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Crowtei Devastation (Peak #28)

Discussion in 'BW Other Teams' started by dcae, Jan 16, 2012.

  1. dcae

    dcae naughty list

    Dec 9, 2011
    Hey Smogon, Dcae here with my second RMT. I am here to present my new bulky offensive team called Crowtei Devastation. A simple offensive team that employs hazards and sweepers to kill opposition, it is my second entry into a tough RU tier. I have previously dabbled in all the tiers, having my greatest success in Ubers, with my offensive team. I am, normally, an offensive player: I do not really see how stall works. This is exemplified by my Ubers team I have not posted an RMT on yet. This team is slightly more balanced than my previous RU attempt, but this one is much more effective. Without further ado, here is the team which got me so high up on the ladder:


    I know how the majority of people obviously play OU, but RU is one of the most fun tiers nowadays, and I hope this RMT will convince some of you to play RU and enjoy the unique tier. Now, on to the main building of my team.

    Team Building:

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    I decided to focus the team around the most devastating sweeper in RU, the one, the only Honchkrow. With great offensive stats and decent speed, along with access to the wonderful Moxie ability and priority, this crow can wreak havoc on unprepared teams. Because of its prevalence, every team in RU must carry a Honchkrow check or counter. I selected it due to the fact it can destroy teams once their main Honchkrow counter is gone.


    Most teams have Steel types to wall Honchkrow. To bypass these omnipresent steels, I chose to add an Entei. I decided on Entei due to the fact its Fire type grants a super effective hit on every Steel in the tier. The sheer power it grants was also very welcome, so Entei was an instant success on my team. It could also sweep teams on its own, while having a minor weakness to Stealth Rocks. That alone makes it a superior Fire type than a Moltres, who otherwise would give much better coverage.


    However, due to having two Stealth Rocks weak Pokemon, I chose to add a spinner. What better spinner is there in RU than Claydol, the currently most used spinner in the tier. It provides great defensive presence along with the ability to cripple potential counters. Since this team was becoming frail, the defensive capabilities this floating multi-eyed psychic had made it the preferred choice over the Hitmons and other possible spinners. With that, I had Stealth Rocks support, a defensive behemoth, and my main offense.


    Now, I wanted my physical attackers to have more hazards support, such as Spikes and Toxic Spikes. I looked immediately to Scolipede, due to it providing a decent STAB in Megahorn along with the hazards and great speed. It generally gets two layers down minimum in games, while also weakening opposing leads. Toxic Spikes, while being an odd choice for such an offensive team, provides a way to wear down opposing stall teams, though it is rarely used. Scolipede fit into my team as a reliable lead.


    Now that I was using so many hazards, I just had to have a spinblocker. There were three main options I could select from: Rotom, Dusknoir, and Cofagrigus. After much testing, I settled on Dusknoir due to the fact it provided burn status, useful to shut down powerful physical sweepers, as well as giving further defensive presence. Rotom was far too frail for use, I already had too many frail pokes. Cofagrigus' lack of reliable recovery and extreme slowness made it an unattractive option, but the significantly more powerful Shadow Ball was a good thing lost. I now had a good spinblocker able to outstall the premier spinner in RU, Claydol.


    I had most of my team ready and successful, so this last teamslot was a filler. I chose a Hitmonlee for its huge HJK, the most powerful attack in RU. Its Fighting type provides this team with another reliable way to destroy Steels. However, frailness leads me to wonder if I should change this slot to a special sweeper, as this team certainly lacks special threats. So far, though, this poke has been relatively successful. At one point, I was running a Steelix in this slot, but it was mostly deadweight. I had now completed my team, so it was time to start testing.


    After several weeks of laddering, this team was doing marvelously at a peak of 28. Several hax battles later, I dropped down into the 200s, where I realized Hitmonlee was useless. After some searching, I stumbled upon Poliwrath, who synergized excellently with the rest of my team, providing useful phazing and a Water immunity. My team was at long last complete, but I am here for more help and a chance to break the top 10.


