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Clefable [4F]*
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Is a Belly Drum set viable on Clefable?
With Uxie's support (Dual Screens + Memento) plus Softboiled it could be devastating.
Also a set with Counter...Would it work?
I'm just saying this because it caugh my attention, but since you tested the sets I guess they didn't work that well...
With Uxie's support (Dual Screens + Memento) plus Softboiled it could be devastating.
Also a set with Counter...Would it work?
I'm just saying this because it caugh my attention, but since you tested the sets I guess they didn't work that well...
This is true in-game but not on shoddy.
I jhad a lot of problems with priority users in the testig phase of these sets, so I didn't find Belly Drum (either set) to be very beneficial. Those with priority were Donphan, Azumarill, Hitmontop, and any Sucker Punch users. I don't have a problem including any sets others have had success with, but I don't feel that I personally could write a great analysis because of my lack of success.
Thank you. I'll make a note of this, unless it has been changed in SB2.
Added some extra material, you could refer to it and add in on some of your paragraphs. Good job on this, I trusted the material on the set and added some of my opinions through experience with Clefable.
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<p>Clefable is a versatile Pokemon with plenty of support for each set. On the Toxic Orb Abuse set, Clefable enjoys having Ghost-types removed because they attempt to block your STAB move. Spiritomb in particular, is well versed enough to take Meteor Mash or Fire Blast from Clefable, and can take advantage of its ability Pressure to reduce Meteor Mash and Fire Blast's meager PP. From an offensive standpoint, Rotom can come in on Meteor Mash and start to set up with Charge Beam. As such, Pursuit users such as Absol, Drapion, and Spiritomb can help remove these Pokemon. At certain times, Absol and to a lesser extent, Drapion, will find itself helpless once they switch-in on a predicted Substitute or Thunderbolt from Rotom. As such, packing someone like Rotom or Mismagius can help lure in Shadow Ball from Rotom, helping both Absol and Drapion trap with much ease.</p>
<p>On the Encore set, entry hazards is required to take advantage of this rather exclusive move on Clefable. Donphan and Uxie are great candidates for utilizing Stealth Rock, because Donphan in particular is capable of scaring away alot of common Pokemon away with its STAB move, while Uxie is unusally fast, it can often set up on a majority of the Pokemon in UU who underestimate its above-average Speed. Keeping entry hazards on the field is not a walk in the park, because Rapid Spin users are quite popular in the UU metagame. Hitmontop and Donphan are one of the best users for Rapid Spin, therefore packing a defensive Mismagius and Rotom can help deal with these spinners. Mismagius and Rotom have Will-O-Wisp in its arsenal to foil their attempts to take Clefable down, allowing these Ghost-types to take their physical hits much easier. Despite crippling Hitmontop, it has Rest and Foreseight in its pocket to give Mismagius and Rotom a hard time, as such using Trick on Hitmontop limits its option from doing much.</p>
<p>On most of the sets, particulary offensive sets, Clefable falls under the same counters: faster Fighting-types. Milotic can handle a portion of the Fighting-types in the UU tier, and it can alternate between Recover and Surf to take them down eventually. On the Calm Mind set where its specially inclined, Chansey will trouble Clefable. Despite the fact that Clefable can possibly beat it, Chansey is highly capable of running down your PP by alternating between Seismic Toss and Softboiled or Wish - which usually ends up resulting to "PP war". Bringing in Fighting-types like Blaziken or Hariyama can usually scare it away with a STAB Fighting-type move. Swords Dance Blaziken functions well because it can set up on Chansey, forcing the player to switch to Milotic (Blaziken's common switch-in), which allows Blaziken to deliver the OHKO with Superpower. With Milotic gone, Clefable can use Calm Mind without worrying about Haze to remove its boosts.</p>
