Cinccino (GP 2/2)

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Cinccino



[Overview]

<p>The first reaction of many players when they see Cinccino is "Aww, isn't it cute?" After this they dismiss Cinccino as a threat, albeit, rather foolishly. Below the innocent exterior lies a Pokemon that can lay the hurt on most of the metagame with its phenomenal type coverage and amazing ability, Technician. Not only was Cinccino gifted with great power, but with it comes a blazing fast Speed stat that leaves UU staples such as Froslass in the dust. While you're busy wrecking your opponent's team with Cinccino, keep in mind its shortfalls. Cinccino's tiny stature doesn't bode well for its survivability, and many powerful neutral STAB moves can easily 2HKO, if not OHKO, the poor mouse. Cinccino also struggles against dedicated physical walls who are able to comfortably sit in front of Cinccino while it futily attempts to break through their immense bulk. But these walls can easily be weakened and after that, Cinccino can use its Speed, power and movepool to prove that it can stand tall amongst the giants of UU.</p>

[SET]
name: Life Orb
move 1: Tail Slap
move 2: Rock Blast
move 3: Bullet Seed
move 4: Wake-Up Slap / U-Turn
item: Life Orb
ability: Technician
nature: Jolly / Adamant
evs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Here, Cinccino finds itself in the role of a late game cleaner. After Cinccino's teammates have sufficiently weakened the opposing team, Cinccino can sweep up the remnants. Late game cleaning isn't Cinccino's only niche in UU, as the abundance of Substitute abusers in the tier give Cinccino a free turn to switch in and spam its multi-hit move of choice. As many players will be reluctant to switch out with a Substitute still intact, Cinccino can often score some free KOs.</p>

<p>Tail Slap is Cinccino's STAB move of choice and just one of Cinccino's multiple multi-hit moves. After a STAB and Technician boost, Tail Slap can hit for an amazing base power of 250, easily being able to dispose of frailer threats. Rock Blast has excellent super effective coverage on a large portion of the metagame, and can maul the infamous Froslass and SubRoost Zapdos, regardless of whether they have a Substitute or not. The third move is used for the bulky Water-, Rock-, and Ground-types that often plague physical sweepers; Bullet Seed allows Cinccino to bombard them with a super effective Grass type move. The last slot is more flexible, with either Wake-Up Slap or U-turn, depending on what your team needs. The former hits Normal-types and, more importantly, Steel-types for super effective damage, while the latter allows Cinccino to scout the switch-in and go to a counter. U-turn is especially effective if you have a Dugtrio or Magneton to trap Steel-type switch-ins.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>The EV spread shown is standard for most physical sweepers, maximizing Attack and Speed, and is the only spread that Cinccino should ever run, as any investment in bulk is wasted due to Cinccino's frailty. The choice of item is equally straight forward; a Life Orb grants Cinccino a much needed power boost, while also taking away from Cinccino's already negligible bulk. Even though most of Cinccino's options are pretty much set in stone, the choice of nature can vary depending on your team. Jolly allows it to outrun Froslass and Tornadus, whereas Adamant gives Cinccino even more power while still being able to outpace all unboosted base 100s. However, this comes at a price, as Cinccino will no longer be able to outspeed Pokemon such as Mismagius and Cobalion.</p>

<p>Cinccino has trouble sweeping when the opponent's physical walls and faster Choice Scarf holders can come in and halt the sweep. Powerful Choice Band users such as Heracross and Victini can use their insanely powerful STAB attacks to weaken opposing walls for Cinccino. Krookodile is an exceptional teammate as it can fill both the role of a Ghostbuster and Steel killer, removing the Pokemon that cause Cinccino the most trouble. Unfortunately Krookodile shares a Fighting-type weakness with Cinccino, so a bulky Ghost- or Psychic-type such as Cofagrigus or Uxie should be paired with them to take Fighting-type attacks. Cinccino can also lend back some help, easily removing troublesome Substitute spammers, such as Froslass, Zapdos and Whimsicott, giving your team more freedom to switch around and outpredict the opponent.</p>

[Other Options]

