Project Counter That Threat! [Week 6: Doduo]

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Abra @ Focus Sash
Level: 5
Ability: Magic Guard
EVs: 36 Atk / 240 SpA / 200 Spe
Timid Nature
- Psychic
- Dazzling Gleam
- Hidden Power Fighting
- Energy Ball

Simple. Switch into any move, live thanks to Sash, outspeed and OHKO with Psychic. If Gastly Substitutes you still get to hit it twice because it didn't knock you down to Sash on the switch in, so you kill it.
 
Munchlax @ Berry Juice
Ability: Thick Fat
Level: 5
EVs: 236 Atk / 36 Def / 236 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Pursuit
- Body Slam
- Fire Punch
- Recycle

Munchlax resists every hit from Gastly thanks to its monstrous Special Defense, and it can threaten Gastly by its access to Pursuit, KOing it on the switch. If it needs to heal, Recycle is the key.
 
Chespin @ Eviolite
Ability: Bulletproof
Level: 5
EVs: 68 HP / 28 Atk / 156 Def / 236 SpD
Impish Nature
- Seed Bomb
- Zen Headbutt
- Synthesis
- Spikes / Rock Slide / Drain Punch (i'm slashing it because the one you choose here is irrelevant to actually countering gastly)

One of Chespin's uses is literally to counter this gastly set.
Bulletproof makes it so Gastly can only damage it with Dazzling Gleam, and ZHB 2HKOes Gastly. Dgleam needs to get a 1/16 roll twice to 3HKO, and you can just Synthesis off the damage anyways(and even set up spikes if you really want to).
196 SpA Life Orb Gastly Dazzling Gleam vs. 68 HP / 236 SpD Eviolite Chespin: 6-9 (26 - 39.1%) -- 84.5% chance to 3HKO
(6, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 9)
28 Atk Chespin Zen Headbutt vs. 0 HP / 36 Def Gastly: 16-20 (84.2 - 105.2%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO
(16, 16, 16, 16, 16, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 18, 20)
 
Grimer-Alola @ Eviolite
Ability: Poison Touch
Level: 5
EVs: 36 HP / 116 Atk / 116 Def / 196 SpD
Impish Nature
- Shadow Sneak
- Pursuit
- Knock Off
- Gunk Shot

Alolan Grimer can directly switch on Gastly, thanks to its typing and 25/21/21 bulk, and trap it with Pursuit. In case of Substitute, pursuit or Shadow Sneak will be as effective.
 

Zorua @ Flyinium Z
Ability: Illusion
Level: 5
EVs: 236 Atk / 36 SpD / 236 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Sucker Punch
- Swords Dance
- Bounce
- Knock Off

Simple, but flames. KO something disguised as like a Timb with knock. Gast will come in to revenge or sub up. Sucker it. No way you sub up on a foo or timb. That's idiotic. Let's say you sucker it. They go fighting mon to revenge you. Nah you win offensive foo tie and skystrike that man to next tuesday. Pursuit is also an option over SD for a 94% ohko after rocks assuming no switch. You can disguise it for let's say abra and pursuit it as he goes alola-grimes. Also Drew smells like a stunky's ass
 
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Vullaby @ Choice Scarf
Level: 5
Ability: Overcoat
EVs: 236 Atk / 76 SpD / 196 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Brave Bird
- Knock Off
- U-turn
- Rock Smash

Outspeed and OHKOs Gastly, nothing Gastly can do. Choice Scarf Vullaby can also switch into any of Gastly's moves as well.

236 Atk Vullaby Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 0 HP / 36 Def Gastly: 32-38 (168.4 - 200%) -- guaranteed OHKO
 
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Abra @ Focus Sash
Level: 5
Ability: Magic Guard
EVs: 36 Atk / 240 SpA / 200 Spe
Timid Nature
- Psychic
- Dazzling Gleam
- Hidden Power Fighting
- Energy Ball

Simple. Switch into any move, live thanks to Sash, outspeed and OHKO with Psychic. If Gastly Substitutes you still get to hit it twice because it didn't knock you down to Sash on the switch in, so you kill it.
Run counter over hp fight now fren
 

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Pawniard @ Eviolite
Level: 5
Ability: Defiant
EVs: 156 Atk / 36 Def / 116 SpD / 196 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Knock Off
- Iron Head
- Pursuit
- Sucker Punch

Pawniard isn't 2HKOed by any of Gastly's moves and traps and OHKOes Gastly with Pursuit. Gastly could use Substitute but Pawniard will just keep breaking it and is once again not 2HKOed. You could also run Scarf Pawn who outspeeds Gastly but that takes a lot more damage.
 

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I'll be taking this over since I think it can be a useful learning tool. We'll start with the voting from the last threat and then I'll have another threat up in a few days.

