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CAP 9 Colossoil Playtesting

Discussion in 'CAP Process Archive' started by DougJustDoug, Nov 11, 2009.

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  1. DougJustDoug

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    Colossoil is live on the CAP Server!

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    (Thanks to cyberzero for getting a good screenshot for me!)

    The inaugural battle was fought between Plus and Deck Knight, with DK coming out victorious by utilizing a Stallrein team that beat Plus 2-0. It was a fun battle to watch!

    This thread will serve as home base for all playtesting results and comments. If you post battle logs or long excerpts, please use hide tags, or code tags please.

    I look forward to seeing how Colossoil performs!
  2. Wombat Sky Forme

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    YES!

    Sleeping now, DEFINITELY making a team tomorrow.

    Great job!
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    cool, sprite looks good

    unlike others im not going to do any playtesting at all and ill save my energy for the tournament after playtesting is over. knock yourself out guys ;)
  4. TheMantyke

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    It was a fun match to watch. I think everyone was baffled when they saw the Walrus beat the Narwhal.

    For those who missed it, I have most of the battle saved, with the exception of the first opening attacks. Here's the log.
    Code:
    TheMantyke has entered the room.
    ptc has entered the room.
    Onii has entered the room.
    The_Reaper has entered the room.
    Empoleon67 has entered the room.
    Deck Knight switched in Starmie (lvl 100 Starmie).
    Plus switched in Metagross (lvl 100 Metagross).
    tennisace has entered the room.
    Starmie used Surf.
    Metagross lost 38% of its health.
    Metagross used Explosion.
    Starmie lost 100% of its health.
    Deck Knight's Starmie fainted.
    Plus's Metagross fainted.
    The hail continues to fall.
    ---
    Ria has entered the room.
    Deck Knight switched in Forretress (lvl 100 Forretress ?).
    Plus switched in Infernape (lvl 100 Infernape ?).
    HD has entered the room.
    Deck Knight switched in Gliscor (lvl 100 Gliscor ?).
    Infernape used U-turn.
    It's not very effective...
    Gliscor lost 8% of its health.
    Plus switched in Starmie (lvl 100 Starmie).
    The hail continues to fall.
    Starmie is pelted by hail!
    Starmie lost 6% of its health.
    Gliscor is pelted by hail!
    Gliscor lost 6% of its health.
    Gliscor's leftovers restored its health a little!
    Gliscor restored 6% of its health.
    ---
    Fuzznip has entered the room.
    Deck Knight switched in Blissey (lvl 100 Blissey ?).
    Starmie used Ice Beam.
    Blissey lost 10% of its health.
    Starmie lost 10% of its health.
    The hail continues to fall.
    Starmie is pelted by hail!
    Starmie lost 6% of its health.
    Blissey is pelted by hail!
    Blissey lost 6% of its health.
    Blissey's leftovers restored its health a little!
    Blissey restored 6% of its health.
    ---
    Vleeter has entered the room.
    Macle has left the room.
    DougJustDoug has entered the room.
    Plus switched in Colossoil (lvl 100 Colossoil ?).
    Blissey used Seismic Toss.
    Colossoil lost 25% of its health.
    The hail continues to fall.
    Colossoil is pelted by hail!
    Colossoil lost 6% of its health.
    Blissey is pelted by hail!
    Blissey lost 6% of its health.
    Blissey's leftovers restored its health a little!
    Blissey restored 6% of its health.
    ---
    Plus: HERE WE GO
    Deck Knight switched in Gliscor (lvl 100 Gliscor ?).
    Colossoil used Earthquake.
    It doesn't affect Gliscor...
    The hail continues to fall.
    Gliscor is pelted by hail!
    Gliscor lost 6% of its health.
    Colossoil is pelted by hail!
    Colossoil lost 6% of its health.
    Gliscor's leftovers restored its health a little!
    Gliscor restored 6% of its health.
    ---
    Naxte has entered the room.
    Plus switched in Gyarados (lvl 100 Gyarados ?).
    Gyarados's Intimidate cut Gliscor's attack!
    Gliscor used Stealth Rock.
    Pointed stones float in the air around the foe's team!
    The hail continues to fall.
    Gliscor is pelted by hail!
    Gliscor lost 6% of its health.
    Gyarados is pelted by hail!
    Gyarados lost 6% of its health.
    Gliscor's leftovers restored its health a little!
    Gliscor restored 6% of its health.
    ---
    Deck Knight switched in Walrein (lvl 100 Walrein ?).
    Gyarados used Dragon Dance.
    Gyarados's attack was raised.
    Gyarados's speed was raised.
    The hail continues to fall.
    Gyarados is pelted by hail!
    Gyarados lost 6% of its health.
    Walrein absorbed the hail!
    ---
    Gyarados used Dragon Dance.
    Gyarados's attack was raised.
    Gyarados's speed was raised.
    Walrein used Substitute.
    Walrein lost 25% of its health.
    Walrein made a substitute!
    The hail continues to fall.
    Gyarados is pelted by hail!
    Gyarados lost 6% of its health.
    Walrein absorbed the hail!
    Walrein restored 6% of its health.
    Walrein's leftovers restored its health a little!
    Walrein restored 6% of its health.
    ---
    Walrein used Protect.
    Walrein protected itself!
    Gyarados used Earthquake.
    Walrein protected itself!
    The hail continues to fall.
    Gyarados is pelted by hail!
    Gyarados lost 6% of its health.
    Walrein absorbed the hail!
    Walrein restored 6% of its health.
    Walrein's leftovers restored its health a little!
    Walrein restored 6% of its health.
    ---
    Gyarados used Earthquake.
    The substitute took damage for Walrein!
    Walrein's substitute faded!
    Walrein used Substitute.
    Walrein lost 25% of its health.
    Walrein made a substitute!
    The hail continues to fall.
    Gyarados is pelted by hail!
    Gyarados lost 6% of its health.
    Walrein absorbed the hail!
    Walrein restored 6% of its health.
    Walrein's leftovers restored its health a little!
    Walrein restored 6% of its health.
    ---
    Walrein used Protect.
    Walrein protected itself!
    Gyarados used Earthquake.
    Walrein protected itself!
    The hail continues to fall.
    Gyarados is pelted by hail!
    Gyarados lost 6% of its health.
    Walrein absorbed the hail!
    Walrein restored 6% of its health.
