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BW OU Charizard and Friends (OU Sun Team)

Discussion in 'BW OU Teams' started by RabidChipmunk, Jul 20, 2012.

  1. RabidChipmunk

    RabidChipmunk

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    CHARIZARD and Friends

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    I'm new to the Pokemon metagame (as you can see from my post count), but I've been eager to join it for a long time. After finally figuring out all the complicated in's and out's of it, I finally managed to put together a team to abuse my favorite weather: intense sunlight.

    The team's primary build is focused on allowing Ninetales to set up sun, and then allowing Charizard to sweep with it. The remaining Pokes are all support, back-up, or in the case of Chandelure, just pure stall-breaking awesomeness (as well as being a shaky counter to Heatran, more on that later).

    Most of my EV spreads are standard Smogon stuff, 'cuz like I said, I'm still new to this shtick.


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    9Day4Cast (Ninetales) @ Leftovers, Timid
    Drought
    136 HP, 252 SpA, 120 Spe
    Fire Blast/Flamethrower
    Will-o-wisp
    Solar Beam
    Hidden Power (Ice)

    A sunlight team without a Ninetales would be sort of like a bachelor party with no cake or strippers: it would just kind of miss the point. Ninetales follows the standard Smogon Sunny Day set, but I opted to switch out Sunny Day for a Fire type STAB move, since with the exception of Politoed (who, from my experience, is far less common than Tyranitar), it doesn't gain much by stopping the opponents weather when they can still KO her with a super-effective move. I'm torn between Fire Blast and Flamethrower: Fire Blast hits harder, but its accuracy is a problem, and Ninetales isn't meant to be too offensive anywas; it's more for utility.

    Will-o-wisp is there because it's my team's only status move as of now and it's great for nailing Tyranitar, and Solar Beam provides some excellent coverage against types that nail her super-effectively. Finally, HP Ice is there to deal with the odd dragon type or two.

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    O.G. (Charizard) @ Choice Scarf, Modest
    Solar Power
    252 SpA, 252 Spe, 4 SpD
    Fire Blast
    Air Slash
    Solar Beam
    Focus Blast


    Most people say that Charizard is only good when it's got Solar Power under the sun. To those people, I say "Most likely, yeah." But he's come in quite handy in opposing weather even. So long as Stealth Rocks are under control, Charizard always has a pretty powerful Special Attack stat to abuse, Solar Power or not.

    Fire Blast is STAB of choice, because with Solar Power going, it'll melt your popsicle. Air Slash is there if I need to quickly revenge kill something and I need an accurate move, Solar Beam is there in case I bring Charizard in on something weak to it, and Focus Blast is there for better rounded coverage, as well as nailing Heatran and Tyranitar (more so the former than the latter).

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    Da Roof (Chandelure) @ Choice Specs, Modest
    Flash Fire
    252 SpA, 252 Spe, 4 SpD
    Overheat
    Shadow Ball
    Energy Ball
    Hidden Power (Fighting)


    I love Chandelure. Under the sun, with a modest nature, max Special Attack, Choice Specs STAB Overheat, nothing but nobody wants to take that. He is obscenely powerful, and from my experience, the speed loss he suffers from lack of a Choice Scarf hardly matters when, if he's played correctly, he'll force a lot of switches.

    Overheat is his main move of choice, allowing him to massively dent anything that doesn't resist it, and even somethings that do. Shadow Ball is secondary STAB if I need it, Energy Ball is for predicted Water type switch-ins, and HP Fighting is there for that nice Ghost-Fighting coverage, as well as nailing switch-ins weak to it (cough Tyranitar cough).

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    ClassyMofo (Virizion) @ Life Orb, Jolly
    Justified
    252 Atk, 252 Spe, 4 HP
    Swords Dance
    Leaf Blade
    Close Combat
    Stone Edge


    Virizion is a fantastic Pokemon to have on any weather team. It has a move to hit every weather starter super-effectively, and with the exception of Abomasnow, isn't weak to any of their STABs, meaning it's great for switching into weather-starters and scaring them off, then setting up a SD as they run.

