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DP Battle Tower Records

Discussion in 'Smogon's Greatest Hits' started by Peterko, Sep 20, 2007.

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  1. Lee

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    Haha Hobbes, it's odd you should say that. I once found my Tauros locked into Return as the opponent sent out his last Poke - Steelix. I was about ready to quit, but started hitting the button in defiance. Tauros eventually beat down Steelix, taking plenty of Rock Tombs in the process.

    I'm about ready to start another Battle Tower adventure, hoping to beat my old record of 104.

    I just have a quick question first. Is anybody familar on how the Battle Tower AI reacts to Shedinja? I've fallen in love with the little guy lately and would like to use him, but I shan't bother if the AI are just idiots and sit there hitting him with Thunderbolt all day. No fun in that. Will they switch?
  2. pre

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    I remember back in Emerald in the Factory I had a Steelix (Roar/EQ/RockTomb?/Protect? I forget lol) vs. the dumb DT/Sing/Toxic/SoftBoiled Blissey in the battle vs. the Factory head! That was an epic struggle war where i barely survived due to Steelix's Sitrus Berry lmao. I have it saved under that record function in my Frontier Card. Can anyone tell me how it was sooo much easier to get 6 golds (I'll get that last gold soon...) than it is to beat this freaking tower in DP?

    About Shedinja, I would assume that the BT would know what to use against it, as there have been cases where people hack spiritombs and the BT spawns Fire Fang-ers to kill it down.

    - hobbes
  3. Jumpman16

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    I had a feeling you were up to something, lol. Congrats. This is why I asked you if you really though your old team with Metagross was the best, considering its STAB attack in MM is literally bound to miss eventually and screw you over at the worst time. This is a great team, and I'm glad you've raised the bar.

    But, though I am in no position to nitpick you, I'm wonder why you didn't just Shadow Ball that lead Armaldo with Gengar. You do a minimum of 56% to two of the four, can 2HKO the 252 SpD EV one a fraction of the time accounting for SpD drops (you do up to 50.53% assuming Lv100, I'm not calcing Lv50 damage nor do I think that changes much), and in general I would think that attacking straight up is your best course of action. Did you Counter straight up?
  4. Bran

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    Best I have done is achieve a 48 win streak in the multi-battle tower. I used Expert_Evan's Marowak to lead and a Timid Raikou with HP Ice. The Raikou was obtained on the GTS, but with IV's of 30/30/30/31/31/31, it's leans too much as a hack, but I still used it. Anyway, I opened every match with Marowak, and chose the partner that opened with a flying type so I could Earthquake the field. Had a bad break on match #49, with my earthquake missing one pokemon (was holding a bright powder; earthquake doesn't miss on a non-sandstorm Garchomp), and a bad critical hit on Raikou.
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    I used Counter for my first move against Armaldo but you're right I should have used Shadow Ball. Armaldo is usually not a threat so I didn't really remember what its possible movesets were and I usually just go with my memory instead of looking up the Pokemon in the table.
  6. Tyranitar.armaldo

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    Best I did was 69. I got beating by a haxing Umbreon (one double team and all my attacks fail). I was useing a Yanmega, Garchomp and Cresselia.
  7. Little Green Yoda

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    Ugh. I was rolling in the Multi rooms (43 wins) with CBraptor and Sniperdra until I got Quick Claw'd 3 times by an opposing Metagross and my Pokemon got wailed on while my partner's Pokemon did nothing except spam DT with an occasional Psychic against Metagross.
  8. kingofgames

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    Yoda, in Multi Battle, (the one where you partner up with someone)

    Use GENGAR, and Bronzong, and choose the AI that uses Earthquake
    It works around battle 35+
  9. Little Green Yoda

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    That sounds like a good idea. Early on, my partner always held back on using EQ (opting for Stone Edge, etc. instead) if I switched in Kingdra. But in the set prior to my loss, my partner's Garchomp would spam EQ regardless if I got hit or not. Needless to say, Kingdra took a lot of damage that round.

    I need to complete some more ingame stuff to unlock more partners though. I only have Riley and Cheryl available right now.
  10. kingofgames

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    You should try to get the little Pink haired girl, and Mairley, those two are really good
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    Though you can look it up quickly, for Marley, complete the event on the extra path out of Victory Road (the one that was blocked off when you went through the first time.) For Mira, the little pink-haired girl, go through Wayward Cave to the end and escort her to the entrance. For Buck (who sucks as a partner), complete the Stark Mountain scenario.

