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Deoxys-S (Revamp) [QC 4/3] [GP 2/2]

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  1. Furai

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    [B][U]QC checks:[/U][/B] syrim, Donkey, Theorymon, Melee Mewtwo[B][4/3]
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    [Overview]

    <p>The fifth generation was definitely not kind to Pokemon's sovereign of speed. Newcomers with fantastic abilities&mdash;Prankster and Magic Bounce, the former used by Thundurus-I and Sabeleye, and the latter used by Xatu and Espeon&mdash;mess with the alien in its Speed forme. Additionally, BW brought Team Preview with it, drastically hindering Deoxys-S's main role as a lead, as your foe can simply change its lineup order to effectively counter Deoxys-S's attempts. Lack of offensive prowess also puts Deoxys-S in a disadvantage versus most of Ubers's threats. Yet, Deoxys-S still remains one of the best leads in the game. With a gigantic arsenal of support moves, such as Stealth Rock, Spikes, Magic Coat, Taunt, Reflect, and Light Screen, under its belt, Deoxys is a real team player. Its Speed stat is unmatched and allows it to outspeed Ubers's finest Choice Scarf users, Genesect and Palkia. Play carefully with or against Deoxys-S, as with every turn that goes by, another layer of entry hazards is set or another turn of a screen is wasted.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Hazard Lead
    move 1: Spikes / Stealth Rock
    move 2: Magic Coat / Stealth Rock
    move 3: Taunt
    move 4: Fire Punch
    item: Focus Sash
    nature: Jolly
    evs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Faster than the entire game, has access to two forms of entry hazards, can combat opposing entry hazard leads with Magic Coat and Taunt&mdash;what more can you ask for? Deoxys-S is the epitome of Pokemon's entry hazard leads, and because of that, this is what you'd call Deoxys-S's standard set. As Deoxys-S is faster than Genesect, a commonly seen Choice Scarf user, it can utilize Fire Punch to leave a huge dent in Genesect, as it only has 12.5% chance to survive. Taunt and Magic Coat are mainly to combat opposing entry hazard leads. However, both come with a bonus: Taunt stops setup boosters like Arceus and Rayquaza and Magic Coat can play mindgames with opposing Deoxys-S and cripple Prankster users, namely Tornadus, Thundurus, and Sableye. Spikes is a fantastic entry hazard that many teams appreciate, and allows many Pokemon to sweep effectively. Stealth Rock is another entry hazard Deoxys-S gets access to, however, it is less preferred as Stealth Rock is not a rare sight in many other Pokemon's movepools. Fire Punch is better than Hidden Power Fire, as it will do more damage to Excadrill, a common spinner.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>252 Attack EVs are used to score an OHKO on Genesect 87.5% of the time. 252 Speed EVs allow Deoxys-S be faster than every other Pokemon in the game, and Speed tie with opposing Deoxys-S if needed. The leftover 4 EVs are dropped into Defense to grant Genesect a Special Attack boost, which will allow Deoxys-S to tank U-turn better. Feel free to move the 252 EVs from Attack to HP to increase Deoxys-S's bulk, and it doing so, use Stealth Rock in Fire Punch's moveslot. Deoxys-S's bulk is often underestimated; With a little defensive investment, it can avoid the 2HKO from positive-natured Giratina-O's Shadow Sneak. To achieve this, Deoxys-S will need to use Impish nature with 252 HP and 148 Defense EVs and Leftovers as its item. If interested in special bulk as well, 252 HP and 92 SpD EVs will allow Deoxys-S to tank maximum invested neutral-natured Giratina-O's Draco Meteor without a Focus Sash. If you use a bulky spread and are interested in Stealth Rock, you should use it over one of the last two moves listed on the set.</p>

    <p>Rocky Helmet can be used as an item to defeat Custap Berry leads, mainly Forretress, and get pinch damage on physical attackers. However, this item is extremely situational and will often result in just a single layer of entry hazards instead of multiple. You can sacrifice a move from the ones listed above, but generally the others are more effective and make Deoxys-S harder to play the mindgames against. Leppa Berry, while also extremely situational, can be used to win PP wars against opposing Deoxys-S and other Magic Coat Pokemon, as it restores PP. Lastly, Mental Herb can be used to cure Taunt.</p>

    <p>ExtremeSpeed can be used to have a shot at preventing Forretress's Custap Berry activation, as Fire Punch damages it right into the activation range. ExtremeSpeed's new mechanics allow Deoxys-S to bypass Forretress's Custap Berry-influenced moves. Dark Pulse is a possibility to hit opposing Deoxys-S, Deoxys-A, and Mewtwo. It also hits Espeon and Xatu for a 2HKO, which think they can use their ability to take on Deoxys-S. Its flinch rate might also be useful, as Deoxys-S is the fastest Pokemon in the game. The combination of ExtremeSpeed and Dark Pulse can be used to take out opposing Deoxys-S and Deoxys-A leads as well. Superpower can nuke Tyranitar, Darkrai, and Dialga and get some damage on Arceus. Psycho Boost is Deoxys-S's strongest attack, and it can be utilized to leave dents in Groudon, Kyogre, and Rayquaza. Ice Beam can be used to hit Salamence, Rayquaza, and Groudon for some damage, but other than these targets it's fairly useless and weak. Hidden Power Fire can be used to hit Skarmory and Forretress harder, but as mentioned, Fire Punch is generally better as it comes with the bonus of hitting Excadrill. Skill Swap is another cool move to render switch-ins such as Xatu, Espeon, and Sableye useless, as they rely on their ability to defeat Deoxys-S. A moveset of one entry hazard and three attacks or two entry hazards and two attacks of the aforementioned ones can be used to have some coverage, but Deoxys-S will not be able to keep entry hazards off your side of the field.</p>

    <p>Priority users, such as Giratina-O, Rayquaza, and Arceus, are this set's biggest nightmare. They hit strong enough to 2HKO Deoxys-S, limiting it to only a single layer of hazards. Darkrai and Dialga can tear Giratina-O apart, Genesect can beat Rayquaza with Ice Beam, and Terrakion can beat Rayquaza and Arceus. Ghost Arceus is capable of beating all three while also spinblocking for Deoxys-S, but it will take severe damage, especially from Rayquaza. Tentacruel is a complete stop to this set as it can beat Deoxys-S with Scald and Rapid Spin away the precious hazards it has worked hard for. Earthquake Giratina-O can spinblock for Deoxys-S and 2HKO Tentacruel. While Groudon cannot spinblock, it is capable of OHKOing Tentacruel and laying down Stealth Rock. Giratina-O and Ghost Arceus excel as spinblockers in order to preserve Deoxys-S work, especially if it's not using a Fire-type move.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Dual Screens
    move 1: Reflect
    move 2: Light Screen
    move 3: Taunt
    move 4: Stealth Rock / Fire Punch
    item: Light Clay
    nature: Jolly
    evs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Like the previous set, Deoxys-S utilizes its gigantic Speed stat in order to aid teams, however, this set is meant to aid hyper offensive teams more than balanced teams. Hyper offensive teams use the pressure created by multiple setup sweepers in order to overwhelm the opponent's team with boosted attacks. Thus, the combination of Reflect and Light Screen is perfect for said teams. By halving the power of opponent's attacks for eight turns with Light Clay, Deoxys-S grants its teammates enough time to set up and pull off a sweep. Taunt is used to stop opposing setup sweepers like Rayquaza and Arceus. Stealth Rock is the most basic entry hazard and is necessary for offensive teams in order to break Focus Sash users and get pinch damage. Fire Punch can be used to severely damage Forretress and Genesect.</p>

