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Counter that Uber Pokémon - MkII

Discussion in 'BW Ubers' started by gookie, Jan 27, 2012.

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  1. Mr_br_kill

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    If you slap a choice band on something with 140 base attack, it is very hard to straight up counter, you're best bet is to troll it. and the only thing that can troll groundon, and pretty much everything is in ubers is wobbefett

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    Wobbuffet @ leftovers
    Shadow tag
    28 hp 252 def 228 sp def
    Bold/Calm
    Encore
    Mirror Coat
    Counter
    Safeguard/Tickle

    Wobbuffet takes 64.2% - 75.6% from Groundon's STAB cb earthquake and does over nine thousand damage back with counter. Wobbufet also trolls pretty much every scarfer in the game, KOing them back with mirror coat or counter. he can even go toe to toe with +2 extreme killer arceuse with there are no hazards.
  2. Frizy

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    This is fun.

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    Darkrai @ Leftovers / Life Orb
    Trait: Bad Dreams
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    - Nasty Plot
    - Dark Pulse
    - Dark Void
    - Focus Blast


    Darkrai pretty much rolls over Wobbuffet. It can put it to sleep and avoid getting Encored with Dark Void, and then proceed to set up with Nasty Plot or just smash Wobb with a x2 STAB LO-boosted Dark Pulse. Even if Wobb is at good health and survives Dark Pulse, Darkrai is immune to any Mirror Coat antics by the virtue of its typing. This is the standard Darkrai set, with the ev distribution maximizing sweeping potential. Dark Void gives Darkrai a pretty much guaranteed set up and, at worst, incapacitates an opposing pokemon. Nasty Plot boosts Darkrai's Special Attack up to a ridiculous 738 after only one use. Dark Pulse is your standard STAB attack while Focus Blast is your coverage move of choice, hitting many otherwise problematic pokemon, such as Tyranitar and Ferrothorn. Leftovers vs Life Orb is pretty much down to personal preferrence, the former increasing survivability while the later increases power.
  3. CrazyBacon

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    Hercross@Choice Scarf.
    Adamant
    4HP/252Atk/252Spe
    -Megahorn
    -Close Combat
    -Stone Edge
    -Sleep Talk

    I present to you, Heracross.

    Heracross can effectively swap in on any of darkrais moves and cause the nightmare pokemon to have bad dreams. Dark pulse doesn't manage a 2HKO, and neither does focus blast thanks to heracross resisting the moves. If Hercross swaps in on dark void, then it can simply outspeed and use sleep talk for a 66% chance too OHKO darkrai (assuming megahorn and close combat hit) and even stone edge will cause darkrai some discomfort landing a 2-3 hit KO.
    Close combat and Megahorn give heracross powerful dual stabs and stone edge can help revenge kill Ho-oH if you're worried about the large turkey (although don't switch in directly). Night slash is an option to hit the Giratinas harder. Sleep talk is there only for darkrai, since sleep inducing moves outside of dark void are seldom seen.
  4. NTT

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    Weezing@Leftovers
    Bold
    252HP/80Def/176SpAtt
    Flamethrower
    Clear Smog
    Pain Split
    Will-O-Wisp/Sludge Bomb

    Weezing laughs in the face of ScarfCross, resisting or being immune to the entire moveset. The EV set leaves Heracross unable to even 4HKO while guaranteeing a 2HKO with Flamethrower. Clear Smog allows for PHazing if a switch in thinks it can use Weezing as setup bait, while Pain Split provides some sort of recovery. The last slot either allows Weezing to spread status (Good prediction skills can leave it susceptible to Hera again though, Guts turns Stone Edge from a 5HKO into a potential 3HKO), while Sludge Bomb provides a solid 3HKO on Hera again should rain render Flamethrower useless.
  5. waterwarrior

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    Dude, Weezing in Ubers. This thread is so boss. So, on to other ridiculous things!
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    Jynx @ Leftovers
    Dry Skin
    Timid
    200 HP / 4 Def / 88 SpD / 216 Spe
    -Lovely Kiss
    -Nasty Plot
    -Ice Beam
    -Substitute

