1. New to the forums? Check out our Mentorship Program!
    Our mentors will answer your questions and help you become a part of the community!
  2. Welcome to Smogon Forums! Please take a minute to read the rules.

Chandelure(WIP)

Discussion in 'Locked / Outdated Analyses' started by TrollFreak, Mar 1, 2012.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. TrollFreak

    TrollFreak (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ (╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
    is a Contributor Alumnus

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2011
    Messages:
    1,249
    SETS:

    Choice Scarf
    Sub+CM
    Choice Specs
    SunnyBeamer
    [​IMG]
    Chandelure

    [Overview]

    <p>Arguably the most controversial Pokemon currently in DW OU, Chandelure thrives in this hostile environment despite the presence of rain teams and Tyranitar. Even with so much going against it, Chandelure is probably the most overcentralizing figure in DW OU thanks to Shadow Tag, which has forced the likes of Blissey, Ferrothorn, and Skarmory to rely on Shed Shells in order to not be picked off. Add 145 base Special Attack added to its resume, and its no wonder Chandelure is one of DW OU's defining figures.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Choice Scarf
    move 1: Fire Blast / Overheat
    move 2: Shadow Ball
    move 3: Hidden Power Ice / Hidden Power Fighting
    move 4: Energy Ball / Psychic
    item: Choice Scarf
    ability: Shadow Tag
    nature: Timid / Modest
    evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This is the most common Chandelure set, and its common for a reason. This sets ability to trap and KO Pokemon such as Genesect, Latios, Breloom, Ferrothorn, among other Pokemon is just too good to pass up. Everyteam has at least one Chandelure check due to this set. The choice between Fire Blast and Overheat is up to what your team needs covered the most. Overheat scores OHKOs agaisnt Pokemon such as Gliscor </p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p></p>


    [SET]
    name: Substitute + Calm Mind
    move 1: Substitute
    move 2: Calm Mind
    move 3: Shadow Ball
    move 4: Flamethrower / Hidden Power Fighting
    item: Leftovers
    ability: Shadow Tag
    nature: Timid
    evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p></p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p></p>

    [SET]
    name: Sunnybeamer
    move 1: Sunny Day
    move 2: Fire Blast / Flamethrower
    move 3: SolarBeam
    move 4: Shadow Ball
    item: Life Orb / Colbur Berry
    ability: Shadow Tag
    nature: Timid / Modest
    evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p></p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p></p>

    [SET]
    name: Choice Specs
    move 1: Overheat / Fire Blast
    move 2: Shadow Ball
    move 3: Hidden Power Fighting / Hidden Power Ice
    move 4: Energy Ball / Psychic
    item: Choice Scarf
    ability: Shadow Tag
    nature: Timid / Modest
    evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p></p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p></p>

    [Other Options]

    <p></p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p></p>
  2. Jukain

    Jukain fuck redew
    is a member of the Site Staffis a Forum Moderatoris a Community Contributoris a Smogon Media Contributoris a Tiering Contributoris a Contributor to Smogon
    Moderator

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2011
    Messages:
    3,828
    Specs is good, include it,
  3. TrollFreak

    TrollFreak (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ (╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
    is a Contributor Alumnus

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2011
    Messages:
    1,249
    Ok, i'll add it in while I add in the rest of the skelly
  4. shrang

    shrang Reaction to Ubers ladder
    is a Contributor to Smogonis a Battle Server Moderatoris a Tiering Contributor Alumnus

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2009
    Messages:
    4,278
    I know you're not done yet, but I think you should include a Sunnybeaming set. This thing is so dirty in what it can do. With Sunny Day + SolarBeam, Chandelure can trap and KO bulky Politoed with no trouble at all, while although that Scarf/Specs can be removed by trapping them when they're in an unfavourable move.

    [SET]
    name: Sunnybeamer
    move 1: Sunny Day
    move 2: Fire Blast / Flamethrower
    move 3: SolarBeam
    move 4: Shadow Ball
    item: Life Orb / Colbur Berry
    ability: Shadow Tag <= Add this in to your other sets!
    nature: Timid / Modest
    evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

    I put Colbur Berry in just so you can severely dent Tyranitars that don't carry Stone Edge or Earthquake. With Colbur Berry, you can switch into Tyranitar on the revenge, set up Sunny Day and SolarBeam it for like ~60%, which puts you in a pretty advantageous position. The good thing about this Chandelure is that you don't have to worry about opposing weather inducers fucking up SolarBeam because they can't switch.

