We've sort of just ignored this for now, but we had that whole clause debate multiple times over the past generation. It was something that was on the table at the beginning of Generation IV, but then just forgotten about as tiering processes were tested instead. For Generation V, most competitive battles I've seen have been running with just sleep clause and species clause. However, we don't have this explicitly stated anywhere. I think it has just been assumed that we'll be starting mostly fresh while not grandfathering everything from the first generation in - especially with our view on Pokemon themselves. Would anyone be opposed to a simple poll like we had with Dream World on clauses? I'm thinking it could be set up like this: [ ] Start with Sleep Clause [ ] Start without Sleep Clause [ ] Start with Species Clause [ ] Start without Species Clause [ ] Start with OHKO Clause [ ] Start without OHKO Clause [ ] Start with Evasion Clause [ ] Start without Evasion Clause We can use 2/3 + 1 supermajority for any of the clauses to go through and be activated right from the beginning. You can vote for one of each category (and we'll leave it public to cut off people who mistakenly / trollingly vote for both options). We'll use checkboxes. 7 days for the poll maybe? I didn't really consult with anyone before this. It's just a proposal to get things done so if you have different ideas on how to settle it, please post! I think everyone is in agreement on Freeze Clause and Item Clause not being a part of the standard rules so that doesn't need a spot here. Self-KO Clause isn't so much as a clause as it is a tie-breaker so that's not here either.