    Riley uses mostly physical attackers. Mira uses special attackers. Buck uses defense-oriented Pokémon, Cheryl uses special defense ones, and Marley uses the speedy ones. Riley, Mira, and Marley are the best ones to partner up with, depending on what your two Pokémon are. Hope this helps someone.
  12. Peterko

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    updated after exactly 4 months on my birthday, I apologize

    I´m not dead and wasn´t dead, I was still reading some smogon stuff once in a while, but I´m pretty exhausted when I come back home from work (junior lawyer) and don´t feel like surfing through the i-net after sitting around 8 hrs in front of the PC at work...

    congrats TRE those records are crazy, but they motivate me ;)

    to be honest I started playing pkmn again last week (after 4 months) hoping to get #1 in single tower and it went pretty well, I rarely used the moveset list in that run, but I lost battle #147 (yeah this was like a day before TRE posted his single battle record) because of a not flawlessly played game...my team was SD yache garchomp, sash azelf and curselax and I lost to QC granbull and gallade (outrage didn´t 2hko bull, psychic didn´t 2hko gallade and then I attacked the red HP gallade who d-bonded although I knew its set ._., should´ve switched out turn 1 anyway)

    after that I lost at #85 against a CH whoring hypno hypno and granbull again, 1-2 and NP azelf KOed granbull, guess what came last, scarf absol ._.

    I want to try a gengar and started to breed a timid one on my emerald (bred only hasty gars before and can only evolve it with emerald/sapphire because of 2 GBA SP´s)...funny thing I got a shiny after like 15 eggs


    anyway, hope to update more frequently in the future, good luck in your tower runs pokémaniacs ;)
  13. kingofgames

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    Welcome back to the Forum and to the fray. Good luck in your Battle tower fights.
  14. Blue Harvest

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    I've found Marley to suck. But yeah, the pink haired girl is really good.
  15. kingofgames

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    Marley helped me out alot

    Aerodactyl and Weavile are the two that really helps

    Sceptile is good when speed is needed to complete your team
  16. Havak

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    I tried TRE's 330 Team and lost to the Rain Dance/Thunder/Calm Mind Raikou =/ Parahacks on Blissey and it just went downhill from there, though I did manage to get Raikou in what I thought would be KO range before it finished off Blissey for good, so I tried to score a KO with Froslass... only to leave the Raikou with minimal HP.

    I threw Gengar back in and managed to finish off Raikou, yeh, maybe I should've gone with Gengar first. Latias came out next, which I managed to take down with Gengar, but Electivire after that beat Gengar, Shadow Ball couldn't OHKO.

    Lost on 59, my worst run yet :(

    I'll think about what I'm doing more next time, when I can be bothered to make my 10th attempt.
  17. Peterko

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    OK my policy was "trust the records that people post" until now, I won´t change this policy but modify it a bit

    everyone who makes TOP 3 in one of the lists has to post a pic. of his/her ingame screen which shows the record, unless I (and others) feel he/she is trustworthy enough

    the first one is kingofgames, the circumstances of your record are a bit suspicious, I wouldn´t mind but other people don´t believe that you really achieved exactly 177 wins, so please give us proof that you did get that far (I´m not deleting you from the list now, but I will if you don´t prove it´s real - in an appropriate time period)

    also Xaio posted a 300-320 record in the other BT topic some time ago, I won´t put you on the list unless you post the exact number of wins (this goes for everyone) and post a pic. as proof
  18. kingofgames

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    Alright, I'll take a picture of it, but its going to be pretty hard considering I dont have a digital camera, but only a webcam.

    I'll see if I can get a picture by today though.

    Edit: Why do you think its suspicious? If you dont think its legit, I'll use a different team I'm working on

    Edit 2: Just took a picture, but you cant see the screen, all you see is a bright light
  19. M4GNITUDE

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    Right now, I'm at 35 with a Tangrowth, Heatran, Cloyster, and Rampardos.

    If I get over 100, I will post a pic of it.


    EDIT:

    It's double battle by the way.
  20. Team Rocket Elite

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  21. Jumpman16

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    Ugh, warstory time.