    [ADITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The EVs with Jolly nature grant Deoxys-S as much bulk as possible and allow it to outspeed the entire game, both of which allow it to set up at least one screen. Focus Sash can be used to ensure the setup of both screens, however, if you use moves properly (set up the screen which halves the power of your opponent's moves), you will ensure Deoxys-S has enough time to set up both. Magic Coat can be used to beat opposing Taunt users, such as opposing Deoxys-S or Sableye, but hyper offensive teams appreciate the full stop of entry hazard or setup Pokemon more. Spikes is an option over Stealth Rock if you can find a member on your team to use it. However, most of the hyper offensive teams are fast-paced and don't have the time to set up Spikes. Moreover, Spikes takes away turns from dual screens.</p>

    <p>As mentioned before, setup sweepers pair best with this set. Arceus formes, Rayquaza, Terrakion, Groudon, Darkrai, Mewtwo, Omastar, Kabutops, Landorus-T, Zekrom, Bisharp, Cloyster, and Excadrill are all superb setup sweepers in the Ubers metagame that can wreak havoc once boosted. Gorebyss can use the screens to boost her subpar bulk in order to get a Shell Smash boost under her belt and pass it to some other sweeper.</p>

    [SET]
    name: TrickScarf
    move 1: Trick
    move 2: Spikes
    move 3: Taunt
    move 4: Fire Punch / Superpower
    item: Choice Scarf
    nature: Jolly
    evs: 252 HP / 148 Def / 100 SpD / 8 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Deoxys-S's Speed makes it viable as a Choice Scarf user. Yes, this is no joke. The same way you did not see this coming, your opponent will not as well! Thanks to its unparalleled Speed, when equipped with Choice Scarf, it is almost guaranteed that Deoxys-S will move first, allowing it to Trick away its Choice Scarf to an opposing lead, or, more importantly, an enemy setup sweeper. Trick helps Deoxys-S buy time to set up Spikes on a Choice-locked setup move, such as Rock Polish or Stealth Rock. Even without Tricking away its Choice Scarf, Deoxys-S can use the bulk it now has to just rapidly stack up Spikes. Taunt also helps in shutting the locked Pokemon down completely, forcing them to use Struggle. It also helps stop opposing entry hazard leads, such as Deoxys-S, Forretress, or Froslass. Fire Punch allows Deoxys-S to get damage on Genesect and other entry hazard Pokemon, such as Forretress and Ferrothorn. However, Superpower helps Deoxys-S get damage on Darkrai, Tyranitar, and Dialga, which can come in handy.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The EV spread might look a bit weird, but it has its purposes. 252 HP with 100 SpD EVs allows Deoxys-S to tank maximum invested Giratina-O's Draco Meteor and maximum invested neutral-natured Lustrous Orb Palkia's Hydro Pump out of rain, while maximum invested neutral-natured non-Life Orb Darkrai's Dark Pulse only has 12.5% chance to OHKO. Jolly nature and 8 Speed EVs allow Deoxys-S do some crazy stuff. With Choice Scarf still active, Deoxys-S will still outspeed +2 positive-natured Rayquaza and +3 neutral-natured Blaziken. Without Choice Scarf, it still outspeeds Choice Scarfed base 90s such as Kyogre and Dialga, +2 Beartic, and +2 Omastar.</p>

    <p>There are a couple of alternate moves you can use in the last slot. Ice Punch can be used to hit Rayquaza, Salamence, and many other Dragon-type Pokemon lurking in Ubers for super effective damage. Stealth Rock can be used to have another entry hazard on Deoxys-S, but due to Choice Scarf, dual entry hazards won't work properly.</p>

    <p>Some sort of entry hazard control is actually needed for this set. Deoxys-S might Trick its item onto an opponent that will use Spikes, and while it can effectively Taunt, a layer of entry hazards is already up. Moreover, if you choose to initiate a stack war, both sides will end with three layers of Spikes on their side. Excadrill is an amazing partner for this reason as it can also set up Stealth Rock. If choosing the Taunt route, Groudon and Dialga are excellent picks, as they can lay down Stealth Rock as well and eliminate opposing Spikers with Fire Punch and Fire Blast, respectively. A spinblocker is advised as well, so Giratina-O and Ghost Arceus make fine partners, as they can also make use of Deoxys-S's Spikes by shuffling or aiding for sweep, respectively. Once again, setup partners love entry hazards, so Arceus formes, Rayquaza, Mewtwo, and Darkrai are all excellent choices.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>An offensive set with Life Orb as its item consisting moves such as Psycho Boost, Ice Beam, Superpower, Grass Knot, Thunder, Dark Pulse, Hidden Power Fire, or Fire Punch can be used in order to make use of Deoxys-S's ridiculously high Speed stat, which allows it to outpace common threats such as Mewtwo, Darkrai, Rayquaza, and all Choice Scarf users up to base 100 Speed. Nasty Plot can be used to boost Deoxys-S's usable Special Attack, but it won't be able to find the time to boost and do enough damage. However, as mentioned before, Deoxys-S's offensive presence is lackluster, so you'd probably be better off using another attacker. Skill Swap can be used to catch Magic Bounce and Prankster users, such as Xatu, Espeon, and Sableye on the switch, making Deoxys-S's job much easier to do. Counter and Magic Coat help Deoxys-S use its mediocre bulk and lack of offensive prowess in order to eliminate certain targets or U-turn switches, but require a decent amount of prediction.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Due to Deoxys-S's lack of offensive presence, countering it pretty much means to not enable it from setting up multiple layers of entry hazards. Therefore, Xatu makes a phenomenal counter (as long as Deoxys-S doesn't have Skill Swap!); it doesn't take much from Fire Punch, has Roost to recover lost damage, and thanks to its Magic Bounce ability, it completely messes Deoxys-S up by bouncing Taunt or entry hazards back. Espeon also has Magic Bounce which can be very useful if you manage to evade Fire Punch, as lack of recovery and lackluster defenses means that the damage will stack and Espeon will no longer be able to do its job. Tentacruel is also a brilliant way to beat Deoxys-S. Thanks to its high Special Defense, it can easily shrug many Psycho Boosts, it resists Fire Punch, carries Rapid Spin, and if rain is up, it can gain lost health back quickly.</p>