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<p>Clefable is a versatile Pokemon with plenty of support for each set. On the Toxic Orb Abuse set, Clefable enjoys having Ghost-types removed because they attempt to block your STAB move. Spiritomb in particular, is well versed enough to take Meteor Mash or Fire Blast from Clefable, and can take advantage of its ability Pressure to reduce Meteor Mash and Fire Blast's meager PP. From an offensive standpoint, Rotom can come in on Meteor Mash and start to set up with Charge Beam. As such, Pursuit users such as Absol, Drapion, and Spiritomb can help remove these Pokemon. At certain times, Absol and to a lesser extent, Drapion, will find itself helpless once they switch-in on a predicted Substitute or Thunderbolt from Rotom. As such, packing someone like Rotom or Mismagius can help lure in Shadow Ball from Rotom, helping both Absol and Drapion trap with much ease.</p>
<p>On the Encore set, entry hazards is required to take advantage of this rather exclusive move on Clefable. Donphan and Uxie are great candidates for utilizing Stealth Rock, because Donphan in particular is capable of scaring away alot of common Pokemon away with its STAB move, while Uxie is unusally fast, it can often set up on a majority of the Pokemon in UU who underestimate its above-average Speed. Keeping entry hazards on the field is not a walk in the park, because Rapid Spin users are quite popular in the UU metagame. Hitmontop and Donphan are one of the best users for Rapid Spin, therefore packing a defensive Mismagius and Rotom can help deal with these spinners. Mismagius and Rotom have Will-O-Wisp in its arsenal to foil their attempts to take Clefable down, allowing these Ghost-types to take their physical hits much easier. Despite crippling Hitmontop, it has Rest and Foreseight in its pocket to give Mismagius and Rotom a hard time, as such using Trick on Hitmontop limits its option from doing much.</p>
<p>On most of the sets, particulary offensive sets, Clefable falls under the same counters: faster Fighting-types. Milotic can handle a portion of the Fighting-types in the UU tier, and it can alternate between Recover and Surf to take them down eventually. On the Calm Mind set where its specially inclined, Chansey will trouble Clefable. Despite the fact that Clefable can possibly beat it, Chansey is highly capable of running down your PP by alternating between Seismic Toss and Softboiled or Wish - which usually ends up resulting to "PP war". Bringing in Fighting-types like Blaziken or Hariyama can usually scare it away with a STAB Fighting-type move. Swords Dance Blaziken functions well because it can set up on Chansey, forcing the player to switch to Milotic (Blaziken's common switch-in), which allows Blaziken to deliver the OHKO with Superpower. With Milotic gone, Clefable can use Calm Mind without worrying about Haze to remove its boosts.</p>
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Also, I'm wondering why Wish has a slash on this set. The whole point of this set is to set up while/until the opponent can hardly damage you then heal off damage and repeat. With Wish this is hardly possible. With Wish, any move that 3HKOes you while setting up is going to be a problem. You can mention Wish in the set comments, but Softboiled should be the only option on the set for sure.
Just popping in to say that a defensive Mismagius will take very little damage from the Mixed Clefable and can set up on it, so it really ought to be listed among the counters to that set (as well as a counter to pretty much any set where there is no Encore)
Thanks LN and Eo, I'll post these changes once I finish eating.
EDIT: Added.
I decided not to list the location of the statistics page, since people without an account still lurk the forums, and really won't have a hard time finding them (it's a sticky on the most popular subforum).
EDIT: Added.
I decided not to list the location of the statistics page, since people without an account still lurk the forums, and really won't have a hard time finding them (it's a sticky on the most popular subforum).
In the Encore set comments, you listed Swords Dance Sceptile as a Pokemon Clefable beats, but SubCM Mismagius is a better example because it's a lot more common and threatening, and Clefable actually does beat it. If Clefable comes in to Encore a Sceptile, then what it will Encore is +2 Life Orb Leaf Blades, which will hurt Clefable a lot (2HKO against Calm versions I think), dent almost anything coming in except Registeel and Altaria. SubCM Mismagius, on the other hand, is a top 6 Pokemon, and unboosted or even +1 HP Fighting does shit to Calm Clefable, and it's a big reason to use it over Chansey.
A couple things.