    Starmie leads off against Snorlax, which is the easiest switch in the world to Tyranitar, as it's probably the Curse/Rest/Return/Rock Slide@Chesto Lax that someone else pointed out is the only one you seem to see. This Lax has never beaten Tyra straight up, as I always force it to Rest before it can think of attacking me. I guess I forgot that strategy was to Crunch first and ask questions (DD) later, and don't do enough with the first Crunch (switch, Curse, DD, Curse, Crunch, Curse) to stop it from attacking me on turn 4.

    It Returns taking me to 64% and I Crunch, taking it under 50% thankfully so it has to Rest the next run, but I still don't like how this is unfolding. Of course, none of my Crunches either drop Def or CH and honestly I have lowered Defense about 5% of the time with Tyranitar, probably less, and this very Snorlax is the pokemon that's let me "test" that over the course of my ~500 battles with this team. Anyway, I only do like ~23% as it Curses again (it would have anyway), and my next Crunch does around 15% as its Return does a crapload of damage...but leaves me with 10%. Thanks to Sand Stream it's right around 50% and I have a decision to make. As I just alluded to, 50% is around where I know it will choose to Rest at the beginning of the turn, but I can't be sure it will Rest. If it does, I will have been smart to DD then fire off three Crunch in a row that will do around 22% each I guess, which with Sand Stream damage will have it under 50% the turn it wakes up and therefore in the "Rest loop" that's allowed me to beat it without much trouble so many times before. If it doesn't Rest and I DD, it will be at around 44% with Starmie and Garchomp left to deal with it. Not promising, especially when I remember that even a yellow HP bar can indicate 50% or slightly more HP...so the decision is set and I Crunch.

    I was right, as it did Return me for the KO, but was at 35% thanks to that, and then under 30% when Starmie comes out at the end of the turn, both taking the much-needed Sandstorm damage. This Lax is EVed in HP and Def and Adamant, so it's not the competitive standard "Special Wall" we're used to and I'm pretty confident Starmie can KO with Surf before it can Rest. It thankfully does and Lax is does and it's 2-2. Out comes...Dusknoir, one of the worst pokemon to see with no Tyranitar. Starmie can only go toe-to-toe with one of them, so I have to switch Garchomp into the Shadow Punch, which won't miss so I can't hope for "Sand Veil hax". Now, I just took off Crunch in favor of AA a few weeks ago, and I kind of wish I had it now to ensure a 2HKO where EQ may fail. Matters aren't helped by Dusknoir's next Shadow Punch not only not missing, but CHing as well. One of the two Dusknoir with Shadow Punch also had Ice Punch, which would have sucked, but while that would have hit for 300 Effective Base Power, he Shadow Punch from what I now know is the Muscle Band Dusknoir hit for 198 EBP and took me to 36HP as I EQ it to about 45%. I'm sure glad I trained it for so many HP EVs, and I kill it the next turn. So out comes...my dopplegänger in a for Garchomp. Very, very lame, and definitely a pokemon I hate switching into. I have to switch to Starmie though, and I'm glad I was able to kill off Lax with one Surf or else I may not have been able to take the Dragon Claw. However, it's the Jolly, 169 speed Focus Sash Garchomp since it did use Dragon Claw and according to the database, and Modest Starmie can only reach 167 speed in the DB. I'm feeling the heat now since I know it's going to take me out with Dragon Claw now and I'll have to settle for it missing my Garchomp with Dragon Claw. Miraculously, though, I go first with Ice Beam and hit, confirming its Sash. There's gotta be an error in the DB, since you'd think the AI would have 31 IVs after battle 49. I'll take it though, as I've had a distinct lack of luck in this battle (no Tyra Crunch Def drops or CHes, Dusknoir CH). I still have a 20% chance of losing though thanks to Sand Veil...or so I thought before I remembered what minutes before I wished I had not had on my Garchomp in favor of Crunch, which was the AA that would seal my victory (fuck off, Sand Veil). Definitely one of the closest battles I've had in the BT.