    Walrein's leftovers restored its health a little!
    Walrein restored 6% of its health.
    ---
    Gyarados used Earthquake.
    The substitute took damage for Walrein!
    Walrein's substitute faded!
    Walrein used Substitute.
    Walrein lost 25% of its health.
    Walrein made a substitute!
    The hail continues to fall.
    Gyarados is pelted by hail!
    Gyarados lost 6% of its health.
    Walrein absorbed the hail!
    Walrein restored 6% of its health.
    Walrein's leftovers restored its health a little!
    Walrein restored 6% of its health.
    ---
    Walrein used Protect.
    Walrein protected itself!
    Gyarados used Earthquake.
    Walrein protected itself!
    The hail continues to fall.
    Gyarados is pelted by hail!
    Gyarados lost 6% of its health.
    Walrein absorbed the hail!
    Walrein restored 6% of its health.
    Walrein's leftovers restored its health a little!
    Walrein restored 6% of its health.
    ---
    Gyarados used Earthquake.
    A critical hit!
    The substitute took damage for Walrein!
    Walrein's substitute faded!
    Walrein used Substitute.
    Walrein lost 25% of its health.
    Walrein made a substitute!
    The hail continues to fall.
    Gyarados is pelted by hail!
    Gyarados lost 6% of its health.
    Walrein absorbed the hail!
    Walrein restored 6% of its health.
    Walrein's leftovers restored its health a little!
    Walrein restored 6% of its health.
    ---
    xdevo14 has entered the room.
    Plus switched in Colossoil (lvl 100 Colossoil ?).
    Pointed stones dug into Colossoil.
    Colossoil lost 6% of its health.
    Walrein used Protect.
    Walrein protected itself!
    The hail continues to fall.
    Colossoil is pelted by hail!
    Colossoil lost 6% of its health.
    Walrein absorbed the hail!
    Walrein restored 6% of its health.
    Walrein's leftovers restored its health a little!
    Walrein restored 6% of its health.
    ---
    Colossoil used Taunt.
    Walrein fell for the taunt!
    Walrein used Brine.
    It's super effective!
    Colossoil lost 51% of its health.
    Plus's Colossoil fainted.
    The hail continues to fall.
    Walrein absorbed the hail!
    ---
    Plus switched in Gyarados (lvl 100 Gyarados ?).
    Pointed stones dug into Gyarados.
    Gyarados lost 25% of its health.
    Gyarados used Earthquake.
    The substitute took damage for Walrein!
    Walrein's substitute faded!
    Walrein used Brine.
    It's not very effective...
    Gyarados lost 21% of its health.
    Plus's Gyarados fainted.
    The hail continues to fall.
    Walrein absorbed the hail!
    ---
    Plus switched in Infernape (lvl 100 Infernape ?).
    Pointed stones dug into Infernape.
    Infernape lost 12% of its health.
    Infernape used Close Combat.
    It's super effective!
    A critical hit!
    Walrein lost 100% of its health.
    Deck Knight's Walrein fainted.
    Infernape's defence was lowered.
    Infernape's special defence was lowered.
    The hail continues to fall.
    Infernape is pelted by hail!
    Infernape lost 6% of its health.
    ---
    Deck Knight switched in Gliscor (lvl 100 Gliscor ?).
    Maris has entered the room.
    Plus switched in Starmie (lvl 100 Starmie).
    Pointed stones dug into Starmie.
    Starmie lost 12% of its health.
    Gliscor used Earthquake.
    Starmie lost 52% of its health.
    The hail continues to fall.
    Starmie is pelted by hail!
    Starmie lost 6% of its health.
    Gliscor is pelted by hail!
    Gliscor lost 6% of its health.
    Gliscor's leftovers restored its health a little!
    Gliscor restored 6% of its health.
    ---
    Deck Knight switched in Forretress (lvl 100 Forretress ?).
    Starmie used Recover.
    Starmie restored 50% of its health.
    The hail continues to fall.
    Starmie is pelted by hail!
    Starmie lost 6% of its health.
    Forretress is pelted by hail!
    Forretress lost 6% of its health.
    ---
    Starmie used Hydro Pump.
    Starmie's attack missed!
    Forretress used Toxic Spikes.
    Toxic Spikes were scattered around the foe's team!
    The hail continues to fall.
    Starmie is pelted by hail!
    Starmie lost 6% of its health.
    Forretress is pelted by hail!
    Forretress lost 6% of its health.
    ---
    Starmie used Recover.
    Starmie restored 50% of its health.
    Forretress used Payback.
    It's super effective!
    Starmie lost 65% of its health.
    The hail continues to fall.
    Starmie is pelted by hail!
    Starmie lost 6% of its health.
    Forretress is pelted by hail!
    Forretress lost 6% of its health.
    ---
    Starmie used Hydro Pump.
    Starmie's attack missed!
    Forretress used Payback.
    It's super effective!
    Starmie lost 24% of its health.
    Plus's Starmie fainted.
    The hail continues to fall.
    Forretress is pelted by hail!
    Forretress lost 6% of its health.
    ---
    Plus: fuck
    Plus switched in Infernape (lvl 100 Infernape ?).
    Pointed stones dug into Infernape.
    Infernape lost 12% of its health.
    Infernape was poisoned!
    Infernape was poisoned by the Toxic Spikes!
    Infernape used Close Combat.
    Forretress lost 31% of its health.
    Infernape's defence was lowered.
    Infernape's special defence was lowered.
    Forretress used Spikes.
    Spikes were scattered around the foe's team!
    The hail continues to fall.
    Infernape is pelted by hail!
    Infernape lost 6% of its health.
    Forretress is pelted by hail!
    Forretress lost 6% of its health.
    Infernape is hurt by poison!
    Infernape lost 12% of its health.
    ---
    Infernape used Close Combat.
    Forretress lost 31% of its health.
    Infernape's defence was lowered.
    Infernape's special defence was lowered.
    Forretress used Payback.
    It's not very effective...
    Infernape lost 31% of its health.
    The hail continues to fall.
    Infernape is pelted by hail!
    Infernape lost 6% of its health.
    Forretress is pelted by hail!
    Forretress lost 6% of its health.
    Infernape is hurt by poison!
    Infernape lost 12% of its health.
    ---
    Infernape used Close Combat.
    Forretress lost 0% of its health.
    Deck Knight's Forretress fainted.
    Infernape's defence was lowered.
    Infernape's special defence was lowered.
    The hail continues to fall.
    Infernape is pelted by hail!
    Infernape lost 2% of its health.
    Plus's Infernape fainted.
    Deck Knight wins!
    Poke25 has entered the room.
    Deck Knight: gg
    Plus: gg
    
