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Delcatty [GP 2/2] (Taken Over From Celever)

Discussion in 'Uploaded Analyses' started by atomicllamas, Nov 22, 2013.

  1. atomicllamas

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    [Overview]

    <p>To put it frankly, Delcatty is a terrible Pokemon, even in NU. Its stats are extremely underwhelming and its Normal typing does it no favors, as it gives it a lot of competition in the tier that it can't keep up with. However, Delcatty has an expansive movepool and a decent ability in Wonder Skin, giving it an extremely small niche in the tier as a Baton Pass user. Before using Delcatty on your team, you should always "paws" and consider something else in its place, as there is almost certainly something that can perform its role better for your team.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Calm Mind Baton Pass
    move 1: Baton Pass
    move 2: Calm Mind
    move 3: Hyper Voice
    move 4: Substitute
    item: Leftovers
    ability: Wonder Skin
    nature: Bold
    evs: 252 HP / 200 Def / 56 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This is the only set that Delcatty can use in NU without being completely outclassed. Baton Pass is the key move on this set, allowing Delcatty to support specially offensive teammates with Calm Mind boosts. Hyper Voice allows Delcatty to make use of those Calm Mind boosts if it is hit by Taunt or if passing is not an option. Substitute shields Delcatty from hits if it manages to force something out, and Substitute passing can often support a teammate's sweep just as well as passing Calm Mind, giving the recipient a free switch-in.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The given EV spread allows Delcatty to outspeed max base 45 Speed Pokemon, such as Golem and Marowak, while making Delcatty as physically bulky as possible. Wonder Skin is the chosen ability, giving Delcatty a chance to set up in front of Taunt, phazing moves, and status moves. It is also the only reason to use Delcatty as a Calm Mind passer, as it is outclassed by most others in every other way. Good teammates to consider for Delcatty are those that appreciate the Calm Mind boosts while being able to switch into moves aimed at Delcatty. Charizard, Musharna, Exeggutor, and Haunter all appreciate the Special Attack boosts and can switch into the Fighting-type moves aimed at Delcatty with ease. Specially attacking Samurott is another good option to receive these boosts, and has the bulk to take most of the Fighting-type moves aimed at Delcatty. Pursuit trappers such as Skuntank are greatly appreciated by Delcatty, as trapping Ghost-types allows Delcatty to stand a chance if it is your last Pokemon. It should be pointed out that Delcatty is completely outclassed by Mr. Mime and Musharna on full Baton Pass teams, and therefore should not be considered for a spot on said teams. Delcatty really only belongs on joke teams, to be quite frank.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>As stated previously, Delcatty has an expansive movepool that most Pokemon would kill for. However, it is outclassed at anything else it tries to do. A set using Normalize and Thunder Wave allows Delcatty to paralyze Ground-types, but it leaves it helpless against Ghost-types, including Golurk, the most common Ground-type. Delcatty could make use of Fake Out and Sucker Punch as a makeshift revenge killer, but it is completely outclassed in this role by Kangaskhan, which has better Speed, bulk, and Attack. Delcatty has access to Wish and Heal Bell, but Audino and Lickilicky are both better users of these moves, as they have better bulk, offensive pressure, and Regenerator in Audino's case. Delcatty can possibly run a Calm Mind set without Baton Pass, as it has an expansive special movepool, but its measly Special Attack makes it an inferior choice to the likes of Musharna and Serperior.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Delcatty has the offensive presence of a newly born kitten and is probably even easier to defeat. Any Fighting-type move or any relatively strong STAB move will easily dispose of Delcatty. Delcatty can even be phazed out by attacking moves such as Dragon Tail and Circle Throw, meaning that specially defensive Throh and Zweilous are "purrfect" answers to Delcatty. Basically anything that can switch into Delcatty and OHKO or 2HKO it or its Baton Pass recipient are good options as checks.</p>

    Celever's skelton (open)

