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Cofagrigus (QC 2/2) (GP 2/2)

Discussion in 'Uploaded Analyses' started by Dragonking700, Mar 26, 2012.

  1. Dragonking700

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    This is the first time I've done this, so let me know if I'm doing something wrong :P


    [Overview]

    <p>Looking at Cofagrigus, one might wonder why it isn't more popular as a Trick Room user. It has low Speed, amazing defenses, and fewer weaknesses than other Trick Room users, such as Cresselia, Reuniclus, and Jellicent. However, in the VGC 2012 metagame, Cofagrigus is overshadowed by Dusknoir and Dusclops, two similar Pokemon that possess both higher defenses and superior movepools. Furthermore, many players prefer using Chandelure or Jellicent to set up Trick Room, as they can sweep more effectively with their dual STAB moves. In truth, the only reason to use Cofagrigus over its competitors would be its unique ability, Mummy, which can cripple the likes of Scizor, Conkeldurr, and Heracross, who rely on their abilities to do anything of note.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Trick Room
    move 1: Trick Room
    move 2: Will-O-Wisp
    move 3: Shadow Ball
    move 4: Protect / Hidden Power Fighting
    item: Mental Herb / Lum Berry
    nature: Sassy
    evs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
    ivs: 0 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Its pure Ghost typing gives Cofagrigus an immunity to Fake Out. This, combined with Cofagrigus's immense bulk, almost guarantees that it will be able to set up Trick Room on turn one. Will-O-Wisp takes care of physical attackers that would normally pose a threat to Cofagrigus, most notably Tyranitar. Shadow Ball is Cofagrigus's best attacking move, and does a decent amount of damage to Pokemon such as Latios and Cresselia. Protect can come in handy to avoid an obvious super effective attack while Cofagrigus's ally attacks or sets up. On the other hand, Hidden Power Fighting allows Cofagrigus to dent the Dark- and Steel-type Pokemon that give it trouble.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>A Sassy nature and maximum Special Defense EVs nearly even out Cofagrigus's defenses, allowing it to survive strong super effective attacks, such as Shadow Balls from Chandelure and Gengar. As Cofagrigus's only real strength is setting up Trick Room, any item that makes this easier is a viable option. Mental Herb is the best item for Cofagrigus, as it is an obvious target for Taunt. However, Spore and Sleep Powder also hamper its ability to set up Trick Room, making Lum Berry a viable option if you are afraid of Amoonguss, Breloom, or Venusaur ruining Cofagrigus's day. A Kasib or a Colbur Berry can be used to weaken Ghost- or Dark-type attacks, respectively, such as Choice Specs boosted attacks from Chandelure or Hydreigon. A Sitrus Berry can also help Cofagrigus stick around for longer, especially if it has Fake Out support to stop incapacitating moves, such as Taunt and Spore. Finally, Hidden Power Fire and Ice are both good options to use in place of Hidden Power Fighting, depending on the needs of your team.</p>