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    The metagame of RU has definitely changed with Krookodile becoming RU, Aerodactyl and Sigilyph dropping down to RU, and other such pokes. However, this team has lived through the changes and is still doing well. But, I'm talking too much. Time to get to the nitty gritty details of this team. So, I give you:

    In Depth:

    Scolipede (F) @Focus Sash
    Trait: Swarm
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
    Nature: Jolly
    -Rock Slide

    This Pokemon is my standard lead, and generally gets a few layers of hazards down. It also provides decent offensive the ability to still lay down a couple of layers of Spikes minimum. Its durability is greatly reduced, however. It was selected thanks to its great speed, and hazards. Scolipede is a great poke and lead with good typing, making it an excellent selection to my team over other spikers such as Roselia or Qwilfish, both top-notch spikers as well.

    EV Corner : The EVs were selected to give Scolipede durability while retaining its splendid speed. 252 speed and atk allows it to function as a good attacker early on, while 4 def provides minor improvement in durability.

    Moveset Explained: Megahorn and Earthquake give Scolipede decent attacking coverage, only missing out on Flying types such as Gligar and Ghosts with Levitate (read: Rotom) Spikes and Toxic Spikes give good hazards, and Leftovers allows good durability. As mentioned above, Rock Slide is being considered over Toxic Spikes to provide the infamous StoneEdge coverage, due to Toxic Spikes being slightly redundant on a more offensive team. The common Poison types in RU compound the problem.

    Changes Considered: Might replace with a Magneton

    Previous Members in This Slot: None

    Claydol (N) @Choice Scarf
    Trait: Levitate
    EVs: 252 HP / 178 Def / 80 Spe
    Nature: Calm
    -Stealth Rock
    -Rapid Spin
    -Earth Power

    This is my spinner and rocks supporter. I use this poke to spin Stealth Rocks away from my field for Entei and Honchkrow, also disposing of any irritating (Toxic) Spikes for my main walls, Dusknoir and Poliwrath. The excellent typing Claydol has allows it to switch in indefinitely, with a resistance to Stealth Rocks and immunities to (Toxic) Spikes. It can switch into common Electric and Fighting attacks, while having supreme bulk to shrug off weak super effective strikes. It was selected over other spinners due to excellent bulk and typing.

    EV Corner: This is a custom set I have constructed for Claydol. The Calm nature allows Claydol to hit a mighty 303 in SpD, while the Def EVs hoist it to 290 Def, giving it good all around defenses. Max HP is obvious, increased durability. The Speed EVs were tailored for Claydol to outspeed max Speed base 90s with Choice Scarf, allowing it to cripple or damage them.

    Moveset Explained: The moveset is relatively standard for a TrickDol. It has Trick to completely cripple opposing Ghosts who switch in expecting Rapid Spin. Trick also takes care of many Eviolite users, a great plus. Earth Power for powerful STAB, but the lack of Ice Beam makes it set-up fodder for Flying types. Stealth Rock for necessary rocks support, while Rapid Spin is there to preserve hazards on my foes field.

    Changes Considered: I might try to implement Ice Beam somewhere on the set, but currently I have no space for it.

    Previous Members in This Slot: Steelix

    Dusknoir (F) @Leftovers
    Trait: Pressure
    EVs: 252 HP / 48 Def / 208 SpD
    Nature: Impish
    -Shadow Sneak
    -Pain Split

    This is my spinblocker, granting excellent defenses as well as burn support. This poke can easily switch into the current number one spinner in RU, Claydol, and outstall it. It is an amazing wall and shuts down Hitmonlee completely, and takes all of Hitmonchan's attacks with ease. This poke is a great check to common pokes in RU, and access to priority and status doesn't hurt.

    EV Corner: This is yet another custom set I constructed for Dusknoir. This one gives balanced defences with max HP. Access to WoW obviously buffs up Dusknoir's defense. The Impish nature goes a long way to help Dusknoir to achieve 350 defense, and SpD EVs pull Dusknoir all the way to 358. It might not be Dusclops, but Dusknoir sports great bulk and fulfills its spinblock role perfectly.