Flame Orb should be added as an option over Leftovers on the Encore set. Immunity to status, especially paralysis, is one of the major things that makes Encore Clefable hard to break. The Encore-Twave combo allows it to paralyze switch-ins, preventing them from ever setting up safely for the duration of the game as long as Clefable is alive. This goes out the window if Clefable is paralyzed too. Add a note that more dedicated wallish EVs (252/252 Calm) can easily afford to forego leftovers recovery with Softboiled. Flame Orb can also make Fighters reluctant to switch in, fearing Trick.
As well, I would emphasize how well Encore Clefable forces the opponent to give other Pokemon on your team free turns to set up. For example, very few opponents actually switch out Encored Mismagius from Clefable, knowing Clefable can't do anything to it behind a Sub, and not wanting to risk a switch-in to paralysis. Any physical attacker can set up on a CM, or anything on a NP or Sub, while Ghosts and x4 resists like Scyther can set up on HP Fighting, and Ground-types on T-bolt.
As a minor note, Careful should be used over Calm on all sets that use only Toss as an attacking move. It probably won't ever come into play, but Clefable will do slightly more damage with Struggle if it runs Careful.
Flame Orb should be added as an option over Leftovers on the Encore set. Immunity to status, especially paralysis, is one of the major things that makes Encore Clefable hard to break. The Encore-Twave combo allows it to paralyze switch-ins, preventing them from ever setting up safely for the duration of the game as long as Clefable is alive. This goes out the window if Clefable is paralyzed too. Add a note that more dedicated wallish EVs (252/252 Calm) can easily afford to forego leftovers recovery with Softboiled. Flame Orb can also make Fighters reluctant to switch in, fearing Trick.
As well, I would emphasize how well Encore Clefable forces the opponent to give other Pokemon on your team free turns to set up. For example, very few opponents actually switch out Encored Mismagius from Clefable, knowing Clefable can't do anything to it behind a Sub, and not wanting to risk a switch-in to paralysis. Any physical attacker can set up on a CM, or anything on a NP or Sub, while Ghosts and x4 resists like Scyther can set up on HP Fighting, and Ground-types on T-bolt.
As a minor note, Careful should be used over Calm on all sets that use only Toss as an attacking move. It probably won't ever come into play, but Clefable will do slightly more damage with Struggle if it runs Careful.
Even with 252/152 and Leftovers, Clefable isn't tanking max Atk Donphan spamming EQ, as it has to Softboiled every turn and will just fall to a crit, or at best, waste all of its precious Softboiled pp. It pretty much has to switch out no matter what spread it runs.
However, a 252/252 Calm spread allows it to switch in on and tank Timid Specs Alakazam's Psychic, among other things, which it couldn't do with 100 SpD EVs. (Switch in, paralyze, stall out with Softboiled - the chance of full paralysis outweighs the chance of a SpD drop or crit. Toss whenever you have an opening - three will KO). Of course my old example, Specs Yanmega Bug Buzz, won't be around much longer, but is basically identical (and a lot harder to wall for most teams).
This is all my reasoning, but if from your own personal experience 252/152/100 has served you unfailingly, I guess it's your call.
However, a 252/252 Calm spread allows it to switch in on and tank Timid Specs Alakazam's Psychic, among other things, which it couldn't do with 100 SpD EVs. (Switch in, paralyze, stall out with Softboiled - the chance of full paralysis outweighs the chance of a SpD drop or crit. Toss whenever you have an opening - three will KO). Of course my old example, Specs Yanmega Bug Buzz, won't be around much longer, but is basically identical (and a lot harder to wall for most teams).
This is all my reasoning, but if from your own personal experience 252/152/100 has served you unfailingly, I guess it's your call.
You should mention that Aromatherapy and Softboiled are illegal together, but Heal Bell is legal with everything. Perhaps in the Opinion section, next to where you explain the legality of Softboiled + Magic Guard.
It might be illegal with Wish too, but I'm not so sure.
It might be illegal with Wish too, but I'm not so sure.
found a few spelling / grammar mistakes in addition to some questionable advice (I don't mean necessarily bad advice, just stuff that I wouldn't personally put in -- so "questionable"). I don't know if I caught everything and I think it could use a few more checks.