    <p>Pokemon with Fake Out and the ability to hit Ghost-, Dark-, Normal-, and Steel-types super effectively, such as Scrafty and Hitmontop, are ideal partners to Cofagrigus. Follow Me and Rage Powder users can also aid Cofagrigus in setting up Trick Room by redirecting super effective attacks away from it. Lastly, Amoonguss is a great partner, as it has low Speed to work well in Trick Room, as well as the ability to reliably put opponents to sleep with Spore.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Cofagrigus can run a more offensive Trick Room set with Calm Mind or Nasty Plot to boost its Special Attack, and with Hidden Power Fighting over Protect. Unfortunately, Cofagrigus's shallow movepool, along with its lack of secondary STAB, makes this option very unattractive, especially in such a fast-paced metagame. When Trick Room is in play, Cofagrigus can effectively use Disable to lock an opponent out of an attack; this can potentially remove a huge threat to your team or force Choice-locked Pokemon to Struggle or switch out. Cofagrigus has access to Destiny Bond and Memento, but those moves are better left to faster, frailer Pokemon that can make better use of their effects. Toxic is an option to cripple bulkier Pokemon such as Suicune or Blissey, but Will-O-Wisp is the more useful support move as it cripples physical attackers such as Tyranitar, who give Cofagrigus trouble. Finally, although Cofagrigus is bulky enough to run a ChestoRest set, this is often best left to other Pokemon as Cofagrigus's sole purpose is to set up Trick Room.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Even if Cofagrigus runs Hidden Power Fighting, Tyranitar is a serious threat as it can can OHKO Cofagrigus with a Dark Gem- or Choice Band-boosted Crunch. However, Tyranitar should be wary of Will-O-Wisp, which will leave it pretty much useless. Chandelure and Gengar can OHKO Cofagrigus with a Ghost Gem or Choice Specs attack, and can also use Imprison to prevent the use of Shadow Ball and Trick Room. Hydreigon can hit Cofagrigus hard with a Life Orb or Dark Gem Dark Pulse while taking little damage from Shadow Ball. Alternatively, bulky variants of Hydreigon can set up Substitute to block Will-O-Wisp, and then wreak havoc on your team. Houndoom, while very uncommon in the VGC 2012 metagame, completely walls all Cofagrigus that lack Hidden Power Fighting. Houndoom can also nab a Flash Fire boost from Will-O-Wisp and hit Cofagrigus hard with STAB Dark Pulse or Sucker Punch. In general, as Fire-type Pokemon are immune to Will-O-Wisp, any physical Fire-type sweeper, such as Infernape, Arcanine, or Darmanitan can potentially cause Cofagrigus trouble. Moreover, while Mental Herb can allow Cofagrigus to evade Taunt once and set up Trick Room, the opponent can Taunt a second time to block Will-O-Wisp and leave Cofagrigus helpless.</p>
  2. Dragonking700

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    Ready for QC! (Is there anything else I need to do? Sorry for being a n00b haha... :P)
  3. R Inanimate

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    Some changes to make:

    -I believe most Pokemon with levitate do not run any contact attacks, and thus won't lose it to Mummy. I think the most notable example that Mummy will work against and has some relevance would be against Scizor.

    -give mention to why you have chosen to use the given EV spread in the AC

    -Follow Me/Rage Powder users also make good partners for setting up Trick Room, and can allow you to be less focused on trying to get setup on Turn 1

    Also, I suppose you can edit the title to say that it's now in the QC phase, by adding in the Quality Control prefix
  4. Dragonking700

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    Okay, changes made :)
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    The main reason he isn't used much is direct competition with Dusclops and Dusknoir, who have the same purpose of just reliably setting up TR and not going out on the offense themselves (unlike Chandelure and Jellicent). Both Dus have better special bulk (Dusclops also has better physical bulk), and both have Helping Hand, which is generally more useful than Protect / HP Fighting.
  6. Dragonking700

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    Aaah, totally forget about Dusknoir/Dusclops :P Thanks, I'll put that in there...
  7. gec

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    For a first time, this is pretty good. Nice stuff.

    Counters needs a little work. Mention Hydreigon as a big counter, it can hit tremendously hard with a Life Orb Dark Pulse, sometimes it goes bulky with Substitute and can easily set one up in front of Cofagrigus blocking WoW and taking nothing from Shadow Ball. This is especially dangerous as a Hydreigon behind a sub is a scary Pokemon to face, especially with a good amount of Trick Room teams being part Ghost/Psychic. Generally, fire-types make good checks due to WoW immunity, so give Volcarona a mention. Houndoom, while being an obscure Pokemon, 100% counters the standard set when not running HP Fighting. Base 30 speed is good for TR but mention how Taunt can make Cofagrigus into an extremely weak attacker.

    QC 1/2
  8. Dragonking700

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    Thanks :)
    Cleaned up the Counters section, added Hydreigon, Fire-types, Houndoom...
    Cofagrigus really needs Fighting-type support...I think Hidden Power Fighting or a Fighting-type partner is basically mandatory.
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    Since Volcarona is special-based, if it could be burned it wouldn't really do anything. I'd replace the mention of Volcarona with Arcanine, Darmanitan, and Infernape in that respective comment.
  10. Dragonking700

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    Good point, thanks.
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    I think you can add Disable into the OO. As Cofagrigus will outrun most things after using Trick Room, it can use Disable to lock down one of the opponent's attacks, potentially preventing the Pokemon from acting on a turn if they used the same attack twice in a row.

