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Deoxys-S (Analysis)

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  1. Deinosaur

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    Deoxys-S

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    [OVERVIEW]

    <p>Deoxys-S, having being banished to Ubers after dominating OU in DPP, has returned to OU to an entirely different metagame. With the addition of Excadrill and team preview, Deoxys-S has become a little less useful, but is still a great threat if not handled correctly due to its average attacking stats and incredible Speed. Furthermore, it has an incredible movepool that gives it plenty of options. A lead set is possible, using Spikes, Stealth Rock, and Taunt, while an attacking set makes great use of its blazing fast speed. It can support its team as the fastest dual screen user in the game, aiding set-up sweepers or those aiming to use the Shell Smash + Baton Pass strategy. All in all, Deoxys-S can be a very good Pokemon to have on your side.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Standard
    move 1: Stealth Rock
    move 2: Spikes
    move 3: Taunt
    move 4: Superpower / Hidden Power Fire
    item: Focus Sash
    nature: Jolly / Timid
    evs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]
    <p>This is the basic set that Deoxys-S will be seen running. Obviously, Stealth Rock and Spikes are to get hazards up, which is what Deoxys is meant to do. Such a task is easy due to its great speed and decent bulk. Taunt is also a great move to carry with Deoxys since it can stop slower leads from setting up. The fourth move is up to you depending on what you want to eliminate. Tyranitar is one of the most used Pokemon this generation, so if you'd like to get rid of him, you should choose Superpower. Keep in mind that Superpower cannot OHKO standard Tyranitar without a boosting item, but it will 2HKO quite comfortably. If you want to eliminate Steel-types such as Ferrothorn or Forretress, Hidden Power Fire and a Timid nature are good choices.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
    <p>The EV spread is pretty basic. 252 Speed EVs allow it to be the second fastest Pokemon without boosts, short of Excadrill in the sand. This ensures that it will get Taunt or hazards down quickly, which is what most teams are looking for when using Deoxys-S. 252 HP EVs to allow it to take weak attacks such as a Seismic Toss from Blissey or Extremespeed from another Deoxys-S. If you do want that extra bit of bulk, you may consider using Leftovers as the item. Also, you may choose to carry Lum Berry in case you like to avoid status moves while getting up hazards. Life Orb is also an option to OHKO Tyranitar, which is helpful.</p>

    <p>There are other possible moves to use on this set. You may enjoy the power of Psycho Boost, as it gets STAB and has a high Base Power; however, it doesn't hit many Pokemon that Deoxys-S cares about. You can also use Magic Coat if you are having trouble with Prankster leads such as Thundurus or Whimsicott, as the move can reflect their priority Taunts or statuses. Magic Coat takes loads of prediction to use correctly, though, so having a Pokemon with Magic Bounce is recommended instead.</p>

    <p>Deoxys-S excels at setting up hazards and preventing other leads from doing the same. As such, it fits extremely well on an offensive team that needs Spikes support to weaken the opposition. Deoxys-S pairs well with hard hitters that cause many switches, such as Choice Band Haxorus or Choice Specs Latios. It also helps with Pokemon that need that extra damage to achieve OHKOs. Another pairing you can use is with Rapid Spin users such as Tentacruel. Because the most common anti-spinner is Jellicent, who is greatly hampered by Spikes, Tentacruel's presence can wear it down through repeated switches, leading to an easy spin. On the other hand, Deoxys-S likes help from spin blockers to prevent its all-important hazards from being removed. Pokemon that trouble this set are Forretress with its Rapid Spin and Ferrothorn with its powerful Gyro Ball. These can both be stopped by Will-O-Wisp Jellicent or powerful Fire-type attacks.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Life Orb Sweeper
    move 1: Psycho Boost / Psychic
    move 2: Ice Beam
    move 3: Thunderbolt
    move 4: Superpower
    item: Life Orb
    nature: Naive
    evs: 12 Atk / 244 SpA / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]
    <p>Deoxys-S is a great user of Life Orb. It has a great movepool, which provides good coverage, and it makes a great late-game sweeper or revenge killer with its monstrous base 180 speed. On this set, Psycho Boost is an incredibly powerful STAB attack that does large amounts of damage to anything that doesn't aside from Blissey and Chansey. Deoxys-S carries BoltBeam on this set for good coverage, although it is resisted by more Pokemon this generation. Superpower is for Tyranitar and Blissey, as it is guaranteed to OHKO Tyranitar with the given EVs and does quite a bit to Blissey.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
    <p>Although 12 EVs in Attack looks funny, it will guarantee the OKHO on standard Tyranitar with Superpower, even without Stealth Rock. The Special Attack EVs are to dish out as much damage as possible, and the Speed EVs allow it to outspeed and OHKO all Dragon Dance users at +1, which is a valuable asset when you're trying to revenge kill. This also means it outspeeds all Choice Scarf users up to base 102, as well as standard Metagross and Cloyster at +2.</p>

    <p>An alternative for this set is Hidden Power Fire to deal with Steel-types such as Ferrothorn, Forretress, and Bronzong. It is usually inferior to the moves listed, but the decision is up to you. Another possible move is Psychic over Psycho Boost, if you find the Special Attack drop or accuracy unappealing. However, this is usually not recommended because the lack of power is extremely noticeable.</p>