    Moveset Explained: Taunt shuts down all Ferroseed and walls with a lower speed than Dusknoir, making Dusknoir my number one wall for slow pokes. Will-o-Wisp can screw physical attackers permanently, while Pain Split provides decent healing, especially considering Dusknoir's low HP. Shadow Sneak provides a decent priority STAB option, and can finish off most Focus Sash users.

    Changes Considered: I was thinking about replacing Taunt with Trick. Not many pokes are slower than Dusknoir, so Taunt is redundant. It is only effective on Ferroseed, who can be handled by all my pokes anyways. Dusknoir is a primary target for a Choice item, and therefore Trick could come in handy sometimes. Either way, it will still be the least used moveslot.

    Previous Members in This Slot: None

    Poliwrath (M) @Leftovers
    Trait: Water Absorb
    EVs: 252 HP / 68 Atk / 188 Def
    Nature: Impish
    -Ice Punch
    -Circle Throw

    This is the most recent addition to my team, replacing my inefficient Hitmonlee. It provides a much needed Water switch in, and Fire resist. It also keeps the useful Fighting type and gives me phazing capabilities, which the former member lacked. This poke could easily switch into Water types and either phaze or cripple. A great physical wall with impressive typing, Poliwrath is welcome on my team.

    EV Corner: I'm sure you all are tired of my constant custom sets, but here's another one. I run max HP to take hits better, and 188 Def with an Impish nature to hit 300 Def. I used to run the final 68 EVs in SpD, but finally decided to put them into Atk to add a bit more oomph to my hits.

    Moveset Explained: To be honest, this is pretty self explanatory. Circle Throw is a great phazing move, while Waterfall gives main STAB. Ice Punch completes the perfect coverage, while Toxic permanently cripples common wall switch ins. A relatively standard moveset, Poliwrath functions as a top-notch physical wall.

    Changes Considered: None

    Previous Members in This Slot: Hitmonlee

    Honchkrow (M) @Life Orb
    Trait: Moxie
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
    Nature: Adamant
    -Brave Bird
    -Sucker Punch

    This bird is a beast. It's so good it should be banned. Once a team loses their Honckrow check, it is over for the other player. Priority, Moxie, Roost. What more could you want? Anyways, let's be realistic: Honchkrow is a superb late game sweeper and has clinched me so many games. Its dual STABs function well in RU due to the subpar amount of good Steels. Those Steels are further decimated by Entei and Poliwrath's STAB attacks. Rocks are kept off my field courtesy of Claydol, meaning Honchkrow has more breathing space when moving on and off the field. It also synergizes well with the rest of my team, making it an excellent fit. This team was all built around facilitating a Honchkrow sweep.

    EV Corner: Absolutely standard. This version of Honchkrow has no difference with other Moxiekrows. 252 Atk and Adamant for most power, while 252 Spe allows decent speed. 4 Def EVs so it isn't brought down by priority and allows it to switch in to SR 4 times, highly unlikely though.

    Moveset Explained: Again, standard. Sucker Punch is a great priority move requiring good prediction, Brave Bird hurts anything that doesn't resist. Substitute allows the crow to avoid status, while Roost heals Life Orb, SR, and Sub damage. A standard set that works wonders in the right hands.

    Changes Considered: Are you kidding?

    Previous Members in This Slot: None, the team was based around this guy.

    Entei (N) @Choice Band
    Trait: Pressure
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
    Nature: Adamant
    -Flare Blitz
    -Stone Edge
    -Iron Head

    This poke is a beast. A pure beast. The damage output from Flare Blitz is mindblowing. This poke functions as a great revenge killer with priority, or it will gouge huge holes in opposing teams. Even without the superior Jolly nature, Entei outspeeds the majority of the tier and kills. To show the sheer strength of a Banded Flare Blitz, take these calculations:

    Flare Blitz at +1 does 90.4% - 107.3% to a 252 HP / 40 Def Steelix, OHKO after 1 layer of Spikes
    Flare Blitz at +1 does 43.4% - 51.1% to a standard Lanturn, 2HKO after SR

    As shown, Entei's power is godly. It fit my team well as the Flare Blitz takes out any opposing Steels daring to stop my Honchkrow sweep. An excellent physical attacker, I have never looked back after selecting Entei as my Fire type.