    And yes, add Specs. It gives you the firepower you need to OHKO Jellicent, which is a huge plus. It also semi-makes up for the power loss on a rain team, and yes, Chandelure is still useful on a rain team.
  5. TrollFreak

    TrollFreak (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ (╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
    is a Contributor Alumnus

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2011
    Messages:
    1,249
    Added the SunnyBeamer set, thanks shrang, guess I can start writing this up soon, no other viable sets that I see Chandelure using
  6. Calm Pokemaster

    Calm Pokemaster
    is a member of the Site Staffis a Forum Moderatoris a Smogon Media Contributoris a Contributor to Smogon
    Moderator

    Joined:
    Dec 18, 2009
    Messages:
    1,708
    Just putting it here - when you write up the first set, mention clearly what the three slashes for the Fire-type move are for: Overheat is for OHKOing stuff like Gliscor and switching out; with this, Chandelure is the epitome of a hit-and-run assassin. Fire Blast is mainly for bulkier mons like Togekiss that can survive Overheat and Roost off the damage, while Flamethrower is for the sure KO on mons like Scizor and Ferrothorn.
  7. Tobes

    Tobes Woo-hoo, woo-hoo, woo-hoo-hoo!
    is a Battle Server Administratoris a Site Staff Alumnusis a Super Moderator Alumnusis a Community Contributor Alumnusis a Smogon Media Contributor Alumnusis a Tiering Contributor Alumnusis a Contributor Alumnusis a Past WCoP Winner

    Joined:
    Jul 16, 2010
    Messages:
    2,547
    Hidden Power Ice should have the first slash on the Scarf set over Hidden Power Fighting.

    Slash Hidden Power Fighting after Flamethrower on the Sub CM set.
  8. TrollFreak

    TrollFreak (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ (╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
    is a Contributor Alumnus

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2011
    Messages:
    1,249
  9. shrang

    shrang Reaction to Ubers ladder
    is a Contributor to Smogonis a Battle Server Moderatoris a Tiering Contributor Alumnus

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2009
    Messages:
    4,278
    Small nitpick:

  10. TrollFreak

    TrollFreak (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ (╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
    is a Contributor Alumnus

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2011
    Messages:
    1,249
    Wow I am such a failure D: thanks shrang :D
  11. Jukain

    Jukain fuck redew
    is a member of the Site Staffis a Forum Moderatoris a Community Contributoris a Smogon Media Contributoris a Tiering Contributoris a Contributor to Smogon
    Moderator

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2011
    Messages:
    3,828
    I am honestly just wondering, what is Psychic for?
  12. NixHex

    NixHex No excuses
    is a member of the Site Staffis a Forum Moderatoris a Pokemon Researcheris a Contributor to Smogonis a Battle Server Moderator Alumnus
    Moderator

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2009
    Messages:
    2,614
    Yeah, get rid of Psychic. Neutral Fire Blast = Super Effective Psychic. The only thing you're really hitting harder is Toxicroak in the rain.
  13. Omicron

    Omicron
    is a Site Staff Alumnusis a Forum Moderator Alumnusis a Smogon Media Contributor Alumnusis a Tiering Contributor Alumnusis a Contributor Alumnus

    Joined:
    Feb 17, 2010
    Messages:
    3,042
    Get rid of the Flamethrower slashes on both of the Choice sets. Chandelure needs to hit as hard as possible, and Flamethrower is significantly weaker than Fire Blast, and doesn't gain certain KOes that I cannot remember atm. Also, Fire Blast should be the first slash in case you aren't switching out, you can easily just spam Fire Blast repeatedly, while after using Overheat, you usually need to switch out. I would also recommend the SunnyBeamer set placed before Choice Specs. Although Choice Specs is immensely powerful, it is terribly slow and is easily revenge killed by nearly all the common DW threats.
  14. ala

    ala
    is a Tiering Contributor Alumnusis a Past SPL Winner

    Joined:
    Dec 22, 2004
    Messages:
    4,013
    You also hit Keldeo and Blaziken much harder, which makes for a great last ditch check against those two. I also tend to use Overheat, which sucks when you miss against Breloom and he KOs you with Bullet Seed. Energy Ball doesn't seem all that effective, as you aren't hitting Tyranitar very well, Politoed gets 2HKOd while you get OHKOd back, other water types the same situation, Jellicent gets hit by Shadow Ball. At least slash in Psychic, it is my personal favorite option so I have some bias, but it is good for the reasons mentioned above.
  15. V0x

    V0x 4: I used to run at the sight of sun
    is an Artist Alumnusis a Forum Moderator Alumnusis a Contributor Alumnus

    Joined:
    Oct 16, 2010
    Messages:
    1,760
    This is open for reservation.
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Users Viewing Thread (Users: 0, Guests: 0)