being revenge killed. With Rotom-A and Heatran gone, Swords Dance Scizor and Lucario won't have to worry about being outsped and being killed. All four have a way of helping out Celebi defensively as well. Tyranitar, Scizor, and Lucario all resist Celebi's Dark- and Ghost-type weaknesses, while Salamence resists Fire- and Bug-type moves along with having Intimidate to make Crunch and Pursuit less dangerous.</p>
(You practically copy-pasted the offensive set. You can either remove these paragraphs or revamp them).


[SET]
name: SubSeed
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Leech Seed
move 3: Baton Pass / Recover / Hidden Power Fire / Hidden Power Ice
move 4: Grass Knot
item: Leftovers
nature: Timid
evs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
<p>Being a Grass-type Pokémon means that Celebi has access to both Substitute and Leech Seed, (Um, no it doesn't. Remember the Paras family?)meaning that it can wear down its opponents. The idea is simple: come in on something that can't threaten Celebi, set up a Substitute, and then Leech Seed away. Celebi can also Baton Pass its Substitutes on to a Pokémon that can threaten the opponent's Pokémon. Recover means that Celebi can live for an obnoxiously long time, while Hidden Power Fire and Ice damage the Grass-types that are immune to Leech Seed. Hidden Power Fire also hits Scizor, Forretress, and Skarmory while Hidden Power Ice can deal with Salamence and Dragonite. Grass Knot is to prevent Celebi from being complete Taunt bait as it can hit common Taunters hard.</p>

[Additional Comments]
<p>Celebi as a SubSeeder should be used with an emphasis on its bulk. Furthermore, with Baton Pass, already threatening Pokémon can be that much harder to stop. Many teams rely on either priority or a bulky Pokémon to check Salamence. However, behind a Substitute, Salamence can be even more threatening than it already is. Infernape is also a good choice due to his frailty and strong attacks. With Baton Pass in mind, entry hazards are useful in order to prevent your opponent from checking your team as easily. Forretress and Skarmory are both good partners because they resist Celebi's Ghost-, Dark-, and Bug-type weaknesses. With entry hazards on your side of the field, a Rotom appliance would be a good teammate.</p>

<p>Unfortunately, with Celebi having only Grass Knot to attack with if it's using Recover, many Pokémon can set up on Celebi. Opposing Forretress and Skarmory can lay down entry hazards, which means that a Rapid Spinner of your own would be helpful. Once again, Forretress is a good partner, while Starmie can also suffice due to Recover. Salamence and Dragonite with Roost can set up in front of Celebi, so a Pokémon like Suicune or Swampert can be helpful in taking them out before they set up too much.</p>

[SET]
name: Perish Song
move 1: Perish Song
move 2: Grass Knot
move 3: Recover
move 4: U-turn
item: Leftovers
nature: Bold
EVs: 252 HP / 220 Def / 36 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
<p>Perish Song Celebi is an excellent addition to many stall teams that don't want to rely on Trick in order to handle Crocune or Curselax. It's also a good way to stop Baton Pass teams that lack a Soundproof Pokémon like Mr. Mime. Recover aids with this stalling. U-turn facilitates the escape procedure in case Celebi gets trapped by a Dugtrio during Perish Song and allows the user to switch in a Pokémon after the opponent has chosen his (U-turn occurs after Pokémon switches).(Was that necessary?)</p>

[Additional Comments]
<p>With the stall-oriented idea of Perish Song, it's good to have defensive partners that can help out Celebi. Tentacruel and Blissey can both absorb the Fire- and Ice-type moves aimed towards Celebi, while Skarmory and Forretress shields the Dark- and Bug-type moves directed towards Celebi. Additionally, with Perish Song causing so many switches, Skarmory and Forretress can be helpful also with laying down entry hazards.</p>

[Optional Changes]
<p>Energy Ball may be used over Grass Knot on some sets as it hits the Rotom formes harder along with Pokémon like Vaporeon, although the weaker power against Tyranitar and Suicune can be debilitating. Stealth Rock can be used on the defensive set as well because Celebi can come in and out many times, but generally the moves in the first moveslot are more reliable. Protect can be used to stall for Leftovers and Leech Seed recovery along with scouting against opposing Choiced Scizor and Tyranitar.</p>

<p>Celebi can also set up different field effects. Rain Dance is useful because it removes Celebi's Fire-type weakness and also using Celebi lures in Fire-type moves that Rain Dance sweepers can come in on. Sunny Day can be employed because of Celebi's defenses but isn't as effective due to the common weaknesses Sunny Day abusers share with Celebi. Trick Room can be used on Celebi also due to its bulk. With all three, Celebi can use U-turn to scout for the opponent's switch. Healing Wish can be used on Celebi to fully heal one of your Pokémon, but to lose a defensive Pokémon like Celebi on your team is a shame.</p>

[Counters]
<p>Tyranitar and Scizor are unsurprisingly huge threats to Celebi, as both of them have great Attack stats and pack super effective moves against Celebi. However, Celebi can defeat both with some prediction and the right moves. Heracross can switch into Celebi's moves and can threaten with a Megahorn, not caring about Thunder Wave due to his Guts ability. Weavile can also be a threat to Celebi with Night Slash, Pursuit, and Ice Punch, but needs a Choice Band to be a significant threat. As for specially based Pokémon, Heatran and Gengar both threaten Celebi with their STAB super effective moves. However, both of them also fear Thunder Wave and Heatran despises Earth Power.</p>

<p>Skarmory and Forretress can both set up on Celebi without Hidden Power Fire, laying down many entry hazards while Celebi can't deal much damage back. Skarmory can also use Whirlwind to predict Celebi's switch, causing even more residual damage. Salamence and Dragonite both fear Thunder Wave and Hidden Power Ice, but if Celebi doesn't have those, they can either set up on Celebi or remove it from play. (I'm adding this because that's what they do commonly. Almost all Salamence wouldn't dare stay in on common Thunder Wave)</p>

<p>Against Celebi on a Baton Pass team, ironically a Celebi of your own with Perish Song is helpful because some Baton Pass teams don't carry Sounproof Pokémon meaning that they can't stop Perish Song. Furthermore, Skarmory can also come in and Whirlwind Celebi away if it wasn't Ingrained. Taunt can also stop Celebi from Baton Passing, though Gyarados and Gliscor don't like taking Grass Knots or Seed Bombs. Skarmory can take Celebi's offensive moves and Taunt it though. (You've mentioned Skarmory far enough.)</p>
 

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firecape01: Scizor could potentially Pursuit Celebi if your team really needs Celebi gone. For example, if your team is utilizing a DD Gyarados and it doesn't have any moves to effectively hit Celebi with, Scizor can Pursuit it so your team doesn't have to worry about it. Also, there are no mentions of Latias in the current version, so I have no idea what you're talking about ?_?

RL: I often found that Celebi was going to take a hit while it was sweeping, and if it utilized Life Orb then it could only get off 2 or 3 attacks before it succumbed to SS + LO damage. Leftovers still does enough damage, while I didn't bother using CM + 2 attacks because then it was too easily walled.

Also, those two paragraphs were a mistake, they were leftover from when I was c/ping.

AccidentialGreed: Made most of your edits, disagreed with a few of them. For example: Baton Pass teams wouldn't use a Soundproof Pokemon other than Mr. Mime because then it can't continue on the Baton Pass. That's why it got a mention. Thanks anyway.
 

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