    <p>Deoxys-S is quite possibly the best revenge killer in the game, and it does not even have to carry a Choice Scarf. It fits well on any team that needs to stop Dragon Dancers or Shell Smash Cloyster. Deoxys-S can revenge kill even some Choice Scarf users, so if you have trouble with other Pokemon ending your sweeps, Deoxys-S can outspeed and dish out a lot of damage to them. Strong walls such as Cresselia or Bronzong stop this set (assuming Deoxys-S lacks Hidden Power Fire), but can be worked around by pairing up Deoxys-S with something that can give those two trouble, such as Substitute Gengar or Heatran.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Dual Screens
    move 1: Reflect
    move 2: Light Screen
    move 3: Taunt
    move 4: Stealth Rock / Superpower
    item: Light Clay
    nature: Jolly
    evs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]
    <p>This set is great for setting up the potent strategy, Shell Smash + Baton Pass, or just setting up a bulky sweeper in general. The set is pretty basic with dual screens and Taunt, which ensures that both screens will be set. The last slot is a toss up between Stealth Rock and Superpower. The former makes it a great lead by gaining the advantage right off the bat, but makes it Taunt bait from Prankster users. Superpower is good for Tyranitar, although once again, it cannot OHKO Tyranitar without any investment.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
    <p>The EVs for this set look similar to those from the other sets. You want maximum Speed so you can get up those screens as quickly as possible. The HP EVs actually help a lot more on this set, as with screens, the defenses become a lot better and you can deal with stronger assaults. Another item you can use is Leftovers to abuse the defense boost from the screens, but it is usually outclassed by Light Clay, which extends the duration to 8 turns and gives more time to anything making use of the support.</p>

    <p>There really aren't a whole lot of extra moves you can fit onto this set, as Deoxys-S needs all of its moves. Magic Coat is viable to alleviate trouble against Prankster users, but such leads are becoming less and less common.</p>

    <p>Deoxys-S pairs up really well with bulky set-up sweepers such as Double Dance Terrakion or Swords Dance Haxorus. Also, as most battlers have figured out already, Deoxys-S is a major help to set up the Shell Smash + Baton Pass strategy. It allows Gorebyss to set up its Shell Smash without worry of getting OHKOed. Then, once the boosts are passed, the receiver has much less to worry about how likely is it for an opponent to outspeed the receiver (who has a +2 boost in Speed) and OHKO it when screens cut its damage in half. However, Deoxys-S does have trouble with Pokemon that can KO it through screens or phaze it out with Dragon Tail. Most times, you will want something to stop these kind of phazers, as they cannot be Taunted. Unfortunately, such users vary, so you need different counters to cover each one.</p>

    [OTHER OPTIONS]
    <p>Deoxys-S has an excellent movepool, but it's not the greatest at using all of the moves. This alien DNA has access to Fire Punch, Ice Punch, and ThunderPunch, but such moves are usually outclassed by Thunderbolt and the like. It has access to Toxic and Thunder Wave, although it usually cannot use them as well as others such as Deoxys-D can. Deoxys-S can use Pursuit to beat spin blockers at low health, but its not as strong as other Pursuit users. It has access to Cosmic Power and Recover, but is outclassed at using them by the bulkier Deoxys-D. You can also use a Choice Scarf on Deoxys-S, because it outspeeds Excadrill, and can Trick its Choice Scarf off later.</p>

    [CHECKS AND COUNTERS]
    <p>Deoxys-S can be worn down quickly with status, hazards, and Life Orb recoil because it cannot use recovery effectively. You should note that Excadrill in the sand still outpaces Deoxys-S and can do quite a number with a STAB Earthquake or X-Scissor. If someone decides to put a Choice Scarf on something fast such as Gengar, it will also outspeed Deoxys-S and KO it. Strong walls, such as Cresselia and Bronzong, will take little damage from Deoxys-S's attacks and can hinder it with Thunder Wave or a seriously strong Gyro Ball.</p>
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    I know this is a placeholder, however, I think these three are the most mandatory because of their usability and popularity:
    • Focus Sash Lead set (w/ Spikes, Stealth Rock, Psycho Boost / Ice Beam)
    • Offensive set with Life Orb (Psycho Boost, Ice Beam, Hidden Power Fire, SuperPower)
    • Dual Screens
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    The set I use and have alwaysed used is:

    Deoxys - S @ Leftovers
    Ability: Pressure
    252 HP, 4 Def, 252 Spe
    Jolly nature (+Spe, -SpA)
    ~ Stealth Rock
    ~ Spikes
    ~ Taunt
    ~ Knock Off

    This is a pure set-up, suicide lead and I love it as it always does its job well enough to get at least Stealth Rock, and 2 Layers of Spikes down before being killed.

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    thank you bugmaniacbob.

    @furretfan092: I'm pretty sure I just put the basic sets in the analysis. Feel free to get that looked at as an individual set, though.
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    Maximum speed is usually unneeded {speed tiers link}. Instead, 224 EVs are good for Scarf Landorus (497), 56 for +1 neutral base 100s (451). Then, you can invest in more offenses (applies to all sets, but probably more relevant to LO sweeper). Also, I would mention Scarf in OO because it can outspeed Exca in sand and has access to Trick. 32 EVs and neutral nature outpace Jolly Exca.
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    I used Deoxys-S once, a while ago. I would have to say for the "lead set" that you add leftovers in the AC comments, as Deosxys-S takes a few hits quite well, and leftovers greatly increases its survivablity and even brings it over the edge to turn some 2HKOs into 3HKOs.

    Also magic coat is pretty useless most of the time, I would place in in AC.

    Also, before someone else says it, change the name of the "lead" set to something else, as "leads" don't exist in this gen. Make it "hazard set up" or something along that line.
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    Hmm, I don't use Deoxys much, but would a TrickBand set work? Zen Headbutt / Superpower / Fire Punch / Trick, maybe slash in Thunderpunch for Jellicent and Gyarados?
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    @vox: i'm probably going to keep it as is because you never know when you're gonna need that extra speed. Unless majority decides it should be changed.

    @scarfwynaut: Changed.

    @jt swift: I think i may have to leave that off until its been tested more, you could possibly try to get it QC'd as a seperate set, however.
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    Most of the changes on IRC were made which is awesome. Just change the name of the main set to standard.

