Ditto {GP 2/2}

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[Overview]

<p>With the ability to pass on any genetic sequence, Ditto's role as the breeding machine was well-known and much-used by trainers around the world to obtain flawless IVs on their Pokemon. Ditto's repertoire has expanded, however, and it is now capable of something much more. With Imposter, Ditto can be known as the greatest revenge killer of all time using its opponents moves against it. With Team Preview being a staple in the BW metagame, opponents will be hesitant to set up once they see Ditto in your party. Although Ditto is an imposing threat to any team, its HP is downright pitiful. Unfortunately for Ditto, HP is the one stat Imposter does not copy, so Ditto will be forever stuck with its 48 base HP. Ditto also has little to no use against opposing stall teams as when Ditto transforms, it will be little more than a Choice Scarf stall Pokemon; not the most useful thing in the world. Ditto is a risk&mdash;use its power with caution.</p>

[SET]
name: Identity Thief
move 1: Transform
item: Choice Scarf
ability: Imposter
nature: Sassy
evs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
ivs: 31/31/31/3/31/2

[SET COMMENTS]

<p> Imposter allows Ditto to copy its opponent's every aspect (except HP and IVs). From moveset to pixel design all the way to stat boosts, Ditto shares the same exact traits. Ditto does a particularly good job of defeating set-up attackers. With a Choice Scarf attached, Ditto is not only able to copy all stat boosts, but also able to outspeed the Pokemon it is copying. This is particularly useful against Dragon-type Pokemon, as these Pokemon will carry a move that will lead to their downfall. Never again will Salamence and Dragonite try setting up on you, as they know that if they boost, Ditto is ready to do what it does best.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>HP is the only stat that you need to invest in, but make sure you don't forget to. Imposter does not copy HP values, so whatever you invest is whatever you will get. The IV stat is also something you need to pay close attention to as IVs also do not get copied by Imposter. This means that if you IV your Ditto to have Hidden Power Ice, it will have Hidden Power Ice after you transform. The given IVs ensure that you will have Hidden Power Ice, while also keeping the lowest Speed possible. You may be wondering what the point is in having low Speed IVs, and the reason is for the rare Ditto mirror-match. That is, if two Ditto are sent out at the same time, Imposter won't do anything and both Ditto will face a PP stall battle. The slowest Ditto will win due to not dying from Struggle recoil. Max Special Defense is being used in the rare occurrence that you switch into a Zoroark (Imposter doesn't work on Zoroark), but either way you have no chance of beating Zoroark if you switch into it.</p>

<p>In terms of teammates, Ditto appreciates Pokemon that can set up entry hazards. Pokemon such as Skarmory and Forretress are good candidates as both can set up Spikes and are good pivots if Ditto ever needs to switch out. Forretress is particularly useful as it can clear any hazards on your side of the field. Any grounded Poison-type is also a useful partner for Ditto as it is susceptible to Toxic Spikes depending on what it transforms into. In all actuality, you shouldn't be basing your team off Ditto as it is more of a glue Pokemon that aims to KO setup users. Do be warned, however, that there are some setup users that can beat Ditto due to their bulk. Volcarona is an example of this as Quiver Dance boosts its Special Attack and Special Defense. Due to Volcarona's higher HP, it would win the encounter.</p>

[Other Options]

<p>If you are particularly bold, you could use a Shiny Ditto. Do keep in mind though, this will infuriate your opponents due to Ditto's beauty. Please do not use Shiny Ditto. You have been warned.</p>

[Checks and Counters]

<p>Ditto has no real counters as Ditto will transform into whatever it switches into. If you want a literal counter to Ditto, then Zoroark is the premier Ditto counter as Imposter fails to copy Zoroark. The best way of handling an opposing Ditto is to not use setup moves such as Dragon Dance, as they will only be used against you. Without boosted stats, Ditto is little more than the typical Choice Scarf Pokemon. Substitute will block Imposter from activating and cause Ditto to be useless. Pokemon such as Marowak and Pikachu are also good answers as Ditto cannot copy items, and with Thick Club and Light Ball respectively, the original Pokemon are much stronger than Ditto.</p>
 
#3
As I posted in the other topic:

I'd mention Quick Powder & Metal Powder somewhere in the analysis, because not everybody knows that it stops working once it Transforms.

