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Even though I got knocked out in Semis, I had a ton of fun building for the DUU tour, so I wanted to share my favorite teams and some that I wish I had the chance to use in a little team dump. Teams are roughly ordered by viability as I see it in the current meta, but most are a little wacky because I got excited by how many Pokemon were at least semi-viable. If you have any questions about spreads, send me a PM on Discord or PS! and I'll let you know, but I don't want to bother writing up every single set description for all of these teams.

EDIT: DAD1 stole my idea and did it first, but I agree with his remark that Stealth Rock is amazing in DUU.

Darkrai @ Darkinium Z
Ability: Bad Dreams
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Dark Pulse
- Blizzard
- Thunderbolt
- Protect

Abomasnow-Mega @ Abomasite
Ability: Snow Warning
EVs: 248 HP / 68 Def / 96 SpA / 96 Spe
Modest Nature
- Blizzard
- Energy Ball
- Ice Shard
- Protect

Bruxish @ Life Orb
Ability: Dazzling
EVs: 48 HP / 208 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Psychic Fangs
- Waterfall
- Taunt
- Protect

Entei @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Pressure
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 148 HP / 252 Atk / 108 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Sacred Fire
- Stone Edge
- Extreme Speed
- Protect

Tornadus
Ability: Defiant
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Acrobatics
- Superpower
- Tailwind
- Protect

Rhydon @ Eviolite
Ability: Lightning Rod
EVs: 136 HP / 84 Atk / 36 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Drill Run
- Rock Slide
- Roar
- Protect
Built this when we were discussing whether Darkrai should be ranked with VR Council. In order to justify using it over Protean Blizzard Greninja, went for a Darkinium set that allows Darkrai to OHKO every TR setter in the tier aside from Aromatisse. Mega Snow provides hail, and is pretty standard aside from the EVs. Bruxish checks Keldeo and Fire-types, which is fantastic for the first two, and both Taunt and its ability, Dazzling, which blocks priority moves aimed at its allies, come in handy quite often. Entei takes on the two biggest Megas, ZardX + Mega Scizor, and the latter was a HUGE issue before adding that. Tornadus gives the team another Keldeo check, provides Tailwind support, and benefits from any Intimidate users (Hitmontop, Krookodile, and Gyarados being the big ones). Last, Rhydon helps against Thundurus, setup/Trick Room, and Fire-types.

Replays:
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7doublesuu-604702654
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7doublesuu-607345417
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7doublesuu-611488895


Thundurus @ Electrium Z
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Taunt
- Protect

Charizard-Mega-X @ Charizardite X
Ability: Blaze
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Flare Blitz
- Dragon Claw
- Protect

Breloom @ Focus Sash
Ability: Technician
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Spore
- Mach Punch
- Bullet Seed
- Protect

Togekiss @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 232 HP / 156 Def / 24 SpD / 96 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Follow Me
- Air Slash
- Tailwind
- Encore

Krookodile @ Aguav Berry
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 84 HP / 160 Atk / 24 Def / 240 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Earthquake
- Knock Off
- Stealth Rock
- Protect

Azumarill @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Huge Power
EVs: 92 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 160 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Aqua Jet
- Play Rough
- Belly Drum
- Protect
Azu + Zard X + Redirection is pretty difficult to mess up. Added Breloom for Spore, Thundurus for emergency button, and Krookodile for Stealth Rock + good coverage. Built this team super quick, but it doesn't need to be complicated to succeed. Electrium Thundurus is used to OHKO Togekiss, which is otherwise pretty annoying.

Replays:
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7doublesuu-607357663
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7doublesuu-610982880


Mew @ Mewnium Z
Ability: Synchronize
EVs: 72 HP / 184 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Psychic
- Thunderbolt
- Tailwind
- Protect

Deoxys @ Focus Sash
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 156 Atk / 140 SpA / 212 Spe
Rash Nature
- Psycho Boost
- Fire Punch
- Ice Beam
- Protect

Togekiss @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 248 HP / 136 Def / 112 SpA / 12 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Follow Me
- Air Slash
- Fire Blast
- Helping Hand

Krookodile @ Yache Berry
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 Atk / 40 SpD / 216 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Earthquake
- Knock Off
- Stealth Rock
- Protect

Salazzle @ Focus Sash
Ability: Corrosion
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Flamethrower
- Sludge Bomb
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Fake Out

Aerodactyl-Mega @ Aerodactylite
Ability: Tough Claws
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 116 Def / 136 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Stone Edge
- Wing Attack
- Taunt
- Protect
n10sit beat me on the ladder three times in a row with PsySpam so I gave up and built my own. Also tailored the team to CT his sample, since I knew I was facing Laga the next round and he liked n10sit's sample. Unfortunately, I brought this team the two games that Laga did not use that sample, but it still did okay. Gist of the team is Genesis Supernova Mew + Deoxys, then lots of support. Thunderbolt Mew helps against Gyarados which was otherwise super scary and has okay coverage. Fire Punch Deoxys is used to OHKO even bulky Scizor with the given Atk investment, Psycho Boost for raw power, Ice Beam for Krook and the ability to take out lots of Ice-weak Pokemon without lowering your SpA. I used Fire Blast Togekiss because I was still scared of Scizor but Tailwind is probably better overall. Yache Berry Krookodile helps the team's Porygon-Z matchup. Salazzle was a strange addition that I used for a super fast Fake Out that could take on Landorus, Mega Scizor, Abomasnow, Azumarill, and Togekiss all in one slot... ish. It's a little underwhelming but mostly does its job. Last, Mega Aero shores up the ZardX and TR matchups.

Replays:
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7doublesuu-618050212
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7doublesuu-618056225


Nihilego @ Focus Sash
Ability: Beast Boost
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Sludge Bomb
- Power Gem
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Protect

Scizor-Mega @ Scizorite
Ability: Technician
EVs: 252 HP / 84 Atk / 172 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Bullet Punch
- Bug Bite
- Swords Dance
- Roost

Shaymin-Sky @ Focus Sash
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Seed Flare
- Air Slash
- Tailwind
- Protect

Hoopa @ Ghostium Z
Ability: Magician
EVs: 40 HP / 252 SpA / 216 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Shadow Ball
- Hyperspace Hole
- Destiny Bond
- Protect

Magmar @ Eviolite
Ability: Flame Body
EVs: 240 HP / 104 Def / 32 SpA / 132 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Follow Me
- Flamethrower
- Helping Hand
- Protect

Thundurus @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 252 HP / 120 Def / 52 SpA / 64 SpD / 20 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Thunderbolt
- Taunt
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Thunder Wave
HP Fire + dual STABs Nihilego OHKOes all of Tier 1, and with a Focus Sash it's guaranteed to get the hit off. The rest is just cool mons that I wanted to try out, this was the first team I built after the tier shift. Magmar is a pretty cool redirector that matches up positively against Mega Scizor and Mega Abomasnow, which none of the others can do. Ghostium Hoopa is an awesome set that either gives you a ridiculous nuke, easily KOing every TR setter, or gives you Z-Destiny Bond to take out any physical attacker.

Replays:
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7doublesuu-604699522
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7doublesuu-611476976


Cacturne @ Darkinium Z
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 104 HP / 28 Atk / 252 SpA / 124 Spe
Rash Nature
- Giga Drain
- Dark Pulse
- Sucker Punch
- Spiky Shield

Tyrantrum @ Haban Berry
Ability: Rock Head
EVs: 72 HP / 220 Atk / 32 SpD / 184 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Head Smash
- Hone Claws
- Rock Polish
- Protect

Togekiss @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 232 HP / 156 Def / 24 SpD / 96 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Tailwind
- Air Slash
- Follow Me
- Encore

Entei @ Mago Berry
Ability: Pressure
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 96 HP / 216 Atk / 196 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Sacred Fire
- Extreme Speed
- Roar
- Protect

Blastoise-Mega @ Blastoisinite
Ability: Rain Dish
EVs: 184 HP / 208 SpA / 116 Spe
Modest Nature
- Fake Out
- Aura Sphere
- Hydro Pump
- Protect

Xurkitree @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Beast Boost
EVs: 48 HP / 204 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Thunderbolt
- Dazzling Gleam
- Energy Ball
- Volt Switch
I knew I was likely to face Mew + Azu from Akaru Kokuyo, so I decided to try building around Cacturne. Water Absorb and fantastic Attack and Special Attack make it usable, but I'm not under any illusion that it's brilliant. Still, Darkinium Dark Pulse OHKOes every TR setter and Giga Drain / Sucker Punch as other attacking moves makes Cacturne no offensive slouch. Tyrantrum happened to match up well against most of the teams I had seen in prepping, and Head Smash is the only real attack you need, so I went for dual setup. Follow Me support from Togekiss, Roar support from Entei, and Fake Out support from Blastoise help against most team styles and let Cacturne get off as many strong hits as possible. Last, added a scarf Xurkitree for a decent catch-all and pivot. The team did pretty well in testing and won my game during the set against Akaru Kokuyo, so it's at least decent.

