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Cresselia(QC 2/2 GP 2/2)

Discussion in 'Uploaded Analyses' started by Biosci, Jan 21, 2012.

  1. Biosci

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    [Overview]

    <p>Cresselia is one of the bulkiest Pokemon in all of VGC, excluding a few Ubers from VGC 2010. With her incredible bulk, Cresselia is able to take large amounts of damage with relative ease, making her a reliable user of Trick Room. With a vast movepool to complement her bulk, Cresselia becomes an amazing supporter supplying things such as dual screens, Helping Hand, and ways to lower the opponent's Speed. When it comes to the attractive combination of support versatility and high bulk, few Pokemon stand out as much as Cresselia.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Supporter
    move 1: Icy Wind / Thunder Wave
    move 2: Psychic
    move 3: Light Screen / Reflect
    move 4: Helping Hand / Rest
    item: Sitrus Berry / Chesto Berry
    nature: Calm
    evs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>
    This set utilizes Cresselia's excellent bulk and fantastic movepool to create a powerful support Pokemon. Each time Icy Wind hits an opponent, their Speed decreases. Thunder Wave is also another option to regulate Speed but gets no use against Pokemon like Garchomp or Excadrill, or Pokemon with Lightningrod on the field. Psychic gives Cresselia an attacking option if she gets taunted or needs to quickly KO a weakened Pokemon. Light Screen or Reflect make great choices for helping your teams defensive capabilities. The move you use can depend on what kind of attacks your team is weak to. If you have trouble with moves like Surf, Discharge, or other weather abusing attackers Light Screen would be the preferred choice; if many of your Pokemon have issues with physical attacks like Rock Slide or Earthquake, Reflect is the obvious choice. A great supporting move Cresselia can use is Helping Hand, which boosts her partner's attacks, gaining significant KOs. Rest is also an option in tandem with Chesto Berry, helping Cresselia last longer as a supporter in matches.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The choice of item depends on what kind of recovery you would prefer. Sitrus Berry is great quick recovery for matches,while Chesto Berry is preferred for use with Rest to keep Cresselia awake. However,it can serve use without Rest by defending Cresselia against sleep inducing moves. Levitate is Cresselia's only ability and provides a Ground-type immunity, meaning partners such as Garchomp can spam Earthquake. A Calm nature can be used to add onto Cresselia's special bulk. The EV spread aims to provide as much special bulk as possible to tank those common spread moves, such as Surf, Discharge, and Blizzard, whilst cushioning against strong special Ghost-type moves, such as Shadow Ball. An EV spread of 252 HP / 84 SpA / 172 SpD gives Cresselia the ability to 2HKO Hitmontop. This spread also works well with Ice Beam to get easy 2HKOs on opponents weak to Ice. You can replace Psychic on the set to compensate for the other kind of screen support you chose, giving the classic dual screen coverage to fend off assaults from both attacking stats. Protect also makes a good choice,keeping Cresselia alive longer with prediction. Cresselia can use Trick Room on this set to counter opposing Trick Room users, or to regulate the speed of the game when you know the opposition outspeeds Cresselia's partners.</p>

    <p>Cresselia, being the great supporter it is, can pair with lots of different Pokemon, especially with hard hitting Pokemon such as Garchomp or Abomasnow who benefit from Helping Hand. Slow bulky Pokemon are excellent partners for Cresselia because of the way she can change the tempo of the game with Trick Room, Icy Wind or Thunder Wave. Tyranitar and other Dark-types provide trouble for Cresselia while it is supporting its team, so having ways to take these kinds of Pokemon out immensely extends Cresselia's longevity. A Pokemon with Intimidate, such as Hitmontop, Salamence, or Gyarados is a great partner to weaken physical attacks that would otherwise heavily dent Cresselia.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Trick Room Setter
    move 1: Trick Room
    move 2: Psychic
    move 3: Helping Hand / Safeguard
    move 4: Light Screen / Reflect
    item: Sitrus Berry / Mental Herb
    nature: Sassy / Relaxed
    evs: 252 HP / 64 Def / 192 SpD
    ivs: 0 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>In this metagame, Cresselia is no doubt, the best Trick Room set-up user. Psychic helps KO worn down Pokemon and provides a nice way to deal out huge damage to the common Fighting-types. Cresselia can also remain as a supporter and maximize her team's offensive potential with Helping Hand, boosting her partner's moves such as Earthquake or Rock Slide. One of the most annoying ways people deal with Trick Room is to put all the Pokemon to sleep. This creates a better opportunity for them to stall and KO your Pokemon while taking no damage. You can solve this problem with Safeguard. Screens also make a fine choice, as they help Pokemon set up and are usually successful in VGC. The screen to use depends on what support the team needs. If you have trouble with special attacks, Light Screen would be the screen of choice, while Reflect is the obvious choice for defending against physical attacks.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Cresselia will be taking a lot of damage in matches, so Sitrus Berry is the item of choice for quick recovery. If you have trouble with Sitrus Berry or Taunt users, Mental Herb is a completely fine option to be able to set Trick Room immediately without being Taunted. Levitate is Cresselia's only ability and provides a Ground-type immunity meaning partners, like Garchomp can spam Earthquake. A Sassy nature gives more special bulk and may be preferred to take powerful weather boosted moves. A Relaxed nature allows Cresselia to take physical hits better and still have some special bulk from the given EV spread. The EV spread is just an all around build to tank more hits better. A Trick Room setter it will commonly find itself being double targeted, necessitating an all-around bulky build to be successful in surviving a lot of the time. Protect can still keep Cresselia alive longer with good prediction.</p>