    <p>Magic Bounce, however, is not the only new ability the fifth generation has brought. Prankster users now have priority for non-attacking moves, making Taunt usually go first. Thus, Tornadus-I, Thundurus-I, and Sableye are brilliant ways to attempt to block Deoxys-S's attempts. Be wary though, Deoxys-S can use Magic Coat to bounce back Taunt, throwing your attempts to waste. Another extremely effective way to limit Deoxys-S's setup turns is by utilizing priority. Giratina-O's Shadow Sneak is a guaranteed 2HKO, whereas Deoxys-S cannot do much in return. ExtremeSpeed Rayquaza or Arceus formes are also effective, as thanks to the Fire-type resistance or high bulk, Deoxys-S won't do much in return. Scizor does not like Fire Punch but Deoxys-S does not OHKO 200 HP variants, whereas they 2HKO with Bullet Punch. All of the aforementioned priority users are also capable of finishing off a weakened Deoxys-S.</p>

    <p>Dedicated anti-leads like Froslass, Deoxys-A, and Cloyster are capable of limiting Deoxys-S to a single layer of entry hazards. Tyranitar, while not liking Superpower, brings Deoxys-S down to its Focus Sash with its STAB Crunch, and thanks to its Sand Stream ability, sandstorm damage finishes Deoxys-S off. A Magic Coat coming from Pokemon such as Arceus, Giratina-O, Latias, Latios, and Mewtwo can surprise Deoxys-S and bounce back its moves. Opposing Deoxys formes can also run Magic Coat, engaging a mindgame each turn. Deoxys-S's high base Speed means that if you want to revenge kill it with a Choice Scarf user, you can't just use any ordinary one. Common users of Choice Scarf such as Salamence, Palkia, and Genesect are outsped. For a Choice Scarf Pokemon to outspeed Deoxys-S, it must have a Speed stat of more than 337. This means that Terrakion, Mewtwo, Shaymin-S, and Darkrai all outspeed Deoxys-S with a Choice Scarf equipped.</p>
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  2. Rhys DeAnno

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    Tentacruel screws it up pretty bad. Deo-S has to taunt it if it doesn't want T-Spikes set up, but Tenta can Scald and fish for burns, and if Deo-S tries to get more than one layer of hazards Tenta will spin them. Even worse if you Taunt and get Scald burnt Turn 1, you have pretty much lost since Tenta will spin in your face and wait for you to die or switch out.

    You can hurt it bad with Psycho Boost but max/max+ Tenta will not be 2HKOed (even without Protecting) by the 0 SPA Deoxys-S here (maybe Psycho Boost should run SpA? Dunno.), and while you're doing that it's Scalding you or if you're more unlucky it risked setting up T-Spikes.

    The whole thing is generally a mess of predictions but it's severely rigged in Tenta's favor, when I lead a Tenta against a Deo-S I very rarely end up losing, usually I win decisively or at worst it's sort of a draw.
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    HP Fire is bad, brings custap forry into custap range
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    I think you should make SR a slash, as it can be really good to run sr on another pokemon like groudon or dialga to reliably get more layers up. Fire punch is pretty much always better than hp fire not just for cutsap but for excadrill as well.

    Mention that if you choose to not run a fire move you need a blocker that can reliably come into the spinners at least twice, and regardless of move choice you need a way to threaten tentacruel, as even if you run psycho boost it will either scald you down or get a layer of tspikes, and that is a guessing war regardless.

    You also need a way to beat priority, mention extreme speed deo-a and gira-o in particular, as both of them are hard to guess against.

    qc approved
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    Explain why Fire Punch is used over Hidden Power Fire (without Rocky Helmet). Fire Punch is better for Excadrill, and will only do significantly less to Forretress in rain. Rocky Helmet is generally an inferior item since without sash you are not guaranteed one hazard. On sets that bring Forretress into custap range, mention Extremespeed as a necessity to check custap.

    Leppa Berry + Magic Coat on either the bulky or regular set is probably also worth a mention. In stall wars vs opposing Deo-S you are guaranteed to win. It is very situational so I'm not sure what the QC policy is on that.

    I agree with Syrim and also think SR should be a slash since Deoxys-S suffers from 4 move syndrome.

    QC Approved 2/3
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    On the First set, mention the option of running both Stealth Rock and Spikes (maybe even slash in Stealth Rock with Magic Coat). You lose versatility vs other Deo-S, but it can be a nice bonus for offensive teams that can't afford to run another Spiker, even if it isn't super reliable.

    Also, slash in Spikes on the Dual Screener. With the advent of team preview, sometimes, there are situations wher Deo-S not being the first screener is fine. You should say that Stealth Rock is usually the better option because Deo-S usually doesn't have time for multiple layers of Spikes, but it can be handy on teams that already have a Stealth Rocker.

    Otherwise, looks good to me! QC Approved 3/3

    Also, god damn I waited too long to approve this >_>
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    Since you're using Fire Punch as the preferred move on the first and second sets, change the EVs to 252 Atk please. I've told you multiple times.
  8. Furai

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    last QC please


    im so glad i got rid of this
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    melee qced over irc, please GP!
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    Is that all ExtremeSpeed does? After Deoxys-S sets up Stealth Rock, ExtremeSpeed also allows Deoxys-S to break Deoxys-A's sash before Deoxys-A 2HKOs it with the combination of Dark Pulse + ExtremeSpeed. If Deoxys-S does not have ExtremeSpeed, it only sets up Stealth Rock and then gets KO'd while Deoxys-A keeps its Focus Sash intact. Wasn't this the main reason Deoxys-S used ExtremeSpeed in Gen 4? Why isn't this mentioned?

    It also 2HKOs Xatu and Espeon that try to block its hazards.

    Also, Superpower hits Arceus-Normal hard enough (to the point where a revenge killer can KO it after Deoxys-S faints)... just saying.

    EDIT: Forgot to mention: Trick is very effective against Arceus-Normal which try to anti-lead, especially the ones which use Swords Dance as Deoxys-S uses Trick. (lel and then they ragequit)
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    implemented thanks

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    I guess it's worth mentioning that it leaves a dent in another common counterlead to you, Tentacruel. Idk if it 2HKOs after protect or so but it just is better than just sitting there doing nothing.

    252 SpA Deoxys-S Psycho Boost vs. 252 HP / 224+ SpD Tentacruel: 240-284 (65.93 - 78.02%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
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    doesn't 2hko with rain dish, unfortunately. switching to tina-o is much preferred
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    No rain is up on round one when Tenta will counterlead you but yeah, I see where you are getting at.
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    kyogre lead -> tenta switch on sr -> rain dish brings you to full health -> stage 0
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    I love Suicide Lead Deoxys.