    Swords Dance is there for the added power when I need it. Being my teams only physical attacker, Virizion's movepool lacks any type of Hidden Power, instead going with Leaf Blade for STAB, Close Combat for pure power, and Stone Edge so I can miss all the time and give myself a reason to drink. And for coverage too, I guess.

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    Beetleborg (Forretress) @ Leftovers, Relaxed
    Sturdy
    252 HP, 176 Def, 80 SpD
    Stealth Rock
    Spikes/Toxic Spikes
    Rapid Spin
    Volt Switch


    For such an offensive team, it really helps to have a Pokemon who serves the purpose of Rapid Spinner and Hazards Setter, so Forretress was an easy pick. His 4x weakness to Fire may only be further exacerbated in the sun, but you'd be hardpressed to get Forretress to survive a Fire move anyways, so there you go.

    Stealth Rock is there because Stealth Rock. I can't decide between Spikes and Toxic Spikes; Spikes does additional damage on switch in, but Toxic Spikes adds another layer of status I can inflict apart from just Ninetales' Will-o-wisp. Rapid Spin is there because Stealth Rock. Volt Switch is there because of switch initiative, allowing me to see what Pokemon my opponent wants to send in to bludgeon there way past Forretress, and then allowing me to gain some additional damage while I send in an appropriate counter.

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    F.L.A.G. (Cresselia) @ Light Clay, Bold
    Levitate
    252 HP, 148 Def, 40 SpD, 68 Spe
    Reflect
    Light Screen
    Lunar Dance
    Ice Beam


    Charizard's #1 weakness is obviously Stealth Rock, stripping him of half his health when he comes in. My primary answer to this is Forretress, who keeps the field nice and clean for Charizard to enter into. But sometimes, shit happens, and you gotta have a plan B. That's where F.L.A.G. (Fight Like A Girl) comes in. It's Reflect and Light Screen capabilities are hugely helpful, but more importantly, it has Lunar Dance, giving a possibly battered and weakened Charizard a second chance to sweep, even if Stealth Rock is still up.

    Reflect and Light Screen are there because the added support is always welcome. Lunar Dance is there for Charizard and whenever else I need it. Ice Beam is for some sort of offensive presence if it needs it.

    MAJOR THREATS

    This list isn't very big, since I'm still new here and I haven't had a chance to really put something together, but these threats still stand out.

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    My team lacks a true-blue Heatran counter. Although several of my Pokemon can hit it super-effectively, nothing can really switch reliably into it. My so far best method of dealing with Heatran is to switch into either Chandelure when predicting a Fire move, or into Charizard when predicting Earth Power.

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    Terrakion's a threat because Terrakion is always a threat. Seriously, when was the last time someone ever said "IDGAF 'bout no Terrakion"?

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    Volcarona is, so far, the greatest threat to my team. It benefits from my sun, and since my team lacks any Rock moves, I have no sure-fire way to take it out, especially after it sets up a Quiver Dance on me.


    So there it is, my majorly-offensive OU Sun team. Like I said, I'm still new here, and this team has netted me just as many wins as losses, so any critiques and comments are more than welcome.
  2. SuperCharizardMaster

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    Okay, I love that your using charizard (stick up for the zard I always say), then you have a flash fire user and a spinner which are bread and butter in a good sun team, However the only poke that just doesn't belong is Virzion. It gains nothing at all from sun and all it gets is a quad boosted sun weakness, I suggest a chlorophyll user like venusaur, or something like that. But besides that one flaw that I can see, I think your team is pretty good.
  3. LilOuOn

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    Welcome to the Smogon Community!

    Nice team you have there, but you are not considering Life Orb Tornadus-t (which is winning a slot on the metagame) as a threat. The green bird in a Rain team is a beast, you must consider that stab hurricane 2HKO ninetails, OHKO charizard, OHKO chandelure, OHKO virizion, and 2HKO forretress. The only one you have is Cresselia, and she's not a counter to Tornadus-T.