I've also been thinking of ways to possibly Transform without a Choice Scarf, but still going first. That way, when you defeat the opponent, you can switch moves & possibly sweep their team w/ their own Pokemon (lol). So far, I have 3 ideas:
1. Have another Pokemon use Tailwind, and then send out Ditto
2. Paralyze the Pokemon you want to Transform into, so that you'll always outspeed it.
3. Trick Room + Macho Brace
 

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I've been specifically requested by GreatSage to make this more acceptable. To quote him, you have gone "way overboard."

I don't even know what to say. This still counts as a GP check, so there will be actual corrections to make.

I apologize to Omicron, but this needs to be taken as 1/2, mainly because the ridiculousless of this analysis is not acceptable. I don't know why this hasn't even been reassigned, but I trust GS's judgement.

[Overview]

<p>Ditto's job was once restricted to the role of PokePimp. It was only used if you wanted to breed perfect Pokemon, often getting to Level 100 due to the great training of the Day Care Man. Today, Ditto's use has expanded significantly, as the PAINGO (Pokemon Abuse Is Not Good Organization) has successfully protested Gamefreak in order to make it have another use.
With the ability to pass on any genetic sequence, Ditto's role as the breeding machine was well-known and much-used by trainers around the world to obtain flawless IVs on their Pokemon. Ditto's repertoire has expanded, however, and it is now capable of something much more. Now with Imposter, Ditto can be known as the greatest revenge killer of all time, using its opponents moves against it. With Team Preview being a staple in the GenerationV metagame, opponents will be hesitant to set up once they see Ditto in your party. Although Ditto is an imposing threat to any team, its HP is downright pitiful. Unfortunately for Ditto, HP is the one stat Imposter does not copy, so Ditto will be forever stuck with its 48 base HP. Ditto also has little to no use against opposing stall teams, as when Ditto transforms, it will be little more than a Choice Scarf stall Pokemon; not the most useful thing in the world. Ditto is a risk a risk equivalent to the power of Ash's Charizard or Richie's Sparky. &mdash; use its power with caution.</p>

[SET]
name: Revenge Killer
move 1: Transform
item: Choice Scarf
ability: Imposter
nature: Sassy
evs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
ivs: 31/31/31/3/31/2

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>With this set, Ditto is truly the Destroyer of All That is Evil. Imposter allows Ditto to copy its opponent's every aspect (except HP, EVs, and IVs). From moveset, to pixel design, all the way to stat boosts, Ditto shares the same exact traits. Now how exactly is Ditto the DoATiE? Quite simply, whatever Pokemon Ditto is copying, that is the Evil Ditto is aiming to destroy. Ditto does a particularly good job at defeating set-up attackers destroying Evil of the setup variety. With a Choice Scarf attached, Ditto is not only able to copy all stat boosts, but also able outspeed the Pokemon it is copying. This is particularly useful against Dragon-type Pokemon, as these Pokemon will carry a move that will lead to their downfall. Never again will Salamence and Dragonite try performing their black magic upon you, as they know that if they boost, they will be destroyed by the great Ditto.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>Max HP is the only stat that you need to EV invest in, but make sure you don't forget to EV it. Imposter does not copy HP values so whatever you invest is whatever you will get. The IV stat is also something you need to pay close attention to as IVs also do not get copied by Imposter. This means that if you IV your Ditto to have Hidden Power Ice, it will have Hidden Power Ice after you transform. The given IVs ensure that you will have Hidden Power Ice, arguably the most useful Hidden Power, while also keeping the lowest Speed possible. You may be wondering what the point is in having low Speed IVs, and the reason is for the rare Ditto mirror-match DoATiE battle. That is, if two Dittos are sent out at the same time, Imposter won't do anything and both Dittos will be put in face a PP stall battle. The slowest Ditto will win due to not dying from Struggle recoil. Max Special Defense is being used in the rare occurrence that you switch into a Zoroark (Imposter doesn't work on Zoroark), but either way, you have no chance of beating Zoroark if you switch into it.</p>