  5. mudkip72

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    So far so good. Collosoil hasn't been that overwhelming so far, most people are running offensive sets with U-turn and other attacks. My biggest problem with the playtest is the amount of Starmie. Its maddening.

    I have yet to see any noticable changes in the amount of secondary moves compared to the standard metagame. Then again, the amount of secondary moves usually used in OU is not that much

    I have been using a set with EQ/Crunch/U-Turn/Rapid Spin, max attack Adamant with enough speed to get past Adamant Lucario. I haven't had an oppurtunity to ever use Rapid Spin, so I'm probaly going to change it. Its been solid, sometimes it does nothing, and other times it can get a kill or 2, though generally it either racks up damage against the opposing team or finishes weakened pokes.

    Personally the ability Rebound is not too helpful. Since it only works on the switch in, Rebound Collosoil can be threatened by a Will-o-wisp/Toxic user later, while a Guts Collosoil doesn't care when the opponent uses a status move, and T-wave is ineffective anyways. The only status where Rebound is outright better is against sleep (Guts Collosoil can utilize Sleep Talk + Guts though). So I am using Guts. Also, Mindgames with the abilities are impossible as Rebound is announced whenever Collosoil switches in. I don't like that.

    I see Collosoil as a formidable addition to the metagame, but it is not near the best.
  6. Superkid11

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    I have to agree. I don't like how your opponent is told what ability it has right off the bat.
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    Right now, I think everyone and their mother is predicting Colossoil being everywhere so they are avoiding the use of Rotom intentionally.

    The only issue so far is that he can have a hard time countering some Pokemon who should not pose a threat, like Celebi or some Rotom forms. I predict that as the metagame reaches it's new equilibrium and Colossoil isn't everywhere, he can really shine. He pairs wonderfully with some big time Pokemon, like Salamence and Gyarados and Scizor.

    I really think he has the potential to be the most impacting CAP yet, since if you ignore him, he can shred a lot of things and he needs some unorthodox checks.

    I also agree Rebound is a tad underwhelming. I think most people thought "yay! Switch into Rotom w'o'w or T-Wave! Awesome!" So far that hasn't happened much, but like I said, time will change this.
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    Good game deck, I must say that Stallrein was definitely the last thing I would look at when building a Colossoil team. Never acknowledged hail, so it was a gg.

    I just played a few matches on the ladder with Colossoil, and it is a fucking beast. Not broken IMO, but it's the new offensive ground type to use, and OU has been wanting that for a long time after they lost Garchomp. I'll post more to come when I find it, because any claim I would make would be inaccurate at this time, so I'll just go ahead and say what has been working for me.

    Sucker Punch/Pursuit is a great way to fuck with the opponent. It threatens their pokemon, and they are forced to make a decision on whether to take the Pursuit or the Sucker Punch. Stopping the secondary has probably meant nothing in terms of using Sucker Punch really -- it's still fulfilling it's job and it gets kills just like it is meant to. Expect to see Rotom-c as one of the only Rotom formes, as Leaf Storm is the only thing keeping it afloat in a Colossoil infested metagame.
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    I was having problems with lead Starmie, so I ended up using Roserade as a lead.

    Very solid so far. Already great as a lead. T-Spikes are a status Collo can't rebound, not a big deal if he uses guts, either. If it comes in on your Sleep Powder, you can just switch out to heal, and SR doesn't come up, so that's nice for your Sash. They risk death by Leaf Storm as well.

    Anyway, as for Collossoil, it's great, but it's hard to deal with for me. Mainly cause nothing's standard yet, as everyone is just testing, but once it gets more standard, it'll be a good pokemon for CaP.
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    So far my greatest success has come from using Colossoil as a late game Guts sweeper (and its worked, #1 on Playtest Ladder =]). My basic strategy is:

    - Take out any pokemon that outspeed Colossoil through paralysis or by killing them off.

    - Bring Colossoil on something he scares out: Choiced Gengar, Heatran, etc. Guts will activate as they switch out, and anything coming in takes major damage.

    - Keep defensive core healthy the whole time in case Colossoil has to switch out.

    I'm finding that Defensive Celebi and SubRoost Zapdos are great partners for Guts Abuse Colossoil; they are both defensive pokemon, one is Physical the other Special, and both take on some of his "counters" (Scizor, Gyarados, Skarmory, that crowd.)

    Here's the set I have been using.

    Colossoil (M) @ Flame Orb
    Ability: Guts
    EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spd
    Nature: Jolly (+Spd, -Atk)

    - Earthquake
    - Crunch
    - Stone Edge
    - Pursuit

    Earthquake + Crunch are dual STABs, Stone Edge provides coverage, and Pursuit messes with any Choiced Gengars locked into Shadow Ball that want to get off easy.