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    might want to mention that LO is an option on the hazard set to OHKO tyranitar with superpower

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    Needs a bit more writing, methinks. 2 paragraphs isn't really sufficient for set descriptions.

    Most importantly, you're missing teammate options on all sets. All of your sets need some form of team options underneath Additional Comments - not having used Deoxys-S I can't really recommend anything. Maybe ask a QC member if you're having difficulty.
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    @bugmaniacbob: fixed
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    [OVERVIEW]

    <p>Deoxys-S has returned to OU after once dominating the tier and being banished to ubers, but it comes back to an entirely different metagame. With the addition of Excadrill and team preview, Deoxys-S has become a little less useful, but is still a great threat if not handled correctly due to its average attacking stats and incredible speed.</p>
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    <p>Deoxys-S It has an incredible movepool that gives it tons of options. A lead set is possible, using Spikes, Stealth Rock, and Taunt, while an attacking set makes great use of its blazing fast speed. It can support its team as the fastest dual screen user in existence, aiding set-up sweepers or those aiming the use the Shell Smash + Baton Pass strategy. [not sure if smashpass has been coined] maybe add a concluding sentence to the overview If it leads, you can run the basic lead set with Spikes, Stealth Rock, and Taunt, or you could run dual screens for setting up bulky sweepers or smashpass.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Standard
    move 1: Stealth Rock
    move 2: Spikes
    move 3: Taunt
    move 4: Superpower / Hidden Power [FIRE] Fire
    item: Focus Sash
    nature: Jolly / Timid
    evs: 252 HP, 4 Def, 252 Spe 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]
    <p>This is the basic set that Deoxys-S will be seen running. Obviously, Stealth Rock and Spikes are to get hazards up, which is what Deoxys is meant to do. Such a task is easy due to its great speed and decent bulk. Taunt is also a great move to carry with Deoxys because since it can stop slower leads from setting up, such as Ferrothorn or Skarmory. these don't really lead IME. I think Aerodactyl (ok, that's uncommon too) or something is a better mention The fourth move is up to you depending on what you want to eliminate. Tyranitar is by far the most used lead this generation, so if you’d [change this curly apostrophe to a straight one '] like to get rid of him, you want to use Superpower. Keep in mind that Superpower cannot KO standard Tyranitar without a boosting item, but it will 2HKO quite comfortably. If you want to eliminate Steel-types such aslike Ferrothorn or Forretress, Hidden Power Fire and a Timid nature are good choices. you would want to use HP Fire and a Timid nature instead.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
    <p>The EV spread is pretty basic. 252 Speed EVs allows it to be the fastest pokemon without boosts. This ensures that it will get a Taunt or hazards down quickly, which is what most teams are looking for when using Deoxys-S. Also Deoxys-S has 252 HP EVs to allow it to take weak attacks such as another Deoxys-S's or Blissey's Seismic Toss. Seismic Toss is set damage, so this is sort of confusing. Nonetheless, it is still weak, so it's OK if you leave it like how it is. If you do want that extra bit of bulk, like to be able to take weak attacks, you may consider using Leftovers as an item;[semicolon], however,[comma] it does allow you to be OHKOed by Tyranitar. with sandstorm, Ttar "OHKOes" regardless of item: Crunch leaves Deo-S with 1HP usually, and sandstorm kills it that turn. Also,[comma] you may choose to carry Lum Berry lum berry in case you like to avoid status moves while getting up hazards. Life Orb is also an option to OHKO Tyranitar, which is always good.</p> at least mention alternate speeds IMO

    <p>There are other possible moves to use on this set also. You may enjoy the power of Psycho Boost,[comma] as it gets STAB and has a high Base Power; large BP, however,[comma] it doesn't hit a whole lot of Pokemon that Deoxys-S cares about. You can also use Magic Coat if you are constantly having trouble with Prankster MH leads such as Thunderus or Whimsicott,[comma] as it the move can reflect their priority Taunts. moves. Magic Coat takes loads of prediction to use correctly, however, so and having a Magic Bounce Pokemon is recommended instead.</p>

    <p>Deoxys-S excels at setting up hazards and preventing other leads from doing the same. As such, Deoxys-S fits extremely well on an offensive team that needs Spikes support up to weaken the opposition. Deoxys-S pairs well with hard hitters that cause many switches, such as CB Choice Band Haxorus or Choice Specs Latios. It also helps with Pokemon that need that extra damage to achieve OHKOs. Another pairing you can use is with Rapid Spinners such as Tentacruel.[period] Because the most common anti-spinner is Jellicent, who is greatly affected by Spikes, Tentacruel's presence can wear it down through repeated switches, leading to an easy spin., because the most common anti-spinner is Jellicent, who is greatly affected by spikes, which can eventually lead to an easy spin. On the other end of the spectrum, Deoxys-S likes help from spin blockers to prevent his its all-important hazards from being removed. Pokemon that trouble this set are Forretress with its Rapid Spin and Ferrothorn with its powerful Gyro Ball. These can both be stopped by Will-o-Wisp Jellicent or powerful fire-type attacks.</p>