<p>Clefable may be looked at as a poor man's Chansey, but this set works completely differently from the pink blob thanks to one move: Encore. Encore completely cripples stat boosters like Nasty Plot Mismagius, status inducers like Will-O-Wisp Spiritomb, and layers of entry hazards, like Froslass, Steelix, and Registeel.</p> (I don't think Froslass cares at all if you Encore it into Spikes; plus, it will just Taunt you first)
<p>Depending on how team-oriented you'd like Clefable to be, Softboiled and Wish are both great recovery options available to it. Seismic Toss provides consistent damage to everything (excluding Ghost-types) and is the best attack against walls, like Registeel. Thunder Wave spreads around status and lets Clefable's Encore cripple Pokemon later in the match much more easily. Aromatherapy lets Clefable be more of a team supporter, ridding your sweepers of all status effects. Flame Orb allows Clefable to evade status itself (the most notably being paralysis), while Leftovers provides extra recovery on top of your choice of recovery move.</p>
<p>Since Encore causes a lot of switches, entry hazards are great ways of racking up some free damage. Helpful Stealth Rock users include Donphan, Registeel, and Steelix (Clefable, too, if you can find a spot in its moveset). Donphan may be the best choice overall, since both of the Steel choices share a Fighting-type weakness with Clefable, and with Rapid Spinning Hitmontop on the loose, Close Combat isn't something you want to have a weakness to. Spikers include Frolass, Cloyster, and Omastar; again, be wary of stacking Fighting-type weaknesses. Toxic Spikes, though helpful in most other situations, isn't really welcome when Thunder Wave is part of the moveset, so it's best to omit it from your team strategy if this is the Clefable for your team.</p>
<p>Rapid Spinners, especially Foresight Hitmontop, pretty much wreck this set, the most notable being Hitmontop. Ghost-types like Mismagius and Spiritomb are great candidates to block the spins, though Foresight can cause problems. For this reason, it may be in your best interest to carry a speedy Pokemon with access to an attack that is super effective against Fighting-types (Flying or Psychic) to just remove Hitmontop from the equation altogether. Since Rapid Spin will be the move you switch in on, sweepers like Honchkrow and Espeon are fairly good decisions (uh, it would be optimal to switch in on a Foresight), although your counters should be able to take a Mach Punch and stay standing, as it's a featured move on nearly every Hitmontop.</p>
<p>Stalling is one of the big reasons to use Clefable over Chansey and Blissey. Immunity to entry hazards, immunity to status effects like poison and burn, and a reliable recovery move make Clefable one of the sturdiest walls in the game. Wish + Protect wastes two turns instead of the one Softboiled does, while Toxic slowly chips away at your opponent's HP. Cosmic Power increases both of Clefable's defenses, though puts you at risk for pseudo-Hazers. Seismic Toss provides a reliable attack on all Pokemon, excluding Ghost-types, of course. Aromatherapy is very useful, especially when your team is up against the likes of double status Rotom or a Toxic abuser. Safeguard is a great option should Thunder Waving Registeel or parafusion Lanturn try to hax you to death, though it should only be used when Toxic Spikes or another form of residual damage is on the field.</p> (Safeguard... really...)
EVs / nature for the Toxic Orb abuse set should be slashed (or something) because you're not using Fire Blast with 252 Atk Adamant.