    As I have said, this set plays best late game when everything that is faster than 95 base speed is paralyzed/dead.
  11. Umbreon Dan

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    i've been finding toxic orb slightly better than flame orb on that set. colossoil is _really_ easy to force out, so toxic rarely has time to really add up.

    also i've been surprising people with jolly lucario ^_^ it seems most colossoil are adamant.
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    The reason I opted against Toxic Orb was that I tend to be sweeping for more than 3 turns, so the damage adds up. Also, by utilizing Toxic Orb, bulkier pokemon have an easier time with Colossoil. In our battle, my Celebi was able to defeat your Colossoil by out stalling it with Recover. I find this doesn't happen when you run a Flame Orb. I think it comes down to what your specific plan for Colossoil is, and when you plan to use him in the battle.
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    I've done a bit of laddering with an offensive Colossoil, Crunch, Earthquake, U-Turn and Sucker Punch, and it's never been that overpowering. It's good, but not great. Rebound isnt nearly as good as anyone said it would be, I changed to Guts pretty quickly.

    After being inspired on the ladder by a supporting Colossoil, which used Encore and it's large base HP to it's advantage, i'm going to try utilizing one of them.
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    Well, a swift half hour got me to #5 on the leaderboard, and Colossoil is taking a big chunck out of the credit for it. I'm not going to blabber about the set yet, since it's surprise factor is amazing. Colossoil's movepool is beyond great, and you can do so many things with it. This will be a fun round of playtesting for sure!

    PS: I've been using SubPump Rotom-W to score kills on enemy Colossoil, and it's been working great for me so far.
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    Collosoil's actually been underwheming for me, however, this could be because everyone is packing counters for Collosoil, and expecting it.

    Which is a good sign that it can be countered, and is not overpowered. (Unlike certain Ground-types, who cause chaos in a meta prepared for them)

    Meanwhile, I would say that Collosoil's effect on the metagame cannot be tested in our usual playtesting. It was intended to stop the secondary, but there's no real way of testing this, because no-one's using secondaries, because Collosoil's on every team. We won't see how effective Collosoil actually is at stopping and punishing secondary users. Right now, because of the lack of Secondaries, it's basically an Inferior Tyranitar/Scizor, but with a little more bulk.

    This also explains why most people are using GUTS, Rebound isn't getting any use, because there is no use for it right now.

    The most effective set I've seen, ironically, uses Secondaries itself. It's an annoyer. It packs Sub/Focus Punch/Encore/Sucker Punch. The set is self explanatory, almost like Wobbafett, sub on something that won't like you, Encore as they do something, and easy predictions from there on.
  16. Naxte

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    Yeah, not really having much more trouble with Colossoil than anything else, and I'm only using flimsy checks for it. In my use of it, I'm finding that it really has four moveslot-syndrome, and that's what keeps it in check. It really wants to run Crunch/Sucker Punch/Earthquake/Stone Edge/Selfdestruct/Aqua Tail/Substitute/etc, but it can only pick four, and so there's typically something that can handle it as a result of that. Of course, finding out which four it's running can be somewhat tricky, especially right now since no sets have really been settled on yet, but not overly so.
  17. Blue_Tornado

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    That set you mentioned *erm erm* isn't really using secondaries. Encore isn't a secondary, and so isn't Substitute. That set is effective only because people don't expect it. Meanwhile;

    Colossoil @ Life Orb / Toxic Orb / Flam Orb
    Nature: Guts
    ~Earthquake
    ~Crunch
    ~Sucker Punch/U-Turn/Megahorn
    ~Sucker Punch/U-Turn/Megahorn

    OrbSoil is running on most teams, as people are immediately overlooking Rebound and aim for sheer power. As such, Colossoil has become a bit too predictable, which is quite bad. A Pokemon with such a big movepool, which is already recognized by one set on the first day of playtesting is crazy, which is why I was aiming to catch others off-guard while expecting the offensive set. Moves Like Encore, Focus Punch, Rapid Spin, Substitute, Heal Bell and Ice Shard can be game-changing. Colossoil and its unpredictibility have won me many matches, and if someone really wants to aim high and top the leaderboard, he needs to think outside the box. Colossoil has the movepool to preform in many ways, and all you have to do is check boxes.

    Then what are you waiting for? This is what playtesting is for - testing new ways to preform with this beast.

    EDIT: To all those claiming that Rebound is inferior, it really depends on the set. If yu really are going for the Orb sets, Guts is the way to go, but if not, Rebound can be extremely helpful. Putting a lead Roserade or Smeargle to sleep is just lovely,and it gives Soil a free turn right off the bat. It can also switch in on Zapdos' Toxic, Porygon2's Toxic, Jirachi's Thunder Wave and many more. A "status absorber" is really nice, and as they all say - "don't knock it 'till you try it!"

    I'll try to add logs later on on other set's preformances and the Orb set's preformances. I really want people to open up. Even the likes of Vaporeon aren't 2HKO'd by Guts-boosted LO EQ, as Leftovers makes it a 3HKO while Vappy protects and wishes away. Soil then slowly goes down from Toxic damage. Seriously - the offensive set isn't that great, and everyone is saying so.

    Edit: As promised, I have a log. You may think that I just picked an easy battle, but truth to be told, Colossoil dominates teams like this often. I'm serious. Don't belive me? Try it for yourself!

