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Counter That Uber Pokémon! - Teambuilder [Team 1 Voting!]

Discussion in 'BW Ubers' started by Furai, Apr 30, 2012.

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  1. Blim

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    I'll vote for -Manaphy--'s Palkia . It's not easily counterable without using stuff like arceus grass / chansey / spd. dialga, all of which are usually seen on stallish teams anyway. Although it looks like zekrom will win, am not sure how effective it'll be since team 2 could just slap on a bulky arceus ground / bulldoze ferro or even a gimmick like dugtrio to give it big trouble.
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    Point well noted... Palkia's supreme coverage and speed may make it the better candidate as its type coverage is superb. However, Palkia can be similarly taken advantage of by things like Wobbuffet, Lugia (no thunder), Sp.Def Groudon (soft check), and as you rightly said Grass Arceus (rain), Chansey, and Dialga; if the opposing team chooses Wobbuffet that Palkia is going to die if it stays on the field to kill something unless you predict marvellously well or crit with Outrage (surf in rain 2hkos, so there's that!).

    Admittedly, Zekrom is easier to fiddle around with Bulldoze Ferrothorn and Ground Arceus being massive thorns in its side but, like Chansey, Arceus Grass, and Dialga are more common staples of a team and can run standard sets. Ground Arceus is a rarity because it's weak to pretty much every special attack, Bulldoze Ferrothorn will lack Power Whip or Gyro Ball and can be taken advantage of by things like Shaymin-S in the absence of the latter, and Sub CM Kyogre in the absence of the former.

    Another interesting option as a Zekrom counter is Curse Ferrothorn but I'm just going somewhat off tangent now...

    man i really wanna use curse ferro
  3. barry4ever

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    Furai's Darkrai - Darkrai is one of those Pokemon which tbh doesnt even have any counters and every check can be bypassed with proper team support and smart play. Also the classic NP Darkrai needs some love, so yeah there goes my vote.
  4. Furai

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    So, Poppy's Zekrom is the first Pokemon on Team 1!


    All I can say is: fuck. This Zekrom hits like a truck, at +1 it strips down 77.7% maximum of Wallceus's HP with Bolt Strike, just to give an example. The closest we could get to countering this beast, would be Ground Arceus:

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    Arceus-Ground @ Earth Plate
    Trait: Multitype
    EVs: 252 HP / 132 Def / 124 Spd
    Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
    - Calm Mind
    - Recover
    - Judgment
    - Ice Beam

    EVs are optimised to outrun Zekrom and it can easily OHKO it with an un-boosted Judgment after Stealth Rock. This Ground Arceus takes 66.44% - 78.37% from a +1 Outrage, and it can Recover back the damage. Ice Beam can be used to hit Shaymin-S switchins, Rayquaza, and Salamence. Calm Mind also makes this Arceus a beast, boosting its Special Attack and Defense to high levels. once it has packed a few boosts under its belt, it can easily sweep!
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    Nothing else takes on Zekrom as well to be honest.

    Looking forward to drowning Ground-Arceus with Kyogre or Water Arceus.
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    That Zekrom seems to die really easily, just saying. Anyway, just so we don't have to use an Arceus form, we can use HIPPOWDON!!

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    Hippowdon @ Leftovers
    Ability: Sand Stream
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
    Nature: Impish
    - Earthquake
    - Stealth Rock
    - Slack Off
    - Roar

    Yeah, you're still taking 65%ish from +1 Outrage (provided it gets to +1), but you can easily switch into Sub, and then just EQ for easy pickings. Since Zekrom is holding Life Orb, Sand + LO + Sub + (SR) = Dead Zekrom in a couple of turns, easily. Using Hippowdon means using a Sand team, I guess, but if you don't want to run Sand, you can always use Sand Force, I guess.
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    Yes, I wanted to nominate Hippowdon as well. Though, please remove the slashes as mentioned earlier. Anyways, my nomination:

