Chansey (BW2 Revamp - QC 3/3) (GP 2/2)

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I've always thought Stealth Rock is a great option too, since it forces a ton of switches and allows Chansey to PP Stall Gengar if need be. The only problem I see is that Chansey is often paired up with Pokemon that commonly set SR. Forretress, Ferrothorn, Skarmory, and Donphan all run SR on their standard sets (maybe not Skarmory, but that's besides the point). I'll include SR in AC for now.

Anyway, Princess Bubblegum, is there are reason why you prefer more SpDef? For now I'll use 36 HP / 252 Def / 220 SpD Bold as you give reasoning behind it. Thanks for your input.
 
Oh first off the comparison calcs:

252 SpA Choice Specs Latios Psyshock vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Eviolite Chansey: 283-334 (40.19 - 47.44%)
252 SpA Choice Specs Latios Psyshock vs. 32 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 261-307 (40.21 - 47.3%)

+1 252 SpA Life Orb Volcarona Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 4+ SpD Eviolite Chansey in sun: 343-406 (48.72 - 57.67%)
+1 252 SpA Life Orb Volcarona Fire Blast vs. 32 HP / 220 SpD Eviolite Chansey in sun: 308-364 (47.45 - 56.08%)

As seen, 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD Calm is just an inefficient spread, having roughly the same physical bulk as 36 HP / 252 Def / 220 SpD Bold, and less special defensive. If you are wondering if 1% really matters, it changes the odds of a 2HKO for the second calc by over 12%.

I however did not state this should be the suggested spread, just that the Bold / Calm slash was simply incorrect, I actually have no problem with 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD Bold (well I do but not as the on site spread). So in essence, I do not have a reason for as to why 36 HP / 252 Def / 220 SpD Bold should be the on site main spread, its just better than 252 HP / 252 / 4 Calm.

Now, as to why as a Chansey player I prefer more special defensive, my philosophy is that Chansey is a special wall first, and that physical defensive should only be allocated if Chansey needs it to take on special threats. I realize this isn't the main view of the community, but whatever.

As for alternative EV spreads, 44 HP / 252 Def / 212 SpD Bold is probably the best bet. Let us compare it with my 180 spread I mentioned earlier.

First off 44 HP / 252 Def / 212 SpD Bold prevents a 2HKO from Superpower on Hydregion after stealth rock:

0 Atk Life Orb Hydreigon Superpower vs. 44 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 309-367 (47.39 - 56.28%)
-1 0 Atk Life Orb Hydreigon Superpower vs. 44 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 205-244 (31.44 - 37.42%)

If you do the math for the highest possible damage for superpower on this Chansey: 652-367-244=41, which is less than the Stealth Rock damage of 40 (I think sorry it might be 41).

I prefer however 180 HP / 252 Def / 76 SpD
0 Atk Life Orb Hydreigon Superpower vs. 180 HP / 252 Def Eviolite Chansey: 338-400 (49.27 - 58.3%)
-1 0 Atk Life Orb Hydreigon Superpower vs. 180 HP / 252 Def Eviolite Chansey: 226-268 (32.94 - 39.06%)

Now, while this can be 2HKOed, it occurs less than 1/16 of the time, or a critical hit, by ignoring the highest 4 values of damage (1/4)^2=16, we receive: 686-382-255 = 49 > 42 the damage from stealth rock.

As for other relevant damage on the physical side

252 SpA Choice Specs Latios Psyshock vs. 44 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 261-307 (40.03 - 47.08%) -- 41.8% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
252 SpA Life Orb Alakazam Psyshock vs. 44 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 231-274 (35.42 - 42.02%)
vs
252 SpA Choice Specs Latios Psyshock vs. 180 HP / 252 Def Eviolite Chansey: 283-334 (41.25 - 48.68%) -- 75.78% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
252 SpA Life Orb Alakazam Psyshock vs. 180 HP / 252 Def Eviolite Chansey: 253-300 (36.88 - 43.73%)

And comparing specially

+1 252 SpA Life Orb Volcarona Fire Blast vs. 44 HP / 220 SpD Eviolite Chansey in sun: 308-364 (47.23 - 55.82%)
+1 252 SpA Life Orb Volcarona Fire Blast vs. 180 HP / 76+ SpD Eviolite Chansey in sun: 320-376 (46.64 - 54.81%)

So yeah, ranging from Bold to Calm makes only about a 1% difference on either side, so 44 HP / 252 Def / 212 SpD Bold again is likely what you guys want as a specially defensive option.

