Project Counter that Threat! 21st Week: Snover - Counters Submissions

[leingodf8]

Diglett @ Focus Sash
Ability: Arena Trap
Level: 5
EVs: 36 HP / 236 Atk / 236 Spe
Jolly Nature
Earthquake
Rock Slide
Etc
Etc

Pretty simple stuff. Always survives any of vulpix's attacks thanks to sash and arena trap stops it from getting away.

236 Atk Diglett Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 36 Def Vulpix: 30-36 (150 - 180%) -- guaranteed OHKO
(30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 32, 32, 32, 32, 32, 32, 32, 32, 36)

Can't switch in if rocks are up but will always revenge kill no matter what.

 

[LoboMuzenza]

Growlithe @ Eviolite
Level: 5
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 236 HP / 156 Def / 116 SpD
Impish Nature
- Will-O-Wisp
- Flare Blitz
- Morning Sun
- Wild Charge

Calcsnshit:

196 SpA Life Orb Vulpix Extrasensory vs. 236 HP / 116 SpD Eviolite Growlithe: 6-8 (24 - 32%) -- 22.8% chance to 4HKO

0 Atk Growlithe Flare Blitz vs. 0 HP / 36 Def Vulpix in Sun: 12-14 (60 - 70%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

0 Atk Growlithe Wild Charge vs. 0 HP / 36 Def Vulpix: 8-10 (40 - 50%) -- 0.4% chance to 2HKO

I always win with morning sun.

Multisubmit edit:

Archen @ Eviolite
Level: 5
Ability: Defeatist
EVs: 236 HP / 156 Def / 76 SpD / 36 Speed
Impish Nature
- Rock Slide
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- Defog

196 SpA Life Orb Vulpix Fire Blast vs. 236 HP / 76 SpD Eviolite Archen in Sun: 9-12 (36 - 48%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

0 Atk Archen Rock Slide vs. 0 HP / 36 Def Vulpix: 26-32 (130 - 160%) -- guaranteed OHKO

0 Atk Archen Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 36 Def Vulpix: 22-28 (110 - 140%) -- guaranteed OHKO

 

[apt-get]

Growlithe @ Eviolite
Level: 5
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 236 HP / 156 Def / 116 SpD
Impish Nature
- Will-O-Wisp
- Flare Blitz
- Morning Sun
- Wild Charge

Calcsnshit:

196 SpA Life Orb Vulpix Extrasensory vs. 236 HP / 116 SpD Eviolite Growlithe: 6-8 (24 - 32%) -- 22.8% chance to 4HKO

0 Atk Growlithe Flare Blitz vs. 0 HP / 36 Def Vulpix in Sun: 12-14 (60 - 70%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

0 Atk Growlithe Wild Charge vs. 0 HP / 36 Def Vulpix: 8-10 (40 - 50%) -- 0.4% chance to 2HKO

I always win with morning sun.

Multisubmit edit:

Archen @ Eviolite
Level: 5
Ability: Defeatist
EVs: 236 HP / 156 Def / 76 SpD / 36 Speed
Impish Nature
- Rock Slide
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- Defog

196 SpA Life Orb Vulpix Fire Blast vs. 236 HP / 76 SpD Eviolite Archen in Sun: 9-12 (36 - 48%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

0 Atk Archen Rock Slide vs. 0 HP / 36 Def Vulpix: 26-32 (130 - 160%) -- guaranteed OHKO

0 Atk Archen Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 36 Def Vulpix: 22-28 (110 - 140%) -- guaranteed OHKO

both lose with SR up.

Diglett @ Focus Sash

Ability: Arena Trap

Level: 5

EVs: 36 HP / 236 Atk / 236 Spe

Jolly Nature

Earthquake

Rock Slide

Etc

Etc


Pretty simple stuff. Always survives any of vulpix's attacks thanks to sash and arena trap stops it from getting away.


236 Atk Diglett Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 36 Def Vulpix: 30-36 (150 - 180%) -- guaranteed OHKO

(30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 32, 32, 32, 32, 32, 32, 32, 32, 36)


Can't switch in if rocks are up but will always revenge kill no matter what.

Definitely can't switch in with rocks, so not a counter.

 

[LoboMuzenza]

Dis gon b gud.

Aipom @ Eviolite
Level: 5
Ability: Skill Link
EVs: 76 HP / 116 Atk / 80 SpDef / 236 Spe
Careful Nature
- Fury Swipes
- Knock Off
- Brick Break
- Fake Out

I can switch into anything and ko with fake out + fury swipes. Actually, fury swipes OHKOes. Overheat doesn't OHKO after rocks either.

 

[fran17]

Dis gon b gud.