    Aside from that, this looks good.
    QC 2/2
  12. Dragonking700

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    All right, added Disable to OO.

    Thanks! I will probably write this up tomorrow.

    Edit: Okay, ready for GP now!
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  14. Dragonking700

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    Thanks! :)
    Implemented all of your suggestions...also changed a few other minor mistakes.
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    This is pretty good for your first analysis but here are some grammar tips to help you out.
    -A type followed by the word typing never has a hyphen (Ghost typing, not Ghost-typing)
    -“Can” is preferred over “could”
    -All instances of “like” should be replaced with “such as” or variations of that.
    -Try writing your analysis in Microsoft Word before you post it, and spell check it. This gets rid of common spelling mistakes.

    For more help with common grammar mistakes visit this link.

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    [Overview]

    <p>Looking at Cofagrigus, one may wonder why it isn't more popular as a Trick Room user. It has low Speed, amazing defenses, and fewer weaknesses than other Trick Room users such as Cresselia, Reuniclus, and Jellicent. However, in the VGC 2012 metagame, Cofagrigus falls in the shadows of Dusknoir and Dusclops, two Pokemon that are very similar to it yet possess higher defenses and superior movepools. Many players prefer using Chandelure or Jellicent to set up Trick Room, as they can sweep more effectively with their dual STAB moves. In truth, the only reason to use Cofagrigus over its competitors would be its unique ability, Mummy, which can cripple Pokemon such as Scizor that rely on their abilities to do anything of note.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Trick Room
    move 1: Trick Room
    move 2: Will-O-Wisp
    move 3: Shadow Ball
    move 4: Protect / Hidden Power Fighting
    item: Mental Herb / Lum Berry
    ability: Mummy
    nature: Sassy
    evs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
    ivs: 0 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>A pure Ghost typing gives Cofagrigus an immunity to Fake Out. This immunity, combined with Cofagrigus's immense bulk, almost guarantees that it be able to set up Trick Room on turn 1. Will-O-Wisp takes care of physical attackers that would normally pose a threat to Cofagrigus, most notably Tyranitar. Shadow ball is Cofagrigus's best attacking move, doing a decent amount of damage to Pokemon such as Latios and Cresselia. Protect can come in handy in some situations to avoid an obvious super effective attack while Cofagrigus's ally attacks or sets up. On the other hand, Hidden Power Fighting allows Cofagrigus to dent the Dark- and Steel-type Pokemon that give it trouble. Mental Herb is the best item for Cofagrigus, as it is an obvious target for Taunt. However, Spore and Sleep Powder also hamper its ability to set up Trick room, making Lum Berry a viable option if you are afraid of Amoongus, Breloom, or Venusaur ruining your day.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>A Sassy Nature and maximum Special Defense EVs even out Cofagrigus's defenses, allowing it to survive strong super-effective attacks. Since Cofagrigus's only real strength is setting up Trick Room, any item that makes this easier is a viable option. A Kasib or Colbur Berry can be used to remove the threat of an OHKO from Ghost- and Dark-type attacks, respectively. Sitrus Berry can also be used to help Cofagrigus stick around longer, especially if it has Fake Out support to stop incapacitating moves, such as Taunt or Spore. A different Hidden Power type, such as Fire or Ice, can be used in place of Fighting depending on the needs of your team.</p>