    <p>Because this set is dedicated to setting up Trick Room, Trick Room abusers, like Rhyperior and Snorlax, are some of the best partners for Cresselia. Fake Out users, like Scrafty and Hariyama, are wonderful for Cresselia as they can disable a threat for one turn, which is enough for Cresselia to set up Trick Room. These kinds of Pokemon also can give Cresselia safety from Dark-types such as Tyranitar and Bisharp. Strong attackers with Intimidate work well with Cresselia, cushioning her against physical attacks. Sadly, not many Intimidate users are slow enough for optimal Trick Room use.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Cresselia is one of the few Pokemon that can use a Calm Mind set in VGC. However, flinches or
    full paralyses can be annoying if you're trying to set up. A Bold nature can be used in tandem with an EV spread of 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD to wall physical threats better. Psycho Shift and Toxic or Flame Orb combination is cool to try to spread around status ailments and stop physical attackers. Moonlight can be used for recovery, but with weather changing so much in this metagame, the amount recovered will vary. Lunar Dance can be used to sacrifice a weakened Cresselia to heal a weakened teammate to full health. Magic Coat can bounce back status moves that can be troublesome to your team. With a Choice item, Cresselia can abuse Trick to force opponents to use moves like Protect. Recycle can be used if you have Sitrus Berry to provide an easy constant form of recovery. Psyshock can be used as an alternative to Psychic to hit Blissey and Chansey harder.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Fake Out and Taunt both hurt Cresselia by preventing it from supporting its teammates, through either flinching it for one turn or disabling its non-attacking moves for three turns. Strong attackers like Tyranitar, Bisharp, and Metagross can be troublesome with their appropriate Gems. As far as special attackers go, nothing can OHKO Cresselia without a critical hit . However, opponents such as Chandelure and Volcarona can 2HKO Cresselia with Shadow Ball or Bug Buzz. Imprison users with Trick Room prevent Cresselia from setting up Trick Room. Roar also prevents Cresselia from setting up Trick Room, as it phazes Cresselia out before it can set up.</p>
  2. Biosci

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    The mighty duck is finally ready for QC. This is a tough one to name everything for, so help is appreciated. Thanks, hopefully I didn't do terrible with writing this x_x
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    Use the EVs moof used in his RMT EVs: 252 HP / 84 Special Attack / 172 Special Defense, i've tested it and getting a little bit more power without sacrificisng Speical Defense is very useful

    Also, maybe make Dual Screens a seperate set, to clear up the slashes?
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    I'd keep muffinhead's spread in AC and mention what it does, but that's just me. Mention Ice Beam somewhere if only for the extra power against Garchomp and company.
  5. Biosci

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    Well thing is, that spread has specific uses to fight off certain threats for that team. I'll get some QC weigh in on it before mentioning it to be safe.

    When I was thinking up the set ideas for Cresselia, and originally I was gonna have a dual screens set, but that just seemed it was turning into the Supporter set without the specific moves. I'll mention AC the use of dual screens though.
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    In this metagame, Cresselia is no doubt, the best Trick Room setter.

    except for fake out

    my cressy set yay . 3.

    only calm in first set, bold in oo
    light screen as first slash for both sets, sassy > relaxed. weather is op


    move 3: Safeguard / Helping Hand

    i think in general HH is better for tr team for spamming EQs, especially on a tr team.