<p>In terms of teammates, Ditto appreciates Pokemon that can set up entry hazards. Pokemon such as Skarmory and Forretress are good candidates as both can set up Spikes and are good pivots if Ditto ever needs to switch out. Forretress is particularly useful as it can clear any hazards on your side of the field. Any grounded Poison-type is also a useful partner for Ditto as it is susceptible to Toxic Spikes depending on what it transforms into. In all actuality, you shouldn't be basing your team off Ditto as it is more of a glue Pokemon that aims to revenge KO setup users. Do be warned, however, that there are some setup users that can beat Ditto due to their bulk. Volcarona is an example of this; its as Volcarona's boosts are to its Special Attack and Special Defense. Due to Volcarona's higher HP, it would win the encounter.</p>

[Other Options]

<p>If you are particularly bold, you could use Shiny Ditto. Do keep in mind though, this will frustrate your opponents due to Ditto's beauty. Please do not use Shiny Ditto. I can guarantee that your opponent will use your brash decision as motivation to play better and beat you. Eo Ut Mortus tried this exact tactic against me and I proceeded to destroy him. You have been warned.</p>

[Checks and Counters]

<p>Ditto has no real counters as Ditto will transform into whatever it switches into. If you want a literal counter to Ditto, then Zoroark is the premier Ditto counter as Imposter fails to copy Zoroark. The best way of handling an opposing Ditto is to not use setup moves such as Dragon Dance, as they will only be used against you. Without boosted stats, Ditto is little more than the typical Choice Scarf Pokemon. Substitute will block Imposter from activating and cause Ditto to be useless. Pokemon such as Marowak and Pikachu are also good answers as Ditto cannot copy items, and with Thick Club and Light Ball, respectively, the original Pokemon are much stronger than Ditto.</p>
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If you are particularly bold, you could use Shiny Ditto. Do keep in mind though, this will frustrate your opponents due to Ditto's beauty. Please do not use Shiny Ditto. You have been warned.



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Sprocket

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If you are particularly bold, you could use Shiny Ditto. Do keep in mind though, this will frustrate your opponents due to Ditto's beauty. Please do not use Shiny Ditto. You have been warned
Unless I'm mistaken, it's not legally possible to get a shiny Imposter Ditto in game, considering they are only found in Hidden Hollows (and Hidden Hollows Pokemon can't be shiny).
 

Sprocket

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#9
Why I dont need to invest in Speed EV's if Ditto doesnt copy it?
It copies the opponent's Speed stat. The specific Speed IV given is in the event of a Ditto-vs-Ditto showdown, as well as to keep a Hidden Power Ice IV spread (as Hidden Power's type is determined by Ditto's IVs, not the opponent's).
 

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Unless I'm mistaken, it's not legally possible to get a shiny Imposter Ditto in game, considering they are only found in Hidden Hollows (and Hidden Hollows Pokemon can't be shiny).
Couldn't DW abilities pass through breeding though? If no, I suppose I'll have a Wi-Fi'er over here~
 
#11
Couldn't DW abilities pass through breeding though? If no, I suppose I'll have a Wi-Fi'er over here~
1. If you breed any Pokemon with Ditto (whether Imposter or not), the eggs will NEVER have their Hidden Ability. Otherwise, you could breed it w/ a Pokemon only given as male (ex: Torchic), and eventually get a female DW Torchic, and get a Boostiken with Baton Pass.