The most specially defensive spread you ever want to use is 112 HP / 252 Def / 144 SpD Calm which is not 2HKOed by Psyshock (no rocks):

+1 252 SpA Life Orb Volcarona Fire Blast vs. 112 HP / 144+ SpD Eviolite Chansey in sun: 298-352 (44.54 - 52.61%)
252 SpA Choice Specs Latios Psyshock vs. 112 HP / 252 Def Eviolite Chansey: 283-334 (42.3 - 49.92%)
This is 2HKOed more than 6% of the time by Hydregion, how often? idk whatevers

If are are wondering 136 HP / 252 Def / 120 SpD Calm prevents a 2HKO 1/16 of the time from Hydregion.

So in short: 44 HP / 252 Def / 212 SpD Bold is the specially defensive option you are looking for here, the most specially defensive one should ever get ranges from 112 HP / 252 Def / 144 SpD Calm to 136 HP / 252 Def / 120 SpD Calm depending on how much you care about Hydregion.
 

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The main spread should be 252 HP / 252 Def+ / 4 SpD Bold. Helps Chansey avoid the 2HKO from two major special attackers, mixed Hydreigon and Choice Specs Latios, and also gives her the best mixed walling abilities. So it improves her performance against special attackers and against physical attackers. Unless Chansey really needs some SpD EVs to avoid some KOes from special attackers, i see no reason to not go with this spread.
 
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[Overview]

While Chansey was generally outclassed by Blissey in every way possible in previous generations, Eviolite now sets the two apart. Factoring in Eviolite, Chansey is one of the bulkiest Pokemon in the entire game. Sadly, even with the boost from Eviolite, it still can't stand up to Fighting type attackers who are extrememly popular in OU the popular Fighting-type attackers in OU. Because of Chansey's immense bulk, she often finds itherself on stall based teams because of it's her incredible support movepool. She's one of the few viable clerics outside of Blissey, but is much bulkier. Because of the lack of Leftovers recovery, Chansey should mainly be used on Rrain or Ssun teams, as the recoil from Hail and Sand really deteriorates Chansey's incredible bulk. Chansey's also has to rely on Seismic Toss and Toxic to deal any real damage / threaten the opponent thanks to her low attacking stats. However, play to Chansey's uses and you won't be disappointed.

[SET]
name: Support
move 1: Softboiled / Wish
move 2: Aromatherapy / Protect
move 3: Toxic
move 4: Seismic Toss
item: Eviolite
ability: Natural Cure
nature: Bold
evs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD

<p>Chansey is a great option if your team is in need of a Cleric or Wish passer. This is mainly due to Chansey's incredible bulk, allowing her to tank nearly any special attack, and a lot of un-(remove hyphen)boosted physical attacks. This set is often compared to Blissey,(AC) who is less bulkier bulky but has the advantage of being viable on Ssand and Hhail stall teams,(RC) as well as a usable Special aAttack stat. However, on Rrain and Ssun stall teams, Chansey is the better choice thanks to her superior bulk.</p>

<p>Softboiled keeps Chansey healthy through(remove space)out the match, as without Leftovers recovery, Chansey gets worn down pretty easily by residual damage in the form of entry hazards, Sand and Hail, and switching into an attack sand, hail, and repeated attacks. Aromatherapy allows Chansey to heal her teammates and prevents Chansey from being Toxic stalled, allowing Chansey to further support the team. Aromatherapy should be used in conjunction with Softboiled. However, Chansey is also a very viable Wish passer,(RC) thanks to her incredible HP stat. Protect should be used instead of Aromatherapy if you plan to use Wish with Chansey, as it allows Chansey to heal herself and scout out the opponent. Wish allows Chansey to fully heal many Pokemon regardless of whether they invest in HP themselves thanks to Chansey's incredible HP stat. Toxic allows Chansey to wear down the opponent, and is Chansey's main way of damaging the opponent. Seismic Toss prevents Chansey from becoming complete setup bait by sweepers (especially most Substitute users trying to avoid Toxic), and allows her to reliably damage the opposition without worrying about her low offenses.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>The EVs have been heavily invested in both HP and physical defense, making Chansey one of the best mixed walls in the tier. Investing into physical defense also means that Alakazam and Latios have no chance in getting past Chansey with Psyshock, as well as always avoiding the 2HKO from Hydreigon's Super Power Superpower. Wish can be paired with Softboiled to reduce Chansey's dependence on receiving her own Wish, but Protect is generally better, as it allows you to scout your opponent and Toxic stall. Thunder Wave is an option to better deal with fast sweepers like such as Venusaur while also statusing Fighting-types such as Lucario and Terrakion on the switch. Chansey can also use Stealth Rock, as Chansey forces a lot of switches pretty nicely. Stealth Rock also allows you to stall out Gengar, which can often be troubling for Chansey.</p>