Replay:
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7doublesuu-611482459


Houndoom-Mega @ Houndoominite
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Heat Wave
- Dark Pulse
- Solar Beam
- Protect

Tsareena @ Assault Vest
Ability: Queenly Majesty
EVs: 252 HP / 96 Atk / 160 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Trop Kick
- Feint
- U-turn
- Play Rough

Hitmonlee @ Payapa Berry
Ability: Unburden
EVs: 88 HP / 216 Atk / 204 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Fake Out
- Close Combat
- Knock Off
- Protect

Ninetales @ Heat Rock
Ability: Drought
EVs: 160 HP / 252 SpA / 96 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Flamethrower
- Solar Beam
- Roar
- Protect

Clefable @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Unaware
EVs: 252 HP / 84 Def / 164 SpD / 8 Spe
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Follow Me
- Helping Hand
- Moonblast
- Moonlight

Rhydon @ Eviolite
Ability: Lightning Rod
EVs: 136 HP / 84 Atk / 36 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Drill Run
- Rock Slide
- Stealth Rock
- Protect
Yellow Paint only had two teams in the replays from the tour, both of which had Mega Scizor and Tangela. Heliodor had been talking about sun, and this seemed like the perfect time to try it out. Tsareena's a cool pivot and helps against most Fire resists. Hitmonlee provided me with a much more offensive version of Hitmontop, actually doing decent damage with Close Combat while still providing Fake Out and Knock Off support. Unburden + Payapa Berry lets it 1v1 Latios and Hoopa, it's a bit of an odd set but I knew it matched up well against Paint's teams. Clefable gave redirection for Houndoom, benefitted from sun due to Moonlight, and had Helping Hand support. Last, Rhydon gave Stealth Rock support for Houndoom to get more KOes with Heat Wave and was used to check Zard X.

Replays:
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7doublesuu-610976137
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7doublesuu-610979508


Dhelmise @ Ghostium Z
Ability: Steelworker
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Brave Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Power Whip
- Phantom Force
- Heavy Slam
- Protect

Nidoqueen @ Life Orb
Ability: Sheer Force
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Quiet Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Earth Power
- Flamethrower
- Ice Beam
- Protect

Hariyama @ Flame Orb
Ability: Guts
EVs: 8 HP / 252 Atk / 196 Def / 52 SpD
Adamant Nature
IVs: 19 Spe
- Fake Out
- Close Combat
- Knock Off
- Poison Jab

Victini @ Kasib Berry
Ability: Victory Star
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Brave Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- V-create
- Bolt Strike
- Trick Room
- Protect

Slowbro-Mega @ Slowbronite
Ability: Shell Armor
EVs: 252 HP / 76 Def / 56 SpA / 124 SpD
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe
- Scald
- Calm Mind
- Trick Room
- Slack Off

Honchkrow @ Wiki Berry
Ability: Moxie
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Brave Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Brave Bird
- Sucker Punch
- Substitute
- Protect
I honestly should have left this team for later, since I had only used it once in testing, but it seemed to match up well against Laga's game 2 team and I liked the look of it. Dhelmise is super cool for OHKOing ZardX with Ghostium Phantom Force, Azu with Power Whip, and Togekiss with Heavy Slam. Nidoqueen also OKHOes ZardX and has Flamethrower to beat the things that Dhelmise can't hit. I went back and forth between Ice Beam Nidoqueen + Poison Jab Hariyama or Sludge Bomb Nidoqueen + Ice Punch Hariyama, but ended up deciding that an OHKO on Thundurus was more valuable. Hariyama is just super strong, and kept up the offensive pressure. Kasib Victini beats Ghostium Gengar and I hadn't used it for some reason so I threw that on, then Mega Slowbro seemed to be the best Mega for the team and took on Fire-types pretty well. Last I definitely wanted a Dark-type and Incineroar overlapped roles with Hariyama so I decided to try Honchkrow, with a bit of a weird set built to make it easier to get and keep Moxie boosts. I'm not sure I played the team as well as I could have in the below replay, but it's definitely a fun one.

Replay:
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7doublesuu-618060561


Gengar @ Focus Sash
Ability: Cursed Body
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Sludge Bomb
- Icy Wind
- Taunt
- Shadow Ball

Breloom @ Focus Sash
Ability: Technician
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Spore
- Bullet Seed
- Mach Punch
- Protect

Raichu @ Air Balloon
Ability: Lightning Rod
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Fake Out
- Feint
- Volt Switch
- Encore

Blastoise-Mega @ Blastoisinite
Ability: Rain Dish
EVs: 36 HP / 252 SpA / 220 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Water Spout
- Dark Pulse
- Scald
- Protect

Moltres @ Flyinium Z
Ability: Flame Body
EVs: 192 HP / 128 SpA / 188 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Flamethrower
- Hurricane
- Tailwind
- Protect

Comfey @ Wiki Berry
Ability: Triage
EVs: 252 HP / 196 Def / 12 SpA / 48 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Floral Healing
- Draining Kiss
- Calm Mind
- Protect
Memoric showed me the light with Breloom + Gengar, I added Raichu to make it almost impossible to let the opp set up TR. Mega Blastoise benefitted a lot from this triple support, specifically the Water Spout set. Moltres was added for a Tailwind user that matched up well against Mega Scizor, Flyinium was theoretically to help it actually hit a Flying-type move and nab a KO. Comfey was the star of the team, using Triage Floral Healing to heal Mega Blastoise 50% at +3 priority and picking things off with priority Draining Kiss. This team is very much feast or famine - if Water Spout Blastoise has a good matchup or the opponent can't break Comfey for whatever reason, you're golden. The replay doesn't really show what the team is capable of, but it's the only time I used it during the tour.

Replay:
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7doublesuu-607350738

Next up are a few teams that I've had in my builder for varying amounts of time but never used in the tour, just felt like dumping everything because I had so much fun building and wanted to show them off.


Mudsdale @ Assault Vest
Ability: Stamina
EVs: 160 HP / 240 Atk / 108 SpD
Brave Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- High Horsepower
- Heavy Slam
- Close Combat
- Rock Slide

Dragalge @ Expert Belt
Ability: Adaptability
EVs: 252 HP / 24 Def / 232 SpA
Quiet Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe
- Sludge Wave
- Draco Meteor
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Protect

Musharna @ Psychium Z
Ability: Telepathy
EVs: 252 HP / 152 Def / 40 SpA / 64 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe
- Trick Room
- Hypnosis
- Psychic
- Moonlight

Abomasnow-Mega @ Abomasite
Ability: Snow Warning
EVs: 220 HP / 84 Atk / 204 SpA
Quiet Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Blizzard
- Giga Drain
- Ice Shard
- Protect

Incineroar @ Wiki Berry
Ability: Blaze
EVs: 252 HP / 152 Atk / 48 Def / 56 SpD
Brave Nature
- Fake Out
- Darkest Lariat
- Flare Blitz
- Protect

Jellicent @ Maranga Berry
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 244 HP / 132 Def / 36 SpA / 96 SpD
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe
- Scald
- Hex
- Trick Room
- Recover
Mudbray had just been really good for me in an LC game so I tried its adult counterpart, Mudsdale. It actually has decent Attack, and pairing it with Sludge Wave Dragalge made it easier to get Defense boosts. Needed a Trick Room setter and Musharna has Telepathy to fit with Sludge Wave Dragalge + Z-TR capabilities. Mega Abomasnow is just really good, Incineroar helps set TR and beat Mega Scizor (Wiki Berry is great guys), and Jellicent provides a secondary TR setter. Maranga is also fairly easy to activate with Sludge Wave heh. Hex Jellicent is nice to pair with Z-TR Musharna, three other Pokemon with moves that can induce status (Sludge Wave, Blizzard, Flare Blitz), and Scald on its own moveset. This is sort of a meme but it's not bad.