<p>Unfortunately for Cinccino, its main STAB move has a frustrating 85% accuracy. If greater reliability is required, Cinccino has an alternative STAB in Return. However, Return is unboosted by Technician and doesn't keep attacking after breaking a Substitute, so it is often the inferior choice. Speaking of choice, a Choice Scarf may seem to be a natural fit for the Scarf Pokemon, but it unfortunately removes the power boost from Life Orb and only adds to Cinccino's Speed, a stat that is high enough already. A Choice Band set is the best option that Cinccino can run aside from the set already shown; the substantial boost to its attack scores Cinccino some extra KOs. However, Cinccino appreciates the ability to switch moves and abuse its excellent coverage, something the Choice sets take away. Like many Normal-types, Cinccino has access to a decent special movepool that includes Thunderbolt and Focus Blast, but it lacks the stats to abuse it. You're better off just sticking to physical moves when it comes to using Cinccino.</p>

[Checks and Counters]

<p>Most physically bulky Pokemon that are not hit super effectively by any of Cinccino's moves can easily counter it. Bulky Ghost-types such as Cofagrigus and Dusclops get special mention, as Cinccino's STAB moves pass straight through them. They can then proceed to burn Cinccino with Will-O-Wisp, leaving it crippled and almost useless. Registeel is another Pokemon that takes pittance from any of Cinccino's moves, even shrugging off multiple Wake-Up Slaps, and can pound Cinccino with a STAB Iron Head. Bulky Fighting-types can come in and live a couple of attacks before using their STAB moves to rearrange Cinccino's face. Sometimes, revenge killing Cinccino is the only option and although Cinccino is quite fast, most Choice Scarf users can outspeed and KO it. Often you won't be seeing Cinccino until the end of the game, when all its checks and counters have either been weakened or eliminated. So if Cinccino is seen in Team Preview, keep one of its checks or counters on high health, lest you be on the receiving end of Cinccino's wrath.</p>

[Dream World]

<p>If you thought Technician was good, just wait until Skill Link is released. With Skill Link, Cinccino's multi-hit moves can hit much more reliably, racking up five hits every time. Just be aware though, the boost to most of Cinccino's moves through Technician no longer applies, so Steel types can wall Cinccino with even greater ease.</p>
 

Endorfins

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#3
well the main reason to be using Cinccino in uu is multi hit with technician so i think a oo mention should suffice
otherwise pokemon like ambipom are better
 

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#5
don't need a huge explanation, but there should at least be some pros and cons listed of both Jolly and Adamant natures.
 
#7
Cinccino doesn't have a single notable advantage over Ambipom unless you think Rock Blast is really enough reason to use it, and Ambipom has very useful moves like Taunt, Pursuit, and U-Turn that Cinccino really wishes it has. It's true that we've approved analyses for outclassed pokemon before, but Cinccino is different because 1. it has literally no advantages over Ambipom and 2. Ambipom isn't a good pokemon in UU anyway.

Unless I'm overlooking something, this is QC REJECTED 1/3
 

Endorfins

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#9
bullet seed smashs bulky waters and rock types which ambipom cant do
rock blast hit bugs fliers and ice types super effectively
cinccino does have u turn
cinccino is definitely not outclassed
 

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#10
Wait, what? Why is this being rejected?

1) Cinccino gets U-Turn, and Taunt/Pursuit are almost useless on ambipom in this current metagame anyway.
2) Cinccino's coverage is 10x better than Ambipom's. Ambipom will always be walled by Rhyperior and Omastar, even with Low Kick. Cinnccino can blow right past these. Rock Blast is nice for SubRoost Zapdos.

Cincinno is not great, but I would say it's better than Ambipom, and it's certainly better than Mesprit and Carracosta -___- If we're giving those things an analysis, it seems pretty inconsistent to deny this one based on viability reasons.
 

Endorfins

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#12
yay some support for this underrated pokemon
bullet seed and and rock blast have coverage on water, fire rock ground flying and bug and ice types
ambipom doesnt...
need some qc support though
 
#13
doesn't rock blast and bullet seed pretty much distinguish cinccino from ambipom? the fact that there's almost no other instance of multi-hit moves in UU (except for maybe CB Rhyperior) pretty much gives her a nice niche to work with
 
#14
If only it had got Icicle Spear and Arm Thrust (with 25 BP). But anyway this is a great Pokemon that i have used very effectively and it almost completely outclasses Ambipom.
 

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#15
Wait, what? Why is this being rejected?

1) Cinccino gets U-Turn, and Taunt/Pursuit are almost useless on ambipom in this current metagame anyway.
2) Cinccino's coverage is 10x better than Ambipom's. Ambipom will always be walled by Rhyperior and Omastar, even with Low Kick. Cinnccino can blow right past these. Rock Blast is nice for SubRoost Zapdos.