    EV Corner: Yet another standard offensive set. It is crude but effective. 252 Atk and 252 Spe, like a typical physical sweeper. Adamant nature is chosen because of its compatibility with the event moves of Extremespeed and Flare Blitz. 4 Def so Entei can switch into Stealth Rocks four times.

    Moveset Explained: The typical Band moveset with the exception of Iron Head. I added Iron Head because it hits Rock types, which none of the other moves can do. Extremespeed so Entei can function as an effective revenge killer, Flare Blitz for sheer power. Stone Edge hits other Fire types and Flying types. This set hits most RU pokes hard, making it very effective.

    Changes Considered: None

    Previous Members in This Slot: None

    And with that, you have seen my team. I am open to any comments to change my team. However, I did want to present my previous team members, Steelix and Hitmonlee and their movesets:

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    Steelix (M) @Leftovers
    Trait: Sturdy
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
    Nature: Careful
    -Stealth Rock
    -Ice Fang

    This guy was a good rocks setter, but after that was just deadweight. He also added to my Water weakness.

    Hitmonlee (M) @Life Orb
    Trait: Reckless
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
    Nature: Jolly
    -High Jump Kick
    -Blaze Kick

    Hitmonlee was a beast when I could use it at its full potential. All other times, it felt like 5 vs 6. Hitmonlee's frailty allowed almost any neutral physical move to KO it. Its huge HJK was not enough to keep a spot on my team, so Hitmonlee was discarded.

    There, you have the former members of the team. Now, it is time to arrive to every raters favorite part (I don't actually know, but it's useful to see this) the Threat List. So, I shall part to present the Threat List:

    Red: Major Threat
    Blue: Minor Threat
    Black: No Threat

    Offensive Threats:
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    [​IMG]Honchkrow- Shut down by Entei's Extremespeed
    [​IMG]Sharpedo-Poliwrath counters
    [​IMG]Porygon-Z-Honckrow Sucker Punch
    [​IMG]Entei-Poliwrath counters
    [​IMG]Gallade-Honchkrow KOs
    [​IMG]Durant-Entei KOs
    [​IMG]Moltres-Depending on the set: Choiced ones are simple to handle. Life Orb sweepers are covered by Entei or Honchkrow
    [​IMG]Electivire-Dusknoir walls forever
    [​IMG]Galvantula-Entei rips to pieces, Dusknoir walls
    [​IMG]Sceptile-Entei kills, all variants are covered by Dusknoir
    [​IMG]Manectric-Claydol counters
    [​IMG]Lilligant-Entei kills, Scolipede kills, Honchkrow kills, etc
    [​IMG]Gorebyss-Poliwrath walls
    [​IMG]Primeape-Dusknoir walls
    [​IMG]Typhlosion-Poliwrath covers, Entei or Honchkrow kill
    [​IMG]Omastar-Poliwrath counters
    [​IMG]Rotom-C-Scarfed versions are messed up by Claydol and later taken down by Entei, Lefties sets are removed by Entei
    [​IMG]Scyther-bulky Eviolite sets are taken down by Entei and crippled by Claydol, Banded sets are used as set-up fodder depending on the chosen move
    [​IMG]Medicham-Dusknoir counters
    [​IMG]Sneasel-Poliwrath counters
    [​IMG]Hariyama-Honchkrow destroys
    [​IMG]Qwilfish-Poliwrath walls and phazes
    [​IMG]Feraligatr-Poliwrath completely walls and phazes
    [​IMG]Tauros-Dusknoir walls forever

    Honchkrow is a decent threat once Entei is disposed of, but otherwise it is covered. Rotom C can destroy half my team courtesy of its excellent STAB combo. Moltres can provide a threat late game