Porygon-Z @ Normalium Z
Ability: Adaptability
EVs: 52 HP / 252 SpA / 204 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Thunderbolt
- Ice Beam
- Conversion
- Protect

Mew @ Wiki Berry
Ability: Synchronize
EVs: 116 HP / 140 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Fake Out
- Tailwind
- Transform
- Flamethrower

Breloom @ Focus Sash
Ability: Technician
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Bullet Seed
- Mach Punch
- Spore
- Protect

Azumarill @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Huge Power
EVs: 140 HP / 252 Atk / 116 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Play Rough
- Aqua Jet
- Belly Drum
- Protect

Entei @ Lum Berry
Ability: Pressure
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 60 HP / 252 Atk / 196 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Sacred Fire
- Extreme Speed
- Psych Up
- Protect

Scizor-Mega @ Scizorite
Ability: Technician
EVs: 252 HP / 76 Atk / 176 SpD / 4 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Bug Bite
- Bullet Punch
- Swords Dance
- Roost
When building a Porygon-Z team, it either ends up being almost identical to Level 51/marilli's or super memey. This was the closest balance that I struck, it's nearly untested but kinda fun. Psych Up Entei + 3 things to Psych Up with (Porygon-Z, Azu, Mega Scizor). Breloom puts things to sleep for setup opportunities, Togekiss redirects.


Necrozma @ Electric Seed
Ability: Prism Armor
EVs: 208 HP / 88 Def / 212 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Stored Power
- Calm Mind
- Rock Polish
- Moonlight

Togekiss @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 232 HP / 156 Def / 24 SpD / 96 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Air Slash
- Follow Me
- Tailwind
- Sunny Day

Xurkitree @ Electrium Z
Ability: Beast Boost
EVs: 72 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 180 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Thunderbolt
- Dazzling Gleam
- Electric Terrain
- Protect

Entei @ Mago Berry
Ability: Pressure
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 HP / 48 Atk / 56 Def / 152 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Sacred Fire
- Extreme Speed
- Roar
- Protect

Rhydon @ Eviolite
Ability: Lightning Rod
EVs: 8 HP / 120 Atk / 136 SpD / 244 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Stone Edge
- Earthquake
- Megahorn
- Protect

Blastoise-Mega @ Blastoisinite
Ability: Rain Dish
EVs: 184 HP / 100 SpA / 224 Spe
Modest Nature
- Fake Out
- Hydro Pump
- Dark Pulse
- Protect
Okay I went a bit insane here but hear me out. I saw Memoric's Necrozma set in Smogon Doubles Tour playoffs and wanted to make it work in DUU, so I threw together Electric Terrain Xurkitree + Electric Seed CM Autotomize Stored Power Necrozma. Togekiss redirects, Entei checks Scizor and TR, Rhydon checks Thund and ZardX, and Blastoise provides Fake Out support. The team's 2-0 in testing but it's really awkward to use and often dependent on Necrozma being able to set up and sweep.


Because I feel like being a tryhard and making this post EVEN LONGER, here's a batch of nominations based on my experience in 5 rounds of the tour:
Thundurus 1 -> 1.5
It's a good Pokemon, but it's not quite as metagame-defining as the other three in Tier 1. Ends up being not quite bulky enough or not quite strong enough a lot of the time. Maybe it's my personal affinity for Rhydon preventing it from being tough to handle, but I've never really struggled with Thundurus.

Mew 1.5 -> 1
65% winrate in the tour for very good reason. It's unpredictable, with some versatility within sets and with two viable options in full support or Genesis Supernova. Bulky, access to all the right moves, and Transform to not only further your own setup sweepers but also turn the tables on opposing setup users. Really tough to find notable flaws in this mon.

Victini 1.5 -> 2
Scarf can give setup opportunities to too many Pokemon and Trick Room is quite prepared for at the moment, so Victini just isn't great. It only has a 44% winrate in the tour, and doesn't seem up to the same standards as the other 1.5s

Mega Abomasnow 2 -> 1.5
Ice is a great Attacking type in this metagame, and Mega Abomasnow having both priority and a way to beat Azu is huge. In the same vein as Stealth Rock being really good, hail is awesome for chipping down foes into range. Obligatory did quite well in tour point (14-2 in first two rounds!)

Porygon-Z 2 -> 1.5
This Pokemon is so scary and so difficult to check. Lately in building, I always seem to struggle with ways to beat Porygon-Z + support. Also did brilliantly so far in the tour.

Clefairy 3 -> 4
Togekiss outclasses it in almost every way. Clefairy is far too passive and gives every dangerous setup sweeper a free turn to boost, and isn't really bulky enough to justify as a redirector when that's all it brings to a team.

Entei 3 -> 2
It's done very well in the tour, and I find myself going back to Entei pretty often for its significant role compression. Beating Mega Scizor, Mega Abomasnow, Mega Charizard X (kind of), and Trick Room, picking off weakened threats, spreading burns, all this and more! Entei also doesn't have a lot of competition, other Fire types are either considerably frailer, considerably slower, or far more limited in their movepool.

Incineroar 3 -> 2
Sort of on the border between the two imo, but putting in this nomination to give my fellow VR councilmembers a chance to decide. Fake Out + bulk + positive matchup against Mega Scizor all work in its favor, and Dark is a solid attacking type with Musharna, Latios, Victini, Gengar, and Bronzong running around. If Intimidate is released, this thing would be fantastic. EDIT: Just realized I was beaten to the punch by DAD1 last page

Rhyperior 3 -> 4
There aren't a ton of Rhyperior sets that you can use without Rhydon doing its job better. The slight increase in power and ability to hold an item rarely make up for a huge increase in bulk.

Salamence 3 -> 4
A grand total of 6 uses in the whole DUU tour and poor showings in those games. Salamence just doesn't have great matchups in the current meta, and is kind of difficult to fit onto most teams. Togekiss's popularity leaves it deadweight in many matchups.

Bruxish UR -> 4
Has a few decent matchups, Dazzling gives it a notable niche. Waterfall / Psychic Fangs / Taunt is helpful in most matchups and even though it's on the frail and weak side, it's still good on some teams.

Magmar UR -> 4
Notable niche in being a redirector with a great Mega Scizor matchup. Flame Body and Helping Hand are also pretty nice, and with an Eviolite it's passably bulky.

Nidoqueen UR -> 4
Sheer Force Life Orb Earth Power, Flamethrower, Ice Beam, Sludge Bomb, and Thunderbolt is a lot of hardhitting attacks with prime coverage. Also has access to the best move in the metagame, Stealth Rock. Better than Nidoking because it's bulkier and slower for use under TR.

Rhydon UR -> 3
Basically a better Rhyperior, should take Rhyperior's place in Tier 3.

Tornadus UR -> 4
Justified itemless Acro is pretty nice in a meta with fairly few Flying resistances and Tornadus can also provide Tailwind support.
 