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    The_Reaper sent out Bronzong (lvl 100 Bronzong).
    soildier sent out Forretress (lvl 100 Forretress ?).
    The_Reaper switched in Breloom (lvl 100 Breloom ?).
    Forretress used Stealth Rock.
    Pointed stones float in the air around the foe's team!
    Breloom was badly poisoned!
    ---
    soildier switched in Colossoil (lvl 100 Colossoil ?).
    Colossoil's Rebound created a barrier!
    Breloom used Substitute.
    Breloom lost 25% of its health.
    Breloom made a substitute!
    Breloom's Poison Heal restored health!
    Breloom restored 13% of its health.
    ---
    Breloom is tightening its focus!
    Colossoil used Encore.
    Breloom got an encore!
    Breloom used Substitute.
    But it failed!
    Breloom's Poison Heal restored health!
    Breloom restored 13% of its health.
    ---
    Colossoil used Substitute.
    Colossoil lost 25% of its health.
    Colossoil made a substitute!
    Breloom used Substitute.
    But it failed!
    Colossoil's leftovers restored its health a little!
    Colossoil restored 6% of its health.
    Breloom's Poison Heal restored health!
    ---
    Colossoil is tightening its focus!
    The_Reaper switched in Bronzong (lvl 100 Bronzong).
    Pointed stones dug into Bronzong.
    Bronzong lost 6% of its health.
    Colossoil used Focus Punch.
    Bronzong lost 40% of its health.
    Colossoil's leftovers restored its health a little!
    Colossoil restored 6% of its health.
    Bronzong's leftovers restored its health a little!
    Bronzong restored 6% of its health.
    ---
    Colossoil is tightening its focus!
    Bronzong used Earthquake.
    The substitute took damage for Colossoil!
    Colossoil used Focus Punch.
    Bronzong lost 41% of its health.
    Colossoil's leftovers restored its health a little!
    Colossoil restored 6% of its health.
    Bronzong's leftovers restored its health a little!
    Bronzong restored 6% of its health.
    ---
    Colossoil used Sucker Punch.
    Bronzong lost 25% of its health.
    The_Reaper's Bronzong fainted.
    Colossoil's leftovers restored its health a little!
    Colossoil restored 6% of its health.
    ---
    The_Reaper switched in Vaporeon (lvl 100 Vaporeon ?).
    Pointed stones dug into Vaporeon.
    Vaporeon lost 12% of its health.
    Colossoil is tightening its focus!
    Vaporeon used Wish.
    Vaporeon made a wish!
    Colossoil used Focus Punch.
    Vaporeon lost 39% of its health.
    Vaporeon's leftovers restored its health a little!
    Vaporeon restored 6% of its health.
    ---
    Colossoil used Encore.
    Vaporeon got an encore!
    Vaporeon used Wish.
    But it failed!
    The wish came true!
    Vaporeon restored 46% of its health.
    ---
    Colossoil is tightening its focus!
    The_Reaper switched in Yanmega (lvl 100 Yanmega ?).
    Pointed stones dug into Yanmega.
    Yanmega lost 50% of its health.
    Colossoil used Focus Punch.
    It's not very effective...
    Yanmega lost 14% of its health.
    ---
    Colossoil used Sucker Punch.
    Yanmega lost 36% of its health.
    The_Reaper's Yanmega fainted.
    ---
    The_Reaper switched in Vaporeon (lvl 100 Vaporeon ?).
    Pointed stones dug into Vaporeon.
    Vaporeon lost 12% of its health.
    Colossoil is tightening its focus!
    Vaporeon used Surf.
    It's super effective!
    The substitute took damage for Colossoil!
    Colossoil's substitute faded!
    Colossoil used Focus Punch.
    Vaporeon lost 37% of its health.
    Vaporeon's leftovers restored its health a little!
    Vaporeon restored 6% of its health.
    ---
    soildier switched in Vaporeon (lvl 100 Vaporeon ?).
    Vaporeon used Surf.
    Vaporeon's leftovers restored its health a little!
    Vaporeon restored 6% of its health.
    ---
    soildier switched in Colossoil (lvl 100 Colossoil ?).
    Colossoil's Rebound created a barrier!
    Vaporeon used Wish.
    Vaporeon made a wish!
    Vaporeon's leftovers restored its health a little!
    Vaporeon restored 6% of its health.
    ---
    Vaporeon used Protect.
    Vaporeon protected itself!
    Colossoil used Encore.
    Vaporeon protected itself!
    The wish came true!
    Vaporeon restored 31% of its health.
    ---
    Colossoil used Encore.
    Vaporeon got an encore!
    Vaporeon used Protect.
    Vaporeon protected itself!
    ---
    The_Reaper switched in Breloom (lvl 100 Breloom ?).
    Pointed stones dug into Breloom.
    Breloom lost 6% of its health.
    Colossoil used Substitute.
    Colossoil lost 25% of its health.
    Colossoil made a substitute!
    Colossoil's leftovers restored its health a little!
    Colossoil restored 6% of its health.
    Breloom's Poison Heal restored health!
    Breloom restored 6% of its health.
    ---
    Colossoil is tightening its focus!
    Breloom is tightening its focus!
    Colossoil used Focus Punch.
    Breloom lost 57% of its health.
    Breloom used Focus Punch.
    Breloom lost its focus and couldn't move!
    Colossoil's leftovers restored its health a little!
    Colossoil restored 6% of its health.
    Breloom's Poison Heal restored health!
    Breloom restored 13% of its health.
    ---
    Colossoil is tightening its focus!
    Breloom used Substitute.
    Breloom lost 25% of its health.
    Breloom made a substitute!
    Colossoil used Focus Punch.
    The substitute took damage for Breloom!
    Breloom's substitute faded!
    Colossoil's leftovers restored its health a little!
    Colossoil restored 6% of its health.
    Breloom's Poison Heal restored health!
    Breloom restored 13% of its health.
    ---
    Colossoil is tightening its focus!
    Breloom is tightening its focus!
    Colossoil used Focus Punch.
    Breloom lost 43% of its health.
    The_Reaper's Breloom fainted.
    Colossoil's leftovers restored its health a little!
    Colossoil restored 6% of its health.
    ---
    The_Reaper switched in Colossoil (lvl 100 Colossoil ?).
    Colossoil's Rebound created a barrier!
    Pointed stones dug into Colossoil.
    Colossoil lost 6% of its health.
    Colossoil is tightening its focus!
    Colossoil used Earthquake.
    The substitute took damage for Colossoil!
    Colossoil's substitute faded!
    Colossoil used Focus Punch.
    It's super effective!
    Colossoil lost 94% of its health.
    The_Reaper's Colossoil fainted.
    ---
    The_Reaper switched in Starmie (lvl 100 Starmie).
    Pointed stones dug into Starmie.
    Starmie lost 12% of its health.
    Colossoil used Sucker Punch.
    It's super effective!
    Starmie lost 88% of its health.
    The_Reaper's Starmie fainted.
    ---
    The_Reaper: gg
    The_Reaper has left the room.
    soildier wins!
    soildier: gg

    For refference:
    Code:
    Colossoil (M) @ Leftovers
    Ability: Rebound
    EVs: (Find out for yourself ;p)
    "Find out for yourself" nature
    - Substitute
    - Encore
    - Focus Punch
    - Sucker Punch
  18. Staraptor Call

    Staraptor Call

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    I've taken a somewhat obvious route and used a Choice Band Colossoil.