    One thing I've got to work rather well for me is Counter with the 4 EVs invested into Spdef. Sounds weird at first, but it deals with most of Deoxys' counters. The Counter will kill something after Genesect U-Turns on it, and then you can get your rocks up without being down a pokemon. It also gets Forretress off your grill after it Gyro Balls, so you can stop the opponent's hazards and spinning period and safely set up a hazard.

    I've also had people lead with E Killers to try and get an early game sweep. If they do the routine SD Extremespeed play, you can OHKO them. It does have issues when they go straight for E Speed though. Probably better to switch in to a Tina, but the option is there anyway.
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    not so sure about the genesect / forretress part. genesect usually switches out to giratina-o which is immune to counter and then can just shadow sneak you, leaving you with no hazards. forretress has sturdy and with priority gyro ball it can work. you'd need extremespeed for that. might work against ekiller but still rather iffy. i'd OO both coutner and magic coat. thanks!
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    [Overview]

    <p>The fifth generation was definitely not kind to Pokemon's sovereign of speed. Newcomers with fantastic abilities&mdash;Prankster and Magic Bounce, such asthe former used by Thundurus-I, and Sabeleye, and the latter used by Xatu, and Espeon&mdash;mess with the alien in its speed forme. Additionally, BW brought Team Preview with it, drastically hindering Deoxys-S's main role as a lead, as your foe can simply change its line-up order to effectively counter Deoxys-S's attempts. Lack of offensive prowess also puts Deoxys-S in a disadvantage versus most of Ubers's threats. Yet, Deoxys-S still remains one of the best leads in the game. With a gigantic arsenal of support moves under its belt, consisting moves like,(AC) such as Stealth Rock, Spikes, Magic Coat, Taunt, Reflect, and Light Screen, under its belt,(AC) Deoxys is a real team player. Its Speed stat is unmatched and allows it to outspeed Ubers's finest Choice Scarf users, namely Genesect and Palkia. Play carefully with or against Deoxys-S, as with every turns that goes by, another layer of entry hazards is set or another turn of a screen is wasted.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Hazard Lead
    move 1: Spikes / Stealth Rock
    move 2: Magic Coat / Stealth Rock
    move 3: Taunt
    move 4: Fire Punch
    item: Focus Sash
    nature: Jolly
    evs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Faster than the entire game, has access to two forms of entry hazards, can combat opposing hazard leads with Magic Coat and Taunt&mdash;what more can you ask for? Deoxys-S is the epitome of Pokemon's hazard leads, and because of that, this is what you'd call Deoxys-S's standard set. As Deoxys-S is faster than Genesect, thea commonly useden Choice Scarf user, it can utilize Fire Punch to leave a huge dent in it, as Genesect, as it only has 12.5% chance to survive. Fire Punch is also better than Hidden Power Fire, as it will do more damage to Excadrill, a common spinner (As Fire Punch is used in the last moveslot, move its explanation to the bottom of the paragraph). Taunt and Magic Coat are mainly to combat opposing hazard leads. However, both come with a bonus: Taunt stops setup boosters likesuch as Arceus and Rayquaza and Magic Coat can play mindgames with opposing Deoxys-S and cripple Prankster users, namely Tornadus, Thundurus, and Sableye. Spikes is a fantastic entry hazard that many teams appreciate, and allows many Pokemon to sweep effectively. Stealth Rock is another form of an entry hazard Deoxys-S gets access to, however,(AC) it is less preferred as Stealth Rock is not a rare sight in many other Pokemon's movepools. You can sacrifice a move from the ones listed above, but usually the others are more effective and make Deoxys-S harder to mindgame against. This sentence is kind of confusing and doesn't belong in SC, reword (I'd do it for you, but quite frankly, I'm not too sure of what you're trying to say ;/), then move to AC please.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>As said, 252 Attack EVs are used to score an OHKO on Genesect 87.5% of the time. 252 Speed EVs allow Deoxys-S be faster than every other Pokemon in the game, and speed tie with opposing Deoxys-S if needed. The leftover 4 EVs are dropped into Defense to grant Genesect a Special Attack boost, which will allow Deoxys-S to tank U-turn better. Feel free to usmove the 252 HP instead ofEVs from Attack to HP to increase Deoxys-S's bulk, but you then replaceand it doing so, use Stealth Rock in Fire Punch for Stealth Rock's moveslot. Deoxys-S's bulk is often underestimated.;(semi) With a fewlittle defensive investments, it can avoid the 2HKO from positive-natured Giratina-O's Shadow Sneak. To achieve this,(AC) Deoxys-S will need to use Impish nature with 252 HP and 148 Defense EVs and Leftovers as its item. If interested in special bulk as well, 252 HP and 92 SpD EVs will allow Deoxys-S to tank 252 SpAmaximum invested neutral-natured Giratina-O's Draco Meteor without Focus Sash. If you use a bulky spread and are interested in Stealth Rock, you should use it over one of the lastter two moves listed aboveon the set.</p>

    <p>Rocky Helmet can be used as an item to defeat Custap Berry leads, mainly Forretresss, and get a pinch damage on physical attackers. However, this item is extremely situational and will often result in a single layer of entry hazards instead of multiple. Leppa Berry, while also extremely situational, the PP restore berry, can be used to win PP wars against opposing Deoxys-S and other Magic Coat Pokemon, as it restores PP. Lastly, Mental Herb can be used to cure Taunt.</p>

    <p>ExtremeSpeed can be used to have a shot at preventing Forretress's Custap Berry activation, as Fire Punch damages it right into the activation range. ExtremeSpeed's new mechanics allow Deoxys-S bypass Forretress's Custap Berry influenced moves. Dark Pulse is a possibility to hit opposing Deoxys-S, Deoxys-A, and Mewtwo. It also hits Espeon and Xatu for a 2HKO, who think they can use their ability to take on Deoxys-S. Its flinch rate might also be useful on, as Deoxys-S is the fastest Pokemon in the game. The combination of ExtremeSpeed and Dark Pulse can be used to take out opposing Deoxys-S and Deoxys-A leads as well. Superpower can help you nuke Tyranitar, Darkrai, and Dialga and get some damage on Arceus. Psycho Boost is Deoxys-S's strongest attack, and it can be utilized to leave dents in Groudon, Kyogre, and Rayquaza. Ice Beam can be used to hit Salamence, Rayquaza, and Groudon for some damage, but other than these targets it's fairly useless and weak. Hidden Power Fire can be used to hit Skarmory and Forretress harder, but as mentioned, Fire Punch is generally better as it comes with the bonus of hitting Excadrill. Skill Swap is another cool move to catch off guarender switch(space)ins likesuch as Xatu, Espeon, and Sableye useless, as thatey rely on their ability to defeat Deoxys-S and render them useless for the time being. A moveset of one entry hazard and three attacks or two entry hazards and two attacks of the abovforementioned ones can be used to have some coverage, but Deoxys-S will not be able to keep hazards off your side of the battlegrounfield.</p>