<p>Froslass leads are intent on doing two things: setting up Spikes and Taunting their foe so they cannot set up themselves. Thankfully, either of Clefable's secondary attacks hits for super effective damage, taking down Froslass before it has time to set up more than two layers of Spikes (assuming it takes the time to Taunt Clefable after it Protects). (uh Froslass easily gets up two layers of Spikes against Clefable or it gets one and a Destiny Bond which makes the matchup rather unappealing; I wouldn't emphasize it here since you can't just assume it will Taunt you)</p>
<p>Ghost-types are typical switch-ins to Facading Clefable, so having something to counter Spiritomb, Rotom, and Dusknoir (???) is a very good idea. Absol and Drapion are good choices, as both have access to Pursuit. Absol also has Sucker Punch which can really screw with anything your opponent may switch in, though Drapion doesn’t share a Fighting-type weakness with Clefable like Absol does. Other Pokemon that pair well with this set are Ghost-types, Flying-types, and dedicated walls like Chansey and Registeel.</p>
<p>Clefable also opens itself up to status effects, the most crippling being paralysis and burn. A paralyzed Clefable not only has a 25% chance of not being able to attack (only on ShoddyBattle 1 due to a programming glitch), but also runs the risk of being 2HKOed due to bad prediction. Burn causes problems for Clefable as well(;) because of the 50% Attack reduction is the only problem, since Magic Guard nullifies the residual damage. Therefore, adding a status absorber like RestTalking Spiritomb or Milotic is encouraged, since they have nothing to fear from the effects of burn or paralysis.</p>
Uh why is Ice Beam (specifically) on the Flame Orb set? “It hits ghosts” but half of Clefable's attacks hit ghosts...
<p>This set tends to have troubles with Taunt users(,) like Ambipom and Absol, since up to three of its moves aren't attacks. Therefore, having a solid Fighting-type on your team to deal with such threats is recommended. Hitmonchan is able to hit both with a prioritized Mach Punch and packs Ice Punch for the rouge Gligar that float around. Other than these Pokemon, Chansey, Fire-types like Blaziken, and other counters listed in the other sets also need mentioned as possible counters.</p> (8.8% of Absol used Taunt and it would probably just Superpower you. Froslass uses taunt and renders the “pack a fighter” argument worthless. tbh I think you should just delete this paragraph because it just gives brain-dead obvious information)
<p>On most of the sets, particularly offensive sets, Clefable's counters falls under the same category: faster Fighting-types. Milotic can handle a portion of the Fighting-types in the UU tier, and it can alternate between Recover and Surf to eventually take them down. To combat Chansey who attempt to outstall Clefable (not sure how this happens), try pairing Clefable with Swords Dance Blaziken; it forcing the player to switch to Milotic (Blaziken's most common switch-in), which allows Blaziken to deliver the OHKO with Superpower, which can lure in and OHKO Milotic with a +2 Superpower.</p>
<p>Clefable also has a lot of other attacks that are more useful in the higher tiers. If you decide to use Clefable in OU, adding either Brick Break or Drain Punch to your moveset will help take down the powerful Tyranitar and Weavile. Likewise, adding Grass Knot will trip up the likes of Swampert and other heavy walls. The elemental punches are also viable. Ice Punch is the best choice to take down the Dragon-types in OU. ThunderPunch scares off Gyarados, but other than that it isn't very useful. All of the elemental punches, however, are outclassed by their special counterparts on all sets without Attack EVs invested. Counter, too, is a viable choice, since Clefable will be dealing with many stronger Pokemon in OU than UU, such as Salamence and Machamp.</p>
Clefable's physical attacks are next to worthless—don't mention them. If you're going to invest EVs you might as well take the advice of the paragraph and invest them in Special Attack.