    [SET]
    name: Life Orb Sweeper
    move 1: Psycho Boost / Psychic
    move 2: Ice Beam
    move 3: Thunderbolt
    move 4: Superpower
    item: Life Orb
    nature: Naïve
    evs: 12 Atk / 244 SpA / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Deoxys-S is a great user of Life Orb. He It has a great movepool which provides good coverage, and it hesS makes a great lategame sweeper or revenge killer with a monstrous base 180 peed. In On this the set, Psycho Boost is an incredibly powerful STAB that does large amounts to damage to any that doesn't don’t resist it or are named Blissey or Chansey. Deoxys-S carries BoltBeam on this set for good coverage, although it is resisted by more Pokemon this generation. Superpower is for Tyranitar and Blissey, as it is guaranteed to KO Tyranitar with the given EVs and does a number to Blissey.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Although 12 EVs in Attack looks funny, it will guarantee the OKHO on Tyranitar specify which Tyranitar variant this applies to Tyrnaitar with Superpower, even without SR. It seems that some battlers may need the KO to be guaranteed in order to kill it. [???] The special attack EVs are to dish out as much damage as possible, and the speed EVs allow it to outspeed and OHKO all Dragon Dancers at +1, which is a valuable asset when you think about revenge killing. This also means it outspeeds all Choice Scarf users scarfers up to base 102 Speed, and standard Metagross and Cloyster at +2.</p> alternate speeds to allow more investment in offenses are worth a mention IMO

    <p>Other moves to put on this set are HP Fire to end Steel-types such as like Ferrothorn, Forretress, and Bronzong. It is usually inferior to the moves listed already, but its the decision is up to you. Another possible move is Psychic over Psycho Boost, if you find the special attack drop or accuracy unappealing. However, this is usually not recommended because the lack of power is extremely noticeable. and it will deal significantly less damage.</p>

    <p>Deoxys-S is quite possibly the best revenge killer in the game, and it does not even have to carry a Choice Scarf. It fits well on any team that needs to stop Dragon Dancers, Agility Metagross, or Cloyster. Deoxys-S can revenge kill even some Choice Scarf users maybe a mention of some specific Pokemon scarfers, so if you have trouble with other Pokemon mons ending your sweeps, Deoxys-S can outspeed and dish out a lot of damage to them. Stops to this set are strong walls such as Cressellia or Bronzong (if you lack HP Fire), but can be worked around by pairing up with something that can give those two trouble, such aslike Substitue Gengar or Heatran.</p>


    [SET]
    name: Dual Screens
    move 1: Reflect
    move 2: Light Screen
    move 3: Taunt
    move 4: Stealth Rock / Superpower
    item: Light Clay
    nature: Jolly
    evs: 252 HP, 4 Def, 252 Spe 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]
    <p>This set is great for setting up the potent strategy, Shell Smash + Baton Pass [once again, I dont' know if smashpass is coined] smashpass, or just setting up a bulky sweeper in general. The set is pretty basic with dual screens, and Taunt, which basically ensures both screens will be set. The last slot is a toss up between Stealth Rock and Superpower. and then you should have either Stealth Rock or Superpower in the other slot. Stealth Rock The former makes it a great lead by gaining the advantage right off the bat, but makes it Taunt bait from Prankster users MH users. Superpower is good for Tyranitar, although once again, it cannot OHKO.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
    <p>The EVs for all these sets technically not supposed to refer to other sets, but it isn't really a problem here since you refer to everything are pretty much looking the same. You want maximum speed so you can get up those screens as quickly as possible. The HP EVs actually help a lot more on this set, as with screens, the defenses become a lot better and you can deal with a little bit stronger assaults. Another item you can use is Leftovers,[remove comma] to abuse the screens, how does Leftovers abuse screens? but it is usually outclassed by Light Clay, which extends the duration to 8 turns and gives more time to anything making use of the support. light clay so that the screens can stay up for an extended amount of time, which greatly benefits the team.</p>

    <p>There really aren't a whole lot of extra moves you can fit into this set, as Deoxys-S it needs all of its moves. Magic Coat is viable to alleviate trouble against Prankster users, but such leads are becoming less and less common. I suppose you can try Magic Coat if MH users are really giving you a hard time, but they are becoming less and less common.</p>

    <p>Deoxys-S pairs up really well with bulky set-uppers sweepers such as Double Dance Terrakion or Swords Dance Haxorus. Also, as most battlers have figured out already, Deoxys-S is a major help to set up the Shell Smash + Baton Pass strategy. smashpass. It allows Gorrebyss to set up its Shell Smash without worry of getting KOed. Also Then,[comma] once the boosts are passed,it is passed, the receiver has much less to worry about.[period] How likely is it for an opponent to outspeed the receiver (who has a +2 boost in Speed) and KO it under half damage? also, as not only does it have to be outsped at +2, but it has to be KOed with screens up, which is hard to do. However, Deoxys-S has does have trouble with Pokemon that can KO through screens or phaze it him out with Dragon Tail. Most times, you will want something to stop these kind of phazers, as they cannot be Taunted.[period], but the users vary, so you will need different counters. Unfortunately, such users vary, so you need different counters to cover each one.</p>


    [OTHER OPTIONS]
    <p>Deoxys-S has an excellent movepool, but he’s it's not the greatest at using all of the moves them. Deoxys This alien DNA has access to Fire Punch, Ice Punch, and Thunderpunch, but such moves are usually outclassed by Thunderbolt and the like. It has access to Toxic and Thunder Wave, although it usually cannot use them as well as others such as Deoxys-D can. Deoxys-S can use Pursuit to beat spin blockers at low health. maybe a reason why it isn't as good at using Pursuit as others are Deoxys-S It has access to Cosmic Power and Recover, but it is outclassed at using them by the bulkier Deoxys-D.</p> If you don't want to in AC, at least mention alternate speeds here. Also, I would mention Choice Scarf because it can actually outspeed sand Excadrill and has Trick so it won't be stuck with the Scarf the entire game.