    <p>Priority users, such as Giratina-O, Rayquaza, and Arceus, are this set's biggest nightmare. They hit strong enough to 2HKO Deoxys-S, limiting it to only a single layer onlyf hazards. Darkrai and Dialga can tear Giratina-O apart, Genesect can beat Rayquaza with Ice Beam, and Terrakion can beat Rayquaza and Arceus. Ghost Arceus is capable of beating all three while also spinblocking for Deoxys-S, but it will take severe damage, especially from Rayquaza. Tentacruel is a complete stop to this set as it can beat Deoxys-S with Scald and sRapid Spin away the precious hazards it has worked hard for. Earthquake Giratina-O can spinblock for Deoxys-S and 2HKO Tentacruel. While Groudon, while cannot spinblock, it is capable of OHKOing Tentacruel and laying down Stealth Rock. Giratina-O and Ghost Arceus excel as spinblockers in order to preserve Deoxys-S work, especially if it's not using a Fire-type move.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Dual Screens
    move 1: Reflect
    move 2: Light Screen
    move 3: Taunt
    move 4: Stealth Rock / Fire Punch
    item: Light Clay
    nature: Jolly
    evs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Once againLike the previous set, Deoxys-S utilizes its gigantic Speed stat in order to aid teams, however, this set is me,ant to aid hyper offensive teams. This archet instead of balanced teams. Hyper of afensive teams uses the pressure created by multiple setup sweepers in order to overwhelm the opponent's team with boosted attacks (The rewording was necessary as the sentences were inadequate grammar-wise, but if my rewording doesn't match your thought/style of writing, then feel free to reword it to your liking). Thus, the combination of Reflect and Light Screen is perfect for thosesaid teams. By halving the power of opponent attacks for 8eight turns with Light Clay, Deoxys-S grants its teammates enough time to set(space)up and pull off a sweep. Taunt is used to stop opposing setup sweepers likesuch as Rayquaza orand Arceus. Stealth Rock is the most basic entry hazard and it is neccessary for offensive teams in order to break Focus Sash users and get pinch damage. Fire Punch can be used to severely damage Forretress and Genesect.</p>

    [ADITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The EVs with Jolly nature grant Deoxys-S as much bulk as possible and allow it to outspeed the entire game, both of which allow it to set(space)up at least one screen. Focus Sash can be used to ensure the setup of both screens, however,(AC) if you use them properly (set up the screen which halves the power of your opponent's moves), you will ensure Deoxys-S has enough time to set(space)up both. Magic Coat can be used to beat opposing Taunt users, such as opposing Deoxys-S or Sableye, but hyper offensive teams appreciate the full stop of entry hazard or setup Pokemon more. Spikes is an option over Stealth Rock if you can find a member on your team to use it. However, most of the hyper offensive teams are fast-paced and don't have the time to set(space)up Spikes. Moreover, Spikes takes away turns from dual screens' uptime!.(AP)</p>

    <p>As saidmentioned before, setup sweepers pair best with this set. Arceus formes, Rayquaza, Terrakion, Groudon, Darkrai, Mewtwo, Omastar, Kabutops, Landorus-T, Zekrom, Bisharp, Cloyster, and Excadrill are all superb setup sweepers in the Ubers metagame that can wreak havoc once setupboosted. Gorebyss can use the screens to boost her subpar bulk in order to get a Shell Smash boost under her belt and pass it to some other sweeper.</p> ("Set up" is used as a verb, while "setup" is used as a pronoun)

    [SET]
    name: TrickScarf
    move 1: Trick
    move 2: Spikes
    move 3: Taunt
    move 4: Fire Punch / Superpower
    item: Choice Scarf
    nature: Jolly
    evs: 252 HP / 148 Def / 100 SpD / 8 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Deoxys-S's Speed makes it viable as a Choice Scarf user. Yes, this is no joke. The same way you did not see this coming, your opponent will not as well! Thanks to its unparalleled Speed, when equipped with Choice Scarf, it is almost guaranteed ithat Deoxys-S will move first, allowing it to Trick away its Choice Scarf to an opposing lead, or, more importantly, an enemy setup sweeper. Trick helps Deoxys-S buy time to set(space)up Spikes on a cChoice-locked setup move, such as Rock Polish or Stealth Rock. Even without Tricking away its sChoice Scarf, Deoxys-S can use the bulk it now has to just rapidly stack up Spikes. Taunt also helps in shutting the locked Pokemon down completely, forcing them to use Struggle. It also helps stopping opposing entry hazard leads, such as Deoxys-S, Forretress, or Froslass. Fire Punch allows Deoxys-S to get damage on Genesect and other hazard Pokemon, such as Forretress orand Ferrothorn. However, Superpower helps Deoxys-S get damage Darkrai, Tyranitar, and Dialga, which can come in handy.< Counter and Magic Coat help Deoxys-S use it'(RA)s mediocre bulk and lack of offensive prowess in order to eliminate certain targets or U-turn switches.> (The sentence enclosed in "<>" should be in AC, as it mentioned an altrnate move choice.)</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The EV spread might look a bit weird, but it has its purposes. 252 HP with 100 SpD EVs allows Deoxys-S to tank 252+ SpAmaximum invested Giratina-O's Draco Meteor, 252 SpAmaximum invested neutral-natured Lustrous Orb Palkia's Hydro Pump out of rain, and 252 SpAmaximum invested neutral-natured non-Life Orb Darkrai's Dark Pulse only has 12.5% chance to OHKO. Jolly nature and 8 Speed EVs allow Deoxys-S do some crazy stuff. With Choice Scarf still active, Deoxys-S will still outspeed +2 positive-(hyphen)natured Rayquaza and +3 neutral-(hyphen)natured Blaziken. Without Choice Scarf, it still outspeeds Choice Scarf base 90s such as Kyogre and Dialga, +2 Beartic, and +2 Omastar.</p>

    <p>For the last slot there are oThere are a couple of alternate moves you can use in ther options last slot. Ice Punch can be used to hit Rayquaza, Salamence, and many other Dragon-type Pokemon lurking in Ubers for super-(remove hyphen)effective damage. Stealth Rock can be used to have allnother hazards on a single PokemonDeoxys-S, but due to Choice Scarf, dual hazards won't work properly.</p>