Brick Break vs 0/0 Tyranitar: 176 Atk vs 256 Def & 341 HP (75 Base Power): 152 - 180 (44.57% - 52.79%)
-1 ThunderPunch vs 0/0 Gyarados: 117 Atk vs 194 Def & 331 HP (75 Base Power): 132 - 156 (39.88% - 47.13%)
<p>It should be noted that combining Aromatherapy and Softboiled is actually illegal; if you're attempting to use both on one set, substitute Heal Bell for Aromatherapy. Lastly, it should be noted that Softboiled and Magic Guard are legal together on one set. You can teach Clefairy Softboiled in the 3rd Generation; its ability may change upon evolving in a 4th Generation game.</p>
<p>Special attacking sets are best blocked by, you guessed it, Chansey. Although Encore can lead to an immediate switch out, there's really no way for Clefable to counter her, besides 2HKOing with boosted Focus Blasts (though there's a 30% chance of it missing each time). To a lesser extent, Regice also has enough Special Defense to cause a hiccup in Clefable's strategy, although this golem has big problems with super effective Fire Blasts.</p> (Chansey doesn't do anything to Clefable either)
<p>Clefable may be looked at as a poor man's Chansey, but this set works completely differently from the pink blob thanks to one move: Encore. Encore completely cripples stat boosters like Nasty Plot Mismagius, status inducers like Will-O-Wisp Spiritomb, and layers of entry hazards, like Froslass, Steelix, and Registeel.</p> (I don't think Froslass cares at all if you Encore it into Spikes; plus, it will just Taunt you first)
<p>Depending on how team-oriented you'd like Clefable to be, Softboiled and Wish are both great recovery options available to it. Seismic Toss provides consistent damage to everything (excluding Ghost-types) and is the best attack against walls, like Registeel. Thunder Wave spreads around status and lets Clefable's Encore cripple Pokemon later in the match much more easily. Aromatherapy lets Clefable be more of a team supporter, ridding your sweepers of all status effects. Flame Orb allows Clefable to evade status itself (the most notably being paralysis), while Leftovers provides extra recovery on top of your choice of recovery move.</p>
<p>Since Encore causes a lot of switches, entry hazards are great ways of racking up some free damage. Helpful Stealth Rock users include Donphan, Registeel, and Steelix (Clefable, too, if you can find a spot in its moveset). Donphan may be the best choice overall, since both of the Steel choices share a Fighting-type weakness with Clefable, and with Rapid Spinning Hitmontop on the loose, Close Combat isn't something you want to have a weakness to. Spikers include Frolass, Cloyster, and Omastar; again, be wary of stacking Fighting-type weaknesses. Toxic Spikes, though helpful in most other situations, isn't really welcome when Thunder Wave is part of the moveset, so it's best to omit it from your team strategy if this is the Clefable for your team.</p>
<p>Rapid Spinners, especially Foresight Hitmontop, pretty much wreck this set, the most notable being Hitmontop. Ghost-types like Mismagius and Spiritomb are great candidates to block the spins, though Foresight can cause problems. For this reason, it may be in your best interest to carry a speedy Pokemon with access to an attack that is super effective against Fighting-types (Flying or Psychic) to just remove Hitmontop from the equation altogether. Since Rapid Spin will be the move you switch in on, sweepers like Honchkrow and Espeon are fairly good decisions (uh, it would be optimal to switch in on a Foresight), although your counters should be able to take a Mach Punch and stay standing, as it's a featured move on nearly every Hitmontop.</p>
<p>Stalling is one of the big reasons to use Clefable over Chansey and Blissey. Immunity to entry hazards, immunity to status effects like poison and burn, and a reliable recovery move make Clefable one of the sturdiest walls in the game. Wish + Protect wastes two turns instead of the one Softboiled does, while Toxic slowly chips away at your opponent's HP. Cosmic Power increases both of Clefable's defenses, though puts you at risk for pseudo-Hazers. Seismic Toss provides a reliable attack on all Pokemon, excluding Ghost-types, of course. Aromatherapy is very useful, especially when your team is up against the likes of double status Rotom or a Toxic abuser. Safeguard is a great option should Thunder Waving Registeel or parafusion Lanturn try to hax you to death, though it should only be used when Toxic Spikes or another form of residual damage is on the field.</p> (Safeguard... really...)
EVs / nature for the Toxic Orb abuse set should be slashed (or something) because you're not using Fire Blast with 252 Atk Adamant.