    Colossoil@Choice Band
    Adamant 6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
    Guts
    -Crunch
    -Earthquake
    -U-turn
    -Selfdestruct

    This thing is enormously powerful. In one of the battles I had, Colossoil alone took out three of the opponent's Pokemon. 122 base Attack combined with above-average Speed and okay defenses make for a great Choice Bander. The only real problems are, as with other Choice Banders, giving the opponent a free turn after mispredicting or getting a KO. Crunch and Earthquake are both high-powered STAB moves, with Crunch being used more often. U-turn makes Colossoil work like a Banded Flygon in scouting my opponent's Colossoil check, and Selfdestruct can OHKO almost any non-resister when Colossoil is low on health. Some other options for the last slot are Pursuit and Ice Shard.
  19. Class

    Class

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    Been using the same set as Staraptor, but with Jolly over Adamant and Sucker Punch over Selfdestruct. Being able to KO those Latias and Starmie who try to take advantage of you once they figure out you're banded is awesome. Able to outspeed all Lucario, and Sucker Punch stops Gyarados and Salamence and hell, weakened Scizor cold. Colossoil is an offensive behemoth, but he's been KO'd from 100% to 0 on the switch a lot from mispredictions, so I think he is where he should be defensively
  20. Drybones

    Drybones

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    Shaymin @ Life Orb
    Ability: Natural Cure
    EVs: 36 HP/220 Spd/252 SAtk
    Timid / Modest nature
    - Grass Knot / Seed Flare
    - Hidden Power [Fire]
    - Leech Seed
    - Rest / Sub

    OR

    Shaymin @ Leftovers
    Ability: Natural Cure
    EVs: 236 HP/16 Def/36 Spd/220 SAtk
    Modest nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
    - Grass Knot / Seed Flare
    - Hidden Power [Fire]
    - Leech Seed
    - Rest



    I tried out the lower Shaymin as something that could handle both colossoil and gyara. I haven't tried the calcs but I witnessed a grass knot OHKO an oil... probably 0 hp 0 spdef. I found the amount of celebi running around troubling, considering hp fire did about 35% to that of Umbreon Dan and allowed it to happily set up reflect and such.

    That's why seed flare might be nice-- to allow it to win against celebi and maybe even blissey. However taking the final boosted ice fang from gyara 15% of the time when you miss is very bad.

    Like I said, I've only tried the second set which is pretty slow. I figured colossoils would just end up sucker punching and gyaras would have a DD up anyway. The top set is more sweepy minded, outspeeding max jolly oil, and its something you used to see in UU :naughty:
  21. Wombat Sky Forme

    Wombat Sky Forme

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    I'm using a Bulky Offender, looks like this.
    Substitute when something has to switch out, i.e. Metagross who cannot to anything to Colossoil bar Ice Punch. Sub up, and attack what ever comes in. Free turn is provided by Substitute, allowing me to either

    • Get the KO with Ice Shard if in low HP, or
    • If faster, KO with an attack
    Ice Shard is really worthwhile on this guy, it helps on Pokemon like Celebi as Crunch won't KO them but Crunch+Ice Shard will.

    I realize that this Colossoil doesn't really "Stop the Secondary," but I have found it to be a good attacker all the same.

    On another note for people who are playtesting and want success, ScarfCross and Agility SubPetaya Empoleon are working really well on the ladder.
  22. Anachronism

    Anachronism

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    fyi, you would be better off putting your bulk evs into 48 HP 104 Def 100 SpD because Colossoil has such awesome HP. If you want to do more defense calcs, go here: http://users.smogon.com/X-Act/defense.html

    @ Blue Tornado: I will test that Sub Punch set also. I think Encore was seriously a little excessive on it. If you pm me the ev spread you are using (I already have a pretty good idea), I will pm you any good spreads I find.

    So many options here...

    Some other ideas I have right now:

    Pursuit + Superpower, similar to the set that ttar can run, to destroy blissey so that a team of special sweepers can do their thing. I imagine that this set won't be that great in playtesting because the oven and the blob should be pretty scarce.

    Torment/Sub/Protect/Filler: I could see this set being nasty, considering that collosoil has great defenses if invested in and a good attack even when not invested in, though water and ice moves are common on the same sets...idk
  23. familyguyman

    familyguyman

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    Colossoil seriously rocks the Choice Band + Guts. Between Pursuit, Earthquake, Stone Edge and U-Turn/Crunch, he can beat down most switch ins or switch outs!
  24. Plus

    Plus freedom of the son
    is a Tutoris a Forum Moderatoris a Tiering Contributoris a Smogon Media Contributoris a Team Rater Alumnusis an Artist Alumnusis a Researcher Alumnusis a CAP Contributor Alumnus
    Professor of B101

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    Don't forget to answer the questions:

    Questions to be Answered:
    ~ How easily would a Pokémon with such large of a niche be able to fit into a competitive team?
    ~ How large of an impact would the reducation of non damaging affects and moves have on the metagame?
    - What, if any, would happen to the types of teams being used?
    - How would this affect the usage of these types of moves?
    ~ How much of an affect does typing have on the ability for ANY Pokémon to perform this duty?
  25. Some Dude

    Some Dude

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    Full Log

    Here is the FULL log from the battle. Shows everything but the rules. Even the very beggining!

    This is just for anyone who missed the battle :naughty:

    I also took out all the "___ has entered/left the room" and unimportant text.

