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DP Battle Tower Records

Discussion in 'Smogon's Greatest Hits' started by Peterko, Sep 20, 2007.

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  1. Jumpman16

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    This may not be quite nearly as helpful as TRE and Peterko's researching efforts, but I think I've uncovered something pretty important regarding the stats of the AI pokes. In battle like 68 or something, I Switched a Donphan that then used Fissure and missed my Lopunny, then I Charmed to weaken the inevitable Struggles as I set up Latios. After I Sub and CM, it takes three Struggles to break my Sub...but then the fourth Struggle kills it after I Sub again. Struggle, of course, does 25% damage to the Struggling poke every time

    [13:27] <@Jumpman16> hm, HP has to be exactly divisible by four for exactly four Struggles to kill at 100% HP, right?
    [13:28] <+Mekkah> yah
    [13:28] <@Jumpman16> that's interesting
    [13:28] <@Jumpman16> 835 Donphan Brave Quick Claw Fissure Earthquake Poison Jab Gyro Ball HP/Sp. Def
    [13:28] <@Jumpman16> this just died to exactly four struggles

    [13:30] <@Jumpman16> and with 252 EVs in HP, like it's supposed to have
    [13:30] <+Mekkah> well he has max hp right
    [13:30] <@Jumpman16> and a 31 IV
    [13:30] <@Jumpman16> its HP is 197
    [13:30] <@Jumpman16> with a 15 IV
    [13:30] <@Jumpman16> it's 189
    [13:30] <@Jumpman16> 0 IV = 181

    [13:30] <@Jumpman16> isn't that odd (LOL PUN)
    [13:31] <+Mekkah> so variable ivs?
    [13:31] <@Jumpman16> unless shoddy is wrong, it must be


    I said 31, 15 and 0 IV because in the Emerald Battle Tower, if I remember correctly, these were the three possibilities of IVs for the AI pokes. I used Shoddy to check the Lv50 HP stats of Donphan, so unless there's a flaw in how Shoddy calculates stats (extremely unlikely), then it may very well be the case that AI IVs are generated at random.

    Granted, it may also be the case that IVs are Trainer specific like TRE has shown the pokemon themselves are pretty much, or that HP is the only AI IV that is generated at random (not very likely even if HP is the only stat that can't be influenced by Nature), but at any rate, there is now no reason to assume that you're always up against a 31 IV poke. Now, you probably should anyway of course, but this is a very interesting revelation nonetheless. And for what it's worth, to this day my Latios has never ever been outsped via Speed tie by any 110 Base Speed poke you'll see after battle 49 (Gengar, Froslass, Latios, Latias, Tauros and Espeon), and there are nine such pokemon.

    The only other explanation for this would be random EVs (random from the EVs spreads listed in the BT database that is), but I don't even know how you'd go about figuring that one out while also being sure that IVs as well aren't random. In fact, considering that virtually all attacking moves case random damage (85-100% of maximum), there was probably no way to have determined this fact about the DP AI pokes' IVs without using Seismic Toss or Night Shade on something that, given the database EVs spreads, is supposed to have exactly 150 or 200 HP. With further research, a 31 IV, 0 HP EV Gliscor is supposed to have exactly 150 HP at Lv50, but two of the spreads give it HP EVs. Maybe fighting this one:

    577 Gliscor Jolly Yache Berry Earthquake Guillotine Poison Jab Thunder Fang Atk/Speed

    with an Impish, Rest Night Shade Dusknoir so you don't get haxed by Guillotine or killed by EQ would solidify the answer, but better still would be using the Speed stat to figure this out once and for all, though that could be inconclusive since we're under the impression Natures are random too.

    If it were the case that only IVs but neither EVs spreads nor Natures, according to the BT database, were variable, Weavile would need a speed IV of 3 or higher to always outspeed my Latios, assuming the 252 Speed EVs and Jolly Nature that are given for three of the four Weavile. To my memory I seriously cannot remember yet being outsped by Weavile heads up with my Latios (252 Speed EVs, 31 Speed IV), and if IVs are indeed "random," it's a 90.625% chance that one of those Weavile would have outsped my Latios by now. I've faced at least five so far with my Latios (though one used Ice Shard on my unluckily unSubbed Latios as briefly detailed a few posts ago lol), and if the other four were indeed the listed Jolly, 252 Speed EV but with a random Speed IV, the chance that none of the four have outsped me yet is 0.0079%.