    I haven't found any counter to it...maybe scarfed thundurus-t or Jolteon, but thunder is not a good friend of the Sun...
  4. RabidChipmunk

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    Since I only play Black and White 1, and I don't think the Therians are compatible with those, it shouldn't be an issue. But thanks for the tips, I'll keep it in mind if I use this team for BW2 as well :D

    @SuperCharizard: I've actually used a physical Venusaur on this team and he works just about as well as Virizion, but it's sort of a 50/50. Venusaur actually benefits from the sun while Virizion does not, but Virizion can actually come in during adverse weather, while Venusaur loses a lot of it's viability without Chlorophyll. They both have they're strengths and weaknesses, but I prefer Virizion simply because he can scare out Tyranitar and Politoed when the sun's not up. But like I said, I've used both, and there's really no right answer.
  5. LilOuOn

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    Oh, in that case, Specs Dragonite also is a beast and can spam Hurricane.

    For volcarona, your Stealth Rocks deal 50% damage, so it is not so hard to kill, but try to replace Virizion with Terrakion.
  6. Glory Blaze

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    Hi, Nice sun team. Id like to say that you could add dugtrio to counter the former 2 counters to your team. You might wanna add a lead to your team as well, as It would leave your ninetales open to first-turn threats like landorus, tyranitar and terrakion, making you lose your sun easily.
  7. TheStarRapper

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    To counter all three of those threats posted, as well as give your team some
    speed, and have a weapon against sand teams, I suggest choice scarf landorus. His 101 speed tier means that he can outspeed +1 Volcarona, and the ever deadly scarfmoxiemence. The set is

    Landorus @ Choice Scarf
    Nature:Naive; Ability: Sand Force
    252 Atk, 252 Spd, 4 SpA
    -Earthquake
    -Stone Edge/Rock Slide
    -U-Turn
    -Hidden Power Ice

    SE vs rock slide is the Power vs accuracy debate, it will kill Volcarona either way. I also believe that HP Ice ohkos Gliscor, but if I am wrong someone else can please correct me.Good luck.
  8. Boltaway

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    Definitely use Landorus, although I'd recommend Sheer Force over Sand Force, which allows you to easily abuse Rock Slide. Since you're in the sun, Sand Force isn't guaranteed to be activated. Also, Gliscor is 2HKOed, not OHKOed.
  9. RabidChipmunk

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    This definitely looks good for my team, especially the Sheer Force Landorus, but I have two questions: first of all, I play purely BW1 WiFi, so is it unfair to use it when I can't even have people use Therians against me?

    If legitimacy isn't an issue, than what should I replace with him?
  10. PDC

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    hello, this is an interesting sun team and i think i can help you cover your major threats. first iff i would suggest using a bulky heatran of you own with the spread of 252 HP / 252 SDef / 4 Def Calm @ Leftovers with Lava Plume, Toxic, Stealth Rock, Roar. This beats Volc and can help handle many dragons that are troublesome, so i suggest trying to use it over Chandelure. You also have a heavy weakness to Terrakion, Lucario, and Conkelldurr. Landorus can also do a hefty number. To solve this, I suggest Slowbro over Cresselia, however if you feel that Cresselia is essential, try using a defensive set including Moonlight, Psychic, Ice Beam, Thunder Wave. This helps you with Dragonite also.

    I now would advise you to replace Stealth Rock on Forretress with Gyro Ball. I advise changing the spread to 252 HP / 252 SDef / 4 Def Sassy 0 Speed IV to give Gyro Ball maximun damage.
  11. VictoriousVictini

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    This is nice. Although I reccomend Iron Fist Infernape. It has Fire Punch, which is great when you take into account that it gets Iron Fist boost, STAB bonus, and Sun Boost. It also has priority, Iron Fisted and STAB Mach Punch to get rid of those pesky tyranitars that have been floating around in OU recently
  12. Durant

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    Gen 5 has no mega evolutions
  13. Thunderorange

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    Sorry. Acidently went into the gen 5 forum instead of the X and Y forum.

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