    /me cresselias this set 1 / 2
  7. Biosci

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    I'll implement the rest of the changes when I get home, thanks for the check I really did think hard about the stuff that got put in here xD

    edit: all implemented
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    I hate saying it so much but "irc changes made". It just makes the check look so lame ARGH

    but yeah work was done QC 2 / 2
  9. Biosci

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    Thanks, and just gonna give this a quick read through then let GP have it's way.
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    [Overview]

    <p>Cresselia is one of the bulkiest Pokemon in all of VGC, excluding a few Ubers from VGC 2010. With her incredible bulk, Cresselia sets up Trick Room well by tanking a few hits for set up. With a vast movepool to complement her bulk, Cresselia becomes an amazing supporter supplying things such as dual screens, Helping Hand, and ways to lower the opponent's Speed. Not many Pokemon are like Cresselia when it comes to everything it can do such as setting up Trick Room and supporting the team, and no one can match her bulk.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Supporter
    move 1: Icy Wind / Thunder Wave
    move 2: Psychic
    move 3: Light Screen / Reflect
    move 4: Helping Hand / Rest
    item: Sitrus Berry / Chesto Berry
    ability: Levitate
    nature: Calm
    evs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Each time Icy Wind hits an opponent, its Speed decreases. the opponent takes their speed gets brought down. * Thunder Wave is also another option to regulate Speeds in the game, but gets no use against Pokemon like Garchomp or Excadrill, or Pokemon with Lightningrod ability on the field. Psychic is meant to be used to gives Cresselia an attacking option if it gets taunted or needs to quickly KO a weakened Pokemon. to make a quick KO on Pokemon that are extremely low on HP. Screens are about one of the main things used in VGC to set up that works most of the time. The type you use can depend on what kind of attacks your team is weak to. If you have trouble with moves like Surf, Discharge, or other weather abusing attackers Light Screen would be the preferred choice; if many of your Pokemon have issues with physical attacks like Rock Slide or Earthquake, Reflect is the obvious choice. A great supporting move Cresselia can use is Helping Hand, boosting its partner's attacks, gaining power which can get the ability to gain some significant KOs. on some other Pokemon. Cresselia's best form of recovery is Rest in tandem with Chesto Berry, helping Cresselia last longer as a supporter in matches.</p>

    Bisoci's request on IRC to change original to this.

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The item can be a decision for recovery throughout the match. Sitrus Berry is great quick recovery for matches. Chesto Berry is preferred mostly for use with Rest for the best possible recovery. However it can serve use without Rest by keeping Cresselia from being put to sleep. by sleep inducers. Levitate is Cresselia's only ability and it can be very useful with provides a Ground-type immunity meaning partners, like Garchomp, can spam Earthquake. A Calm nature can be used to add onto Cresselia's special bulk. The EV spread aims to have as much special bulk as possible to tank those common spread moves, like Surf, Discharge, and Blizzard, and strong special Ghost-type moves, like Shadow Ball. You can also think of running An EV set of 252 HP / 84 SpA / 172 SpD gives Cresselia the ability to 2HKO Hitmontop. This spread also works well with Ice Beam to get easy 2HKOs on those that are weak to Ice. You can replace Psychic on the set to compensate for the other kind of screen support you chose, giving the classic dual screen coverage to fend off attacks from both ends of the spectrum. Even on Cresselia, Protect can still serve uses in keeping Cresselia alive longer with the right prediction skills. Cresselia can use Trick Room on this set to reverse it, or to regulate the speed of the game when you know the opposition outspeeds Cresselia's partners. underspeed the opposition.</p>