Abra @ Focus Sash
Level: 5
Ability: Magic Guard
EVs: 36 Atk / 240 SpA / 200 Spe
Timid Nature
- Psychic
- Dazzling Gleam
- Hidden Power Fighting
- Energy Ball

Munchlax @ Berry Juice
Ability: Thick Fat
Level: 5
EVs: 236 Atk / 36 Def / 236 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Pursuit
- Body Slam
- Fire Punch
- Recycle

Chespin @ Eviolite
Ability: Bulletproof
Level: 5
EVs: 68 HP / 28 Atk / 156 Def / 236 SpD
Impish Nature
- Seed Bomb
- Zen Headbutt
- Synthesis
- Spikes / Rock Slide / Drain Punch

Grimer-Alola @ Eviolite
Ability: Poison Touch
Level: 5
EVs: 36 HP / 116 Atk / 116 Def / 196 SpD
Impish Nature
- Shadow Sneak
- Pursuit
- Knock Off
- Gunk Shot

Vullaby @ Choice Scarf
Level: 5
Ability: Overcoat
EVs: 236 Atk / 76 SpD / 196 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Brave Bird
- Knock Off
- U-turn
- Rock Smash

Pawniard @ Eviolite
Level: 5
Ability: Defiant
EVs: 156 Atk / 36 Def / 116 SpD / 196 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Knock Off
- Iron Head
- Pursuit
- Sucker Punch


Vote for what you think is the most effective and reliable Life Orb Gastly counter. I didn't include Zorua because the scenario for that to work seems a bit off.
 

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Alolan Grimer is the obvious winner here.

This week's threat is Doduo!



Doduo @ Berry Juice
Ability: Early Bird
Level: 5
EVs: 236 Atk / 236 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Brave Bird
- Knock Off
- Jump Kick
- Quick Attack

I'm also going to add a caveat to this, because I've noticed that without doing so, these become incredibly easy and boring. The condition for this week is that your Pokemon of choice cannot be a Rock-type Weak Armor user. Everybody is well aware that WA Onix/Kabuto/Omanyte/Dwebble can beat it. I want to see what else you can come up with. When we get to the voting, we will perform two votes: One for the best choice submitted by you, and one for the best Weak Armor counter between the four Pokemon I mentioned.

Good luck!
 


Cubone @ Thick Club
Ability: Battle Armor
Level: 5
EVs: 36 HP / 196 Atk / 76 Def / 196 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Bonemerang
- Knock Off
- Fire Punch
- Rock Slide

the only pkmn i could think of that wasn't a scarf ice type. Shit is so hard to counter. Slide ohko's and bb is a 2hko
 

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Tirtouga @ Eviolite
Level: 5
Ability: Solid Rock
EVs: 4 HP / 132 Atk / 92 Def / 76 SpD / 180 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Shell Smash
- Waterfall
- Stone Edge
- Zen Headbutt

Yeah yeah, it's a Rock-type with a beneficial ability for this situation. However, it's not Weak Armor so it's allowed. Evio Solid Rock Tirtouga is pretty much the only Pokemon that can take any two moves from Doduo, with the worst case scenarios being Knock Off -> Jump Kick or two Jump Kicks, and always OHKO back unless a miss. Most of the time, Tirtouga even takes another Quick Attack after two JKs, so it can also set up on it, meaning it doesn't even have to risk a SE miss (+2 Waterfall OHKOes). Calcs:
236 Atk Doduo Jump Kick vs. 4 HP / 92 Def Eviolite Solid Rock Tirtouga: 7-10 (31.8 - 45.4%) -- 100% chance to 3HKO
(7, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 10)
236 Atk Doduo Quick Attack vs. 4 HP / 92 Def Eviolite Tirtouga: 2-3 (9 - 13.6%) -- possible 8HKO
(2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3)
Tirtouga takes 2 Jump Kicks + Quick Attack unless two out of those max roll (Tirt has 22 HP)

236 Atk Doduo Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 4 HP / 92 Def Eviolite Tirtouga: 5-7 (22.7 - 31.8%) -- 99.9% chance to 4HKO
(5, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 7)
236 Atk Doduo Jump Kick vs. 4 HP / 92 Def Solid Rock Tirtouga: 12-15 (54.5 - 68.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
(12, 12, 12, 12, 12, 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 13, 15)
236 Atk Doduo Quick Attack vs. 4 HP / 92 Def Tirtouga: 3-3 (13.6 - 13.6%) -- guaranteed 8HKO
(3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3)
Generally, Tirtouga will not take a QA after Koff + JK, but it can still just KO with Stone Edge easily
 


Chinchou @ Berry Juice
Ability: Volt Absorb
Level: 5
EVs: 76 HP / 212 Def / 152 SpA
- Scald
- Volt Switch
- Ice Beam
- HP Ground / Heal Bell

236 Atk Doduo Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 76 HP / 212+ Def Chinchou: 9-11 (36 - 44%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
(9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 11)
236 Atk Doduo Jump Kick vs. 76 HP / 212+ Def Chinchou: 10-12 (40 - 48%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
(10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 11, 11, 11, 11, 11, 11, 11, 11, 12)

152 SpA Chinchou Volt Switch vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Doduo: 20-26 (100 - 130%) -- guaranteed OHKO
(20, 20, 20, 20, 24, 24, 24, 24, 24, 24, 24, 24, 24, 24, 24, 26)
If you are worried about diglett:
152 SpA Chinchou Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Doduo: 20-24 (100 - 120%) -- guaranteed OHKO
(20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 22, 22, 22, 22, 22, 22, 22, 22, 24)

The only real issue with this is that it can be worn down if switched in on doduo multiple times. Chinchou overall is an incredibly useful pokemon so it functions v well outside of countering doduo