    As Flamethrower will rarely 2HKO this Jynx, it can easily come in on anything that Weezing can throw at it and put it to sleep with Lovely Kiss. After Lovely Kiss hits, its easy to set up a Substitute and begin setting up Nasty Plots. Clear Smog doesn't go through Substitutes, so Jynx has incredibly little to fear. Pain Split will actually help Jynx more than hurt thanks to her lower base HP stat. After a single NP, Ice Beam has a 56% chance to OHKO Weezing with no prior damage, and can still use its base 95 Speed to outspeed and KO many of the Dragon-types in Ubers.
  6. bojangles

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    Manaphy @ Leftovers
    Timid | 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
    ~ Calm Mind
    ~ Rest
    ~ Scald
    ~ Ice Beam

    Aside from the fact that I still don't consider Jynx a real threat in Ubers, Manaphy walks all over Jynx. Manaphy is undoubtably the better rain abuser, since Lovely Kiss's sleep will be cured by Hydration. Manaphy can Calm Mind alongside Jynx's Nasty Plot and win the battle thanks to Rest and the Special Defense boosts. After multiple boosts, Manaphy will easily break Jynx's Substitutes with Ice Beam while Jynx's own Ice Beams will leave a lot to be desired.
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    Shedinja @ Lum Berry
    Adamant | 252 HP / 252 Atk
    ~ Swords Dance
    ~ X-Scissor
    ~ Shadow Sneak
    ~ DIG

    Yeah you read that right. 252 HP GIVES ME MORE THAN 0 HP OMG

    Now the next post is
    -Skarmory
    -Ferrothorn
    -Rough Skin Pokemon
    -Rocky Helmet Pokemon
    -Status mon
    -Giratina

    Right?
  8. DDRMaster

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    Groudon @ Leftovers
    EVs: 252 HP/4 Atk/252 Def
    Nature: Impish
    Ability: Drought

    ~ Earthquake
    ~ Fire Blast
    ~ Dragon Tail
    ~ Stealth Rock

    Groudon doesn't mind any attack Shedinja can throw at it and can either OHKO with Fire Blast or set up Stealth Rock so it won't be able to come back in.
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    Cresselia @ Light Clay
    Nature: Bold (+Def / -Atk)
    EVs: 252 HP / 132 Def / 120 SpDef
    Ability: Levitate

    - Moonlight
    - Toxic
    - Reflect
    - Ice Beam

    Cresselia just laughs at Groudon's attacks. With the sun up, she can just recover more than half HP thanks to Moonlight and with the help of Reflect she won't be going down anytime soon. Toxic to just stall physical attackers and Ice Beam for Dragons that want to set up (SubHone Zekrom, SDQuaza).
  10. Shineygengar

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    Darkrai @ leftovers
    ability: bad dreams
    modest nature (+spa -atk)
    - substitute
    - taunt
    - dark pulse
    - nasty plot
    EVs: 252 hp/ 202 spa/ 54 spd

    even with no investment darkrai out speeds cresselia, and can set up substitute to block toxic, or taunt it and force its ice beam to do, 16.3% - 19.2%. at +2 darkrai has a chance to OHKO cresselia, and it can easily get +4 anyway. i could / substitute and taunt and have f-blast to make it harder to counter but i like to play it safe. also taunt + substitute seems really cool.

    (also sorry for using a pokemon used on this same page, but this ones very different and unique)
  11. locoghoul

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    Well, we've had 2 Groudons and 2 Darkrais already. Let's keep it original guys,

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    Bisharp @ Life Orb
    Ability: Inner Focus
    Nature: Adamant (+Atk, - SpAtk)
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe
    Swords Dance
    Brick Break
    Night Slash
    Sucker Punch

    The only thing Darkrai can do is Taunt Bisharp and that's not stopping him from breaking his sub and forcing him out. Dark/Fighting gives almost perfect coverage and his typing gives him great resistances. Inner Focus so it can also serve as a good Skymin counter.
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    Arceus-Steel @ iron plate
    Ability: Inner Focus
    Nature: Adamant (+Atk, - SpAtk)
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe
    -Swords Dance
    -Iron Head
    -Brick Break
    -Recover

    Steel-Arceus has more than enough bulk to survive Brick Break, while his own Brick Break will demolish Bisharp. Iron Head flinches opponents and is Arceus's best STAB physically. Recover keeps Arceus alive for a long time while Swords Dance allows it to sweep.