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Keldeo @ Life Orb
Ability: Justified
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Scald
- Secret Sword
- Icy Wind
- Protect

Shaymin-Sky @ Focus Sash
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Air Slash
- Seed Flare
- Earth Power
- Protect

Talonflame @ Flyinium Z
Ability: Gale Wings
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Brave Bird
- Flare Blitz
- Tailwind
- Protect

Gengar @ Life Orb
Ability: Cursed Body
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Shadow Ball
- Sludge Bomb
- Taunt
- Protect

Rhydon @ Eviolite
Ability: Lightning Rod
EVs: 184 HP / 200 Atk / 124 SpD
Brave Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Drill Run
- Rock Slide
- Stone Edge
- Protect

Scizor-Mega @ Scizorite
Ability: Technician
EVs: 252 HP / 80 Atk / 172 SpD / 4 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Bullet Punch
- Bug Bite
- Swords Dance
- Roost


So I took n10siT's and found out that I was liking it a lot, but two things were really bothering me about it: 1) the lack of a flying resist and 2) the TR matchup. In order to alleviate this. I settled on replacing lando with rhydon and entei with talonflame. The end result was something along the lines of a pretty standard gen 6 skydeo team, along with a defensive backbone of rhydon and mega scizor. Giving the z move on gengar was a bummer because i really liked the flexibility of the nuke or z destiny bond, but I think the final team is a bit more reliable overall given the improvement in the defensive backbone as well as having a really solid TR matchup now.
 

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#53
Mew @ Mewnium Z
Ability: Synchronize
EVs: 180 HP / 220 SpA / 108 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Psychic
- Tailwind
- Flamethrower
- Protect

Deoxys @ Focus Sash
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Rash Nature
- Psycho Boost
- Superpower
- Ice Beam
- Protect

Metagross @ Assault Vest
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 252 HP / 176 Atk / 40 Def / 40 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Meteor Mash
- Zen Headbutt
- Bullet Punch
- Earthquake

Thundurus @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 252 HP / 20 Def / 212 SpD / 24 Spe
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Thunderbolt
- Swagger
- Taunt
- Thunder Wave

Charizard-Mega-X @ Charizardite X
Ability: Tough Claws
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Dragon Claw
- Protect
- Flare Blitz

Krookodile @ Lum Berry
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Earthquake
- Knock Off
- Taunt
- Protect


This is my psyspam team i've been using a lot in the DUU tournament. It got me a fair amount of w's and it's mainly meant to check azu setupstuffs by stuffing their Fake Out support and Azu with Psychic Terrain. It's kinda weak to Abomasnow z-TR but is ideally meant to use your taunters + Metagross to force out the Z-TR user, and hopefully with your taunts and Psychic Terrain you have easier time stopping the second TR setup. Hope you enjoy!
 

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#54
Dumping some of my favorite duu teams :3
Dezortoid (Scizor) @ Scizorite
Ability: Light Metal
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Bullet Punch
- Bug Bite
- Swords Dance
- Protect

De-entoid (Entei) @ Rockium Z
Ability: Pressure
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Sacred Fire
- Stone Edge
- Extreme Speed
- Protect

Detogetoid (Togekiss) @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Serene Grace
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 HP / 244 Def / 4 SpD / 8 Spe
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Air Slash
- Follow Me
- Safeguard
- Tailwind

matt's waifu (Meloetta) @ Choice Specs
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 120 HP / 84 Def / 116 SpA / 188 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Hyper Voice
- Psychic
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Shadow Ball

buff swamp (Swampert) @ Wiki Berry
Ability: Torrent
EVs: 252 HP / 40 Def / 120 SpA / 60 SpD / 36 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Earth Power
- Ice Beam
- Stealth Rock
- Roar

Dehydratoid (Hydreigon) @ Life Orb
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Dark Pulse
- Draco Meteor
- Tailwind
- Protect
This team was built around Choice Specs Meloetta because it's cute and hits very hard with spread damage :3. Swampert checks trick room with roar and sets rocks. Rockium Z Entei checks other fires better. Rest of team is pretty standard stuff.

Dezortoid (Scizor) @ Scizorite
Ability: Light Metal
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Bullet Punch
- Bug Bite
- Swords Dance
- Protect

Devictorytoid (Victini) @ Normalium Z
Ability: Victory Star
EVs: 252 HP / 88 Def / 64 SpA / 72 SpD / 32 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Fire Blast
- Psychic
- Celebrate
- Protect

Demewtoid (Mew) @ Mago Berry
Ability: Synchronize
EVs: 252 HP / 96 Def / 140 SpD / 20 Spe
Timid Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Fake Out
- Transform
- Tailwind

Defabletoid (Clefable) @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Unaware
EVs: 252 HP / 212 Def / 44 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Moonblast
- Heal Pulse
- Follow Me
- Protect

mishi's waifu (Primarina) @ Leftovers
Ability: Torrent
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 HP / 60 Def / 108 SpA / 88 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Moonblast
- Hydro Pump
- Substitute
- Protect

Detoptoid (Hitmontop) @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Impish Nature
- Fake Out
- Close Combat
- Helping Hand
- Quick Guard
Z-Celebrate boosts all of Victini's stats like Z-Conversion PZ. Unfortunately can't use it with Heat Wave. Clefable chosen over Togekiss for better Azu match up. Substitute Mishi's Waifu checks Z-TR (Musharna's Psychic doesn't break Sub) and hits hard with its attacks. Hydro Pump hits extremely hard if you get in Torrent range.


Demewtoid (Mew) @ Mago Berry
Ability: Synchronize
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 HP / 96 Def / 140 SpD / 20 Spe
Timid Nature
- Fake Out
- Overheat
- Tailwind
- Transform

Deporytoid-Z (Porygon-Z) @ Normalium Z
Ability: Adaptability
EVs: 56 Def / 252 SpA / 200 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Thunderbolt
- Ice Beam
- Conversion
- Protect

Detoptoid (Hitmontop) @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Impish Nature
- Fake Out
- Close Combat
- Helping Hand
- Quick Guard

Dezardtoid (Charizard) @ Charizardite X
Ability: Blaze
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Flare Blitz
- Dragon Claw
- Dragon Dance
- Protect

mishi's ex (Azumarill) @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Huge Power
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 4 HP / 248 Atk / 68 Def / 68 SpD / 120 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Aqua Jet
- Play Rough
- Belly Drum
- Protect

Detogetoid (Togekiss) @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Serene Grace
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 HP / 244 Def / 4 SpD / 8 Spe
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Air Slash
- Follow Me
- Safeguard
- Tailwind

Ev explanations
Mew: Outspeeds Breloom by 2 and underspeeds pz by one
+1 252 Atk Tough Claws Mega Charizard X Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 96 Def Mew: 348-409 (86.1 - 101.2%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO
252 SpA Life Orb Thundurus Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 140 SpD Mew: 164-192 (40.5 - 47.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

Porygon-Z: Outspeeds Mew by 1
+6 252+ Atk Huge Power Azumarill Aqua Jet vs. +1 0 HP / 56 Def Porygon-Z: 262-310 (84.2 - 99.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+1 252+ SpA Adaptability Porygon-Z Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Mega Scizor: 330-390 (95.9 - 113.3%) -- 75% chance to OHKO

Hitmontop:
-1 252+ Atk Tough Claws Mega Charizard X Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Hitmontop: 139-165 (45.7 - 54.2%) -- 3.1% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

Azumarill: Outspeeds lando-i in tailwind and little invesment base 60s; gives up like 1% in bulk by investing in defenses instead of hp to make transformed Mew bulkier.