    Around 6-7 weeks ago I retrained the F Tyranitar: 25 - 26 / 24 - 25 / 31 / 18 - 19 / 30 / 31 I'd been "satisfied with" for over seven months because I was suddenly struck with the guilt of accepting what could have been 24 attack, which by my standards is honestly shitty. But a combination of me having been tired of breeding (I'd just spent three straight weeks on CBtar for the BT when I learned that DD would be better) and 30 or 31 in all the other stats but the "respectable" HP made me stop back in June. But I did rebreed (which is funny because I honestly hadn't played much BT from September to January at all) for this: Jolly #246 Larvitar: 30 / 31 / 30 / 17 / 23 / 31, and I am bringing this up because I am positive that those Atk IVs are the reason Starmie was able to take out Lax with one Surf. With a 24 Atk IV I am missing percentage points on Lax that could ultimately cost me when Starmie can't kill it and it can Rest meaning Starmie is losing crucial hit points to Sandstorm damage, or, worse, meaning Lax can Return for the OHKO. I'm still confident in my team, though, since if I Crunch straight up against Lax I beat it heads up, allowing myself the DD or two (or three or four) necessary to sweep the upcoming Dusknoir and Garchomp (without Sand Veil Hax that is but it'd need at least four activations of that with a Tyraniar it's not guaranteed to OHKO and a Starmie and Garchomp it definitely can't).

    Anyway I'm not telling you where my streak is now, just be sure that it's somewhere in between 100 and 330, lol. The morals of Smogon's latest Jumpman Wall of Words are: don't settle for "just good" pokemon, and don't let Curselax set up at all, period!

    oh and kingofgames, your 177 streak is a little suspect because I am not sure how you go from "I only wanted my name to be out there on that charts." to " I wonder if I kept going, would I have been able to beat TRE"? That 100% does not make any sense to me...if you know of the "charts", you know who's at #1 and how many wins he or she has...it's just too much of a coincidence that you chose 177 to run in the middle of a battle (which in itself is kind of iffy for reasons already mentioned)
  22. kingofgames

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    I joined Smogon because Nintendo Forums died, and I wanted to continue to talk about pokemon.
    Since I was still doing the Battle tower, and saw the topic about it, I decided to do the Battle Tower.
    I initially only wanted to do the Multi Battle to get my name up there, and saw that I was already "eligible" to be placed up there.

    So I tried my hand at Single Battle, and did it.
    If you like to think that I'm not legit, go adhead, I gave you the team and whatnot. I WOULD give you a screenshot, but I dont have a digital camera.
    I have a screenshot of the score, but its too "blury" and bright to make out any text
  23. Taylor

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    I really enjoyed that story, Jump. The way you wrote that out with a negative attitude which made me think you were losing it all the way. I'm inspired.

    As for my Battle Tower progress...there isn't much. I've been really impatient with thinking decisions out, evidently costing me game after game . I mean, I always look back at a battle I lose and say to myself: "I could have won that if I did this one move instead of that". I rarely come accross hax that will send me out of the BT, it's all down to my carelesness play throughout my matches. I need to start concentrating more, instead of multi-tasking (which I blame my lack of concentration on, ^_~).

    I will keep trying different combinations.
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    here's gotta be an error in the DB, since you'd think the AI would have 31 IVs after battle 49.

    I'm not sure exactly how the IVs are determined for the CPU's Pokemon, but it's not always straight 31s. It might be like the Emerald Battle Frontier where the IVs are based of the trainer you fight. Some of them use Pokemon with straight 31s, some don't. If it's like Emerald, the lower IVs will be around 20.
  25. Peterko

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    I´m 100% sure that the 49+ is not the level at which all foe´s pkmn have perfect IVs...maybe I wrote this earlier somewhere, but in one of my runs I´ve written down the damages the oponent did to my pokémon (weren´t many because in the early rounds starmie is like 19-0) and then I tried to determine the IVs from the damage (it´s not very hard but takes time)

    the result was no clear result (more tests need to be done)

    during this I also found out that some of the EV spreads/personalities in the moveset list are incorrect (my private list has actual lv.50 stats I recalced from the original moveset list spreads/personalities - this helps with quick and accurate damage calcs btw.), some of the damages done were impossible with the original moveset list spreads/perso...

    the tycoon has flawless IV pokémon though, I guess this is nothing astounding

    so...I´ll probably start writing down some more damages to determine this, because it´s one of those things that I´d like to know (it was quite easy to determine it in emerald)...if anyone else feels like they can write down stuff during a stressful situation like a BT battle (it is when you have a nice long streak to lose ;) ), then do so an post here

    1. # battle
    2. (foe) attacking pokémon + move used
    3. (your) defending pokémon´s defense/sp.def and
    4. exact damage done
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