    [OVERVIEW]
    • Very mediocre stats
    • It also has some exclusive moves that other Pokemon don't have or don't use in favor of better options
    • Has a good ability in Wonder Skin
    • However it is situational
    • You should look at other Normal-Types first for most things it can do
    [SET]
    name: CM Baton Pass
    move 1: Calm Mind
    move 2: Baton Pass
    move 3: Hyper Voice
    move 4: Substitute
    item: Leftovers
    ability: Wonder Skin
    nature: Bold
    evs: 252 HP / 200 Def / 56 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]
    • Baton Pass because it's a Baton Pass set
    • Calm Mind is what it is passing
    • Hyper Voice lets Delcatty do some kind of damage in some way, damage that is boosted with Calm Mind to make it not completely useless
    • Substitute lets Delcatty pass to team members while assuring you're not toally screwed when something tries to hit you
    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
    • Wonder Skin avoids paralysis, Toxic, phazing and Taunt, however it doesn't protect the recipient of Baton Pass
    • Bold to maximize physical bulk while setting up Calm Minds
    • The EV spread lets it outspeed Golem
    • Good team members who would support the Calm Mind boosts include Charizard, Musharna, Exeggutor, Haunter and (special) Samurott love the boosts, all of which except Samurott resist Fighting attacks aimed at Delcatty
    • Skuntank is another good team member as it can trap Misdreavus which can be annoying if Taunt hits.
    [OTHER OPTIONS]
    • Normalize Thunder Wave lets it poison Ground-Type Pokemon and other electric-immune Pokemon but it can't hit any Ghost-Type Pokemon if it uses the ability
    • Has a lot of other options, but the majority are out-classed by something else
    • Fake Out is interesting with it's +3 priority, however on the frailest of usable NU (Jynx) it doesn't even 2HKO, and that is with maximum EVs and Life Orb. On the defensive sets Delcatty should be running it does 35-40% but is one-use and Delcatty gets swiftly KO'd by Jynx back. Fake Out and Sucker Punch would be good but Kangaskhan is 100% better at it.
    • The status moves let it cripple walls/attackers and the latter, Thunder Wave, lets it pass it's boosts easier
    • Heal Bell is a good move, bad mon.
    • Fantastic special movepool, bad special attack.

    [CHECKS AND COUNTERS]
    • The niche of Wonder Skin lets it set up on walls, however it doesn't really help if anything attacks it... and it has bad bulk
    • Delcatty has like no offensive presence anyway
    Last edited: Nov 25, 2013
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  2. Lolk

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    mention that Delcatty's niche is in Baton Passing in the overview; you just say that it has a small niche.
  3. atomicllamas

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    Got it, thanks
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    you might wanna mention that even though it's niche is baton passing, it is nearly impossible to fit on a baton pass team since it doesn't provide anything significant over mr.mime or musharna and lacks useful resistances. i would even go as far as saying delcatty is only for use on joke teams
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    Okay, I am on my phone, will implement tomorrow, thank you.
    Last edited: Nov 23, 2013
  6. atomicllamas

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    Implemented the above change, someone should QC me :]
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    qc 3/3
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    I think I've now checked every cat on this site (open)

    [Overview]

    <p>To put it frankly, Delcatty is a terrible pokemon, even in NU. Its stats are extremely underwhelming, (RC) and its Normal typing does it no favors, giving it a a lot of competition in the tier that it can't keep up with. However, Delcatty has an expansive movepool and a decent ability in Wonder Skin, giving it an extremely small niche in the tier as a Baton Pass user. Before using Delcatty on your team, you should always paws I'll see you banned for this pun. At least put quotes around it or something... and consider something else in its place, as there is almost certainly something that can do what you need better.</p>

    [SET]
    name: CM Baton Pass
    move 1: Baton Pass
    move 2: Calm Mind
    move 3: Hyper Voice
    move 4: Substitute
    item: Leftovers
    ability: Wonder Skin
    nature: Bold
    evs: 252 HP / 200 Def / 56 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This is the only set that Delcatty can use in NU without being completely outclassed. Baton Pass is the key move on this set, allowing Delcatty to support specially offensive teammates with Calm Mind boosts. Hyper Voice allows Delcatty to make use of those Calm Mind boosts if it is hit by Taunt, (RC) or if passing is not an option. Substitute can shield Delcatty from hits if it manages to force something out, and Substitute passing can often support a teammate's sweep just as well as Calm Mind, (AC) allowing the recipient one free turn.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The given EV spread allows Delcatty to outspeed max Speed, (RC) neutral-natured base 45 Pokemon, such as Golem and Marowak, while making Delcatty as physically bulky as possible. Wonder Skin is the chosen ability, giving Delcatty an chance to set up in front of Taunt, phazing moves, and status moves. It is also the only reason to use Delcatty as a Calm Mind passer, as it is outclassed by most others in every other way. Good teammates to consider for Delcatty are those that appreciate the boosts while being able to switch into moves aimed at Delcatty. Charizard, Musharna, Exeggutor, and Haunter all appreciate the Special Attack boosts and can switch into the Fighting-type moves aimed at Delcatty with ease. Special Samurott is another good option to receive the boosts, and has the bulk to take most of the Fighting-type moves aimed at Delcatty the cat. Pursuit trappers such as Skuntank are greatly appreciated by Delcatty, as trapping Ghost-types allows Delcatty to stand a chance if it is your last Pokemon. It should be pointed out that Delcatty is completely outclassed by Mr. Mime and Musharna on full Baton Pass teams, and therefore should not be considered for a spot on said teams. Delcatty really only belongs on joke teams, (AC) to be quite frank.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>As stated previously, Delcatty has an expansive movepool that most pokemon would kill for. However, it is outclassed at anything else it tries to do. A set using Normalize and Thunder Wave allows Delcatty to paralyze Ground-types, but it leaves it helpless against Ghost-types, and including Golurk, the most common Ground-type would still be unaffected. Delcatty could make use of Fake Out and Sucker Punch as a makeshift revenge killer, but it is completely outclassed by Kangaskhan, (AC) which has better Speed, bulk, and Attack. Delcatty has access to Wish and Heal Bell, but Audino and Lickilicky both perform this role better, as they have better bulk, offensive pressure, and Regenerator in Audino's case. It could possibly run a Calm Mind set without Baton Pass, (AC) as it has an expansive special movepool, however but its measly base 55 Special Attack makes it an inferior choice to the likes of Musharna and Serperior.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Delcatty has the offensive presence of a newly born kitten, and is probably even easier to defeat kill. Any Fighting-type move or any relatively strong STAB move will easily dispose of Delcatty. the cat before it can say, "meow." Delcatty can even be phazed out by attacking moves such as Dragon Tail and Circle Throw, meaning that specially defensive Throh and Zweilous are perfect one was far too many answers to Delcatty. Basically anything that can switch into Delcatty (which is anything) and 1 or 2HKO it or it's recipient are good options.</p>