    <p>Any Pokemon with Fake Out and the ability to hit Ghost-, Dark-, Normal-, and Steel-types super effectively is a big help to Cofagrigus, making Scafty and Hitmontop ideal partners. Follow Me and Rage Powder users can also aid Cofagrigus in setting up Trick Room by redirecting super effective attacks away from it. Amoongus is a great partner, as it has low Speed as well as the added bonus of being able to reliably put opponents to sleep with Spore.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Cofagrigus can run a more offensive Trick Room set with Calm Mind or Nasty Plot to boost its Special Attack and with Hidden Power Fighting over Protect. Unfortunately, Cofagrigus's shallow movepool and lack of a secondary STAB make this option very unattractive, especially in such a fast-paced metagame as the VGC 2012. When Trick Room is in play, Cofagrigus can effectively use Disable to lock down an opponent's attack, potentially removing a huge threat to your team, as well as forcing Choice-locked Pokemon to Struggle or switch out. Cofagrigus has access to Destiny Bond and Memento, but those moves are better left to faster, frailer Pokemon who can make better use of their effects. Toxic is an option, but Will-O-Wisp is more useful as a support move as it cripples physical attackers that give Cofagrigus trouble, such as Tyranitar. Finally, although Cofagrigus is bulky enough to run a ChestoRest set, this is often best left to other Pokemon as Cofagrigus's sole purpose is to set up Trick Room.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Even with Hidden Power Fighting, Tyranitar is a serious threat, and can OHKO Cofagrigus with a Dark Gem or Choice Band boosted Crunch. However, Tyranitar should be wary of Will-O-Wisp, which will leave it pretty much useless. Chandelure and Gengar can OHKO Cofagrigus with a Ghost Gem or Choice Specs boosted attack, and can also use Imprison to block Shadow Ball and Trick Room. Hydreigon is another check, as it can hit Cofagrigus hard with a Life Orb or Dark Gem boosted Dark Pulse while taking little damage from Shadow Ball. Hydreigon can also go bulky and set up a Substitute to block Will-O-Wisp and then wreak havoc on your team. Houndoom, while very uncommon in the VGC 2012 metagame, completely walls all Cofagrigus that lack Hidden Power Fighting. Houndoom can also absorb Will-O-Wisp, nab a Flash Fire boost, and hit Cofagrigus hard with STAB Dark Pulse or Sucker Punch. Needless to say, Fighting-type support is vital for Cofagrigus, as without it he will quickly fall prey to most Dark-type Pokemon. Fire-type Pokemon are immune to Will-O-Wisp, so any physical Fire-type sweeper such as Infernape, Arcanine or Darmanitan can potentially cause Cofagrigus trouble. Also, while Cofagrigus has Mental Herb to prevent Taunt from stopping Trick Room, all an opponent has to do is use Taunt a second time to block Will-O-Wisp, turning Cofagrigus into an extremely weak attacker.</p>


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    GP 1/2

    EDIT: Make sure to change the thread title to Cofagrigus (QC 2/2) (GP 1/2). 0/0 makes it seem like you need no GP checks...
  16. Dragonking700

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    Wow, how did I not notice the (0/0)....lol XD
    ("Supper-effective" also made me lol :P)
    Thanks for the check, I'll remember all your suggestions in the future. :)
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    I'm done with this. To the person that looks over/stamps this, you should probably look over the check super duper super duper thoroughly, or request a third check. I likely missed a lot of things cause there was a bunch to correct :(
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    [Overview]

    <p>Looking at Cofagrigus, one might wonder why it isn't more popular as a Trick Room user. It has low Speed, amazing defenses, and fewer weaknesses than other Trick Room users, such as Cresselia, Reuniclus, and Jellicent. However, in the VGC 2012 metagame, Cofagrigus is overshadowed by Dusknoir and Dusclops, two similar Pokemon that possess both higher defenses and superior movepools. Furthermore, many players prefer using Chandelure or Jellicent to set up Trick Room, as they can sweep more effectively with their dual STAB moves. In truth, the only reason to use Cofagrigus over its competitors would be its unique ability, Mummy, which can cripple the likes of Scizor (and? give one or two more examples), who rely on their abilities to do anything of note.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Trick Room
    move 1: Trick Room
    move 2: Will-O-Wisp
    move 3: Shadow Ball
    move 4: Protect / Hidden Power Fighting
    item: Mental Herb / Lum Berry
    nature: Sassy
    evs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
    ivs: 0 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Its pure Ghost typing gives Cofagrigus an immunity to Fake Out. This, combined with Cofagrigus's immense bulk, almost guarantees that it will be able to set up Trick Room on turn one. Will-O-Wisp takes care of physical attackers that would normally pose a threat to Cofagrigus, most notably Tyranitar. Shadow Ball is Cofagrigus's best attacking move, and does a decent amount of damage to Pokemon such as Latios and Cresselia. Protect can come in handy to avoid an obvious super effective attack while Cofagrigus's ally attacks or sets up. On the other hand, Hidden Power Fighting allows Cofagrigus to dent the Dark- and Steel-type Pokemon that give it trouble.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>A Sassy nature and maximum Special Defense EVs nearly even out Cofagrigus's defenses, allowing it to survive strong super effective attacks (provide examples if possible). As Cofagrigus's only real strength is setting up Trick Room, any item that makes this easier is a viable option. Mental Herb is the best item for Cofagrigus, as it is an obvious target for Taunt. However, Spore and Sleep Powder also hamper its ability to set up Trick Room, making Lum Berry a viable option if you are afraid of Amoonguss, Breloom, or Venusaur ruining Cofagrigus's day. A Kasib or a Colbur Berry can be used to weaken Ghost- or Dark-type attacks, respectively (again, any specific notable examples?). A Sitrus Berry can also help Cofagrigus stick around for longer, especially if it has Fake Out support to stop incapacitating moves, such as Taunt and Spore. Finally, Hidden Power Fire and Ice are both good options to use in place of Hidden Power Fighting, depending on the needs of your team.</p>