Togekiss: Outspeeds base 130s in Tailwind
+1 252 Atk Tough Claws Mega Charizard X Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 244 Def Togekiss: 313-370 (83.6 - 98.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Sitrus Berry recovery
252 Atk Mega Aerodactyl Rock Slide vs. 252 HP / 244 Def Togekiss: 156-186 (41.7 - 49.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Sitrus Berry recovery
252+ Atk Technician Mega Scizor Bullet Punch vs. 252 HP / 244 Def Togekiss: 198-234 (52.9 - 62.5%) -- 0.4% chance to 2HKO after Sitrus Berry recovery
 

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#55
Here's what my version of the EV spreads do:

Azumarill: Outspeeds Timid Xurkitree in Tailwind
Togekiss:
  • +1 252+ Atk Technician Mega Scizor Bullet Punch vs. 252 HP / 176 Def Togekiss: 314-372 (83.9 - 99.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Sitrus Berry recovery
  • also survives +6 Azumarill Aqua Jet, unboosted Metagross Meteor Mash, and has a 11/16 chance to survive +1 Jolly Charizard-X Flare Blitz
Hitmontop:
  • 252+ Atk Tough Claws Mega Charizard X Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 124 Def Hitmontop: 256-303 (84.2 - 99.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
  • +5 252+ Atk Huge Power Azumarill Aqua Jet vs. 252 HP / 124 Def Hitmontop: 255-301 (83.8 - 99%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Overall I think Demantoid's spreads are probably better for the team, except for a few things
  • I don't think Azumarill needs to invest so heavily in Speed, you can probably put more into bulk. Also aren't you Aqua Jetting Landorus most of the time
  • Feint > HH on Hitmontop seems like a better idea, I think with most of the team attacking at +1 or +6 the HH isn't super necessary and Feint helps you pick off Focus Sash mons / lets you not waste the turns that you have Pory/Zard/Azu on the field for
Also Overheat on Mew is godly how did I not think of that whoa
 
#56
duu vr votes round 4 because talkingtree likes making us suffer
Thundurus 1 -> 1.5
  • n10sit - yes - doesnt provide tier 1 level team support and there are other strong electrics

  • Lord Death Man - yes. I think thundy is excellent but much easier to prepare for than the rest of tier 1 while also being somewhat less meta defining.

  • Tree - my nom

  • Heliodor - yes, twave only have 10% accuracy atm

  • Demantoid - Yes, twave missing makes me sad :I

Mew 1.5 -> 1
  • n10sit - yes

  • Lord Death Man - yes.

  • Tree - my nom

  • Heliodor - yes, proven good on duu tour

  • Demantoid - yes, best support mon available

Victini 1.5 -> 2
  • n10sit - yes - not necessarily better than entei and doesnt do great on its own

  • Lord Death Man - yes. Better on paper than in practice.

  • Tree - my nom

  • Heliodor - yes, have awful matchups vs most of tier 1 and 1.5, want to send this to tier 3 but alas

  • Demantoid - yes, pretty bad typing and can’t hit dragons well

Mega Abomasnow 2 -> 1.5
  • n10sit - no, grass/ice is still its typing lol

  • Lord Death Man - no.

  • Tree - my nom

  • Heliodor - no, its base is too frail and not really splashable

  • Demantoid - no, still loses to a lot of stuff and only works on certain teams

Porygon-Z 2 -> 1.5
  • n10sit - yes, most dominant set up mon not a mega or named azu

  • Lord Death Man - abstain.

  • Tree - my nom

  • Heliodor - yes, what u need is to avoid this from damage 1 turn and its become total nutty after boosts

  • Demantoid - yes, I originally nommed it here

Clefairy 3 -> 4
  • n10sit - yes it sucks

  • Lord Death Man - yes.

  • Tree - my nom

  • Heliodor - why use this over togekiss

  • Demantoid - yes, not too many spread attackers to give it a niche over togekiss and clefable

Entei 3 -> 2
  • n10sit - yes did super well in tour thanks to laga and my sample

  • Lord Death Man - yes.

  • Tree - my nom

  • Heliodor - yes, best fire type after xzard, but dont eat ur mega slot

  • Demantoid - yes, good fire type and extreme speed is really good on it

Rhyperior 3 -> 4
  • n10sit - no, is strong

  • Lord Death Man - no, on one hand I fully agree that Rhyperior should be mostly outclassed by Rhydon, but on the other hand I think the most popular Rhyperior sets are all the ones where it’s not.

  • Tree - my nom

  • Heliodor - Its not actually outclassed, Rhypherior have a slightly diffrent function with Rhydon, for example fast LO sets able to shred full tr teams while Rhydon not

  • Demantoid - No, very good on tr and can beat some common things out of it

Salamence 3 -> 4
  • n10sit - yes, this is kinda bad lol

  • Lord Death Man - yes. Mence has a place in the meta but it matches up somewhat poorly versus common team builds, especially in comparison to the other options for tailwind and the other options for dragons.

  • Tree - my nom

  • Heliodor - yes, its pretty awkward to use against those fairies redirectors and there are better tw setter, but being the only dragon that check zor completely is still a selling point

  • Demantoid - Yes, mence is :sobad:

Bruxish UR -> 4
  • n10sit - UR - unbelievable that u buttholes voted this to 4, it fucking blows

  • Lord Death Man - no.

  • Tree - my nom

  • Heliodor - abstain, i honestly only used bruxish for freeze drying krok

  • Demantoid - 4, while not an elite water bruxish is pretty cool

Incineroar 3 -> 2
  • n10sit - no, when it has intimidate yes

  • Lord Death Man - yes, feels consistently solid.

  • Tree - my nom

  • Heliodor - yes, ripping off tr is so damn good and the fire typing is valuable too

  • Demantoid - Yes, great tr check and helps in other match ups too

Magmar UR -> 4
  • n10sit - UR, too niche

  • Lord Death Man - abstain. Even after using this I’m unsure.

  • Tree - my nom

  • Heliodor - abstain

  • Demantoid - abstain

Nidoqueen UR -> 4
  • n10sit - i think nidoking is better and that they’re both UR

  • Lord Death Man - no.

  • Tree - my nom

  • Heliodor - yes, able to OHKO all of tier 1 and have wide coverage (and 4 mss), tree already mentioned on the nom why use it over nidoking (slower & bulkier)

  • Demantoid - Yes, very threatening and lives most neutral hits

Rhydon UR -> 3
  • n10sit - 4, great at being fat lightning rod

  • Lord Death Man - I agree with 4 for the same reason I disagree with Rhyperior being dropped. I think Rhydon can do a lot of things better than Rhyperior, but people don’t seem to be using either in those situations as far as I can tell.

  • Tree - my nom

  • Heliodor - 4, worse rypherior basically, but bulkier

  • Demantoid - 4

Tornadus UR -> 4
  • n10sit - abstain

  • Lord Death Man - yes, I think Tornadus can be kind of lackluster but it does offer a mostly unique niche that can also be incredibly useful versus certain team compositions.

  • Tree - my nom

  • Heliodor - yes, no one even bother to add flying resist in a team

  • Demantoid - yes, can use either defiant or prankster set to support team

Mega Aerodactyl 2 -> 3
  • n10sit - super tough for me, kinda wish there was a 2.5 for this mon specifically lol but i guess its probably more 3 than 2

  • Lord Death Man - 3. I love Mega Aero but it can really make you feel weak to several of the best team builds in the meta and is seriously stretched for moveslots.

  • Tree - yes, I’ve only used it on one team and was consistently underwhelmed

  • Heliodor - yes, a close call actually, fast skill slide is still good but current meta hate this mon

  • Demantoid - 3, it’s bulk makes me very sad


Results:
Thundurus
: Tier 1 -> Tier 1.5
Mew
: Tier 1.5 -> Tier 1
Victini
: Tier 1.5 -> Tier 2
Porygon-Z
: Tier 2 -> Tier 1.5
Clefairy
: Tier 3 -> Tier 4
Entei
: Tier 3 -> Tier 2
Salamence
: Tier 3 -> Tier 4
Incineroar
: Tier 3 -> Tier 2
Nidoqueen
: UR -> Tier 4 (vr council = basket cases)
Rhydon: UR -> Tier 4
Tornadus
: UR -> Tier 4
Mega Aerodactyl
: Tier 2 -> Tier 3
 
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#57
New DUU banlist:
Abomasnow-Mega, Aegislash, Aggron-Mega, Amoonguss, Arcanine, Banette-Mega, Blaziken-Mega, Bronzong, Camerupt-Mega, Celesteela, Charizard-Mega-Y, Deoxys-Attack, Diancie, Diancie-Mega, Excadrill, Ferrothorn, Gallade-Mega, Garchomp, Gardevoir-Mega, Gastrodon, Genesect, Gengar-Mega, Heatran, Hoopa-Unbound, Kartana, Kingdra, Kyurem-Black, Landorus-Therian, Lopunny-Mega, Ludicolo, Marowak-Alola, Marshadow, Manectric-Mega, Mawile-Mega, Metagross-Mega, Milotic, Mimikyu, Ninetales-Alola, Oranguru, Pelipper, Politoed, Porygon2, Salamence-Mega, Sceptile-Mega, Scrafty, Snorlax, Suicune, Swampert-Mega, Tapu Bulu, Tapu Fini, Tapu Koko, Tapu Lele, Tyranitar, Ubers, Volcanion, Volcarona, Weavile, Whimsicott, Zapdos, Zygarde

New drops:
Cresselia, Gigalith, Gyarados-Mega, Muk-Alola, Pheromosa, Rotom-Wash, Sylveon, Terrakion, Torkoal, Venusaur

Bans:
Bronzong, Ludicolo

edit: updated bc n10sucks
 
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#58
he still didn't get it right :eyeroll:

this is the duu banlist. we did not get megas that have not yet been out for 3 months. camel came out in july, etc.