Cincinno is not great, but I would say it's better than Ambipom, and it's certainly better than Mesprit and Carracosta -___- If we're giving those things an analysis, it seems pretty inconsistent to deny this one based on viability reasons.
I agree with this.

Consider this an approval stamp 1/3.
 
#18
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Slash Wake-Up Slap with U-Turn for the inevitable Ghosts and Steels that will be switching in (WUS won't really do much to Steel-types anyway)

QC Approved (3/3)

Oh yeah and mention that it is largely but not completely outclassed by Ambipom.
 

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#20
You might want to mention that Tail Slap's accuracy is a bitch and a half, and that's probably (at least imo) the main thing that Ambipom holds over Cinccino. While Tail Slap is nice to hit through Subs and Focus Sash, all of Ambipom's standard attacks are 100% accuracy, while two of Cinccino's main attacks are 85% and 90% accurate. Using Cinccino is a higher risk, but probably for a higher reward.
 
#22
imo return should be slashed into slot 1 in the very least for the consistency + accuracy, considering that 15% of the time tail slap does no damage and in that 85% there is a 37.5% chance for it to do less damage than return. if it hits at least thrice it outdamages return on average, so return should be a secondary slash

edit: i do notice that its in OO, but tail slap's accuracy problems should at least warrant return a slash
 

Endorfins

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#23
thats like saying rhyperior should use rock slide
it doesnt
Cinccino is by nature a high risk high reward pokemon
by using return one of cinccinos niches disappears (breaking subs and sturdy)
 
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Cinccino



[Overview]

<p>'"Aww, isn't it cute?'" That is Is often the first reaction of many players when they see Cinccino, before they then proceed to dismiss Cinccino as a threat. But don't be fooled! Below the innocent exterior lies a Pokemon that can lay the hurt on most of the metagame with its phenomenal type coverage and amazing ability. Not only was Cinccino gifted with great power, with it comes a blazing fast Speed stat that leaves UU staples, like such as Froslass, in the dust.</p><p>While you're busy wrecking your opponents opponent's team with Cinccino, keep in mind its shortfalls. Cinccino's tiny stature doesnt doesn't bode well for its survivability,[add comma] and many powerful neutral STAB moves can easily 2HKO,[add comma] if not OHKO,[add comma] the poor mouse. Cinccino also struggles against dedicated physical walls who are able to comfortably sit in front of Cinccino while it futily attempts to break through their immense bulk. But these walls can easily be weakened and after that, Cinccino can use its Speed, Power power and Movepool movepool to prove that it can stand tall amongst the giants of UU.</p>

[SET]
name: Life Orb
move 1: Tail Slap
move 2: Rock Blast
move 3: Bullet Seed
move 4: Wake-Up Slap / U-Turn
item: Life Orb
ability: Technician
nature: Jolly / Adamant
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Here Cinccino finds itself in the role of the a late game cleaner. After Cinccino's (uglier) teammates have sufficiently weakened the opposing team, Cinccino can sweep up the remnants. Late game cleaning isn't Cinccino's only niche in UU,[add comma] as the abundance of Substitute abusers in the tier give Cinccino a free turn to switch in and spam its multi-hit move of choice. As many players will be reluctant to switch out with a substitute intact, Cinccino can often score some free Kos.</p>

<p>Tail Slap is Cinccino's STAB move of choice and just one of Cinccino's multiple multi-hit moves. After a STAB and Technician boost, Tail Slap can hit for an amazing base power of 250, easily being able to dispose of most frailer threats. If better coverage is required, Cinccino can fall back on its other multi-hit moves. Rock Blast has excellent super effective coverage on a large portion of the metagame,[add comma] and can maul the infamous Froslass and SubRoost Zapdos, Substitute up or not. The third move is used for the bulky Water-[add hyphen], Rock-[add hyphen],[add comma] and Ground-[add hyphen]types that often plague physical sweepers.[remove period],[add comma] and Cinccino has no problem bombarding them with a super effective Grass attack Grass-type move. The last slot is more flexible, with either Wake-Up Slap or U-Turn,[add comma] depending on what your team needs. The former hits Normal-types and more importantly, Steel-types for super effective damage,[add comma] while the latter allows Cinccino to scout the switch-in and go to a teammate counter. U-Turn is especially effective if you have a Dugtrio or Magneton handy to trap Steel-[add hyphen]type switch-ins.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>The EV spread shown is standard for most physical sweepers, maximising Attack and Speed, and is the only spread that Cinccino should ever run,[add comma] as any investment in bulk is wasted due to Cinccinos Cinccino's frailty. The choice of item is also equally straight forward, a life Life Orb grants Cinccino a much needed power boost,[add comma] while also taking away from Cinccino's already negligible bulk. While most of Cinccino's options are pretty much set in stone, the choice of nature can vary depending on your team,[remove comma].[add period] Jolly gets the first mention as it would be a shame to not abuse Cinccino's excellent speed,[add comma] which allows it to outrun Scolipede(not common enough in UU) Froslass and Tornadus. On the other hand, Adamant gives Cinccino even more power and lets it still outpace all unboosted base 100s,[add comma] but it comes at a price; Cinccino can no longer outspeed pokemon Pokemon such as Froslass Mismagius and Cobalion.</p>