    Adamant nature gives you more power and it hits Groudon, Lugia and Giratina for much more damage compared to the standard Steel Arceus. It can also function well as a Dragon-type resist with it's bulk. Brick Break smashes Ferrothorn and opposing Arceus. Earthquake can be used to KO Dialga and Jirachi at +2.
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    Huh, what's with the minimum Speed? If you say so:

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    Garchomp @ Choice Band
    Ability: Sand Veil
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
    Nature: Jolly
    - Outrage
    - Dual Chop
    - Earthquake
    - Stone Edge

    This thing is such a boss. Deals a ton of damage to Steel Arceus, while severely damaging other threats too. Ferrothorn thinks it can switch in... only to get 2HKOed by EQ. Unless your name is Lugia, Skarm or Grass Arceus (even Lugia needs to tread carefully around Stone Edge), you're not likely to switch into this thing and winning if you get your prediction wrong. Dual Chop is also cool to bypass those stupid BP Smeargles' Focus Sashes too.
  14. locoghoul

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    Bronzong @ Leftovers
    Ability: Levitate
    Nature: Relaxed (+Def, -Spe)
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def

    - Rest
    - Gyro Ball
    - Bulldoze
    - Sleep Talk

    This Bronzong can switch into any of Chomp's attacks as a CB Outrage maxes out at 38%. If it switches into any other attack, it can threaten him with a STAB Gyro Ball that does around 33% or just rest off the damage to live another day. This set can also be used to wall Groudon in the rain.

    Try to be original when coming up with a counter for this Zong. Don't just post CM Lugia
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    Kyore @ Choice Specs
    Ability: Drizzle
    Nature: Modest (+SpA, -Atk)
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 Spe
    ~ Water Spout
    ~ Surf / Hydro Pump
    ~ Thunder
    ~ Ice Beam

    Water Spout or Hydro Pump OHKOes Bronzong easily. Gyro Ball tickles while Bulldoze isn't doing anything but lowering Speed. -1 Kyogre still outspeeds Bronzong anyway. Thunder smashes opposing Kyogre while Ice Beam destroys Dragon-types and prevents Grass Arceus from coming in. Specs Kyogre tears through anything not named Gastrodon, even Palkia dies to Thunder or Ice Beam. Shedinja sucks, while Latias can't counter this without Soul Dew.
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    Jynx @ Leftovers
    Trait: Dry Skin
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SDef
    Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
    - Calm Mind
    - Lovely Kiss
    - Ice Beam
    - Psyshock

    Unless Kyogre gets massive Thunderhax (or LK misses) it's not breaking through this (Specs Thunder is a 3HKO thanks to Dry Skin + Lefties). Walls Water Spout and Ice Beam, is faster, puts Kyogre to sleep and proceeds to laugh at anything it does once a few CMs have been stacked.
  17. NTT

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    Espeon@Leftovers
    Calm (Magic Bounce)
    252HP/252SpDef/6Def
    Yawn
    Calm Mind
    Psycho Shock
    Shadow Ball/HP Fighting/Baton Pass