    [CHECKS AND COUNTERS]
    <p>Deoxys-S can be worn down quickly with status, hazards, and Life Orb recoil because it cannot use recovery effectively lacks recovery. It You should note that Excadrill in the sand still outpaces Deoxys-S and can do quite a number with a STAB Earthquake or X-Scissor. should also be noted that Excadrill outspeeds in sand, and can do quite a number to Deoxys with his average-at-best defenses. If someone decides to scarf something fast such as like Gengar, it will also outspeed Deoxys-S and KO it. Strong walls such as Cressellia or Bronzong will take little damage from Deoxys’ Deoxys-S's attacks and can hinder with Thunder Wave or a seriously strong Gyro Ball.</p>
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    On the Hazard set, running an Adamant nature with 252 Atk EVs should be an option. Also, I think Superpower / Fire Punch deserve a slash after Taunt, as having 2 coverage moves really makes Deoxys-S's life much easier. Taunt is not that useful, as it is a bit too predictable and will often result in Deoxys-S dying while only being able to get Stealth Rock up. A speed boosting nature really does not accomplish much, only a small number of pokemon being able to outspeed an Adamant max speed Deoxys-S. Obviously, you could change the nature and modify the EVs to run Hidden Power Fire. Focus Sash basically takes care of the bulk issue. Deoxys can easily ohko Tyranitar with this spread, and also do much more damage to Forretress.
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    Looks good. V0x's check is excellent; make sure you include all of it—I know you got most of it, but there were a few things you missed. That, along with some other corrections, are here.

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    <p>Deoxys-S, has returned to OUving been banished to Ubers after once dominating the tier and being banished to ubers, but it comes backOU, has returned to OU to an entirely different metagame. With the addition of Excadrill and team preview, Deoxys-S has become a little less useful, but is still a great threat if not handled correctly, due to its average attacking stats and incredible sSpeed. IFurther, it has an incredible movepool that gives it tonsplenty of options. A lead set is possible, using Spikes, Stealth Rock, and Taunt, while an attacking set makes great use of its blazing fast speed. It can support its team as the fastest dual screen user in existencthe game, aiding set-up sweepers or those aiming to use the Shell Smash + Baton Pass strategy. All in all, Deoxys-S can be a very good pPokemon to have on your side.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Standard
    move 1: Stealth Rock
    move 2: Spikes
    move 3: Taunt
    move 4: Superpower / Hidden Power Fire
    item: Focus Sash
    nature: Jolly / Timid
    evs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe

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    <p>This is the basic set that Deoxys-S will be seen running. Obviously, Stealth Rock and Spikes are to get hazards up, which is what Deoxys is meant to do. Such a task is easy due to its great speed and decent bulk. Taunt is also a great move to carry with Deoxys since it can stop slower leads from setting up. The fourth move is up to you depending on what you want to eliminate. Tyranitar is by far the most used lead this generation, so if you'd like to get rid of him, you want to use Superpower.should choose Superpower. [COMMENT: In general, forget about thinking of "leads." The concept of Skarmory and Ferrothorn as leads isn't really true anymore; you think of them as typical hazard-setters. Similarly, Tyranitar's role is not tailored to opening the game, but rather, for getting up sandstorm. Tyranitar is a near-ubiquitous threat, not a lead.] Keep in mind that Superpower cannot OHKO standard Tyranitar without a boosting item, but it will 2HKO quite comfortably. If you want to eliminate Steel-types, such as Ferrothorn or Forretress, Hidden Power Fire and a Timid nature are good choices.</p>

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    <p>The EV spread is pretty basic. 252 Speed EVs allow it to be the fastest pPokemon without boosts. This ensures that it will get Taunt or hazards down quickly, which is what most teams are looking for when using Deoxys-S. 252 HP EVs to allow it to take weak attacks, such as Seismic Toss from another Deoxys-S's or Blissey's Seismic Toss. If you do want that extra bit of bulk, you may consider using Leftovers as anthe item; however, it does allow you to be OHKOed by Tyranitar. [COMMENT: Um, Tyranitar's sandstorm will kill Deo-S anyway. This item should be changed.] Also, you may choose to carry Lum Berry in case you like to avoid status moves while getting up hazards. Life Orb is also an option to OHKO Tyranitar, which is always goodhelpful.</p>

    <p>There are other possible moves to use on this set. You may enjoy the power of Psycho Boost, as it gets STAB and has a high Base Power; however, it doesn't hit a whole lot of Pokemon that Deoxys-S cares about. You can also use Magic Coat if you are constantly having trouble with Prankster leads such as Thundeurus or Whimsicott, as the move can reflect their priority Taunts or statuses. Magic Coat takes loads of prediction to use correctly, thoweverugh, so having a Pokemon with Magic Bounce Pokemon is recommended instead.</p>

    <p>Deoxys-S excels at setting up hazards and preventing other leads from doing the same. As such, Deoxys-Sit fits extremely well on an offensive team that needs Spikes support to weaken the opposition. Deoxys-S pairs well with hard hitters that cause many switches, such as Choice Band Haxorus or Choice Specs Latios. It also helps with Pokemon that need that extra damage to achieve OHKOs. Another pairing you can use is with Rapid Spinners such as Tentacruel. Because the most common anti-spinner is Jellicent, who is greatly affected by Spikes, Tentacruel's presence can wear it down through repeated switches, leading to an easy spin. On the other end of the spectrum, Deoxys-S likes help from spin blockers to prevent its all-important hazards from being removed. Pokemon that trouble this set are Forretress with its Rapid Spin and Ferrothorn with its powerful Gyro Ball. These can both be stopped by Will-oO-Wisp Jellicent or powerful fFire-type attacks.</p>