    <p>Some sort of hazard control is actually needed for this set. Deoxys-S might Trick its item ionto an opponent that will use Spikes, and while it can effectively Taunt, a layer of hazards is already up. Moreover, if you choose to initiate a stack war, both sides will end with three layers of Spikes on their side. Excadrill is an amazing parntner for this reason as it can also set(space)up Stealth Rock. If choosing the Taunt route, Groudon and Dialga are excellent picks, as they can lay down Stealth Rock as well and eliminate opposing Spikers with Fire Punch and Fire Blast, respectively. A spinblocker is advicsed as well, so Giratina-O and Ghost Arceus make fine partners, as they can also make use of Deoxys-S's Spikes by shuffling or aiding for sweep, respectively. Once again, setup partners love entry hazards, so Arceus formes, Rayquaza, Mewtwo, and Darkrai are all excellent choices.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>An offensive set with Life Orb as its item consisting moves likesuch as Psycho Boost, Ice Beam, Superpower, Grass Knot, Thunder, Dark Pulse, Hidden Power Fire, or Fire Punch can be used in order to make use of Deoxys-S's ridiculously high Speed stat, which allows it to outspace common threats such as Mewtwo, Darkrai, Rayquaza, and all Choice Scarf users up to base 100 Speed base stat. Nasty Plot can be used to boost Deoxys-S's usable Special Attack, but it won't be able to find the time to boost and do enough damage. However, as mentioned before, Deoxys-S's offensive presence is lackluster, so you'd probably be better off using another attacker. Skill Swap can be used to catch Magic Bounce and Prankster users on the switch, such as Xatu, Espeon, and Sableye on the switch, making Deoxys-S's job much easier to do.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Due to Deoxys-S's lack of offensive presence, by countering it you pretty much wantmeans to not enable it from setting up multiple layers of entry hazards. Therefore, Xatu makes a phenomenal counter:;(semi) it doesn't take much from Fire Punch, has Roost to recover lost damage, and thanks to its Magic Bounce ability,(AC) it completely messes Deoxys-S up by bouncing Taunt or entry hazards back. Espeon also has Magic Bounce which can be very useful if you manage to evade Fire Punch, as lack of recovery and lackluster defenses means that the damage will stack and Espeon will no longer be able to do its job. Tentacruel is also a brilliant way to beat Deoxys-S. Thanks to its high base Special Defense,(AC) it can easily shrug many Psycho Boosts, it resists Fire Punch, carries Rapid Spin, and if rain is up,(AC) it can gain lost health back quickly.</p>

    <p>Magic Bounce, however, is not the only new ability the fifth generation has brought. Prankster users now have priority for non-attacking moves, making Taunt usually go first. Thus, Tornadus-I, Thundurus-I, and Sableye are brilliant ways to attempt to block Deoxys-S's attempts. Be way thowever, that itugh, Deoxys-S can use Magic Coat to bounce back Taunt, throwing your attempts to waste. Another extremely effective way to limit Deoxys-S's setup turns is by utilizing priority. Giratina-O's Shadow Sneak is a guaranteed 2HKO, whereas Deoxys-S cannot do much in return. ExtremeSpeed Rayquaza or Arceus formes are also effective, as thanks to the Fire-type resistance or high bulk respectively, Deoxys-S won't do much in return. Scizor does not like Fire Punch but it does not OHKO 200 HP ones, whereas they 2HKO with Bullet Punch. All of the aforementioned priority users are also capable of finishing weakened Deoxys-S.</p>

    <p>Dedicated anti-leads likesuch as Froslass, Deoxys-A, orand Cloyster are capable of limiting Deoxys-S to a single layer of hazards. Tyranitar, while not liking Superpower, brings Deoxys-S down to its Focus Sash with its STAB Crunch, and thanks to its Sand Stream ability, sandstorm damage finishes Deoxys-S off. A Magic Coat coming from Pokemon such as Arceus, Giratina-O, Latias, Latios, and Mewtwo can surprise Deoxys-S and bounce back its moves. Opposing Deoxys formes can also run Magic Coat, engaging a mindgame each turn. Deoxys-S's high base Speed stat means that if you want to revenge kill it with a Choice Scarf user, you can't just use any ordinary one. Common users of Choice Scarf such as Salamence, Palkia, and Genesect are outsped. For a Choice Scarf Pokemon to outspeed Deoxys-S,(AC) it must have a Speed stat of more than 337, including.. This means that Terrakion, Mewtwo, Shaymin-S, and Darkrai all outspeed Deoxys-S with a Choice Scarf equipped.</p>

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    implemented, thanks! i didn't accept some of the like/such as changes as like can also be used same way such as is, but much more generally. i'd post the source but i can't find honko's post

    @Oglemi pls post that here and gp maybe??
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    such as is for specific examples

    like is for general examples with the assumption that there are more examples of the same kind than listed

    also nevar for you furry >:|
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    [Overview]

    <p>The fifth generation was definitely not kind to Pokemon's sovereign of speed. Newcomers with fantastic abilities&mdash;Prankster and Magic Bounce, the former used by Thundurus-I and Sabeleye, and the latter used by Xatu and Espeon&mdash;mess with the alien in its Speed forme. Additionally, BW brought Team Preview with it, drastically hindering Deoxys-S's main role as a lead, as your foe can simply change its lineup order to effectively counter Deoxys-S's attempts. Lack of offensive prowess also puts Deoxys-S in a disadvantage versus most of Ubers's threats. Yet, Deoxys-S still remains one of the best leads in the game. With a gigantic arsenal of support moves, such as Stealth Rock, Spikes, Magic Coat, Taunt, Reflect, and Light Screen, under its belt, Deoxys is a real team player. Its Speed stat is unmatched and allows it to outspeed Ubers's finest Choice Scarf users, namely Genesect and Palkia. Play carefully with or against Deoxys-S, as with every turns that goes by, another layer of entry hazards is set or another turn of a screen is wasted.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Hazard Lead
    move 1: Spikes / Stealth Rock
    move 2: Magic Coat / Stealth Rock
    move 3: Taunt
    move 4: Fire Punch
    item: Focus Sash
    nature: Jolly
    evs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Faster than the entire game, has access to two forms of entry hazards, can combat opposing entry hazard leads with Magic Coat and Taunt&mdash;what more can you ask for? Deoxys-S is the epitome of Pokemon's entry hazard leads, and because of that, this is what you'd call Deoxys-S's standard set. As Deoxys-S is faster than Genesect, a commonly seen Choice Scarf user, it can utilize Fire Punch to leave a huge dent in Genesect, as it only has 12.5% chance to survive. Taunt and Magic Coat are mainly to combat opposing entry hazard leads. However, both come with a bonus: Taunt stops setup boosters like Arceus and Rayquaza and Magic Coat can play mindgames with opposing Deoxys-S and cripple Prankster users, namely Tornadus, Thundurus, and Sableye. Spikes is a fantastic entry hazard that many teams appreciate, and allows many Pokemon to sweep effectively. Stealth Rock is another entry hazard Deoxys-S gets access to, however, it is less preferred as Stealth Rock is not a rare sight in many other Pokemon's movepools. Fire Punch is better than Hidden Power Fire, as it will do more damage to Excadrill, a common spinner.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>252 Attack EVs are used to score an OHKO on Genesect 87.5% of the time. 252 Speed EVs allow Deoxys-S be faster than every other Pokemon in the game, and Speed tie with opposing Deoxys-S if needed. The leftover 4 EVs are dropped into Defense to grant Genesect a Special Attack boost, which will allow Deoxys-S to tank U-turn better. Feel free to move the 252 EVs from Attack to HP to increase Deoxys-S's bulk, and it doing so, use Stealth Rock in Fire Punch's moveslot. Deoxys-S's bulk is often underestimated; With a little defensive investment, it can avoid the 2HKO from positive-natured Giratina-O's Shadow Sneak. To achieve this, Deoxys-S will need to use Impish nature with 252 HP and 148 Defense EVs and Leftovers as its item. If interested in special bulk as well, 252 HP and 92 SpD EVs will allow Deoxys-S to tank maximum invested neutral-natured Giratina-O's Draco Meteor without a Focus Sash. If you use a bulky spread and are interested in Stealth Rock, you should use it over one of the last two moves listed on the set.</p>