'Aegislash', 'Amoonguss', 'Arcanine', 'Bronzong', 'Celesteela', 'Deoxys-Attack', 'Diancie', 'Excadrill', 'Ferrothorn', 'Garchomp',
'Gastrodon', 'Genesect', 'Heatran', 'Hoopa-Unbound', 'Jirachi', 'Kartana', 'Kingdra', 'Kyurem-Black', 'Landorus-Therian', 'Ludicolo',
'Marowak-Alola', 'Marshadow', 'Milotic', 'Mimikyu', 'Ninetales-Alola', 'Oranguru', 'Pelipper', 'Politoed',
'Porygon2', 'Scrafty', 'Snorlax', 'Suicune', 'Tapu Bulu', 'Tapu Fini', 'Tapu Koko', 'Tapu Lele',
'Tyranitar', 'Volcanion', 'Volcarona', 'Weavile', 'Whimsicott', 'Zapdos', 'Zygarde-Base',
'Aggronite', 'Altarianite', 'Ampharosite', 'Banettite', 'Cameruptite', 'Charizardite Y', 'Diancite', 'Galladite', 'Gardevoirite',
'Gengarite', 'Kangaskhanite', 'Latiasite', 'Latiosite', 'Lopunnite', 'Mawilite', 'Metagrossite', 'Salamencite', 'Swampertite',
 
#59
We also now have Blaziken-Mega, Greninja-Ash, Sceptile-Mega as new drops. I've been playing around with some of the new drops and thought I'd post my opinions.

Muk-Alola - I've been using an AV set on this, and I like it so far. It feels very consistent versus a lot of common special attackers, like Shaymin-Sky, Sylveon, Thundurus, and Abomasnow-Mega, easily dodging 3hkos from all of them, and is annoyingly hard to switch into because of Poison Touch + potential Knock Offs. I've been using a spread of 208 HP / 164+ Attack / 136 Special Defense, Brave, which makes it slower than Sylveon, able to live 3 specs spread Hyper Voices (and 3 LO Thunderbolts from Thundurus, plus a bunch of other attacks in that area) and able to live 1 adamant V-create from Victini, and I've been using a set of Gunk Shot / Knock Off / Shadow Sneak / Fire Blast to 2hko Mega Scizor. That being said, even though it checks Cress, it can't beat it for your team without help, which sucks.

Terrakion - Cool mon we had before, Rock Slide is as annoying as ever, and it's still hard to switch into. The meta is kind of unkind to rock types right now but I think Terrakion differentiates itself well enough and often feels threatening in many matchups from my point of view, though it has a lot of issues vs teams with any kind of speed control.

Cresselia - Super awful to face. It's horribly difficult to kill and can use it's open fourth slot to do a lot of different things, including utility options like Icy Wind, Thunder Wave, and Trick Room, or lures like HP Fire or Moonblast. It's almost impossible to OHKO and sticks around forever, especially because some of it's most prominent checks are new or sort of out of meta, like Gigalith and Bisharp.

Torkoal - I really like this thing on sun teams, it's really consistent vs non-Gigalith trick room which is something sun badly needed, and it makes Cress extra broken. It's good on it's own in trick room as well, and generally just feels like a nice addition to the meta.

Pheromosa - Before these drops I wanted this back badly because I often felt like it was Deoxys-N that fit my teams better, but now that we have it I find myself frustrated by it's lack of initial power relative to Deoxys-N, almost entirely because Pheramosa's strong fighting stabs absolutely suck. Sometimes it just absolutely crushes teams but most of the time it just feels like Deoxys-N with a different moveset. Beast Boost often feels like a bonus versus the team it's going to crush since it's so easily forced out, as well.

Venusaur-Mega - I also like this, it feels like it checks (or at least doesn't lose to) a whole lot of things and has the power to threaten quite a bit, including new drops like Terrakion and Pheramosa and old mons like Thundurus, Keldeo, and Azumarill.
 
#60
some noms, we are voting on new drops (and these) atm

Latios: Tier 1.5 -> 2

cress is now wholly a better psychic and so is mew, this faces competition in the dragon slot from hydreigon, and doesnt seem to provide the necessary power and team support for tier 1.5

Musharna: Tier 1.5 -> 2

This one saddens me, as I love the Z-TR and Musharna play, but poor showings in the DUU championship along with the addition of Cress may mean that Z-TR is not as strong as it once seemed.

Clefable: Tier 3 -> Tier 4

similar reasoning behind tree's clefairy nom earlier, but this sees even less usage than clefairy and i would almost like to vote this UR if it weren't for its viability vs. azumarill and zard x.

Nihilego: Tier 3 -> Tier 4

This has seen such little usage lately, especially in the duu tour, and now faces even more rock type competition with gigalith, so i think this deserves to fall.

Talonflame: Tier 4 -> UR
Tangela: Tier 4 -> UR

these are both garb, drop to UR
 
#61
double post! here's our VR votes on DUU's new additions and my above nominations. shout/out my council for playin duu a lot to figure these out

Cresselia UR -> ?
  • N10sit - 1 lol

  • Lord death man - 1 I think. Really good and can carry a lot of different options in it’s 4th slot to beat typical checks.

  • Heliodor - U R clown if u vote anything other than one

  • Demantoid - 1, CM Cress is :sogood:

  • Talkingtree - This is a very clear 1. Even if the only set it could run was CM/TR/Psyshock/Moonlight, it would be a strong candidate for 1. I’ve seen plenty of games end in CM Cress wars, but it can also support with Helping Hand, coverage moves, weather setting, Icy Wind, and whatever else the team needs

Gigalith UR -> ?
  • N10sit - 3, super solid tr attacker/setup with curse, rockium stone edge hits hard, has heavy slam to own sylv and other fairies, gets wide guard

  • Lord death man - 3, it’s got the bulk to be threatening outside of trick room, it’s a threat in trick room and provides one of the best answers to torkoal for trick room teams. I could see it going higher.

  • Heliodor - 3, solid torkoal check also a decent cress check, not relying for TR to do something and has wg

  • Demantoid - 3 Could definitely see this rising in the future due to good bulk and strong attacks

  • Talkingtree - 3 works for now, Wide Guard / sand to decrease Cress’ healing / decently strong attacks gives it a few niches and it handles them all well. Struggles with a poor matchup against Azu/Scizor, but it’s a great check to ZardX and helps the rest of the team check Cress

Mega Gyarados UR -> ?
  • N10sit - 3, incredibly strong dragon dancer just outclassed by zard x, u would only use this if you cant support zard x well enough

  • Lord death man - 3, I don’t think it’s as good as regular gyara but it’s cool.

  • Heliodor - 4, its pretty hard to fit onto teams, outclassed by reg gyara and zardx, and has pretty bad coverage

  • Demantoid - 3 Dark typing is good and it has good bulk but doesn’t have recovery. Not an elite water

  • Talkingtree - 3, worse typing than its non-mega forme and zardx but it’s still quite powerful and demands respect in its battles

Muk-Alola UR -> ?
  • N10sit - 3, great cress check and can be super strong with curse

  • Lord death man - 3, curse Muk is actually a huge threat.