    [SET]
    name: Life Orb Sweeper
    move 1: Psycho Boost / Psychic
    move 2: Ice Beam
    move 3: Thunderbolt
    move 4: Superpower
    item: Life Orb
    nature: Naïive
    evs: 12 Atk / 244 SpA / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Deoxys-S is a great user of Life Orb. It has a great movepool, which provides good coverage, and it makes a great late-game sweeper or revenge killer with aits monstrous base 180 speed. On this set, Psycho Boost is an incredibly powerful STAB attack that does large amounts toof damage to anything that doesn't resist it or is named, aside from Blissey orand Chansey. Deoxys-S carries BoltBeam on this set for good coverage, although it is resisted by more Pokemon this generation. Superpower is for Tyranitar and Blissey, as it is guaranteed to OHKO Tyranitar with the given EVs and does a numberquite a bit to Blissey.</p>

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    <p>Although 12 EVs in Attack looks funny, it will guarantee the OKHO on standard Tyranitar with Superpower, even without SR. The s[COMMENT: V0x and I talked about this; "looks" is referring to the notion of 12 EVs, not the EVs themselves. So it flows better as singular.] The Special aAttack EVs are to dish out as much damage as possible, and the sSpeed EVs allow it to outspeed and OHKO all Dragon Dancers at +1, which is a valuable asset when you think about're trying to revenge killing. This also means it outspeeds all Choice Scarf users up to base 102, ands well as standard Metagross and Cloyster at +2.</p>

    <p>Other moves to put on this set are HP Fire to endAn alternative for this set is Hidden Power Fire to deal with Steel-types such as Ferrothorn, Forretress, and Bronzong. It is usually inferior to the moves listed already, but the decision is up to you. Another possible move is Psychic over Psycho Boost, if you find the sSpecial aAttack drop or accuracy unappealing. However, this is usually not recommended because the lack of power is extremely noticeable.</p>

    <p>Deoxys-S is quite possibly the best revenge killer in the game, and it does not even have to carry a Choice Scarf. It fits well on any team that needs to stop Dragon Dancers, Agility Metagross, or Shell Smash Cloyster. Deoxys-S can revenge kill even some Choice Scarf users, so if you have trouble with other Pokemon ending your sweeps, Deoxys-S can outspeed and dish out a lot of damage to them. Stops to this set are strong walls such as Cressellia or Bronzong (if you lack HP Fire), but can be worked around by pairing up Deoxys-S with something that can give those two trouble, such as Substitute Gengar or Heatran.</p>


    [SET]
    name: Dual Screens
    move 1: Reflect
    move 2: Light Screen
    move 3: Taunt
    move 4: Stealth Rock / Superpower
    item: Light Clay
    nature: Jolly
    evs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This set is great for setting up the potent strategy, of Shell Smash + Baton Pass, or just setting up a bulky sweeper in general. The set is pretty basic, with dual screens and Taunt, which basically ensures that both screens will be set. The last slot is a toss -up between Stealth Rock and Superpower. The former makes it a great lead by gaining the advantage right oggff the bat, but makes it Taunt bait from Prankster users. Superpower is good for Tyranitar, although once again, it cannot OHKO Tyranitar without any investment.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The EVs for all these sets are pretty much looking this set look similar to those from the other sameets. You want maximum sSpeed so you can get up those screens as quickly as possible. The HP EVs actually help a lot more on this set, as with screens, the defenses become a lot better and you can deal with stronger assaults. Another item you can use is Leftovers, to abuse the defense boost from the screens, but it is usually outclassed by Light Clay, which extends the duration to 8 turns and gives more time to anything making use of the support.</p>

    <p>There really aren't a whole lot of extra moves you can fit ionto this set, as Deoxys-S needs all of its moves. Magic Coat is viable to alleviate trouble against Prankster users, but such leads are becoming less and less common.</p>

    <p>Deoxys-S pairs up really well with bulky set-up sweepers such as Double Dance Terrakion or Swords Dance Haxorus. Also, as most battlers have figured out already, Deoxys-S is a major help to set up the Shell Smash + Baton Pass strategy. It allows Gorrebyss to set up its Shell Smash without worry of getting OHKOed. Then, once the boosts are passed, the receiver has much less to worry about. H—how likely is it for an opponent to outspeed the receiver (who has a +2 boost in Speed) and OHKO it underwhen dealing half damage? However, Deoxys-S does have trouble with Pokemon that can KO it through screens or phaze it out with Dragon Tail. Most times, you will want something to stop these kind of phazers, as they cannot be Taunted. Unfortunately, such users vary, so you need different counters to cover each one.</p>


    [OTHER OPTIONS]

    <p>Deoxys-S has an excellent movepool, but it's not the greatest at using all of the moves. This alien DNA has access to Fire Punch, Ice Punch, and ThunderpPunch, but such moves are usually outclassed by Thunderbolt and the like. It has access to Toxic and Thunder Wave, although it usually cannot use them as well as others such as Deoxys-D can. Deoxys-S can use Pursuit to beat spin blockers at low health, but it's not as stong as other Pursuit users. It has access to Cosmic Power and Recover, but it is outclassed at using them by the bulkier Deoxys-D. You can also use a Choice Scarf on Deoxys-S, because it outspeeds Excadrill, and can Trick its Scarf off later.</p>

    [CHECKS AND COUNTERS]

    <p>Deoxys-S can be worn down quickly with status, hazards, and Life Orb recoil, because it cannot use recovery effectively. You should note that Excadrill in the sand still outpaces Deoxys-S and can do quite a number with a STAB Earthquake or X-Scissor. If someone decides to sput a Choice Scarf on something fast, such as Gengar, it will also outspeed Deoxys-S and KO it. Strong walls, such as Cressellia orand Bronzong, will take little damage from Deoxys-S's attacks and can hinder it with Thunder Wave or a seriously strong Gyro Ball.</p>


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    First, I think you should mention Colbur berry as an item on the lead set, often times when I put Deoxy-S on my team, my opponent will sent in Tyranitar as lead, hoping to only allow me to set up one layer, but Colbur berry will helps to still set up 2 layers. This idea is similar to the Colbur berry lead Azelf in Gen 4.