    <p>Pokemon with Fake Out and the ability to hit Ghost-, Dark-, Normal-, and Steel-types super effectively, such as Scrafty and Hitmontop, are ideal partners to Cofagrigus. Follow Me and Rage Powder users can also aid Cofagrigus in setting up Trick Room by redirecting super effective attacks away from it. Lastly, Amoonguss is a great partner, as it has low Speed to work well in Trick Room, as well as the ability to reliably put opponents to sleep with Spore.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Cofagrigus can run a more offensive Trick Room set with Calm Mind or Nasty Plot to boost its Special Attack, and with Hidden Power Fighting over Protect. Unfortunately, Cofagrigus's shallow movepool, along with its lack of secondary STAB, makes this option very unattractive, especially in such a fast-paced metagame. When Trick Room is in play, Cofagrigus can effectively use Disable to lock an opponent out of an attack; this can potentially remove a huge threat to your team or force Choice-locked Pokemon to Struggle or switch out. Cofagrigus has access to Destiny Bond and Memento, but those moves are better left to faster, frailer Pokemon that can make better use of their effects. Toxic is an option to cripple bulkier Pokemon (such as?), but Will-O-Wisp is the more useful support move as it cripples physical attackers such as Tyranitar, who give Cofagrigus trouble. Finally, although Cofagrigus is bulky enough to run a ChestoRest set, this is often best left to other Pokemon as Cofagrigus's sole purpose is to set up Trick Room.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Even if Cofagrigus runs Hidden Power Fighting, Tyranitar is a serious threat as it can can OHKO Cofagrigus with a Dark Gem- or Choice Band-boosted Crunch. However, Tyranitar should be wary of Will-O-Wisp, which will leave it pretty much useless. Chandelure and Gengar can OHKO Cofagrigus with a Ghost Gem or Choice Specs attack, and can also use Imprison to prevent the use of Shadow Ball and Trick Room. Hydreigon can hit Cofagrigus hard with a Life Orb or Dark Gem Dark Pulse while taking little damage from Shadow Ball. Alternatively, bulky variants of Hydreigon can set up Substitute to block Will-O-Wisp, and then wreak havoc on your team. Houndoom, while very uncommon in the VGC 2012 metagame, completely walls all Cofagrigus that lack Hidden Power Fighting. Houndoom can also nab a Flash Fire boost from Will-O-Wisp and hit Cofagrigus hard with STAB Dark Pulse or Sucker Punch. In general, as Fire-type Pokemon are immune to Will-O-Wisp, any physical Fire-type sweeper, such as Infernape, Arcanine, or Darmanitan can potentially cause Cofagrigus trouble. Moreover, while Mental Herb can allow Cofagrigus to evade Taunt once and set up Trick Room, the opponent can Taunt a second time to block Will-O-Wisp and leave Cofagrigus helpless.</p>


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    some comments, for both the writer and the amcheckers:

    • Watch spelling of things like Scrafty and Amoonguss; if you're not sure, look it up (smogon.com/bw/pokemon/)
    • might > may; may has connotations of permission
    • because / as > since; since implies time (ie. since RBY)
    other than that, good job guys, and well done on finishing your first analysis Dragonking700 :)
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    Yay! Thanks, and sorry for all the trouble.
    I'll be sure to pay attention to all the standards text time :P
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