<p>Chansey functions well on stall and other defensive teams that appreciate Chansey's abiltiy ability to heal her teammates from status. Politoed is a great partner, as Politoed prevents Ssand and Hhail damage from wearing down Chansey, while Chansey heals Politoed of any kind of status. Latias also has great synergy with Chansey, as it takes on Fighting-type attackers such as Breloom and Keldeo, both of which can easily muscle through Chansey. Pairing Skarmory up with Chansey creates a very neat core. Unfortunately, , though this core has become less effective this generation thanks to mixed attackers such as Keldeo, Infernape, Hydreigon, and Kyurem-B. Dragonite is a very viable tank on rain teams, as with Multiscale and Dragon Tail,(RC) it can wall just about any special attacker that Blissey (do you mean chansey? this seems out of place) can't, like such as Reuniclus, Keldeo, and Jirachi. Bulky Grass-types such as Tangrowth and Ferrothorn are great partners for Chansey, mainly because they can easily switch into Physical physical attacks like and ,(AC) set up entry hazards and force switches with Sleep Powder and Leech Seed,(AC) respectively. Be careful when using both Ferrothorn and Chansey together, as they do share a Fighting-(hyphen)type weakness.(period)</p>

<p>Chansey also functions really well on Ssun stall teams. Ninetales really likes Chansey's ability to switch into rain-(hyphen)boosted attacks easily, while also keeping Ninetales free from status. Slowbro is a pretty good partner, as the two have pretty awesome synergy good synergy together. Be careful however, as using both Slowbro and Chansey can make you very weak to Breloom. Cresselia is a sturdy wall on Ssun teams and haves nice synergy with Chansey, but their roles often overlap with each other, meaning there can be some redundency redundancy. Donphan and Forretress are 2 two spinners that fit very nicely on Ssun teams. Donphan has it'(apostrophe)s water Water weakness reduced and checkcs physical attacks pretty nicely, while Forretress can tank just about any physical attacker,(RC) while also providing support in the form of entry hazards and rapid spin Rapid Spin. Sableye is the best option for a spin(remove space)blocker on Ssun teams, and shares excellent synergy with Chansey. Sableye is also one of the best counters to Reuniclus, a Pokemon that often gives Chansey a head(remove space)ache, while it can also burn physcial physical attackers, taking pressure off of Chansey.</p>

<p>Entry hazards are annoying for Blissey Chansey to switch into, so having a spinner is important. Donphan, Tentacruel,(AC) and Forretress can both Rapid Spin and appreciate Chansey's huge Wishes and her ability to come in on special attacks. They also can set up entry hazards, wearing down the opposing team. Finally, Landorus-T is one of the best switch-ins to Terrakion and Scizor, two Pokemon that often use Chansey as setup bait.</p>

<p>The main advantages of using Chansey over Blissey is are that Chansey has much better overall bulk,(RC) and can actually take quite a few psychical physical attacks. Blissey,(AC) however,(AC) has Leftovers, making it her a much better choice on Ssand and Hhail based teams, as the recoil from sand and hail really undermines Chansey's bulk. This means Chansey is a more viable on sun and rain teams respectively, meaning Ninetales and Politoed are the best partners for Chansey.</p>

[Other Options]

<p>Counter is a pretty cool option, as thanks to Chansey's incredible HP stat and low dDefense stat, cCounter will often net a KO on physical attackers. Light Screen is an okay option, as it allows other team(remove space)mates to easily tank special attacks, but this role is often better filled by Cresselia and Bronzong. Skill Swap can be used to stop Reuniclus from destroying your team. Psych Up has some value in that it can go through Substitutes and this steals defensive boosts like such as a Quiver Dance or a Calm Mind boost from a Jirachi, Reuniclus, or Celebi, but it has little use outside of that. Chansey has some gimmicky options in Sing and Charm, but Chansey she has better things to do.</p>

[Checks and Counters]

<p>The large list of Fighting-types in OU are the best way to keep Chansey in check; Terrakion, Breloom, Keldeo, Infernape, Conkeldurr, and Lucario are all Pokemon that can switch in pretty easily and force Chansey out. However, some of these must be wary of Thunder Wave on the switch. Conkeldurr is probably the most consistaent Fighting-type switch-(hyphen)in, as it doesn't care much for Toxic or Thunder Wave. Any strong physical attacker with high-powered STAB attacks or Fighting-type coverage can usually muscle past Chansey. Strong Ground- and Dragon-types like such as Garchomp, Choice Band Dragonite, and Double Dance Landorus-T can easily get past Chansey or force it out.</p>