    Second, most importantly, this set NEEDS to be added when Life Orb Aerodactyl is viable:

    Deoxy-S@ Life Orb
    Naive or Hasty nature, 252 Spd/252 Atk/4 SAtk
    -Taunt
    -Recover
    -Ice beam
    -Low Kick/Drain Punch

    I know this set is not popular, but I really can't explain how successful it is when I use it. Basically, you can defeat stall like Aero does with Taunt and Roost (Recover in Deoxy-S case), instead you outspeed a hell lot more pokemon. You outspeed anything up to Choice Scarf Landorous (101 Spd) and all 100 speed pokemon at +1. Your bulk is also slightly better than Aero, and ice+fighting is as good as QuakeEdge in terms of coverage. Ice beam is chosen for good coverage. It is over Ice Punch becase it hit Gliscor and hippowdon harder and has higher base power. The fighting move is chosen because of Tyranitar mostly and it has good coverages with Ice beam. However, there are a tons of other attack options such as boltbeam, fire punch, or a psychic attack that you can mention, but I found Ice+Fighting the most effective for the reasons I said.

    In short, it is a choice scarf revenge killer with the ability to swithch moves, a stall breaker, and even a late game cleaner, it really need a set.
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    @TelamonianAjax, thank you and fixed.

    @sammao, the analysis has been written. If you think this set deserves QC approval, you can put it in C&C as a seperate set.
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    LO 12 attack superpower v. 60 HP Metagross- 27.2-32.3%. Hidden power does ok at 55.7-65.8% but its not a good way to stop the sweep.
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    Edited out, thanks. I meant it outspeeds, but it doesn't stop it.
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    <p>Deoxys-S,(comma) having being banished to Ubers after dominating OU in DPP, has returned to OU to an entirely different metagame. With the addition of Excadrill and team preview, Deoxys-S has become a little less useful, but is still a great threat if not handled correctly due to its average attacking stats and incredible Speed. Further, Furthermore, it has an incredible movepool that gives it plenty of options. A lead set is possible, using Spikes, Stealth Rock, and Taunt, while an attacking set makes great use of its blazing fast speed. It can support its team as the fastest dual screen user in the game, aiding set-up sweepers or those aiming to use the Shell Smash + Baton Pass strategy. All in all, Deoxys-S can be a very good Pokemon to have on your side.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Standard
    move 1: Stealth Rock
    move 2: Spikes
    move 3: Taunt
    move 4: Superpower / Hidden Power Fire
    item: Focus Sash
    nature: Jolly / Timid
    evs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]
    <p>This is the basic set that Deoxys-S will be seen running. Obviously, Stealth Rock and Spikes are to get hazards up, which is what Deoxys-S is meant to do. Such a task is easy due to its great Speed and decent bulk. Taunt is also a great move to carry with Deoxys-S, since it can stop slower leads from setting up. The fourth move is up to you depending on what you want to eliminate. Tyranitar is one of the most used Pokemon this generation, so if you'd like to get rid of him, you should choose Superpower. Keep in mind that Superpower cannot OHKO standard Tyranitar without a boosting item, but it will 2HKO quite comfortably. If you want to eliminate Steel-types such as Ferrothorn or Forretress, Hidden Power Fire and a Timid nature are good choices.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
    <p>The EV spread is pretty basic. 252 Speed EVs allow it to be the second fastest Pokemon without boosts.,(comma) short of Excadrill in the sand. This ensures that it will get Taunt or hazards down quickly, which is what most teams are looking for when using Deoxys-S. 252 HP EVs to allow it to take weak attacks such as a Seismic Toss from Blissey or ExtremeSpeed from another Deoxys-S. If you do want that extra bit of bulk, you may consider using Leftovers as the item. Also, you may choose to carry Lum Berry in case you like to avoid status moves while getting up hazards. Life Orb is also an option to OHKO Tyranitar, which is helpful.</p>

    <p>There are other possible moves to use on this set. You may enjoy the power of Psycho Boost, as it gets STAB and has a high Base Power; however, it doesn't hit a whole lot of many Pokemon that Deoxys-S cares about. You can also use Magic Coat if you are having trouble with Prankster leads such as Thundurus or Whimsicott, as the move can reflect their priority Taunts or statuses. Magic Coat takes loads of prediction to use correctly, though(no space), so having a Pokemon with Magic Bounce is recommended instead.</p>

    <p>Deoxys-S excels at setting up hazards and preventing other leads from doing the same. As such, it fits extremely well on an offensive team that needs Spikes support to weaken the opposition. Deoxys-S pairs well with hard hitters that cause many switches, such as Choice Band Haxorus or Choice Specs Latios. It also helps with Pokemon that need that extra damage to achieve OHKOs. Another pairing you can use is with Rapid Spinners users such as Tentacruel. Because the most common anti-spinner is Jellicent, who is greatly affected hampered by Spikes, Tentacruel's presence can wear it down through repeated switches, leading to an easy spin. On the other end of the spectrum, hand, Deoxys-S likes help from spin blockers to prevent its all-important hazards from being removed. Pokemon that trouble this set are Forretress with its Rapid Spin and Ferrothorn with its powerful Gyro Ball. These can both be stopped by Will-O-Wisp Jellicent or powerful Fire-type attacks.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Life Orb Sweeper
    move 1: Psycho Boost / Psychic
    move 2: Ice Beam
    move 3: Thunderbolt
    move 4: Superpower
    item: Life Orb
    nature: Naive
    evs: 12 Atk / 244 SpA / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]
    <p>Deoxys-S is a great user of Life Orb. It has a great movepool, which provides good coverage, and it makes a great late-(hyphen)game sweeper or revenge killer with its monstrous base 180 speed. On this set, Psycho Boost is an incredibly powerful STAB attack that does large amounts of damage to anything that doesn't aside from Blissey and Chansey. Deoxys-S carries BoltBeam on this set for good coverage, although it is resisted by more Pokemon this generation. Superpower is for Tyranitar and Blissey, as it is guaranteed to OHKO Tyranitar with the given EVs and does quite a bit to Blissey.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
    <p>Although 12 EVs in Attack looks funny, it will guarantee the OKHO on standard Tyranitar with Superpower, even without SR. Stealth Rock. (TelamonianAjax how did you miss this?) The Special Attack EVs are to dish out as much damage as possible, and the Speed EVs allow it to outspeed and OHKO all Dragon Dancers users at +1, which is a valuable asset when you're trying to revenge kill. This also means it outspeeds all Choice Scarf users up to base 102, as well as standard Metagross and Cloyster at +2.</p>