  • Heliodor - 3, very solid cress check pretty similiar to lax, shame it doesnt have recycle

  • Demantoid - 3 good typing and bulk let it check quite a few things

  • Talkingtree - 3 seems fine for now, haven’t seen or used it enough to know for sure though

Pheromosa UR -> ?
  • N10sit - 3, amazing coverage coupled with moxie + insane speed, checks so many things in one set, just extremely frail and can be beaten without losing any momentum just by clicking protect correctly

  • Lord death man - 4, for similar reasons to what n10sit said, but I think it’s horrible fighting moves + extreme vulnerability to priority make it more tier 4. It’s hard to fit on teams unless you already have the bases covered.

  • Heliodor - 4, similiar to deo-n

  • Demantoid - 3 It’s similar to deoxys-n but I like it better because of U-Turn.

  • Talkingtree - 4, belongs with Deo-N, since it has a similar set of stats and it has the advantage of a better typing for attacking but the disadvantage of no great STAB nuke like Deo’s Psycho Boost

Rotom-Wash UR -> ?
  • N10sit - 4, ldm sums it up v well

  • Lord death man - 4, it’s a solid check to Azumarill, Gyarados, Entei, Krook, Scizor but it’s absolutely horrible vs Porygon Z, Latios, Mew, Cress, etc. Losing to something on every team sucks when it’s also one of the best mons on that team.

  • Heliodor - 4, like what ldm said, also twave now has 90% miss chance

  • Demantoid - 4 Isn’t bulky enough to check things very well. Not an elite water

  • Talkingtree - 4 seems fine for now, I’d probably run Protect-less and pinch berry with Tbolt/Hydro/two of (Wisp/TWave/Volt Switch/Toxic) to avoid giving too many free turns to things that LDM listed but it’s in an awkward place in the meta

Sylveon UR -> ?
  • N10sit - 3, still a strong hyper voice attacker

  • Lord death man - 3, meta does suck for sylveon but not nearly as bad as it could be, and redirector-oriented set-up spam hates having to play around hyper voices.

  • Heliodor - 2, specs hv are hard to switch in to and there are very few good fairy resists

  • Demantoid - 2 Not too many good fairy resists to sylveon but it is a little slow

  • Talkingtree - 2 for me, Specs Hyper Voice is incredible if you have some steel killers on the team. If Mega Scizor weren’t around this would be a far easier 2 or maybe even 1.5, but it’s still a pretty solid mon

Terrakion UR -> ?
  • N10sit - 4, so much psychic scizor azu stuff like this just has rock slide fighting coverage isnt a huge deal

  • Lord death man - 3 at least, it’s good but it’s absolutely killed by trick room and all the great mons faster than it. I think it’ll take a while to earn a spot higher.

  • Heliodor - 4, meta arent friendly

  • Demantoid - 4 Checked by a lot of things

  • Talkingtree - this meta is somehow even less kind to Terrakion than DOU imo. My gut reaction says 4

Torkoal UR -> ?
  • N10sit - 3 with gigalith, is checked by gigalith but this is basically the slowest mon in the format with sun boosted eruptions, insane under tr but needs tr up

  • Lord death man - 3, it’s good and it provides support to some good mons on trick room, like Cress (broken).

  • Heliodor - 2, fire are great typing and this thing is crazy in tr, also f 9tales

  • Demantoid - 3 good trick room attacker and an actually decent sun setter

  • Talkingtree - 3, my more experienced co-voters said it well

Venusaur UR -> ?
  • N10sit - used this some more and think its 4, fast sleep powder is only ok and its kinda weak

  • Lord death man - I think 4, it should probably be a step below Torkoal unless Torkoal is 4, it’s just not that useful.

  • Heliodor - 4, found out its pretty lit, just too bad sleep powder can miss

  • Demantoid - 4

  • Talkingtree - UR for now. seems usable in 4 but we might need to do some serious trimming of the lower rankings soon

Mega Venusaur UR -> ?
  • N10sit - 2, insanely fat and great typing + thick fat make this a great check to a ton of stuff

  • Lord death man - 2, it’s good versus so much and it never dies.

  • Heliodor - 2, extrathicc but also setup bait

  • Demantoid - 2, some things can set up on it but it has good matchups against most stuff

  • Talkingtree - 3, thick fat is a godsend but it could really use another three moveslots to be able to run sleep powder/giga drain/sludge bomb/leech seed/knock off/hp fire/protect. Being somewhat setup bait for Cress, Scizor, and ZardX is bleh

Latios 1.5 -> 2
  • N10sit - my nom

  • Lord death man - yeah it’s about as good as hydrei

  • Heliodor - cant decide, abstain

  • Demantoid - no, I still like it since it’s pretty fast so it checks stuff like keldeo and lando-i

  • Talkingtree - yes, read n10sit’s nom

Musharna 1.5 -> 2
  • N10sit - my nom

  • Lord death man - yes. The new drops both gave a redundant tr user and great options for other z-moves in tr.

  • Heliodor - yes, sharing same check like cress kinda hurt

  • Demantoid - yes, people preparing for cress make this less threatening

  • Talkingtree - yes, Cress exists now

Clefable 3 -> 4
  • N10sit - my nom

  • Lord death man - yes. Unaware would be cooler if it wasn’t 2hko’d or almost 2hko’d by most boosting mons anyway.

  • Heliodor - 3, unaware still come in clutch sometimes and it’ll 2hko what is supposed to

  • Demantoid - 3, I still think clefable has a niche on teams weak to set up spam

  • Talkingtree - no, unaware is still super cool and some extra options like toxic / flamethrower are neat for patching holes in a team

Nihilego 3 -> 4
  • N10sit - my nom

  • Lord death man - yes.

  • Heliodor - yes, t4 doesnt exist when we make it 3

  • Demantoid - yes, really bad physical bulk hurts it a lot

  • Talkingtree - yes but that’s the lowest I think it belongs

Talonflame 4 -> UR
  • N10sit - my nom

  • Lord death man - yes. I haven’t seen anyone use this successfully

  • Heliodor - rip burd

  • Demantoid - yes

  • Talkingtree - not entirely sure why this got 4 in the first place, UR it

Tangela 4 -> UR
  • N10sit - my nom

  • Lord death man - 4, sleep + redirection is still nice even if meta can be hostile to it.

  • Heliodor - 4, it may be outclassed by toge in many ways but its p bulky with eviolite and has sleep inducing move

  • Demantoid - 4, Did get decent usage in duu tour with a fair win %

  • Talkingtree - yep, we should wait until mons have actually proven useful before giving them a place in the future


Results:

Cresselia
: UR -> Tier 1
Gigalith
: UR -> Tier 3
Gyarados-Mega
: UR -> Tier 3
Muk-Alola
: UR -> Tier 3
Pheromosa
: UR -> Tier 4
Rotom-Wash
: UR -> Tier 4
Sylveon
: UR -> Tier 2
Terrakion
: UR -> Tier 4
Torkoal
: UR -> Tier 3
Venusaur
: UR -> Tier 4
Venusaur-Mega
: UR -> Tier 2
Latios
: Tier 1.5 -> Tier 2
Musharna
: Tier 1.5 -> Tier 2
Nihilego
: Tier 3 -> Tier 4
Talonflame
: Tier 4 -> UR
 
#62
We got some new drops (mega forms of Latios, Latias, Ampharos, Camerupt, Altaria, and Aggron I think are it) and I think Camerupt-Mega is worth ranking and the others aren't so I thought I'd nominate it.

Camerupt-Mega from UR to Tier 2.

I think Camerupt is very similar to Abomasnow but with several useful points in it's favor and should probably be ranked alongside Abomasnow in the current meta; while Abomasnow has an arguably better stab combination, priority, bulk, and hail chip damage, Camerupt has better defensive typing and more power thanks to a higher special attack stat + sheer force. Camerupt also outslows essentially everything relevant, tying with Torkoal, which is really nice for trick room. Camerupt benefits from two excellent additions to trick room we've gotten since the DUU tour, Torkoal and Gigalith, while Abomasnow clashes with both (and loses to both).

It also isn't as susceptible to random Overheat/Fire Blast lures (meant for Mzor) as Abomasnow, and hydro pump doesn't have nearly the distribution.