    Defensive Threats:
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    [​IMG]Claydol-Poliwrath, Scolipede, and Honchkrow hit hard
    [​IMG]Moltres-Entei, Poliwrath hit hard
    [​IMG]Uxie-Poliwrath cripples, Honchkrow and Scolipede hit hard
    [​IMG]Clefable-Poliwrath, Entei, Honchkrow hit hard
    [​IMG]Gligar-Poliwrath cripples, Poliwrath and Honchkrow hit hard
    [​IMG]Ferroseed-Entei murders, Dusknoir outstalls
    [​IMG]Dusknoir-Poliwrath cripples, Honchkrow and Entei hit hard
    [​IMG]Quagsire-Poliwrath cripples, Honchkrow hits hard
    [​IMG]Cofagrigus-Poliwrath cripples, Entei and Honchkrow hits hard
    [​IMG]Drapion-Scolipede, Entei, Honchkrow hit hard
    [​IMG]Steelix-Dusknoir cripples, Entei hits very hard
    [​IMG]Mandibuzz-Poliwrath cripples, Honchkrow, Entei hit hard
    [​IMG]Poliwrath-Poliwrath cripples, Honchkrow hits hard
    [​IMG]Aggron-Poliwrath, Entei hit hard
    [​IMG]Miltank-Poliwrath, Entei, Honchkrow hit hard
    [​IMG]Tangela-Poliwrath cripples, Honchkrow, Entei hit hard
    [​IMG]Weezing-Dusknoir cripples, Honchkrow, Entei hit hard
    [​IMG]Hariyama-Poliwrath cripples, Honchkrow OHKOs
    [​IMG]Qwilfish-Scolipede, Honchkrow hit hard
    [​IMG]Munchlax-Poliwrath cripples, Poliwrath, Entei, Honchkrow hit hard
    [​IMG]Lickitung-Poliwrath cripples, Poliwrath, Honchkrow, Entei hit hard

    As you can see, no defensive poke gives me trouble, except for Stunfisk. It can shrug off most physical attacks, but mostly shuts down Honchkrow sweeps.

    And with that, we come to the end of this RMT. I hope you had a good read, and hopefully rated my team too. Here is an importable if needed:

    Scolipede (F) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Swarm
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spd
    Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
    - Rock Slide
    - Spikes
    - Earthquake
    - Megahorn
    Poliwrath (M) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Water Absorb
    EVs: 252 HP / 188 Def / 68 SDef
    Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
    - Waterfall
    - Toxic
    - Circle Throw
    - Ice Punch
    Dusknoir (F) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Pressure
    EVs: 252 HP / 48 Def / 208 SDef
    Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
    - Taunt
    - Will-O-Wisp
    - Shadow Sneak
    - Pain Split
    Claydol @ Choice Scarf
    Trait: Levitate
    EVs: 252 HP / 164 Def / 92 Spd
    Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
    - Stealth Rock
    - Trick
    - Rapid Spin
    - Earth Power
    Mob Boss (Honchkrow) (M) @ Life Orb
    Trait: Moxie
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spd
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Brave Bird
    - Roost
    - Sucker Punch
    - Substitute
    Entei @ Choice Band
    Trait: Pressure
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spd
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Flare Blitz
    - ExtremeSpeed
    - Stone Edge
    - Iron Head
  2. blunder

    blunder - OUTL
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    Oct 30, 2011
    Seems like a fairly decent team. The only things that we be good to change, are taking away the HP evs in Scolipede, which are not going to help it as it is already very frail. Just put them in attack so it can at least hit something hard before dying. Also on Entei, Switch Iron head for Hidden Power Grass, so You are not walled by Kabutops and Aggron. Iron Head Also doesn't hit anything that Flare Blitz doesn't demolish. Honchkrow is also not beaten my Entei's Extremespeed. It does 60-75% damage. Honchkrow can retaliate with a BB and Do massive Damage to Entei and KO it with Stealth Rocks. After that, Honchkrow will gain a Moxie boost and prepare to demolish the rest of you team. I advise you to replace your Claydol with Aggron or Steelix, who can reliably set up Stealth Rock and Take on Honchkrow's Hits. In the section of most Offensive threats, you just place the Priority of Honchkrow's Sucker Punch and Entei's E-speed. Those alone aren't going to just KO all pokemon. You also might need to have a good counter for Durant after Poliwrath dies. After one hone claws boost, which isn't hard to get, It can dominate your team, Killing Claydol and Honchkrow With X-scissor, and Killing Entei with Stone Edge. Just because a Pokemon has a super effective move against another, doesn't make it a counter. Life Orb Galvantula and Specs Galvantula Do an Enormous amount to Entei, Killing it With Stealth Rocks or Spikes. And your idea of a counter for every defensive threat is "Poliwrath Counters, Honchkrow or Entei Hits Hard"

