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Cresselia

Discussion in 'Global Battle Union' started by Ashenlock, Aug 19, 2011.

  1. Ashenlock

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    One Pokemon that is often overlooked is the moon maiden Cresselia. She is among the bulkiest of ANY type of Pokemon, with stats obviously inclined towards walling. She's traditionally been forgotten in Singles because of her unreliable recovery move Moonlight, but Doubles sees her differently:

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    Cresselia -> Double Battles


    ->Support<-



    Cresselia @ Light Clay
    TIMID
    +Levitate+
    252 HP / 94 SpD / 164 Spe
    -Icy Wind
    -Reflect
    -Helping Hand
    -Moonlight​

    This set sees Cresselia taking an almost entirely supportive role. One of the enemies is too fast for your partner? Have him Protect while she slows them down. Physical attacks looking a little dangerous? Wall them. Crack a smile as what took your foe two turns to do is nullified by Moonlight. The Spe EVs should give Cresselia enough to outspeed base 130's after an Icy Wind, while the SpD investment guards against Ghost Gem Shadow Balls from Chandelure.

    Helping Hand here is almost necessary because Cresselia often finds herself, after her partner Protects and she Icy Winds, having nothing to do. At the same time, said partner may not be able to OHKO one or two of the foes. Usually hard-hitters with only moderate speed (Like Chandelure) are chosen with this Cress, so with a Helping Hand and the right type matchup, at least one thing is going down.

    This set suffers from Rain teams for three reasons: 1) Moonlight is nerfed, 2) Cresselia isn't resistant to any common rain-element types, and 3) without a slot for Sunny Day, Cresselia can't change the weather (and usually that's her job, since your other partner will need to be a sweeper if you want to get anything done).

    ->Drought<-



    Cresselia @ Leftovers
    BOLD
    +Levitate+
    252 HP / 252 Def / 6 SpD
    -Psychic / Ice Beam
    -Helping Hand
    -Calm Mind / Sunny Day
    -Moonlight​

    A Cress meant to take advantage of Drought teams and cover its common weaknesses. Outside of Hidden Power, the Grass- and Fire-type abusers of Sun don't have much in the way of Ice-type attacks. Cress comes in with Ninetales, takes a Dragon- or Fire-type attack and ignores a Ground-type one, and Ice Beams the dragons straight to hell. With the sun in play, it's well possible to get full HP redemption after 2-3 turns of onslaught with Moonlight.

    Helping Hand here is important because of the number of Heat Wave/Eruption-users that will no doubt see some use in a Drought Doubles team. Cress often finds herself unable to do anything with just Ice Beam, and the immensely prioritized Helping Hand fixes that. Cresselia will usually be the only support-type Pokemon on an offensive Drought team, so the move's usefulness won't be wasted. Calm Mind and Sunny Day compete for a spot here. Do you want to be able to boost yourself statistically during a turn you can't do anything else, or have insurance against the many slower weather-setters on Turn 1?

    ->Trick Room<-



    Cresselia @ Mental Herb / Macho Brace / Sitrus Berry
    SASSY
    +Levitate+
    252 HP / 6 Def / 252 SpD
    -Trick Room
    -Reflect / Light Screen
    -Helping Hand
    -Psychic

    The bulkiest overall non-uber Trick Room user with the possible exception of Eviolite Dusclops. The especially high SpD guards against hard hitters like Ghost Gem Shadow Ball and Drizzle-boosted Hydro Pumps. Then Reflect and either assist your already super-strong Trick Room Pokemon like Hariyama and Marowak with Helping Hand or Ice Beam/Psychic to KO an already weak foe or provide general coverage.

    Mental Herb is Cresselia's safety kit against Taunt (And, if a foe Whimsicott didn't Taunt already first turn, it stops a priority Encore second turn) while Macho Brace allows Cresselia to outspeed things it wouldn't normally be able to. Cress' bulks means outside of a crit almost nothing with OHKO it before Trick Room, so its biggest worry is Imprison, specifically from Chandelure, and Fake Out. Weavile can stop both of these, having an extremely fast Fake Out and being able to Fling a King's Rock on Ghosts, but is so fast it may not find any other use on a TR team. You can also delay trying to set up TR if you suspect Chandelure of using Imprison, and gang up on it, 2HKOing it if it has a sash.

    The options of Sitrus Berry as an item and Light Screen and Psychic as moves are based off of the very potent "Standard 2010" Cresselia, which was paired often with Iron Ball, Fling Groudon.
  2. Tenodera

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    Cresselia really rocks in GBU. Although I've only used her in singles, Psycho Shift + Flame Orb is good fun and makes for great setup opportunities. Of course, I've lost from a Psycho Shift miss more times than I'd like...