Aipom @ Eviolite
Level: 5
Ability: Skill Link
EVs: 76 HP / 116 Atk / 80 Def / 236 Spe
Careful Nature
- Fury Swipes
- Knock Off
- Brick Break
- Fake Out

I can switch into anything and ko with fake out + fury swipes. Actually, fury swipes OHKOes. Overheat doesn't OHKO after rocks either.

196 SpA Life Orb Vulpix Overheat vs. 76 HP / 0+ SpD Eviolite Aipom in Sun: 21-25 (91.3 - 108.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock

Are you sure this doesn't kill?

 

[kingmidas]

reserving scarf porygon

 

[LoboMuzenza]

196 SpA Life Orb Vulpix Overheat vs. 76 HP / 0+ SpD Eviolite Aipom in Sun: 21-25 (91.3 - 108.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock

Are you sure this doesn't kill?

Sorry for typo, 80Def EVs should have been 80 SpDef. Fixed.

EDIT: Nvm, vulpix still kills it.

Growlithe @ Eviolite
Level: 5
Ability: Intimidate Flash Fire
EVs: 236 HP / 156 Def / 116 SpD
Impish Nature
- Will-O-Wisp
- Flare Blitz
- Morning Sun
- Wild Charge

Calcsnshit:

196 SpA Life Orb Vulpix Extrasensory vs. 236 HP / 116 SpD Eviolite Growlithe: 6-8 (24 - 32%) -- 22.8% chance to 4HKO

0 Atk Growlithe Flare Blitz vs. 0 HP / 36 Def Vulpix in Sun: 12-14 (60 - 70%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

0 Atk Growlithe Wild Charge vs. 0 HP / 36 Def Vulpix: 8-10 (40 - 50%) -- 0.4% chance to 2HKO

My final submission. Vulpix boosts Growlithe with half of his moveset and his ability boosts Growlithe's healing move. Extrasensory does 32% at best.

 

[Yagura]

Voting time

 

[Star]

Houndour

 

[sparktrain]

Houndour

 

[Enki]

Houndour is pretty obvious, so I choose Munchlax

 

[Fiend]

houndour the god

 

[Aerow]

Houndour

 

[Kavatika]

houndour

 

[sam-testings]

houndour

 

[LoboMuzenza]

I eat Vulpixes when I'm hungry and I'm always hungry

Vote: Munchlax

 

[inscribe]

ponyta

 

[leingodf8]

Its Houndour pretty obviously (I mean immune to 3 attacks, resist the 4th how much better can you get?) but it feels wrong to give a houndour an eviolite.

 

[The Quasar]

Houndour

 

[Yagura]

apt-get won it, Houndour is a great counter with an immunity to three of Vulpix' attacks and a resistance to the fourth.

This week's threat is:

Houndour @ Life Orb
Ability: Early Bird
Level: 5
EVs: 40 Atk / 200 SpA / 236 Spe
Naive Nature
IVs: 9 HP / 30 Atk / 30 SpA
- Fire Blast
- Dark Pulse
- Sucker Punch
- Hidden Power [Grass]

 

[Svalkenaeres]

Makuhita @ Eviolite
Ability: Thick Fat
Level: 5
EVs: 180 HP / 196 Atk / 36 Def / 36 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Close Combat
- Earthquake
- Knock Off
- Bullet Punch

196 SpA Life Orb Houndour Fire Blast vs. 180 HP / 36 SpD Eviolite Thick Fat Makuhita: 9-12 (34.6 - 46.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

36 Atk Life Orb Houndour Sucker Punch vs. 180 HP / 36 Def Eviolite Makuhita: 4-6 (15.3 - 23%) -- possible 5HKO

196+ Atk Makuhita Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Houndour: 48-56 (252.6 - 294.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Houndour is totally walled, and Makuhita OHKO.
Nice gimmick mon.

 

[Yagura]

Deino @ Eviolite
Ability: Hustle
Level: 5
EVs: 24 HP / 236 Atk / 36 SpD / 212 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Outrage
- Crunch
- Superpower
- Zen Headbutt

200 SpA Life Orb Houndour Fire Blast vs. 20 HP / 36 SpD Eviolite Deino: 8-9 (36.3 - 40.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
200 SpA Life Orb Houndour Dark Pulse vs. 20 HP / 36 SpD Eviolite Deino: 5-8 (22.7 - 36.3%) -- 0.9% chance to 3HKO
40 Atk Life Orb Houndour Sucker Punch vs. 20 HP / 36 Def Eviolite Deino: 4-5 (18.1 - 22.7%) -- possible 5HKO
200 SpA Life Orb Houndour Hidden Power Grass vs. 20 HP / 36 SpD Eviolite Deino: 3-4 (13.6 - 18.1%) -- possible 6HKO
It doesn't give a damn about any of Houndour's attacks, but meanwhile:
236 Atk Hustle Deino Superpower vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Houndour: 44-54 (231.5 - 284.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO OVERKILL unless it misses