That being said, I don't think it's better than Abomasnow quite yet.
 
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#63
hi, we did a quick vote on mega camel since we probably wont vote on anything/have more noms anytime soon:

[1:10 PM] n10sit: also since i cant imagine we're voting on noms anytime soon do u guys wanna do a quick yes/no for mega camel -> 2


[1:10 PM] n10sit: im a yes


[1:10 PM] n10sit: @everyone


[1:17 PM] lord death man: yes


[1:21 PM] MrOutstandingMan1: I'm fine with that


[1:22 PM] n10sit: ok thats a majority


Mega Camerupt: UR -> Tier 2

also: we need sample teams that better reflect what the metagame looks like since the recent drops (see: cress) so post teams itt please and thank you!!!!!!
 
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#64
I was originally intending on not making any nominations until USUM come out, but I think the placement of a few mons is kind of off.

Pheromosa Tier 4 > Tier 3. This is by far the most threatening mon in Tier 4. Relative to Deoxys, it's coverage is just that much better and I vastly underestimated how good it is or would be when we initially ranked it.

Serperior Tier 3 > Tier 4. This was placed in tier 3 before we had a tier 4 and then stayed there despite the meta getting increasingly hostile to it. It struggles to break down bulky teams and more offensive builds are usually much more scared of Shaymin.
 
#65
With USUM right around the corner, I figured it'd be as good a time as any to do a team dump. These teams may only been good for 2 more weeks, but hopefully can still inspire some USUM builds, especially when we get our new drops next month. Also, I peaked the ladder with an assortment of these teams. Teams will be listed in order of most recent to least recent, and a short description will be included in the paste.




http://pokepast.es/7649c9d934bf57f6


http://pokepast.es/cdd4f6fddc180ee3


http://pokepast.es/d079cbf7ab2bcdf0


http://pokepast.es/f625e7a3ac4672aa


http://pokepast.es/4811fee2d5e2f742


http://pokepast.es/625b42e8ac7ee340


http://pokepast.es/909602b99ee12f9f


http://pokepast.es/8e0a28e119451416


http://pokepast.es/78ab123f629a00


http://pokepast.es/bf6c0d4d34c24d50

have fun with these y'all
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I also want to make a few of my own nominations for VR

Tsareena 4 -> 3 metagame is so priority prominent, ladder loves its prio bs, so tsareena is a great mon in so many teams. helps so much vs azu and thund, makes scizor reconsider its plays, etc.
 
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#66
I thought I'd post a few teams.

Proof of peak.


Latias-Mega Baton Pass.

http://pokepast.es/9d9336c16a21eff4

The goal is to work towards passing an Iron Defense + at least one speed boost to Latias, who can then tear open the majority of teams; those plus a Calm Mind give Latias a 120 base power stab, which is usually more than enough for most situations. This team is relatively weak to: Darkrai and Pheromosa, who are some of the few serious threats to a boosted Latias; Taunt, which shuts down Latias's ability to Recover; Bisharp, which can bait a boost; Roar, because you can't do anything about it; Random Toxics, because then you just lose.

Stored Power ensures Latias beats Cresselia eventually.

A single bad play also kills it, but this team is a ton of fun.


Latios-Mega Offense

http://pokepast.es/40dad9297169ec64

This team originally had Soul Dew Latios but it struck me that the mega stone was, for the most part, the same thing but mostly better in this situation. Getting an Azumarill sweep is a major priority, but the team can function without Azu ever sweeping - it still hits decently hard all things considered - and features a decent mix of relatively bulky, relatively strong attackers to clear the way.

Weak to: Cresselia, some Trick Room offense, Pheromosa, strong speed control.


Victini Semi-room / balance.

http://pokepast.es/29833fbe788943c6

Last slot is optional; you can very easily fit any tailwind user, or a second trick room user and remove the speed evs. I actually used a bulky Scizor spread most. Other cool choices for that slot: Skymin, Terrakion, Pheromosa, Hydreigon, Gengar, Buzzwole, Tornadus, Kyurem, Thundurus, any scarfer. Scizor's spread lets it live a Gigavolt Havok from Thundurus, and a All-Out Pummeling from Terrakion while still 3hkoing lefties Cresselia. Victini's spread, similarly, lets it live quite a few super effective hits so it can get to breaking down teams with V-create, without losing damage that it badly needs; unfortunately, +2 V-create can still fail to ohko some greater defensive threats, so rocks are often important.

I chose Quick Attack over CM on sub Sylveon because this team feels rather weak to a lot of mons that regularly carry Focus Sash, and ensuring that they die felt important.

Weak to: Semi-room teams with a harsher balance between fast/slow; getting haxed; Deoxys; weird shit; Thundurus, especially HP Flying or like, z-fly or something crazy; Tornadus; Aerodactyl-Mega; Cresselia; Sp Def Victini; Landorus.
 
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#67
The team I used to peak the ladder multiple times with ease: https://imgur.com/a/oLTCN

Gyarados-Mega Offense:



Fried Shrimp (Gyarados) (M) @ Gyaradosite
Ability: Intimidate
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Protect
- Dragon Dance
- Waterfall
- Crunch

Mew Mew (Raikou) @ Electrium Z
Ability: Pressure
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Reflect
- Snarl
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Thunderbolt

Beyblade (Hitmontop) @ Eject Button
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Fake Out
- Quick Guard
- Helping Hand
- Close Combat

Emirates (Latios) @ Life Orb
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Protect
- Tailwind
- Psychic
- Draco Meteor

Health Care (Togekiss) @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Follow Me
- Tailwind
- Safeguard
- Air Slash

Vendetta (Victini) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Victory Star
EVs: 156 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 96 Spe
Adamant Nature
- V-create
- Bolt Strike
- U-turn
- Final Gambit

The team was made with the objective of tackling the meta threats, and the first few Pokemon that came to my mind was Mew/Musharna/Mega-Char-X. Gyarados was chosen as the Mega of the team since it handles these threats rather well. I was worried about opposing Water-type Pokemon like Blastoise/Primarina walling me, and decided to try out Raikou. Raikou works surprisingly well in this meta, as it can OHKO Togekiss and any Water-type Pokemon with Z-Move, can provide Snarl support, and sets up Reflect, which when combined with two Intimidate users increases your defensive capabilities a lot. HP Fire is my tech of choice to deal with Scizor which is quite common in the meta-game. Naturally, I needed an out to Azumarill + redirection, and something to help set up Dragon Dance on Gyarados. Togekiss and Hitmontop with Quick Guard serves this role perfectly. Helping Hand boosted Crunch can OHKO M-Slowbro and deal a huge chunk to Cresselia (OHKO if at +1). Due to how common Mega-Charizard X is, I figured I needed another out, and Latios seemed like a good addition that can also take down annoying threats like Blaziken/Conkeldurr/Terrakion/Hitmontop etc, while also serving as a secondary Tailwind setter. Finally, Scarf Victini with Final Gambit was added to take down faster threats quickly, and to deal with Scizor and Grass-types better. U-Turn + Eject Button on Hitmontop helps with positioning to maintain momentum.

Most of the EV's are standard spread taken from the damage calculator, with Victini being an exception as its HP EV's allows it to OHKO any Pokemon with a base HP of 88 or below with Final Gambit, as Choice Scarf makes up for its lack of Speed EV's.

Common Leads:

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The classic bread & butter lead aimed at setting up Dragon Dance as soon as possible. Eject Button helps me get a rather safe switch in to my offensive Pokemon like Raikou and Latios. This is mostly recommended vs TR oriented teams. Safeguard Togekiss is the safer choice vs potential Z-TR, since their setter then becomes a liability.

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My Anti-CharX set up lead. Gigavolt Havoc OHKO's Togekiss while Latios either sets up Tailwind or proceeds to OHKO their Mega. The offensive coverage is strong enough to handle threats like Scizor/Musharna/Breloom, while I have also have the option to set up a Reflect early game which helps my own set up strategy later on.

Other leads include Victini + Gyarados which works similar to the initial leads, or Raikou/Latios + Hitmontop to set up Reflect/Tailwind depending on your opponent's team.