    <p>Rocky Helmet can be used as an item to defeat Custap Berry leads, mainly Forretress, and get pinch damage on physical attackers. However, this item is extremely situational and will often result in just a single layer of entry hazards instead of multiple. You can sacrifice a move from the ones listed above, but generally the others are more effective and make Deoxys-S harder to play the mindgames against. Leppa Berry, while also extremely situational, can be used to win PP wars against opposing Deoxys-S and other Magic Coat Pokemon, as it restores PP. Lastly, Mental Herb can be used to cure Taunt.</p>

    <p>ExtremeSpeed can be used to have a shot at preventing Forretress's Custap Berry activation, as Fire Punch damages it right into the activation range. ExtremeSpeed's new mechanics allow Deoxys-S to bypass Forretress's Custap Berry-influenced moves. Dark Pulse is a possibility to hit opposing Deoxys-S, Deoxys-A, and Mewtwo. It also hits Espeon and Xatu for a 2HKO, who which think they can use their ability to take on Deoxys-S. Its flinch rate might also be useful, as Deoxys-S is the fastest Pokemon in the game. The combination of ExtremeSpeed and Dark Pulse can be used to take out opposing Deoxys-S and Deoxys-A leads as well. Superpower can nuke Tyranitar, Darkrai, and Dialga and get some damage on Arceus. Psycho Boost is Deoxys-S's strongest attack, and it can be utilized to leave dents in Groudon, Kyogre, and Rayquaza. Ice Beam can be used to hit Salamence, Rayquaza, and Groudon for some damage, but other than these targets it's fairly useless and weak. Hidden Power Fire can be used to hit Skarmory and Forretress harder, but as mentioned, Fire Punch is generally better as it comes with the bonus of hitting Excadrill. Skill Swap is another cool move to render switch-ins such as Xatu, Espeon, and Sableye useless, as they rely on their ability to defeat Deoxys-S. A moveset of one entry hazard and three attacks or two entry hazards and two attacks of the aforementioned ones can be used to have some coverage, but Deoxys-S will not be able to keep entry hazards off your side of the field.</p>

    <p>Priority users, such as Giratina-O, Rayquaza, and Arceus, are this set's biggest nightmare. They hit strong enough to 2HKO Deoxys-S, limiting it to only a single layer of hazards. Darkrai and Dialga can tear Giratina-O apart, Genesect can beat Rayquaza with Ice Beam, and Terrakion can beat Rayquaza and Arceus. Ghost Arceus is capable of beating all three while also spinblocking for Deoxys-S, but it will take severe damage, especially from Rayquaza. Tentacruel is a complete stop to this set as it can beat Deoxys-S with Scald and Rapid Spin away the precious hazards it has worked hard for. Earthquake Giratina-O can spinblock for Deoxys-S and 2HKO Tentacruel. While Groudon cannot spinblock, it is capable of OHKOing Tentacruel and laying down Stealth Rock. Giratina-O and Ghost Arceus excel as spinblockers in order to preserve Deoxys-S work, especially if it's not using a Fire-type move.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Dual Screens
    move 1: Reflect
    move 2: Light Screen
    move 3: Taunt
    move 4: Stealth Rock / Fire Punch
    item: Light Clay
    nature: Jolly
    evs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Like the previous set, Deoxys-S utilizes its gigantic Speed stat in order to aid teams, however, this set is meant to aid hyper offensive teams more than balanced teams. Hyper offensive teams use the pressure created by multiple setup sweepers in order to overwhelm the opponent's team with boosted attacks. Thus, the combination of Reflect and Light Screen is perfect for said teams. By halving the power of opponent's attacks for eight turns with Light Clay, Deoxys-S grants its teammates enough time to set up and pull off a sweep. Taunt is used to stop opposing setup sweepers like Rayquaza and Arceus. Stealth Rock is the most basic entry hazard and is necessary for offensive teams in order to break Focus Sash users and get pinch damage. Fire Punch can be used to severely damage Forretress and Genesect.</p>

    [ADITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The EVs with Jolly nature grant Deoxys-S as much bulk as possible and allow it to outspeed the entire game, both of which allow it to set up at least one screen. Focus Sash can be used to ensure the setup of both screens, however, if you use them moves properly (set up the screen which halves the power of your opponent's moves), you will ensure Deoxys-S has enough time to set up both. Magic Coat can be used to beat opposing Taunt users, such as opposing Deoxys-S or Sableye, but hyper offensive teams appreciate the full stop of entry hazard or setup Pokemon more. Spikes is an option over Stealth Rock if you can find a member on your team to use it. However, most of the hyper offensive teams are fast-paced and don't have the time to set up Spikes. Moreover, Spikes takes away turns from dual screens.</p>

    <p>As mentioned before, setup sweepers pair best with this set. Arceus formes, Rayquaza, Terrakion, Groudon, Darkrai, Mewtwo, Omastar, Kabutops, Landorus-T, Zekrom, Bisharp, Cloyster, and Excadrill are all superb setup sweepers in the Ubers metagame that can wreak havoc once boosted. Gorebyss can use the screens to boost her subpar bulk in order to get a Shell Smash boost under her belt and pass it to some other sweeper.</p>