<p>Cinccino has trouble sweeping when the opponents opponent's physical walls and faster scarf Choice Scarf holders can come in the halt the sweep. Powerful Choice Band users,[add comma] such as like Heracross and Victini,[add comma] can use their insanely powerful STAB attacks to weaken opposing walls for Cinccino. Krookodile is an exceptional teammate as it can fill both the role of a Ghostbuster and Steel killer, removing the pokemon Pokemon that cause Cinccino the most trouble. Unfortunately Krookodile shares a fighting type Fighting-type weakness with Krookodile,[add comma] so a bulky Ghost-[add hyphen] or Psychic-type should be paired with them to take fighting type Fighting-type attacks (Maybe add some examples?). Cinccino can also lend back some help, easily removing troublesome Substitute spammers,[add comma] like such as Froslass, Zapdos and Whimsicott, giving your team more freedom to switch around and outpredict the opponent.</p>

[Other Options]

<p>Unfortunately for Cinccino, its main STAB move has a frustrating 85% accuracy. If greater reliability is required, Cinccino has an alternative STAB in Return. However, Return is unboosted by Technician and doesn't keep attacking after breaking a Substitute,[add comma] so it is often the inferior choice. Speaking of choice, a choice Choice Scarf may seem to be a natural fit for the Scarf Pokemon,[add comma] but it unfortunately removes the power boost from Life Orb and only adds to Cinccino's Speed, a stat that is high enough already. A choice Choice Band set is the best option that Cinccino can run aside from the set already shown; a substantial boost to its attack scores Cinccino some extra KOs. However, Cinccino appreciates the ability to switch moves and abuse its excellent coverage, something which the choice Choice sets take away.</p><p>Like many Normal-types, Cinccino has access to a decent special movepool that include Thunderbolt and Focus Blast,[add comma] but lacks the stats to abuse it. You're better off just sticking to physical moves when it comes to using Cinccino.</p>

[Checks and Counters]

<p>Most defensively bulky Pokemon not hit super effectively by any of Cinccino's moves can easily counter it. Bulky Ghosts-[add hyphen]types, such as Cofagrigus and Dusclops,[add comma] get special mention,[add comma] as Cinccino's STAB moves pass straight through them. They can then proceed to Will-O-Wisp burn Cinccino with Will-O-Wisp, leaving it crippled and almost useless. Steelix is another Pokemon that takes pittance from any of Cinccino's moves,[add comma] even shrugging off multiple Wake-Up Slaps and can pound Cinccino with a STAB Gyro Ball.(I would also mention Registeel before Steelix, as it's more common and better) Bulky Fighting-[add hyphen]types can come in and live a couple of attacks before using their STAB moves to rearrange Cinccino's face. Sometimes, revenge killing Cinccino is the only option and although Cinccino is quite fast, most Choice Scarf users can outspeed it and KO Cinccino it.</p><p>Often you won't be seeing Cinccino until the endgame end of a game, when all its checks and counters have either been weakened or eliminated. So if Cinccino is seen in team preview, be careful to keep one of its checks or counters on high health, lest you be on the receiving end of Cinccino's wrath.</p>

[Dream World]

<p>If you thought Technician was good, just wait until Skill Link is released. With Skill Link, Cinccino's multi-hit moves can hit much more reliably, racking up five hits every time. Just be aware though, the boost to Wake-Up Slap no longer applies,[add comma] so Steel-[add hyphen]types can wall Cinccino even more.(maybe mention that its multi-hit moves a re reduced in power as well?)</p>


Ok, there's so many thing to adress. Just read this until next time.

GP Approved 1/2