<p>Calm Mind Reuniclus give Chansey hell thanks to Magic Guard and Recover, and can easily get past Chansey with Psyshock. Stallbreakers like such as Gliscor, Reuniclus, and Gengar easily force Chansey to switch. Gliscor is immune to status thanks to Poison Heal and can Taunt Chansey due to its higher base Speed. Reuniclus has Magic Guard and can use Chansey as setup bait. Gengar is immune to Toxic and Seismic Toss and can use Chansey's own health to its advantage via Pain Split and can also carry Taunt. Gothitelle is scary for Chansey to face, as it can easily Trick a Choice item onto Chansey, as Shadow Tag prevents switching. Once locked into a move, it can be KOed or used as setup bait the following turn.(period) (space)Magic Bounce users like such as Xatu and Espeon can easily bounce back status inducing moves and Stealth Rock. Finally, Trick users like such as Latios and Rotom-W,(RC) cripple Chansey by replacing her beloved Eviolite with a handicap.</p>


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[Overview]

While Chansey was outclassed by Blissey in every way possible in previous generations, Eviolite now sets the two apart. Factoring in Eviolite, Chansey is one of the bulkiest Pokemon in the entire game. Sadly, even with the boost from Eviolite, she still can't stand up to the popular Fighting-type attackers in OU. Because of Chansey's immense bulk, she often finds herself on stall-based teams because of her incredible support movepool. She's one of the few viable clerics outside of Blissey, but is much bulkier. Because of the lack of Leftovers recovery, Chansey should mainly be used on rain or sun teams, as the recoil from hail and sand really deteriorates Chansey's incredible bulk. Chansey's also has to rely on Seismic Toss and Toxic to threaten the opponent thanks to her low attacking stats. However, play to Chansey's strengths uses and you won't be disappointed.

[SET]
name: Support
move 1: Softboiled / Wish
move 2: Aromatherapy / Protect
move 3: Toxic
move 4: Seismic Toss
item: Eviolite
ability: Natural Cure
nature: Bold
evs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD

<p>Chansey is a great option if your team is in need of a cleric or Wish passer. This is mainly due to Chansey's incredible bulk, allowing her to tank nearly any special attack, and a lot of unboosted physical attacks. This set is often compared to Blissey, who is less bulky but has the advantage of being viable on sand and hail stall teams as well as a usable Special Attack stat. However, on rain and sun stall teams, Chansey is the better choice thanks to her superior bulk.</p>

<p>Softboiled keeps Chansey healthy throughout the match, as without Leftovers recovery, Chansey gets worn down pretty easily by residual damage in the form of entry hazards, sand, hail, and repeated attacks. Aromatherapy allows Chansey to heal her teammates and prevents Chansey from being Toxic stalled, allowing Chansey to further support the team. Aromatherapy should be used in conjunction with Softboiled. However, Chansey is also a very viable Wish passer thanks to her incredible HP stat. Protect should be used instead of Aromatherapy if you plan to use Wish with Chansey, as it allows Chansey to heal herself and scout out the opponent. Wish allows Chansey to fully heal many Pokemon regardless of whether they invest in HP themselves thanks to Chansey's incredible HP stat. Toxic allows Chansey to wear down the opponent, and is Chansey's main way of damaging the opponent. Seismic Toss prevents Chansey from becoming complete setup bait by sweepers (especially most Substitute users trying to avoid Toxic), and allows her to reliably damage the opposition without worrying about her low offenses.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>The EVs have been heavily invested in both HP and physical defense, making Chansey one of the best mixed walls in the tier. Investing into physical defense also means that Alakazam and Latios have no chance in getting past Chansey with Psyshock, as well as always avoiding the 2HKO from Hydreigon's Superpower. Wish can be paired with Softboiled to reduce Chansey's dependence on receiving her own Wish, but Protect is generally better, as it allows you to scout your opponent and Toxic stall. Thunder Wave is an option to better deal with fast sweepers such as Venusaur while also statusing Fighting-types such as Lucario and Terrakion on the switch. Chansey can also use Stealth Rock, as Chansey forces a lot of switches pretty nicely. Stealth Rock also allows you to stall out Gengar, which can often be troubling for Chansey.</p>