<p>Froslass leads are intent on doing two things: setting up Spikes and Taunting their foe so they cannot set up themselves. Thankfully, either of Clefable's secondary attacks hits for super effective damage, taking down Froslass before it has time to set up more than two layers of Spikes (assuming it takes the time to Taunt Clefable after it Protects). (uh Froslass easily gets up two layers of Spikes against Clefable or it gets one and a Destiny Bond which makes the matchup rather unappealing; I wouldn't emphasize it here since you can't just assume it will Taunt you)</p>
<p>Ghost-types are typical switch-ins to Facading Clefable, so having something to counter Spiritomb, Rotom, and Dusknoir (???) is a very good idea. Absol and Drapion are good choices, as both have access to Pursuit. Absol also has Sucker Punch which can really screw with anything your opponent may switch in, though Drapion doesn’t share a Fighting-type weakness with Clefable like Absol does. Other Pokemon that pair well with this set are Ghost-types, Flying-types, and dedicated walls like Chansey and Registeel.</p>
<p>Clefable also opens itself up to status effects, the most crippling being paralysis and burn. A paralyzed Clefable not only has a 25% chance of not being able to attack (only on ShoddyBattle 1 due to a programming glitch), but also runs the risk of being 2HKOed due to bad prediction. Burn causes problems for Clefable as well(;) because of the 50% Attack reduction is the only problem, since Magic Guard nullifies the residual damage. Therefore, adding a status absorber like RestTalking Spiritomb or Milotic is encouraged, since they have nothing to fear from the effects of burn or paralysis.</p>
Uh why is Ice Beam (specifically) on the Flame Orb set? “It hits ghosts” but half of Clefable's attacks hit ghosts...
<p>This set tends to have troubles with Taunt users(,) like Ambipom and Absol, since up to three of its moves aren't attacks. Therefore, having a solid Fighting-type on your team to deal with such threats is recommended. Hitmonchan is able to hit both with a prioritized Mach Punch and packs Ice Punch for the rouge Gligar that float around. Other than these Pokemon, Chansey, Fire-types like Blaziken, and other counters listed in the other sets also need mentioned as possible counters.</p> (8.8% of Absol used Taunt and it would probably just Superpower you. Froslass uses taunt and renders the “pack a fighter” argument worthless. tbh I think you should just delete this paragraph because it just gives brain-dead obvious information)
<p>On most of the sets, particularly offensive sets, Clefable's counters falls under the same category: faster Fighting-types. Milotic can handle a portion of the Fighting-types in the UU tier, and it can alternate between Recover and Surf to eventually take them down. To combat Chansey who attempt to outstall Clefable (not sure how this happens), try pairing Clefable with Swords Dance Blaziken; it forcing the player to switch to Milotic (Blaziken's most common switch-in), which allows Blaziken to deliver the OHKO with Superpower, which can lure in and OHKO Milotic with a +2 Superpower.</p>
<p>Clefable also has a lot of other attacks that are more useful in the higher tiers. If you decide to use Clefable in OU, adding either Brick Break or Drain Punch to your moveset will help take down the powerful Tyranitar and Weavile. Likewise, adding Grass Knot will trip up the likes of Swampert and other heavy walls. The elemental punches are also viable. Ice Punch is the best choice to take down the Dragon-types in OU. ThunderPunch scares off Gyarados, but other than that it isn't very useful. All of the elemental punches, however, are outclassed by their special counterparts on all sets without Attack EVs invested. Counter, too, is a viable choice, since Clefable will be dealing with many stronger Pokemon in OU than UU, such as Salamence and Machamp.</p>
Clefable's physical attacks are next to worthless—don't mention them. If you're going to invest EVs you might as well take the advice of the paragraph and invest them in Special Attack.
Brick Break vs 0/0 Tyranitar: 176 Atk vs 256 Def & 341 HP (75 Base Power): 152 - 180 (44.57% - 52.79%)
-1 ThunderPunch vs 0/0 Gyarados: 117 Atk vs 194 Def & 331 HP (75 Base Power): 132 - 156 (39.88% - 47.13%)
<p>It should be noted that combining Aromatherapy and Softboiled is actually illegal; if you're attempting to use both on one set, substitute Heal Bell for Aromatherapy. Lastly, it should be noted that Softboiled and Magic Guard are legal together on one set. You can teach Clefairy Softboiled in the 3rd Generation; its ability may change upon evolving in a 4th Generation game.</p>
<p>Special attacking sets are best blocked by, you guessed it, Chansey. Although Encore can lead to an immediate switch out, there's really no way for Clefable to counter her, besides 2HKOing with boosted Focus Blasts (though there's a 30% chance of it missing each time). To a lesser extent, Regice also has enough Special Defense to cause a hiccup in Clefable's strategy, although this golem has big problems with super effective Fire Blasts.</p> (Chansey doesn't do anything to Clefable either)