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    Last edited: Nov 25, 2013
  9. atomicllamas

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    Thanks GatoDelFuego it has been implemented. I'll have you know these puns were Raseri approved :p
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    Oh, just a quick note, the last "it's" should be "its" in the very last sentence.
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    [Overview]

    <p>To put it frankly, Delcatty is a terrible pokemon, even in NU. Its stats are extremely underwhelming and its Normal typing does it no favors, giving as it gives it a a lot of competition in the tier that it can't keep up with. However, Delcatty has an expansive movepool and a decent ability in Wonder Skin, giving it an extremely small niche in the tier as a Baton Pass user. Before using Delcatty on your team, you should always "paws" and consider something else in its place, as there is almost certainly something that can do what you need better perform its role better for your team(rephrased to insert 'your team' and make it correct grammatically).</p>

    [SET]
    name: CM Calm Mind(can add + here but w/e) Baton Pass
    move 1: Baton Pass
    move 2: Calm Mind
    move 3: Hyper Voice
    move 4: Substitute
    item: Leftovers
    ability: Wonder Skin
    nature: Bold
    evs: 252 HP / 200 Def / 56 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This is the only set that Delcatty can use in NU without being completely outclassed. Baton Pass is the key move on this set, allowing Delcatty to support specially offensive teammates with Calm Mind boosts. Hyper Voice allows Delcatty to make use of those Calm Mind boosts if it is hit by Taunt or if passing is not an option. Substitute can shield shields Delcatty from hits if it manages to force something out, and Substitute passing can often support a teammate's sweep just as well as passing Calm Mind, allowing the recipient one free turn giving the recipient a free switch-in.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The given EV spread allows Delcatty to outspeed max Speed base 45 Pokemon, such as Golem and Marowak, while making Delcatty as physically bulky as possible. Wonder Skin is the chosen ability, giving Delcatty an chance to set up in front of Taunt, phazing moves, and status moves. It is also the only reason to use Delcatty as a Calm Mind passer, as it is outclassed by most others in every other way. Good teammates to consider for Delcatty are those that appreciate the Calm Mind boosts while being able to switch into moves aimed at Delcatty. Charizard, Musharna, Exeggutor, and Haunter all appreciate the Special Attack boosts and can switch into the Fighting-type moves aimed at Delcatty with ease. Specially attacking Samurott is another good option to receive these boosts, and has the bulk to take most of the Fighting-type moves aimed at Delcatty. Pursuit trappers such as Skuntank are greatly appreciated by Delcatty, as trapping Ghost-types allows Delcatty to stand a chance if it is your last Pokemon. It should be pointed out that Delcatty is completely outclassed by Mr. Mime and Musharna on full Baton Pass teams, and therefore should not be considered for a spot on said teams. Delcatty really only belongs on joke teams,(AC) to be quite frank.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>As stated previously, Delcatty has an expansive movepool that most pokemon would kill for. However, it is outclassed at anything else it tries to do. A set using Normalize and Thunder Wave allows Delcatty to paralyze Ground-types, but it leaves it helpless against Ghost-types, including Golurk, the most common Ground-type. Delcatty could make use of Fake Out and Sucker Punch as a makeshift revenge killer, but it is completely outclassed in this role by Kangaskhan, which has better Speed, bulk, and Attack. Delcatty has access to Wish and Heal Bell, but Audino and Lickilicky both perform this role better are better users of these moves, as they have better bulk, offensive pressure, and Regenerator in Audino's case. It could Delcatty can possibly run a Calm Mind set without Baton Pass, as it has an expansive special move pool, butt movepool, but its measly base 55(do you really need to mention this) Special Attack makes it an inferior choice to the likes of Musharna and Serperior.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Delcatty has the offensive presence of a newly born kitten,(RC) and is probably even easier to defeat. Any Fighting-(AH)type move or any relatively strong STAB move will easily dispose of Delcatty. Delcatty can even be phased phazed out by attacking moves such as Dragon Tail and Circle Throw, meaning that specially defensive Throh and Zweilous are "purrfect" answers to Delcatty. Basically anything that can switch into Delcatty (which is anything)(lol youre saying this at the start of the sentence) and 1 OHKO or 2HKO it or its Baton Pass recipient are good options as checks.</p>