2. You can't breed Ditto with another Ditto.
 

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[Overview]

<p>With the ability to pass on any genetic sequence, Ditto's role as the breeding machine was well-known and much-used by trainers around the world to obtain flawless IVs on their Pokemon. Ditto's repertoire has expanded, however, and it is now capable of something much more. Now With Imposter, Ditto can be known as the greatest revenge killer of all time using its opponents moves against it. With Team Preview being a staple in the BW metagame, opponents will be hesitant to set up once they see Ditto in your party. Although Ditto is an imposing threat to any team, its HP is downright pitiful. Unfortunately for Ditto, HP is the one stat Imposter does not copy, so Ditto will be forever stuck with its 48 base HP. Ditto also has little to no use against opposing stall teams as when Ditto transforms, it will be little more than a Choice Scarf stall Pokemon; not the most useful thing in the world. Ditto is a risk&mdash;use its power with caution.</p>

[SET]
name: Identity Thief
move 1: Transform
item: Choice Scarf
ability: Imposter
nature: Sassy
evs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
ivs: 31/31/31/3/31/2

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Imposter allows Ditto to copy its opponent's every aspect (except HP, EVs, and IVs). From moveset to pixel design all the way to stat boosts, Ditto shares the same exact traits. Ditto does a particularly good job of defeating set-up attackers. With a Choice Scarf attached, Ditto is not only able to copy all stat boosts, but also able to outspeed the Pokemon it is copying. This is particularly useful against Dragon-type Pokemon, as these Pokemon will carry a move that will lead to their downfall. Never again will Salamence and Dragonite try setting up on you, as they know that if they boost, Ditto is ready to do what it does.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>HP is the only stat that you need to invest in, but make sure you don't forget to. Imposter does not copy HP values, so whatever you invest is whatever you will get. The IV stat is also something you need to pay close attention to as IVs also do not get copied by Imposter. This means that if you IV your Ditto to have Hidden Power Ice, it will have Hidden Power Ice after you transform. The given IVs ensure that you will have Hidden Power Ice, while also keeping the lowest Speed possible. You may be wondering what the point is in having low Speed IVs, and the reason is for the rare Ditto mirror-match. That is, if two Ditto are sent out at the same time, Imposter won't do anything and both Ditto will face a PP stall battle. The slowest Ditto will win due to not dying from Struggle recoil. Max Special Defense is being used in the rare occurrence that you switch into a Zoroark (Imposter doesn't work on Zoroark), but either way you have no chance of beating Zoroark if you switch into it.</p>

<p>In terms of teammates, Ditto appreciates Pokemon that can set up entry hazards. Pokemon such as Skarmory and Forretress are good candidates as both can set up Spikes and are good pivots if Ditto ever needs to switch out. Forretress is particularly useful as it can clear any hazards on your side of the field. Any grounded Poison-type is also a useful partner for Ditto as it is susceptible to Toxic Spikes depending on what it transforms into. In all actuality, you shouldn't be basing your team off Ditto as it is more of a glue Pokemon that aims to KO setup users. Do be warned, however, that there are some setup users that can beat Ditto due to their bulk. Volcarona is an example of this as Quiver Dance boosts its Special Attack and Special Defense. Due to Volcarona's higher HP, it would win the encounter.</p>

[Other Options]

<p>If you are particularly bold, you could use a Shiny Ditto. Do keep in mind though, this will infuriate your opponents due to Ditto's beauty. Please do not use Shiny Ditto. You have been warned.</p>

[Checks and Counters]

<p>Ditto has no real counters as Ditto will transform into whatever it switches into. If you want a literal counter to Ditto, then Zoroark is the premier Ditto counter as Imposter fails to copy Zoroark. The best way of handling an opposing Ditto is to not use setup moves such as Dragon Dance, as they will only be used against you. Without boosted stats, Ditto is little more than the typical Choice Scarf Pokemon. Substitute will block Imposter from activating and cause Ditto to be useless. Pokemon such as Marowak and Pikachu are also good answers as Ditto cannot copy items, and with Thick Club and Light Ball respectively, the original Pokemon are much stronger than Ditto.</p>


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#13
thank you for the check oglemi, this is now done

to the shiny ditto point, i was told i to keep it as it was the only humorous part left