    <p>Cresselia, being the great supporter it is, can pair with lots of different Pokemon, especially with hard hitting Pokemon like Garchomp or Abomasnow who can deal heavy damage with spread moves combined with Helping Hand. Slow bulky Pokemon are excellent partners for Cresselia because of the way it can change the tempo of the game with Trick Room, Icy Wind or Thunder Wave. Tyranitar and other Dark-types provide trouble for Cresselia while it is supporting its team, so having ways to take these kinds of Pokemon out is a wonderful way to keep Cresselia around to help out your team. A Pokemon with Intimidate, such as Hitmontop, Salamence, and Gyarados ability is a great partner to weaken physical attacks that would otherwise dent Cresselia. Pokemon like Hitmontop, Salamence, and Gyarados can supply this.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Trick Room Setter
    move 1: Trick Room
    move 2: Psychic
    move 3: Helping Hand / Safeguard
    move 4: Light Screen / Reflect
    item: Sitrus Berry / Mental Herb
    ability: Levitate
    nature: Sassy / Relaxed
    evs: 252 HP / 64 Def / 192 SpD
    ivs: 0 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>In this metagame, Cresselia is no doubt, the best Trick Room set-up user, aside from being able to be flinched form Fake Out.(sounds irrelevant) This would make an obvious choice for Trick Room as the first moveslot. Psychic helps KO worn down Pokemon. who are on the brink of fainting. It also provides a nice way to get damage on the common Fighting-types. Cresselia can also remain as a supporter and maximize her team's offensive potential with Helping Hand, boosting her partner's moves like Earthquake or Rock Slide. One of the most annoying ways people decide try to deal with Trick Room is to put all the Pokemon to sleep. This creates a better opportunity for them to stall and KO your Pokemon KOed without them taking damage. You can solve this problem with Safeguard being used. Screens commmonly help Pokemon set up and are usually successful in VGC. The screen to use depends on what support the team needs. you use can depend on what kind of attacks your team is weak to. If you have trouble with moves like Surf, Discharge, or other weather abusing attackers, Light Screen would be the screen of choice; if many of your Pokemon have issues with physical attacks like Rock Slide or Earthquake, Reflect is the obvious choice.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Cresselia will be taking a lot of damage in matches, so Sitrus Berry is the item of choice for quick recovery. If you have trouble with Sitrus Berry or you find more trouble with Taunt users, Mental Herb is a completely fine option to be able to set Trick Roomimmediately without being Taunted. Levitate is Cresselia's only ability and it can be very useful with provides a Ground-type immunity meaning partners, like Garchomp, can spam Earthquake. A Sassy nature gives more special bulk, and may be preferred overall to take powerful weather boosted moves. A Relaxed nature allows [**] Cresselia to take physical hits better and still have some special bulk from the given EV spread. The EV spread is just an all around build to tank more kinds of hits better. As a Trick Room setter it will commonly find itself being double targeted, necessitating an all-around bulky build to be successful in surviving a lot of the time. Even on Cresselia, Protect can still keep Cresselia alive longer with good prediction.</p>

    [**] "with" is "will" as Biosci told me on IRC.
    <p>Because this set is dedicated to setting up Trick Room, Trick Room abusers, like Rhyperior and Snorlax, are some of the best partners for Cresselia. Fake Out users, like Scrafty and Hariyama, are wonderful for Cresselia as they can disable a threat for one turn, which is enough for Cresselia to set up Trick Room. These kinds of Pokemon also can give Cresselia safety from Dark-types like Tyranitar and Bisharp. Strong attackers with Intimidate ability work well with Cresselia making her supporting job much easier by lowering the opponents' Attack stat. Sadly, not many Intimidate users are slow enough for optimal Trick Room use.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Cresselia is one of the few Pokemon that can use a Calm Mind set in VGC. However flinches or full paralyses can be annoying if you're trying to set up more Calm Minds. A Bold nature can be used in tandem with an EV spread of 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD to wall physical threats better. Psycho Shift and Toxic or Flame Orb combination is cool to try to spread around status ailments and stop physical attackers. Moonlight can be used for recovery, but with weather changing so much this metagame, the amount recovered will vary. Lunar Dance can be used to sacrifice a weakened Cresselia to heal a weakened teammate to full health. Magic Coat can bounce back status moves that can be troublesome to your team. With a Choice item, Cresselia can abuse Trick to force opponents to use moves like Protect with a choice item. Recycle can be used if you have Sitrus Berry to provide an easy constant form of recovery. Psyshock can be used as an alternative to Psychic to hit Blissey and Chansey harder.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Fake Out and Taunt both hurt Cresselia by preventing it from supporting its teammates by flinching it for one turn or disabling its non-attacking moves for three turns. either making it not move for one turn or stopping it from supporting with any non-offensive move for 3 turns. Strong attackers like Tyranitar, Bisharp, and Metagross can be troublesome with their appropriate Gems. As far as special attackers go, nothing can OHKO without a critical hit. in one shot. However things like Chandelure and Volcarona can 2HKO Cresselia with Shadow Ball or Bug Buzz. When setting Trick Room, Imprison users with Trick Room prevent Cresselia from setting up Trick Room. Roar also prevents Cresselia from setting up Trick Room as it phazes Cresselia out before it can Trick Room. shuts down set up completely. Same thing would apply for the not so common Roar.</p>


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  11. Biosci

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    Thanks

    Implemented, 1 more and this can be finally onsite like it should've been months ago lol
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    Andrew, you're meant to perform a prodigous check so I can just correct like two things and be done. :p

    A nice analysis, just work on a few little things; sentence structure (sound it out after you've written it!) and like [vs] such as.

    Other than that:

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    DONE
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    Okay thanks for the check, about your comments, there is no sleep clause in VGC, which is why Pokemon Amoonguss and Breloom run rampant as Spore abusers.

    This is now done.
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