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Clear Sky Discussion Thread - Hello It's Spring

Discussion in 'BW OU' started by Ojama, Mar 17, 2013.

  1. Darknut07


    Aug 5, 2011
    I've made it to the 20s with a weatherless team, which is the highest I've managed to reach this generation. Like people have mentioned earlier, sand hardly registers in my mind as weather because, with a few exceptions, it really doesn't give pokemon overpowering attacks. With Rain and Sun, the weatherless team has another advantage. No matter how hard people try to avoid it, Politoed and Ninetales are dead weight. They change the weather, try and hit hard or cripple with status, or help set-up but they really can't do much. So the weatherless team starts out effectively 6-5 against Sun and Rain. Then, its easy to plan ahead for these teams. When we start team-building, we think "I need to make sure I can take a boosted Hydro pump or flamethrower/flare blitz". And often these attacks are the most dangerous ones on these teams. This means, most teams already have these well covered. For weatherless teams, we can choose from a far greater range of moves and strategies to base our team around, and in a metagame where more pokemon are usable then any other, it's really difficult to counter every threat.
  2. Kidogo


    Feb 11, 2012
    I just want to say darknut, politoed is so so so not dead weight. Specs hpumps HURT (more powerful than specstios DM, and no drawback), scarftoed still packs a punch while revenging a ton of threats, and it actually has a super niftty support movepool (haze, psong, encore, refresh). Tales? Not so sure, I might be close to agreeing with you on that one (especially because of the horrid defensive typing).
  3. ShootingStarmie

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    Sep 3, 2011
    I have to agree with Kidogo here. I wouldn't say Politoed is dead weight, it's just outclassed as a bulky water type by Vapoureon and Milotic, and outclassed as an offensive water type by Starmie or Keldeo. However, his stats are still very good, and his support movepool isn't terrible either, which doesn't make him dead weight.

    Politoed IMHO, can run 3 sets effectively. It can be an early game wall breaker with Specs, it can be a decent revenge killer with a Scarf, and it can act as a Bulky Water given the correct EVs, nature, and Leftovers.

    TL;DR Politoed isn't bad.
  4. thenewguy24


    Mar 16, 2013
    Weatherless teams are most definitely not viable, they are just harder to play with and like the first post mentioned rain stall seems to be the only truly difficult team to play against in the hands of a good player. Abusing the core of tentacruel, jirachi, and ferro under the rain, decreasing damage from fire by 50% to ferro and rachi and tenta gaining 1/8 hp back every team, these teams are just hard to deal with. However, upon looking at the usage statistics for march you can clearly see stall is only used about 5% of the time. Weatherless teams have their advantages in that politoed and ninetales are terrible pokemon who wouldn't be in OU if not for their abilities. So in that regard you're essentially only dealing with 5 "true" threats, though some variants of the toad like specs/scarf can catch people off guard and deal some massive damage. Other than that these pokemon are easy to play around since they generally run the same sets. I have 1 team ranked in the top 10, two in the top 20, and another 2 in the top 50 right now all of which are weatherless.

    Here's a weatherless team that hit #3: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3480668

    Pokemon that stand out on weatherless teams are kyurem-b, breloom, kingdra, and lando-I. Mixed Sub Kyurem-b absolutely shits all over rain teams without a spec def ferro with his insane bul. He can come in on many rain favorites such as politoad, ferro (without gyro), rotom-w, etc. sub and beginning wrecking havoc with fusion bolt+ice beam+ whatever coverage you need. RP lando shits all over sun teams as it destroys a large portion of sun favorites and outspeed venasaur after a boost. With psychic, earth power, and hp ice, lando beats venasaur, ninetailes, heatran, any other rando chlorophyll user (sawsbuck, shiftry, etc.), victini, etc. Kingdra obviously can use rain teams rain against them and abuse his swift swim ability becoming a huge threat. Breloom obviously has spore, fighting moves and bullet seed for waters, ferro, and the ability to incapacitate a pokemon is just too beneficial to pass up. Sand teams are another story because ttar is legit and hes usually paired with his pet pony whom together form an outstanding offensive core. Breloom shines here with priority mach punch as does scizor being able to use ttar to scout with u turn or KO/deal massive damage with bullet punch.

    Teams I make now that are weatherless almost always have sub kyurem, terrak, and breloom. They form such an outstanding offensive core against weather teams especially if they arent running scizor. I'm always torn between lead terrak and sub salac terrak because lead terrak is such a good lead against sun and sand teams, but comes up short against rain. Sub salac can demolish all three if set up properly, yet that massive advantage gained on turn 1 if a sun team or sand team sends out their weather starter is hard to pass up. Another way to beat weather teams is to simply put hail on one of your pokes. Most players, when facing a weatherless team, play extremely loose with their weather setter as they believe their weather to up for the entirety of the game. Watch them ragequit when your starmie uses hail after ninetales has been disposed of, effectively making their venasaur useless.

    To finish it off, know common threats that EVERY weatherless team should be prepared for in someway. Scarf keldeo under the rain and venasaur under the sun are two such examples you should have checks/counters for, as while laddering you WILL run into these pokes multiple times. Good luck and happy battling with your clear skies teams

    PS thank god this thread got bumped as this is an interesting thread that should be discussed between us clear skies users on how to fully shit on all weather teams.
  5. Taylor

    Taylor i am alien
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    Dec 11, 2006
    So yeah, I'm using Life Orb Latios (Grass Knot/HP Fire/Psyshock Draco Meteor), Breloom and Scizor with SashTerra, Scarf Keldeo and unique U-turn / RP / HP Ice /Earth Power Landorus set. It doesn't abuse weather but it's good enough to play outside of it. I've had some success with it in testing.

    Lately I'm really enjoying three Pokemon who can resist Stealth Rock. I like how Terrakion/Breloom/Keldeo/Jirachi/Garchomp are workable together and you can use any three or more of these Pokémon and notice how much damage you save from Stealth Rock.

    I'm actually interested in how these teams have changed and evolved from when Deoxys-D was around.
  6. Fenris


    Mar 24, 2011
    Something I've learned to love is my Sweeper Nidoking. It does surprisingly well against rain teams thanks to Thunder (I used to run Thunderbolt, but switched to Thunder because of the (needed) added power); the only problem is that, when I use him against Politoeds, I have to gamble with the possibility of a sweeper kit, which pretty much 1HKO's him. It's also great against sunny teams thanks to Earth Power (for the fire types) and Flamethrower (for the plants). If I predict a switch to Baloon Heatran he eats an Ice beam to the face that leaves him pretty vulnerable for the rest f the match.

    I probably should make a topic in RMT, I love my Weatherless team for this gen <3 xD

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