    Bulky Espeon laughs at Bulky Jynx. Magic Bounce is the obvious means of screwing her over, switching in on Lovely Kiss and putting Jynx to bed, also making Darkrai's job that little bit harder. The EV spread means Jynx can't even guarantee a 3HKO at +1 (Factoring in Leftovers) with Ice Beam, giving ample opportunity to hit it with Yawn and set up a Calm Mind to either attack with or pass on to something that appreciates the boost. An alternative EV spread of 252HP/160SpDef/96Spe can make passing easier, allowing Espeon to outspeed neutral natured 252Spe base 90s, but guarantees Jynx a 3HKO at +1 and even a 2HKO with Stealth Rock. Psycho Shock for STAB, the last slot can either provide coverage or make Espy more of a team player.
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    Tyranitar@Choice Scarf
    Adamant/Lonely Nature, 252 Att/4SpD/252Spe
    Stone Edge
    Crunch
    Pursuit
    Low Kick/Ice Beam

    ScarfTar is one of the best counters the Espeon, easily switching in on anything except HP Fighting to OHKO with Crunch or Pursuit. Tyranitar also provides Sandstorm, negating Espeon's Leftovers recovery. The EVs are pretty standard for ScarfTar since he doens't need to run any extra SpD to survive one HP Fighting thanks to Sandstorm. If you you want to tank one after a Calm Mind, 12 SpD EVs can be used to ensure survival, even after SR. An Adamant Nature is used since Espeon isn't running any Speed; this can provide some insurance should you opt for Pursuit and Espeon doesn't switch, though it still isn't a OHKO without hazard damage. Low Kick deals nice damage to Dialga and opposing T-Tar, while Ice Beam can be useful against things like Rayquaza and Salamence...just make sure you change your nature to Lonely if you use Ice Beam.
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    Forretress @ leftovers
    Nature: Relaxed (+Def, -SpD)
    Ability: Sturdy
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
    ~ Toxic
    ~ Spikes
    ~ Rapid Spin
    ~ Gyro Ball

    Stone Edge isn't strong enough to take out Forretress while the rest of the attacks do little damage. Gyro Ball will 2HKO Tyranitar because it is holding a Choice Scarf, powering up Gyro Ball. Spikes and Rapid Spin are standard on Forretress, which is a wonderful advantage over Ferrothorn.

    Toxic allows Forretress to cripple potential Ho-Oh/Arceus/Giratina-O switch ins. Max physical Defense to take on SD Arceus and Terrakion. Gyro Ball takes out Terrakion after Close Combat while Toxic destroys Arceus. +2 Brick Break does little damage to this Forretress.
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    Reshiram @ Choice Specs
    Ability: Turboblaze
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    Nature: Modest
    - Blue Flare
    - Draco Meteor
    - Dragon Pulse
    - Flamethrower / Focus Blast

    Reshiram is such a nuke. There isn't a thing that Forretress can do to it apart from Toxic, which Reshiram hardly cares about since it's just coming and blowing shit up anyway. Blue Flare OHKOs will never fail to OHKO Forretress, Draco Meteor destroys Kyogre switch-ins. There isn't a Pokemon that can switch into this safely with possibly the exception of Rock Arceus. Focus Blast destroys Tyranitar as well.
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    Ho-Oh @ Leftovers
    Ability: Pressure
    Nature: Careful
    EVs: 248 HP / 40 Atk / 196 SpDef / 16 Spe

    - Roost
    - Toxic
    - Sacred Fire
    - Whirlwind/Earthquake

    Ho-Oh can wall Reshiram anyday given that SR are not up. He can just roost off the damage from Draco Meteor and drain all his PP. In the sun this thing can also wall Palkia and Dialga by toxic/PP stalling them. If against a stat upper or RestTalk poke, Whirlwind does wonders. Earthquake in case you fear Heatran, although he is not that common nowadays.
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    We've already had a couple Heatran, but oh well...

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    Heatran@ Air Balloon
    Timid Nature, 212HP/252SpA/44Spe
    Stealth Rock
    Roar
    Lava Plume
    Earth Power/Ancientpower

    This Heatran is the bane of the Ho-Oh listed above. Thanks to Air Balloon, nothing the Rainbow Phoenix carries can touch him, while he's free to set up Stealth Rocks or Roar Ho-Oh away. The EVs maximize bulk and Special Attack while still giving enough Speed to outpace the EV spread on the Ho-Oh above. This means that you can reliably Roar him out before he Whirlwinds you. Lava Plume is STAB, and gains a nice boost from the Sun that Ho-Oh is usually supported by. Earth Power hits Dialga, Zekrom, and Reshiram hard while AncientPower is Heatran's most damaging option against Ho-Oh, should your REALLY want to counter it.
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    Before I post a counter, Heatran with 44 Speed EVs will UNDERSPEED a 0 EV Speed Ho-Oh. Hidden Power Rock is also a better option against Ho-Oh because it's stronger and has way more pp. 8 PP Ancient Power is easily pressure stalled.

