How and how this thread got hi-jacked is beyond me (I actually have and idea how -mean look to Ginganinja). Both ideas are quite distinct and deserve their own thread: -A per pokemon list of counters. Say 3 sets for the same pokemon and a pokemon (or several) to counter them all. -Double teambuilding with one countering the other. The approach is quite different. One is basically a 1v1 and the other is a team approach. The latter requires synergy, can rely on revenge killing and needs much more global thinking. I do like both ideas. Meloetta also gets my vote even if she has problems against ghost types (immune to relic song and close combat).