    Besides that, the team is pretty good, and has some good synergy
  3. RUisSerperior


    Jan 1, 2012
    That poliwrath really is one of the best walls in the RU tier, and very unexpected too, counters entei extremely well and its STAB phazing circle throw is invaluable. I can testify to its usefulness as i have adopted one to my team.
    btw i am Serperior Looks on PO, just in case you couldnt figure out already lol

    But overall, the coverage on your team is impressive. Though personally i would drop scolipede as he is just so frail and cant really hit hard enough to break bulky pokemon without STAB. I know you want a hazard setter, but maybe trying a life orb or choice band durant in scolipede's stead would force more switches and keep more offensive presence.
  4. spuds4ever


    Oct 4, 2011
    It's generally a solid, well-rounded team. Well done. A few nitpicks. The EVs are slightly poor. It's a bad idea to use a stat boosting nature in an area where you haven't invested as it is always a 10% boost to whatever stat you're boosting. So it would be better to have a nature boosting the higher of the two stats and move the EV bar around until both are about equal. I see a large glaring weakness from opposing honchkrow. If he gets a sub up, nothing on your team can really hurt him. Claydol has trick blocked by the substitute, Scollipede will probably be dead by that time. Poliwrath can't take a BB, Honchkrow is just set at a disadvantage as it will have no sub up. Entei is the only thing that can reasonably stop him and that's only if he hasn't got a moxie boost. I think magneton would be a good addition to the team, getting rid of honchkrow's counters easily and taking both his STABs easily. Also, use a focus sash on scollipede if he's your lead, it virtually guarentees two layers unless he's taunted by something really fast.
  5. dcae

    dcae naughty list

    Dec 9, 2011
    Thanks for the rate dude, I've decided to go with the offensive Scolipede. I haven't encountered too much problems with Durant, but about the Steelix or Aggron. I need a spinner because my team has 3 SR weak pokes, so I can't afford to replace Claydol. I do acknowledge that Honchkrow could be a problem. If there is any other poke you think I could replace with Aggron or Steelix, I'll be willing to try it.

    Thanks for the rate Serperior. I hope the new team's working out. Anyways, I'm currently testing a Choice Scarf Durant as my revenge killer, might work against Honchkrow too. I just hate Hustles shit accuracy.

    Thanks for the rate, I'm glad you liked the team. I will try some new EV sets. I love the Magneton suggestion, I'm just reluctant as to where I place it. I've switched Scolipede to a Focus Sash offensive variant, thanks for pointing that out. If you would suggest a poke to remove for Magneton, I will try it. Tbh, Dusknoir has the least usage, but removing that means I lose my spinblocker.
  6. The Goddamn Batman

    The Goddamn Batman

    Nov 17, 2011
    This isnt completely true. Adamant CB ES from Entei does 64.51 - 75.95% to Honchkrow, so if Krow has already taken LO recoil, it is almost a guaranteed KO. Also, ES has +2 priority, so it will always outspeed a Krow Sucker Punch. However, Entei should never be your only way of dealing with Honchkrow, so I would suggest adding a SubSplit Rotom over Dusknoir. You still get to spinblock, have burn support, and use Pain Split, and you gain a Ground immunity. This will also help you deal with stall, as mons without recovery won't enjoy taking a Pain Split when Rotom is at low health. Try it out, I hope i helped!

    Also, 69 posts hehehe...
  7. dcae

    dcae naughty list

    Dec 9, 2011
    Hey dude, thanks for the rate. I tested Rotom over Dusknoir, and it's been working great. I am currently too busy but will update my RMT ASAP. The changes are Rotom over Dusknoir and probably Scolipede being replaced by Durant. That slot is still open for switching, however, because I really hate Hustle missing all the time.

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