 

[kingmidas]

reserving tentacool

Tentacool @ Eviolite
Ability: Liquid Ooze
Level: 5
EVs: 116 HP / 236 Def / 36 Spa / 116 SpD
Bold Nature
- Scald
- Acid Spray
- Knock Off
- Toxic Spikes

36 SpA Tentacool Scald vs. 0 HP / 36 SpD Houndour: 18-24 (94.7 - 126.3%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO
(18, 18, 18, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 24)

196 SpA Life Orb Houndour Dark Pulse vs. 116 HP / 116 SpD Eviolite Tentacool: 9-12 (40.9 - 54.5%) -- 12.1% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
(9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 12)


36 Atk Life Orb Houndour Sucker Punch vs. 116 HP / 236+ Def Eviolite Tentacool: 8-9 (36.3 - 40.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock
(8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 9)

196 SpA Life Orb Houndour Fire Blast vs. 116 HP / 116 SpD Eviolite Tentacool: 4-6 (18.1 - 27.2%) -- 81.1% chance to 4HKO after Stealth Rock
(4, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 6)

If no stealth rock on the field:
You win no matter what with scald + LO recoil because max sucker + dark pulse doesn't KO

If Stealth Rock on the field:
If fireblast: You attack and KO
If Dark Pulse: you have to hope no high roll because SR + 2 max attacks of either dark pulse or sucker KO

 

[sparktrain]

Timburr @ Eviolite
Level: 5
Ability: Guts
EVs: 76 HP / 196 Atk / 76 Def / 156 SpD
Impish Nature
- Drain Punch
- Knock Off
- Mach Punch
- Bulk Up

Always a great revenge killing option since it obliterates Houndour with Mach Punch, but Timburr also has the bulk to tank a LO Fire Blast + Sucker Punch in a pinch.

calcs

200 SpA Life Orb Houndour Fire Blast vs. 76 HP / 156 SpD Eviolite Timburr: 16-19 (64 - 76%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
(16, 16, 16, 16, 16, 17, 17, 17, 17, 17, 17, 17, 17, 17, 17, 19)
40 Atk Life Orb Houndour Sucker Punch vs. 76 HP / 76+ Def Eviolite Timburr: 4-4 (16 - 16%) -- guaranteed 6HKO after Stealth Rock
(4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4, 4)

Worst case scenario: Timburr takes 1 damage from SR, 19 damage from Fire Blast, 4 damage from Sucker Punch = 24 damage; Timburr has 25 HP. Mach Punch is a guaranteed OHKO on Houndour after one round of LO recoil.

196 Atk Timburr Mach Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Houndour: 18-24 (94.7 - 126.3%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO

 

[cityfolk]

reserving Carvanha

Carvanha @ Eviolite
Ability: Speed Boost
Level: 5
EVs: 236 HP / 36 Atk / 196 SpD
Careful Nature
- Crunch
- Destiny Bond
- Aqua Jet
- Protect

This set is gross and gimmicky, but it works. It switches in on any of Houndour's attacks, protects, and outspeeds + kills with Aqua Jet.

Calcs:
200 SpA Life Orb Houndour Hidden Power Grass vs. 236 HP / 196+ SpD Eviolite Carvanha: 13-16 (59 - 72.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
200 SpA Life Orb Houndour Dark Pulse vs. 236 HP / 196+ SpD Eviolite Carvanha: 5-8 (22.7 - 36.3%) -- 11.7% chance to 3HKO after Stealth Rock
200 SpA Life Orb Houndour Fire Blast vs. 236 HP / 196+ SpD Eviolite Carvanha: 8-9 (36.3 - 40.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock
40 Atk Life Orb Houndour Sucker Punch vs. 236 HP / 0 Def Eviolite Carvanha: 5-8 (22.7 - 36.3%) -- 11.7% chance to 3HKO after Stealth Rock
36 Atk Carvanha Aqua Jet vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Houndour: 14-20 (73.6 - 105.2%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO

Carvanha comes in on any of Houndor's attacks, protects to get the Speed Boost, and outspeeds Houndour's Sucker Punch. Despite the calc making it seem like Aqua Jet only OHKO's 6.3% of the time, it actually kills almost every time, because of the recoil from Houndour's Life Orb.

With the given HP EV's and IV's on Houndour, it only has 19 HP. It takes 1hp of recoil from Life Orb, leaving it at 18 HP.

36 Atk Carvanha Aqua Jet vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Houndour: 14-20 (73.6 - 105.2%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO
(14, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 20)

Carvanha then KO's Houndour 15/16 times with Aqua Jet, dealing 18 HP to Houndour each time.