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    Groudon @ Leftovers
    Trait: Drought
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
    Impish Nature (+Def, -Atk)
    - Rest
    - Sleep Talk
    - Earthquake
    - Dragon Tail

    Standard support Groudon loses to that Zekrom and for good reason: lack of recovery. Groudon can get worn down quite easily, which leaves it in Outrage range quite easily. This set though has recovery in RestTalk which, while rather unreliable, is a good way of dealing with it and provides recovery. It can then take on Zekrom as both moves it can select will break Zekrom's Substitute. Earthquake will also KO Zekrom after one Substitute, or after one round of Stealth Rock and Life Orb damage. I've chosen Dragon Tail in the last slot to provide a phazing move, and it works similarly to RestTalk Gyarados in OU as it provides good coverage with its powerful STAB. Roar could work here for phazing through Zekrom's Substitute, but imo it's not worth the power and being walled by any Ground immunes, as Dragon Tail always breaks Zekrom's sub so it can't Sub up on Dragon Tail.
  8. Furai

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    Okay, enough sets have been submitted!

    Here are our candidates;

    Again, you are allowed to vote only to one set, and may not vote for yourself.

    My vote goes to shrang's Hippowdon. Hippowdon is really underrated, and I truly cannot believe I overlooked it like that. It's also really solid with Slack Off, and sandstorm will wear Zekrom extremely fast with Life Orb recoil.
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    Voting for Hippo for all the reasons FURAI stated
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    Furai's Calm Mind Ground Arceus
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    cm ground arceus

    i don't wanna have to be stuck with a bs stally team
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    restalk groudon
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    hone claws on the switch means that + 1 outrage 2hkos groudon and hippowdon, ferrothorn is also 2hko'd.

    furai's ground arceus
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    furai's ground arceus.
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    Hippowdon
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    ground arceus, because the other ones don't counter Zekrom completely
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    Shrang's Hippowdon
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    I really like Furai's Groundceus. Idk what else a Hippowdon could do in Ubers besides counter Zekrom, other than die.
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    Arceus-Ground.
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    Hippowdon

    I really dislike CM Ground Arceus as there are other Arceus formes which are arguably better at acting as a CM sweeper as well as performing other auxillary functions. If I'm going to use Ground Arceus, I'm only ever going to use the SD set which can actually do a lot of damage and is immediately threatening. Not to mention that picking Arceus as a the first mon isnt really a very wise idea as it leaves us unable to patch up any weaknesses at the end.
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    Hippowdon
    Save Arceus for later.
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    Hippowdon

    no point wasting an arceus form, and hippos is such a BEAST
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    Hippowdon

    Really cool and underrated pick. And I always like to add some 'unique' touch to Pokemon teams, so Hippowdon fits in perfectly in my opinion. And in this case he adds perfect utility so... why not. And it would be nice to not use Arceus yet, he may be usefull for something else. My vote goes for him ;).
  25. Furai

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    Okay then, Hippowdon is our next teammate! I like this actually, though it might require cautious play as it cannot switch into a +1 Outrage. Plus double Dragon will be extremely annoying. Therefore, I recommend Excadrill:
    This nomination is for TEAM 2, just pointing that out.

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    Excadrill @ Life Orb
    Trait: Sand Rush
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Swords Dance
    - Earthquake
    - Rock Slide
    - Rapid Spin

    Arugably the best Sand abuser in the game (Garchomp can count into here too but meh!). Providing Rapid Spin support is just a must in Ubers and it can also give us an insurance against Salamence, Dialga, and Zekrom by revenge killing them. Rayquaza remains an annoyance but whatever. Why Jolly? Because it's pretty cool to beat opposing Excadrill and smack them with Earthquake before they get to Rapid Spin stuff away. It also allows Excadrill to outspeed +2 216 Speed Groudon, Choice Scarf Shaymin-S, Mewtwo, and Darkrai, making Excadrill almost unbeatable by Choice Scarf users. Fine Adamant nature it is
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