    The Doubles Support set looks effective.
  3. Virizion

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    I'd just like to add that I always use Moonlight in Singles, because weather hasn't been too common lately (not like it usually is, but still). However, I use a support set with some weird EV's which aren't really tailored specifically for GBU (Like, enough EV's to reach like 222 Speed at level 100, max HP, some SpDef to reach 306 at level 100, and the rest in Defense), but with HP-Fire/Moonlight/Reflect/Toxic, it's honestly great. It's one of the reasons that I won a 115-turn stall-war (They switched their Jellicent into my P-2's Thunder Wave, so I couldn't Toxic it). The only thing I find bad is; it's set-up fodder after you use Reflect or Toxic them, because unless it's Scizor, HP-Fire won't be doing much.
  4. iss

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    No mention of Helping Hand?
  5. PungentFruit

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    A few things.

    1. For you Sunny Day set, why would you "/" Sunny Day if it is a Sunny Day set?
    2. And as iss stated above, Helping Hand is definitely a viable option if not necessary on Cresselia. With Cresselia's ability, Levitate, you can get off a ton of Earthquakes with many strong Pokemon such as Garchomp or Hariyama and give them a little boost with HH.
    3. You might also want to mention a Trick Room set with Cresselia. It works wonders with Hariyama as a lead option with it and can easily set up Trick Room with Fake Out.
    4. This may seem a little bit of a nuisance, but change your format to match Solace's. It looks cleaner and much easier to read.
  6. Ashenlock

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    1. I mistakenly called it a "Sunny Day" set when I meant that it is a Drought-dependent set that may want to run Sunny Day to ensure its prevalence.
    2. Helping Hand IS viable, and I think merits a spot I did not give it. Thank y'all for pointing it out. I'll edit it in after this post.
    3. I mentioned the TR set but promptly forgot about it for other articles. I'll get to that now.
    4. I planned to do that after I finish this batch of articles; I want to get it done all in one wave.
  7. gec

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    I'm a huge fan of the standard VGC2010 Cresselia set, and as such I've been using it in GBU doubles to the same great extent.

    Cresselia @ Sitrus Berry
    Sassy - 252 HP/252 Sp.Def/6 Def
    0 Speed IV
    -Trick Room
    -Psychic
    -Helping Hand
    -Light Screen/Protect

    Originally paired with Fling Iron Ball Groudon in VGC2010, I like to pair it with Fling Iron Ball Krookodile now (since obviously Groudon is banned...). It acts as a great Trick Room supporter, and sets it up T1 as Krook protects. From then, you just use Helping Hand + EQ, and Fling when appropriate. Light Screen ensures powerful special attackers are stopped in their tracks and overall, it's a great TR team player.
  8. Solace

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    that trick room set gec posted is really powerful, since cresselia takes hits like crazy with its bulk and uses that to support well. reflect can also work instead of light screen depending on what your team needs more support for. i've used the same set with great success!
  9. Ashenlock

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    I meant to post this earlier: The reason I haven't included the "Standard 2010" set is not because I don't think it's worthy of a spot, but because I don't know if it's different enough to merit a whole set; it doesn't have a whole lot of differences from regular Trick Room use, but it's intended partners are (or were) much different.
  10. cosmicexplorer

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    Not really; while Groudon was the most common partner in 2010, Rhyperior, Snorlax, the aforementioned Krookodile, Mamoswine, and Marowak are all also good partners for Cresselia, and all are quite similar to Groudon of 2010, intended to abuse powerful spread attacks. However, I don't really see a huge difference between the Trick Room set already in the OP and the standard gec posted except for Psychic over Ice Beam and Light Screen over Reflect. Sitrus Berry, like gec posted, is definitely a viable option to allows Cresselia to take very powerful hits (think rain-boosted Hydro Pumps) more easily.

    I see Psychic as a stronger option than Ice Beam, because it hits Pokemon such as Hitmontop that normally stop Cress's partners for super effective damage, while I don't see how Ice beam attains significant coverage outside of Garchomp.
  11. Ashenlock

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    I changed it according to the suggestions. I think Psychic is a better option in Doubles anyway, and only put in Ice Beam because I had predominantly used Cresselia in teams where Ice-type attacks are not always available. Singles is a "narrow corridor" metagame (by which is not meant that it is simple or easy, but that Pokemon in it are restricted to attacks that target only one opponent), where the difference between two Pokemon, one of which has full type coverage and the other of which has only one type of move, is much more pronounced than in Doubles, where a Pokemon that gets walled by Steel types, while still not as capable as the one with full coverage, isn't nearly as crippled because of the presence of a partner. So, while Ice Beam might (or might have been at one time) more desireable in Singles, Psychic is better overall in Doubles.

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