    [SET]
    name: TrickScarf
    move 1: Trick
    move 2: Spikes
    move 3: Taunt
    move 4: Fire Punch / Superpower
    item: Choice Scarf
    nature: Jolly
    evs: 252 HP / 148 Def / 100 SpD / 8 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Deoxys-S's Speed makes it viable as a Choice Scarf user. Yes, this is no joke. The same way you did not see this coming, your opponent will not as well! Thanks to its unparalleled Speed, when equipped with Choice Scarf, it is almost guaranteed that Deoxys-S will move first, allowing it to Trick away its Choice Scarf to an opposing lead, or, more importantly, an enemy setup sweeper. Trick helps Deoxys-S buy time to set up Spikes on a Choice-locked setup move, such as Rock Polish or Stealth Rock. Even without Tricking away its Choice Scarf, Deoxys-S can use the bulk it now has to just rapidly stack up Spikes. Taunt also helps in shutting the locked Pokemon down completely, forcing them to use Struggle. It also helps stop opposing entry hazard leads, such as Deoxys-S, Forretress, or Froslass. Fire Punch allows Deoxys-S to get damage on Genesect and other entry hazard Pokemon, such as Forretress and Ferrothorn. However, Superpower helps Deoxys-S get damage on Darkrai, Tyranitar, and Dialga, which can come in handy.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The EV spread might look a bit weird, but it has its purposes. 252 HP with 100 SpD EVs allows Deoxys-S to tank maximum invested Giratina-O's Draco Meteor, (RC) and maximum invested neutral-natured Lustrous Orb Palkia's Hydro Pump out of rain, and while maximum invested neutral-natured non-Life Orb Darkrai's Dark Pulse only has 12.5% chance to OHKO. Jolly nature and 8 Speed EVs allow Deoxys-S do some crazy stuff. With Choice Scarf still active, Deoxys-S will still outspeed +2 positive-natured Rayquaza and +3 neutral-natured Blaziken. Without Choice Scarf, it still outspeeds Choice Scarfed base 90s such as Kyogre and Dialga, +2 Beartic, and +2 Omastar.</p>

    <p>There are a couple of alternate moves you can use in the last slot. Ice Punch can be used to hit Rayquaza, Salamence, and many other Dragon-type Pokemon lurking in Ubers for super effective damage. Stealth Rock can be used to have another entry hazard on Deoxys-S, but due to Choice Scarf, dual entry hazards won't work properly.</p>

    <p>Some sort of entry hazard control is actually needed for this set. Deoxys-S might Trick its item onto an opponent that will use Spikes, and while it can effectively Taunt, a layer of entry hazards is already up. Moreover, if you choose to initiate a stack war, both sides will end with three layers of Spikes on their side. Excadrill is an amazing partner for this reason as it can also set up Stealth Rock. If choosing the Taunt route, Groudon and Dialga are excellent picks, as they can lay down Stealth Rock as well and eliminate opposing Spikers with Fire Punch and Fire Blast, respectively. A spinblocker is advised as well, so Giratina-O and Ghost Arceus make fine partners, as they can also make use of Deoxys-S's Spikes by shuffling or aiding for sweep, respectively. Once again, setup partners love entry hazards, so Arceus formes, Rayquaza, Mewtwo, and Darkrai are all excellent choices.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>An offensive set with Life Orb as its item consisting moves such as Psycho Boost, Ice Beam, Superpower, Grass Knot, Thunder, Dark Pulse, Hidden Power Fire, or Fire Punch can be used in order to make use of Deoxys-S's ridiculously high Speed stat, which allows it to outpace common threats such as Mewtwo, Darkrai, Rayquaza, and all Choice Scarf users up to base 100 Speed. Nasty Plot can be used to boost Deoxys-S's usable Special Attack, but it won't be able to find the time to boost and do enough damage. However, as mentioned before, Deoxys-S's offensive presence is lackluster, so you'd probably be better off using another attacker. Skill Swap can be used to catch Magic Bounce and Prankster users, such as Xatu, Espeon, and Sableye on the switch, making Deoxys-S's job much easier to do. Counter and Magic Coat help Deoxys-S use its mediocre bulk and lack of offensive prowess in order to eliminate certain targets or U-turn switches, but require a decent amount of prediction.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Due to Deoxys-S's lack of offensive presence, countering it pretty much means to not enable it from setting up multiple layers of entry hazards. Therefore, Xatu makes a phenomenal counter (as long as Deoxys-S doesn't have Skill Swap!); it doesn't take much from Fire Punch, has Roost to recover lost damage, and thanks to its Magic Bounce ability, it completely messes Deoxys-S up by bouncing Taunt or entry hazards back. Espeon also has Magic Bounce which can be very useful if you manage to evade Fire Punch, as lack of recovery and lackluster defenses means that the damage will stack and Espeon will no longer be able to do its job. Tentacruel is also a brilliant way to beat Deoxys-S. Thanks to its high base Special Defense, it can easily shrug many Psycho Boosts, it resists Fire Punch, carries Rapid Spin, and if rain is up, it can gain lost health back quickly.</p>

    <p>Magic Bounce, however, is not the only new ability the fifth generation has brought. Prankster users now have priority for non-attacking moves, making Taunt usually go first. Thus, Tornadus-I, Thundurus-I, and Sableye are brilliant ways to attempt to block Deoxys-S's attempts. Be wary though, Deoxys-S can use Magic Coat to bounce back Taunt, throwing your attempts to waste. Another extremely effective way to limit Deoxys-S's setup turns is by utilizing priority. Giratina-O's Shadow Sneak is a guaranteed 2HKO, whereas Deoxys-S cannot do much in return. ExtremeSpeed Rayquaza or Arceus formes are also effective, as thanks to the Fire-type resistance or high bulk respectively, Deoxys-S won't do much in return. Scizor does not like Fire Punch but it Deoxys-S does not OHKO 200 HP variants ones, whereas they 2HKO with Bullet Punch. All of the aforementioned priority users are also capable of finishing off a weakened Deoxys-S.</p>

    <p>Dedicated anti-leads like Froslass, Deoxys-A, and Cloyster are capable of limiting Deoxys-S to a single layer of entry hazards. Tyranitar, while not liking Superpower, brings Deoxys-S down to its Focus Sash with its STAB Crunch, and thanks to its Sand Stream ability, sandstorm damage finishes Deoxys-S off. A Magic Coat coming from Pokemon such as Arceus, Giratina-O, Latias, Latios, and Mewtwo can surprise Deoxys-S and bounce back its moves. Opposing Deoxys formes can also run Magic Coat, engaging a mindgame each turn. Deoxys-S's high base Speed stat means that if you want to revenge kill it with a Choice Scarf user, you can't just use any ordinary one. Common users of Choice Scarf such as Salamence, Palkia, and Genesect are outsped. For a Choice Scarf Pokemon to outspeed Deoxys-S, it must have a Speed stat of more than 337. This means that Terrakion, Mewtwo, Shaymin-S, and Darkrai all outspeed Deoxys-S with a Choice Scarf equipped.</p>


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    this is done, thank you gato!!!
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    Fair point. I didn't know Sturdy actually worked vs. Counter.

    As for the Giratina-O part, that's only ever happened to me once. If I see Giratina-O and Genesect on the same team, I have to change my plans apparently. ^^;;

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