    <p>An alternative for this set is Hidden Power Fire to deal with Steel-types such as Ferrothorn, Forretress, and Bronzong. It is usually inferior to the moves listed, but the decision is up to you. Another possible move is Psychic over Psycho Boost, if you find the Special Attack drop or accuracy unappealing. However, this is usually not recommended because the lack of power is extremely noticeable.</p>

    <p>Deoxys-S is quite possibly the best revenge killer in the game, and it does not even have to carry a Choice Scarf. It fits well on any team that needs to stop Dragon Dancers or Shell Smash Cloyster. Deoxys-S can revenge kill even some Choice Scarf users, so if you have trouble with other Pokemon ending your sweeps, Deoxys-S can outspeed and dish out a lot of damage to them. Stops to this set are strong walls such as Cressellia or Bronzong (if you lack HP Fire), Strong walls such as Cresselia and Bronzong stop this set (assuming Deoxys-S lacks Hidden Power Fire), but can be worked around by pairing up Deoxys-S with something that can give those two trouble, such as Substitute Gengar or Heatran.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Dual Screens
    move 1: Reflect
    move 2: Light Screen
    move 3: Taunt
    move 4: Stealth Rock / Superpower
    item: Light Clay
    nature: Jolly
    evs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]
    <p>This set is great for setting up the potent strategy, Shell Smash + Baton Pass, or just setting up a bulky sweeper in general. The set is pretty basic with dual screens and Taunt, which ensures that both screens will be set. The last slot is a toss up between Stealth Rock and Superpower. The former makes it a great lead by gaining the advantage right off the bat, but makes it Taunt bait from Prankster users. Superpower is good for Tyranitar, although once again, it cannot OHKO Tyranitar without any investment.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]
    <p>The EVs for this set look similar to those from the other sets. You want maximum Speed so you can get up those screens as quickly as possible. The HP EVs actually help a lot more on this set, as with screens, the defenses become a lot better and you can deal with stronger assaults. Another item you can use is Leftovers to abuse the defense boost from the screens, but it is usually outclassed by Light Clay, which extends the duration to 8 turns and gives more time to anything making use of the support.</p>

    <p>There really aren't a whole lot of extra moves you can fit onto this set, as Deoxys-S needs all of its moves. Magic Coat is viable to alleviate trouble against Prankster users, but such leads are becoming less and less common.</p>

    <p>Deoxys-S pairs up really well with bulky set-up sweepers such as Double Dance Terrakion or Swords Dance Haxorus. Also, as most battlers have figured out already, Deoxys-S is a major help to set up the Shell Smash + Baton Pass strategy. It allows Gorrebyss to set up its Shell Smash without worry of getting OHKOed. Then, once the boosts are passed, the receiver has much less to worry about how likely is it for an opponent to outspeed the receiver (who has a +2 boost in Speed) and OHKO it when dealing half damage? Then, once the boosts are passed, the receiver has much less to worry about how likely is it for an opponent to outspeed the receiver (who has a +2 boost in Speed) and OHKO it when screens cut its damage in half. However, Deoxys-S does have trouble with Pokemon that can KO it through screens or phaze it out with Dragon Tail. Most times, you will want something to stop these kind of phazers, as they cannot be Taunted. Unfortunately, such users vary, so you need different counters to cover each one.</p>

    [OTHER OPTIONS]
    <p>Deoxys-S has an excellent movepool, but it's not the greatest at using all of the moves. This alien DNA has access to Fire Punch, Ice Punch, and ThunderPunch, but such moves are usually outclassed by Thunderbolt and the like. It has access to Toxic and Thunder Wave, although it usually cannot use them as well as others such as Deoxys-D can. Deoxys-S can use Pursuit to beat spin blockers at low health, but its not as stong strong as other Pursuit users. It has access to Cosmic Power and Recover, but is outclassed at using them by the bulkier Deoxys-D. You can also use a Choice Scarf on Deoxys-S, because it outspeeds Excadrill, and can Trick its Choice Scarf off later.</p>

    [CHECKS AND COUNTERS]
    <p>Deoxys-S can be worn down quickly with status, hazards, and Life Orb recoil because it cannot use recovery effectively. You should note that Excadrill in the sand still outpaces Deoxys-S and can do quite a number with a STAB Earthquake or X-Scissor. If someone decides to put a Choice Scarf on something fast such as Gengar, it will also outspeed Deoxys-S and KO it. Strong walls, such as Cressellia Cresselia and Bronzong, will take little damage from Deoxys-S's attacks and can hinder it with Thunder Wave or a seriously strong Gyro Ball.</p>


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    Idk about that LO Deoxys. If you want the best coverage, you should probably use something like: Psycho Boost/HP Fire/Shadow Ball/Superpower. It's walled by way, way less, especially under the sun. Reuniclus and Jirachi just laugh at the set he has now.

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