    no offense man, but you should be a bit less lazy when it comes to implementing checks as quite some stuff from gato's check wasn't implemented(i did it again in my check)
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    I promise anything I missed was not intentional, anyways, implemented
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    [Overview]

    <p>To put it frankly, Delcatty is a terrible pPokemon, even in NU. Its stats are extremely underwhelming and its Normal typing does it no favors, as it gives it a lot of competition in the tier that it can't keep up with. However, Delcatty has an expansive movepool and a decent ability in Wonder Skin, giving it an extremely small niche in the tier as a Baton Pass user. Before using Delcatty on your team, you should always "paws" (lololol) and consider something else in its place, as there is almost certainly something that can perform its role better for your team.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Calm Mind Baton Pass
    move 1: Baton Pass
    move 2: Calm Mind
    move 3: Hyper Voice
    move 4: Substitute
    item: Leftovers
    ability: Wonder Skin
    nature: Bold
    evs: 252 HP / 200 Def / 56 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This is the only set that Delcatty can use in NU without being completely outclassed. Baton Pass is the key move on this set, allowing Delcatty to support specially offensive teammates with Calm Mind boosts. Hyper Voice allows Delcatty to make use of those Calm Mind boosts if it is hit by Taunt or if passing is not an option. Substitute shields Delcatty from hits if it manages to force something out, and Substitute passing can often support a teammate's sweep just as well as passing Calm Mind, giving the recipient a free switch-in.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The given EV spread allows Delcatty to outspeed max Speed base 45 Speed Pokemon, such as Golem and Marowak, while making Delcatty as physically bulky as possible. Wonder Skin is the chosen ability, giving Delcatty an a chance to set up in front of Taunt, phazing moves, and status moves. It is also the only reason to use Delcatty as a Calm Mind passer, as it is outclassed by most others in every other way. Good teammates to consider for Delcatty are those that appreciate the Calm Mind boosts while being able to switch into moves aimed at Delcatty. Charizard, Musharna, Exeggutor, and Haunter all appreciate the Special Attack boosts and can switch into the Fighting-type moves aimed at Delcatty with ease. Specially attacking Samurott is another good option to receive these boosts, and has the bulk to take most of the Fighting-type moves aimed at Delcatty. Pursuit trappers such as Skuntank are greatly appreciated by Delcatty, as trapping Ghost-types allows Delcatty to stand a chance if it is your last Pokemon. It should be pointed out that Delcatty is completely outclassed by Mr. Mime and Musharna on full Baton Pass teams, and therefore should not be considered for a spot on said teams. Delcatty really only belongs on joke teams, to be quite frank.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>As stated previously, Delcatty has an expansive movepool that most pPokemon would kill for. However, it is outclassed at anything else it tries to do. A set using Normalize and Thunder Wave allows Delcatty to paralyze Ground-types, but it leaves it helpless against Ghost-types, including Golurk, the most common Ground-type. Delcatty could make use of Fake Out and Sucker Punch as a makeshift revenge killer, but it is completely outclassed in this role by Kangaskhan, which has better Speed, bulk, and Attack. Delcatty has access to Wish and Heal Bell, but Audino and Lickilicky are both better users of these moves, as they have better bulk, offensive pressure, and Regenerator in Audino's case. Delcatty can possibly run a Calm Mind set without Baton Pass, as it has an expansive special movepool, but its measly Special Attack makes it an inferior choice to the likes of Musharna and Serperior.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Delcatty has the offensive presence of a newly born kitten and is probably even easier to defeat. Any Fighting-type move or any relatively strong STAB move will easily dispose of Delcatty. Delcatty can even be phazed out by attacking moves such as Dragon Tail and Circle Throw, meaning that specially defensive Throh and Zweilous are "purrfect" (lolololol) answers to Delcatty. Basically anything that can switch into Delcatty and OHKO or 2HKO it or its Baton Pass recipient are good options as checks.</p>




    that was pawsitively hissterical

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    Thanks for the check and the puns, implemented, this is ready for upload :]
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