Chandelure [QC 0/3]

[Kangaaroo]

Add a Hex + W-o-W set in OO.

 

[Kushalos]

Mention how Hydreigon is a great partner as well, having amazing offensive AND defensive synergy. And remove HP fighting, it's so damn weak that its better to run a more useful move.

 

[TheManlyLadybug]

imo I think Infiltrator should go in Set Details instead of OO, defeating the Porygons is really good and Infiltrator has its uses, getting past common Substitute users

 

[Kushalos]

This should be what the sets should look like


Choice Specs
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name: Choice Specs
move 1: Fire Blast
move 2: Shadow Ball
move 3: Hidden Power Fighting Energy Ball
move 4: Trick/Overheat
ability: Flash Fire
item: Choice Specs
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
nature: Modest/Timid

Life Orb
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name: Life Orb
move 1: Fire Blast
move 2: Shadow Ball
move 3: Substitute / Will-O-Wisp
move 4: Pain Split
ability: Flash Fire
item: Life Orb
evs: 68 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 184 Spe
nature: Modest

Move WoW to other options.

Choice Scarf
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name: Choice Scarf
move 1: Fire Blast
move 2: Shadow Ball
move 3: Energy Ball
move 4: Hidden Power Fighting / Trick / Memento
ability: Flash Fire
item: Choice Scarf
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
nature: Timid / Modest

 

[Swamp Link]

I'm going to disagree, if you don't run HP Fighting then you leave yourself wide open to Houndoom and Hydreigon switch-ins, while HP Fighting, especially on Specs, can chunk them really badly. Shadow Ball hits pretty much all of Energy Ball's targets quite hard anyway.

 

[Magnemite]

Yeah, Specs HP Fighting OHKOes non-mega Houndoom (it needs SR to OHKO Mega Houndoom) and it has a chance to OHKO Hydreigon after SR. Scarf 2HKOes both. It's pretty useless against Porygon2 and Snorlax, but being able to beat your two best offensive switch-ins is pretty valuable. Not quite sure on whether or not I want to slash it before or after Energy Ball though.

 

[Epikhairz]

Not QC, but I think Infiltrator should be slashed by Flash Fire in the Choice Scarf set. Being able to reliably revenge kill Substitute sweepers is very nice :]

 

[TheManlyLadybug]

Not QC, but I think Infiltrator should be slashed by Flash Fire in the Choice Scarf set. Being able to reliably revenge kill Substitute sweepers is very nice :]

I agree, but its uses extend beyond there. Getting past the Porygons is really useful

 

[CoolStoryBrobat]

Minor but you said Energy Ball hits Hippo harder than any of its other Moves, but Fire Blast actually still does more thanks to STAB though the difference is minor. Also what of a sub CM set?

 

[Kangaaroo]

I know this is still WIP, but add Snorlax and Florges in C&C as they are both also Special Walls. :]

 

[Magnemite]

I know this is still WIP, but add Snorlax and Florges in C&C as they are both also Special Walls. :]

Snorlax is already listed. Sure, Florges can kinda take hits from Chandelure, but what's it doing back? Chandelure actually switches into Florges, not the other way around.

 

[Kangaaroo]

Snorlax is already listed. Sure, Florges can kinda take hits from Chandelure, but what's it doing back? Chandelure actually switches into Florges, not the other way around.

Chandelure can Moonblast, granted it isn't very effective, which has a 30% chance to lower Chandelure's Special Attack, and then of course wish to keep itself healthy.

 

[Magnemite]

252+ SpA Choice Specs Chandelure Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 24+ SpD Florges: 196-232 (54.4 - 64.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

0 SpA Florges Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Chandelure: 61-72 (23.3 - 27.5%) -- 82% chance to 4HKO

Not exactly a counter imo

Also, Florges is crippled by Trick.

 

[watashi]

all special walls are crippled by trick so that shouldn't be an argument but nevertheless florges is a bad counter because it gets 2hkoed and can't hit hard back.

the scarf set should have trick over hp fighting since it's generally more useful since you can cripple walls while hp fighting only hits a few targets weakly and is set up bait for many things

taunt and calm mind in other options

 

[Magnemite]

This is QC ready.

 

[HypnoEmpire]

I think the SubSplit set should run 164 Speed EVs to outpace Mew by 1 point because, while outspeeding Honchkrow is nice, it will try to Sucker Punch when Chandelure is in anyway and Mew is definitely a very relevant benchmark to hit.

 

[Martin]

Ok. I'm moving this to the top as it is a pretty important analysis. I don't see anything missing at a glance. This is ready for a qc check.

 

[LightningLuxray]

Add Sub Calm Mind; sets up over Blissey so easily and just in general really fucks with stall.

I'd probably even make it the first set considering how good / popular it is / becoming.

 

[mikelos]

who wishes it got to keep its 5th gen hidden ability

 

[Meru]

Sub CM definitely needs to be a set. Make sure you write in its team options that you need answers to Umbreon, which is the only special wall that can go toe to toe with it

 

[Magnemite]

[23:53] <~Magnemite> btw lochie do you still want chandelure
[23:53] <~Magnemite> i haven't played UU in 5ever so if you want it you can take it
[23:55] <&Calloflochie> Magnemite
[23:55] <&Calloflochie> yeah sure
[23:55] <~Magnemite> o_k

Ernesto Calloflochie