    Show Hide

    Deck Knight switched in Starmie (lvl 100 Starmie).
    Plus switched in Starmie (lvl 100 Starmie).
    ---
    Deck Knight switched in Abomasnow (lvl 100 Abomasnow ?).
    Abomasnow's Snow Warning whipped up a hailstorm!
    Hail began to fall!
    Plus switched in Latias (lvl 100 Latias ?).
    The hail continues to fall.
    Latias is pelted by hail!
    Latias lost 6% of its health.
    ---
    Abomasnow used Blizzard.
    It's super effective!
    Latias lost 91% of its health.
    Latias used Draco Meteor.
    Abomasnow lost 100% of its health.
    Deck Knight's Abomasnow fainted.
    Latias's special attack was harshly lowered.
    The hail continues to fall.
    Latias is pelted by hail!
    Latias lost 3% of its health.
    Plus's Latias fainted.
    ---
    Deck Knight switched in Starmie (lvl 100 Starmie).
    Plus switched in Metagross (lvl 100 Metagross).
    tennisace has entered the room.
    Starmie used Surf.
    Metagross lost 38% of its health.
    Metagross used Explosion.
    Starmie lost 100% of its health.
    Deck Knight's Starmie fainted.
    Plus's Metagross fainted.
    The hail continues to fall.
    ---
    Deck Knight switched in Forretress (lvl 100 Forretress ?).
    Plus switched in Infernape (lvl 100 Infernape ?).
    Deck Knight switched in Gliscor (lvl 100 Gliscor ?).
    Infernape used U-turn.
    It's not very effective...
    Gliscor lost 8% of its health.
    Plus switched in Starmie (lvl 100 Starmie).
    The hail continues to fall.
    Starmie is pelted by hail!
    Starmie lost 6% of its health.
    Gliscor is pelted by hail!
    Gliscor lost 6% of its health.
    Gliscor's leftovers restored its health a little!
    Gliscor restored 6% of its health.
    ---
    Deck Knight switched in Blissey (lvl 100 Blissey ?).
    Starmie used Ice Beam.
    Blissey lost 10% of its health.
    Starmie lost 10% of its health.
    The hail continues to fall.
    Starmie is pelted by hail!
    Starmie lost 6% of its health.
    Blissey is pelted by hail!
    Blissey lost 6% of its health.
    Blissey's leftovers restored its health a little!
    Blissey restored 6% of its health.
    ---
    Plus switched in Colossoil (lvl 100 Colossoil ?).
    Blissey used Seismic Toss.
    Colossoil lost 25% of its health.
    The hail continues to fall.
    Colossoil is pelted by hail!
    Colossoil lost 6% of its health.
    Blissey is pelted by hail!
    Blissey lost 6% of its health.
    Blissey's leftovers restored its health a little!
    Blissey restored 6% of its health.
    ---
    .
    Plus: HERE WE GO
    .
    Deck Knight switched in Gliscor (lvl 100 Gliscor ?).
    Colossoil used Earthquake.
    It doesn't affect Gliscor...
    The hail continues to fall.
    Gliscor is pelted by hail!
    Gliscor lost 6% of its health.
    Colossoil is pelted by hail!
    Colossoil lost 6% of its health.
    Gliscor's leftovers restored its health a little!
    Gliscor restored 6% of its health.
    ---
    Plus switched in Gyarados (lvl 100 Gyarados ?).
    Gyarados's Intimidate cut Gliscor's attack!
    Gliscor used Stealth Rock.
    Pointed stones float in the air around the foe's team!
    The hail continues to fall.
    Gliscor is pelted by hail!
    Gliscor lost 6% of its health.
    Gyarados is pelted by hail!
    Gyarados lost 6% of its health.
    Gliscor's leftovers restored its health a little!
    Gliscor restored 6% of its health.
    ---
    Deck Knight switched in Walrein (lvl 100 Walrein ?).
    Gyarados used Dragon Dance.
    Gyarados's attack was raised.
    Gyarados's speed was raised.
    The hail continues to fall.
    Gyarados is pelted by hail!
    Gyarados lost 6% of its health.
    Walrein absorbed the hail!
    ---
    Gyarados used Dragon Dance.
    Gyarados's attack was raised.
    Gyarados's speed was raised.
    Walrein used Substitute.
    Walrein lost 25% of its health.
    Walrein made a substitute!
    The hail continues to fall.
    Gyarados is pelted by hail!
    Gyarados lost 6% of its health.
    Walrein absorbed the hail!
    Walrein restored 6% of its health.
    Walrein's leftovers restored its health a little!
    Walrein restored 6% of its health.
    ---
    Walrein used Protect.
    Walrein protected itself!
    Gyarados used Earthquake.
    Walrein protected itself!
    The hail continues to fall.
    Gyarados is pelted by hail!
    Gyarados lost 6% of its health.
    Walrein absorbed the hail!
    Walrein restored 6% of its health.
    Walrein's leftovers restored its health a little!
    Walrein restored 6% of its health.
    ---
    Gyarados used Earthquake.
    The substitute took damage for Walrein!
    Walrein's substitute faded!
    Walrein used Substitute.
    Walrein lost 25% of its health.
    Walrein made a substitute!
    The hail continues to fall.
    Gyarados is pelted by hail!
    Gyarados lost 6% of its health.
    Walrein absorbed the hail!
    Walrein restored 6% of its health.
    Walrein's leftovers restored its health a little!
    Walrein restored 6% of its health.
    ---
    Walrein used Protect.
    Walrein protected itself!
    Gyarados used Earthquake.
    Walrein protected itself!
    The hail continues to fall.
    Gyarados is pelted by hail!
    Gyarados lost 6% of its health.
    Walrein absorbed the hail!
    Walrein restored 6% of its health.
    Walrein's leftovers restored its health a little!
    Walrein restored 6% of its health.
    ---
    Gyarados used Earthquake.
    The substitute took damage for Walrein!
    Walrein's substitute faded!
    Walrein used Substitute.
    Walrein lost 25% of its health.
    Walrein made a substitute!
    The hail continues to fall.
    Gyarados is pelted by hail!
    Gyarados lost 6% of its health.
    Walrein absorbed the hail!
    Walrein restored 6% of its health.
    Walrein's leftovers restored its health a little!
    Walrein restored 6% of its health.