    Conclusion: Heatran sucks. Dragon Pulse is also a better option compared to Earth Power to hit the Dragon-types harder. Dialga is neutral to Fire-type attacks.

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    Gyarados@ leftovers
    Ability: Intimidate
    Careful Nature
    248 HP/ 176 SpD / 84 Spe
    Earthquake / Waterfall
    Dragon Tail
    Taunt
    Toxic

    I have seen Mismagius, Weezing, Steelix and other random Pokemon so I don't see why Gyarados shouldn't be included here. If you want it to be seriously competitive, remove ALL useless pokemons in Ubers for this thread.

    Anyway, Gyarados actually does something besides smashing Heatran with Earthquake / Waterfall. Intimidate is a fun and extremely useful ability, making Gyarados a team player. For example, a -1 Deoxys-A can no longer take out Ferrothorn in one hit.

    Base 125 Attack is still acceptable, especially in the rain where Waterfall becomes quite powerful. Dragon Tail forces any thing out, while doing good damage to those weak to it. ( which is quite common due to the many Dragon-types )

    The main thing Gyarados has is TAUNT. It makes Stall useless against it while Blissey takes quite a bit from Waterfall. Taunt Giratina before it burns you and phaze it out first, Taunt non Toxic Lugia, annoy Forretress, Toxic CM Ground/Fighting Arceus as it does nothing to you. Walls the crap out of non Will-O-Wisp Steel Arceus as well. Gyarados can Taunt and Earthquake it to death. Defensive Kyogre can't do much to Gyarados either while it gets phazed out.

    EVs outspeed slow base 90s and maximize Special bulk to take on Dialga better. Taunt it first and KO with Earthquake. Special bulk helps to survive Draco Meteor easier and Intimidate boosts Gyarados's Defense to acceptable levels anyway.
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    He's using a Timid nature (I haven't actually bothered to work it about, but it probably should outspeed Ho-oh), I almost missed it too.

    Anyway, since we're allowed to have random mons, to counter Gyarados, we have:

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    Rotom-W @ Choice Scarf
    Ability: Levitate
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    Nature: Timid
    - Volt Switch
    - Thunder
    - Hydro Pump
    - Hidden Power Ice

    Good typing, good attacks, Volt Switch and Thunder, along with Levitate to avoid Spikes. If Rotom-W's stats weren't subpar, he'd probably be a genuinely good Pokemon to use in Ubers. In the rain, it hits pretty hard. I've trolled with Rotom-C and thought it was usable, so I can't see why Rotom-W can't be used either, hehe. There isn't a thing that Gyarados can do to this thing apart from Toxic or Dragon Tail, the former is something Rotom-W doesn't really care about, while Dragon Tail does jack shit.
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    Obamasnow @ Leftovers
    Nature: Sassy (+SpDef, -Spe)
    Ability: Snow Warning
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpDef

    - Blizzard
    - Substitute
    - Leech Seed
    - Focus Punch

    It walls it in OU, I don't see why not in Ubers; plus isn't he the research week pokemon? Anyways, it doesn't fear any of Rotom-W's attacks, the fact that it doesn't have Trick makes it even easier to switch into. He can then sub to ease prediction or just Leech Seed right away if there is no Ferrothorn in the other team. Blizzard and Focus Punch hits phazers that try to spoil the fun real hard (Lugia, Giratina-A, Groudon, Dialga, Wallceus). If his stats didn't suck so bad (or SR weak), he would even be a decent Kyogre switch.
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