<p>Chansey functions well on stall and other defensive teams that appreciate Chansey's ability to heal her teammates from status. Politoed is a great partner, as Politoed prevents sand and hail damage from wearing down Chansey, while Chansey heals Politoed of any kind of status. Latias also has great synergy with Chansey, as it takes on Fighting-type attackers such as Breloom and Keldeo, both of which can easily muscle through Chansey. Pairing Skarmory up with Chansey creates a very neat core, though this core has become less effective this generation thanks to mixed attackers such as Keldeo, Infernape, Hydreigon, and Kyurem-B. Dragonite is a very viable tank on rain teams, as with Multiscale and Dragon Tail it can wall just about any special attacker that Chansey can't, such as Reuniclus, Keldeo, and Jirachi. Bulky Grass-types such as Tangrowth and Ferrothorn are great partners for Chansey, mainly because they can easily switch into physical attacks, set up entry hazards, (AC) and force switches with Sleep Powder and Leech Seed, respectively. Be careful when using both Ferrothorn and Chansey together, as they do share a Fighting-type weakness.</p>

<p>Chansey also functions really well on sun stall teams. Ninetales really likes Chansey's ability to switch into rain-boosted attacks easily, while also keeping Ninetales free from status. Slowbro is a pretty good partner, as the two have good synergy together. Be careful however, as using both Slowbro and Chansey can make you very weak to Breloom. Cresselia is a sturdy wall on sun teams and has nice synergy with Chansey, but their roles often overlap with each other, meaning there can be some redundancy. Donphan and Forretress are two spinners that fit very nicely on sun teams. Donphan has its Water weakness reduced and checks physical attacks pretty nicely, while Forretress can tank just about any physical attacker while also providing support in the form of entry hazards and Rapid Spin. Sableye is the best option for a spinblocker on Sun teams, and shares excellent synergy with Chansey. Sableye is also one of the best counters to Reuniclus, a Pokemon that often gives Chansey a headache, while it can also burn physical attackers, taking pressure off of Chansey.</p>

<p>Entry hazards are annoying for Chansey to switch into, so having a spinner is important. Donphan, Tentacruel, and Forretress can both Rapid Spin and appreciate Chansey's huge Wishes and her ability to come in on special attacks. They also can set up entry hazards, wearing down the opposing team. Finally, Landorus-T is one of the best switch-ins to Terrakion and Scizor, two Pokemon that often use Chansey as setup bait.</p>

<p>The main advantages of using Chansey over Blissey are that Chansey has much better overall bulk and can actually take quite a few physical attacks. Blissey, however, has Leftovers, making her a much better choice on sand and hail teams, as the recoil from sand and hail really undermines Chansey's bulk. This means Chansey is more viable on sun and rain teams, meaning Ninetales and Politoed are the best partners for Chansey.</p>

[Other Options]

<p>Counter is a pretty cool option, as thanks to Chansey's incredible HP stat and low Defense stat, Counter will often net a KO on physical attackers. Light Screen is an okay option, as it allows other teammates to easily tank special attacks, but this role is often better filled by Cresselia and Bronzong. Skill Swap can be used to stop Reuniclus from destroying your team. Psych Up has some value in that it can go through Substitutes and thus steals defensive boosts such as a Quiver Dance or a Calm Mind boost from a Jirachi, Reuniclus, or Celebi, but it has little use outside of that. Chansey has some gimmicky options in Sing and Charm, but she has better things to do.</p>

[Checks and Counters]

<p>The large list of Fighting-types in OU are the best way to keep Chansey in check; Terrakion, Breloom, Keldeo, Infernape, Conkeldurr, and Lucario are all Pokemon that can switch in pretty easily and force Chansey out. However, some of these must be wary of Thunder Wave on the switch. Conkeldurr is probably the most consistent Fighting-type switch-in, as it doesn't care much for about Toxic or Thunder Wave. Any strong physical attacker with high-powered STAB attacks or Fighting-type coverage can usually muscle past Chansey. Strong Ground- and Dragon-types such as Garchomp, Choice Band Dragonite, and Double Dance Landorus-T can easily get past Chansey or force it out.</p>

<p>Calm Mind Reuniclus gives Chansey hell thanks to Magic Guard and Recover, and can easily get past Chansey with Psyshock. Stallbreakers such as Gliscor, Reuniclus, and Gengar easily force Chansey to switch. Gliscor is immune to status thanks to Poison Heal and can Taunt Chansey due to its higher base Speed. Reuniclus has Magic Guard and can use Chansey as setup bait. Gengar is immune to Toxic and Seismic Toss and can use Chansey's own health to its advantage via Pain Split and can also carry Taunt. Gothitelle is scary for Chansey to face, as it can easily Trick a Choice item onto Chansey, as Shadow Tag prevents switching. Once locked into a move, it can be KOed or used as setup bait the following turn. Magic Bounce users such as Xatu and Espeon can easily bounce back status inducing moves and Stealth Rock. Finally, Trick users such as Latios and Rotom-W cripple Chansey by replacing her beloved Eviolite with a handicap.</p>

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