    ---
    Walrein used Protect.
    Walrein protected itself!
    Gyarados used Earthquake.
    Walrein protected itself!
    The hail continues to fall.
    Gyarados is pelted by hail!
    Gyarados lost 6% of its health.
    Walrein absorbed the hail!
    Walrein restored 6% of its health.
    Walrein's leftovers restored its health a little!
    Walrein restored 6% of its health.
    ---
    Gyarados used Earthquake.
    A critical hit!
    The substitute took damage for Walrein!
    Walrein's substitute faded!
    Walrein used Substitute.
    Walrein lost 25% of its health.
    Walrein made a substitute!
    The hail continues to fall.
    Gyarados is pelted by hail!
    Gyarados lost 6% of its health.
    Walrein absorbed the hail!
    Walrein restored 6% of its health.
    Walrein's leftovers restored its health a little!
    Walrein restored 6% of its health.
    ---
    Plus switched in Colossoil (lvl 100 Colossoil ?).
    Pointed stones dug into Colossoil.
    Colossoil lost 6% of its health.
    Walrein used Protect.
    Walrein protected itself!
    The hail continues to fall.
    Colossoil is pelted by hail!
    Colossoil lost 6% of its health.
    Walrein absorbed the hail!
    Walrein restored 6% of its health.
    Walrein's leftovers restored its health a little!
    Walrein restored 6% of its health.
    ---
    Colossoil used Taunt.
    Walrein fell for the taunt!
    Walrein used Brine.
    It's super effective!
    Colossoil lost 51% of its health.
    Plus's Colossoil fainted.
    The hail continues to fall.
    Walrein absorbed the hail!
    ---
    Plus switched in Gyarados (lvl 100 Gyarados ?).
    Pointed stones dug into Gyarados.
    Gyarados lost 25% of its health.
    Gyarados used Earthquake.
    The substitute took damage for Walrein!
    Walrein's substitute faded!
    Walrein used Brine.
    It's not very effective...
    Gyarados lost 21% of its health.
    Plus's Gyarados fainted.
    The hail continues to fall.
    Walrein absorbed the hail!
    ---
    Plus switched in Infernape (lvl 100 Infernape ?).
    Pointed stones dug into Infernape.
    Infernape lost 12% of its health.
    Infernape used Close Combat.
    It's super effective!
    A critical hit!
    Walrein lost 100% of its health.
    Deck Knight's Walrein fainted.
    Infernape's defence was lowered.
    Infernape's special defence was lowered.
    The hail continues to fall.
    Infernape is pelted by hail!
    Infernape lost 6% of its health.
    ---
    Deck Knight switched in Gliscor (lvl 100 Gliscor ?).
    Maris has entered the room.
    Plus switched in Starmie (lvl 100 Starmie).
    Pointed stones dug into Starmie.
    Starmie lost 12% of its health.
    Gliscor used Earthquake.
    Starmie lost 52% of its health.
    The hail continues to fall.
    Starmie is pelted by hail!
    Starmie lost 6% of its health.
    Gliscor is pelted by hail!
    Gliscor lost 6% of its health.
    Gliscor's leftovers restored its health a little!
    Gliscor restored 6% of its health.
    ---
    Deck Knight switched in Forretress (lvl 100 Forretress ?).
    Starmie used Recover.
    Starmie restored 50% of its health.
    The hail continues to fall.
    Starmie is pelted by hail!
    Starmie lost 6% of its health.
    Forretress is pelted by hail!
    Forretress lost 6% of its health.
    ---
    Starmie used Hydro Pump.
    Starmie's attack missed!
    Forretress used Toxic Spikes.
    Toxic Spikes were scattered around the foe's team!
    The hail continues to fall.
    Starmie is pelted by hail!
    Starmie lost 6% of its health.
    Forretress is pelted by hail!
    Forretress lost 6% of its health.
    ---
    Starmie used Recover.
    Starmie restored 50% of its health.
    Forretress used Payback.
    It's super effective!
    Starmie lost 65% of its health.
    The hail continues to fall.
    Starmie is pelted by hail!
    Starmie lost 6% of its health.
    Forretress is pelted by hail!
    Forretress lost 6% of its health.
    ---
    Starmie used Hydro Pump.
    Starmie's attack missed!
    Forretress used Payback.
    It's super effective!
    Starmie lost 24% of its health.
    Plus's Starmie fainted.
    The hail continues to fall.
    Forretress is pelted by hail!
    Forretress lost 6% of its health.
    ---
    Plus switched in Infernape (lvl 100 Infernape ?).
    Pointed stones dug into Infernape.
    Infernape lost 12% of its health.
    Infernape was poisoned!
    Infernape was poisoned by the Toxic Spikes!
    Infernape used Close Combat.
    Forretress lost 31% of its health.
    Infernape's defence was lowered.
    Infernape's special defence was lowered.
    Forretress used Spikes.
    Spikes were scattered around the foe's team!
    The hail continues to fall.
    Infernape is pelted by hail!
    Infernape lost 6% of its health.
    Forretress is pelted by hail!
    Forretress lost 6% of its health.
    Infernape is hurt by poison!
    Infernape lost 12% of its health.
    ---
    Infernape used Close Combat.
    Forretress lost 31% of its health.
    Infernape's defence was lowered.
    Infernape's special defence was lowered.
    Forretress used Payback.
    It's not very effective...
    Infernape lost 31% of its health.
    The hail continues to fall.
    Infernape is pelted by hail!
    Infernape lost 6% of its health.
    Forretress is pelted by hail!
    Forretress lost 6% of its health.
    Infernape is hurt by poison!
    Infernape lost 12% of its health.
    ---
    Infernape used Close Combat.
    Forretress lost 0% of its health.
    Deck Knight's Forretress fainted.
    Infernape's defence was lowered.
    Infernape's special defence was lowered.
    The hail continues to fall.
    Infernape is pelted by hail!
    Infernape lost 2% of its health.
    Plus's Infernape fainted.
    Deck Knight wins!
    Deck Knight: gg
    Plus: gg
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