    Though TRE's work with matching the trainer to the pokemon would have been very helpful in determining this by now (as for all I know I've faced the retarded Brave Metal Claw one every time besides the Ice Shard one once), it's therefore pretty safe to say that there's a much better chance that, considering IVs and EVs, IVs are definitely random while EVs (according the the BT database) may or may not be (though Nature may still be the only variable between EVs, IV and Nature for the non-HP stats).

    hey im earning my researcher badge i guess maybe
  2. Team Rocket Elite

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    According to Pokemon Forever, the Emerald Battle Frontier trainers could have Pokemon with IVs of 3, 6, 9, 12, 15, 18, 21 or 31. The magic number here is 21. I'm certain Pokemon with IV21 could appear in late game Emerald Battle Frontier(excluding Battle Factory). If we assume this also applies to DP Tower, that Donphan could have has a HP IV of 21. With a EV of 255, that makes 192 HP which is a multiple of 4.

    Any chance you remember what trainer type you fought? If DP is following Emerald it should be a Camper, Picnicker or Pokemon Breeder.
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  4. Team Rocket Elite

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    There are some things in the DP Battle Tower to seem releated to the Emerald Battle Frontier.

    In the Emerald Battle Frontier there are 307 trainers. The first 300 are regular trainers while the last 7 are the Frontier Brains. If you go by the order the trainers are listed in the game's data.

    Trainers from 1 to 100 have Pokemon with IVs of 3
    Trainers from 101 to 120 have Pokemon with IVs of 6
    Trainers from 121 to 140 have Pokemon with IVs of 9
    Trainers from 141 to 160 have Pokemon with IVs of 12
    Trainers from 161 to 180 have Pokemon with IVs of 15
    Trainers from 181 to 200 have Pokemon with IVs of 18
    Trainers from 201 to 220 have Pokemon with IVs of 21
    Trainers from 221 to 300 have Pokemon with IVs of 31
    Trainers from 301 to 307 also have straight 31s which is expected since they are the Frontier Brains.

    I'm not totally sure on this but I believe in late game Battle Frontier, only trainers 201-300 appear(and the Frontier Brain sometimes).


    In the DP Battle Tower there are also 307 trainers. The first 300 are regular trainers. 301 to 305 are your CPU ally in Multi Battle Tower. 306 is the first Palmer fight. 307 is the second Palmer fight.

    In Battles 1-6 you fight trainers 1-100
    In Battles 8-13 you fight trainers 1-120
    In Battles 15-20 you fight trainers 101-140
    In Battles 22-27 you fight trainers 121-160
    In Battles 29-34 you fight trainers 141-180
    In Battles 36-41 you fight trainers 161-200
    In Battles 43-48 you fight trainers 181-220
    In Battles 50 you fight trainers 201-300

    The 7th trainer in each run uses a slightly different set of Pokemon. I have rough idea of how it works, but I'm not too sure. Battle 21 is always trainer 306(first Palmer) and Battle 49 is always trainer 307(second Palmer) if you are playing Single Battle Tower.

    In both DP and Emerald, you fight trainers 201-300 in the late game. The Battle Tower also seems to treat the first 100 trainers as a set, the next six sets of 20 as individual sets and the last 80 as a set similar to Emerald. It wouldn't surprise me if the IV divisions were on the same lines.
  5. Peterko

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    well, from writing down the damages done to my pokémon and calculating the possible stats/IVs of the foe I have proof that natures are random to an extent in DP tower (which is a difference from Emerald I believe), so that´s why your latios Jump almost never gets outsped by +speed base 110 pokémon, 4/25 to have +speed nature and still you can be facing a non 31 IV pokémon....

    TRE saying it could have something to do with the type of the trainer or a group of trainers is very interesting, I thought it had only something to do with the # battle you´re in and that was the reason why I focused only on the # battle and pokémon and sets and didn´t write down the trainers as well, but I´m gonna write down the trainers next time as well (planned to anyway to have some kind of tower journal)

    anyway, TRE, I´m pretty sure that in battles #50-56 there are still non flawless pokémon...which collides with your trainer 201-300 trainer theory all having 31´s unless you can face also other trainers after #49

    EDIT: here are all the damages I wrote down a few months ago, unfortunately X-Act didn´t have time to recalc. all of them for me (he´s way faster at this)...

    defending pokémon:
    84 def/178 sD thick fat snorlax
    104 def/102 sD starmie
    115 def/106 sD yache berry garchomp

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    30
    kangaskhan (rash, 0)
    - mega punch CH 103 starmie

    31
    kangaskhan (impish, 255)
    - double hit 31,27,30,27 garchomp
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    36
    gastrodon (sassy 170 or 0)
    - mud bomb 45,49 starmie

    40
    poliwrath (adamant, 255 or timid,170)
    - earthquake CH 99 starmie

    lickilicky (modest, expert belt, 255)
    - ice beam 103 yache garchomp

    41
    politoed (careful, 0)
    - earthquake CH 76 starmie

    jolteon (timid, 255, modest, 255)
    - shadowball 56 garchomp

    42
    tauros (jolly, choice band, 255)
    - return 127 starmie

    floatzel (quiet, 0, jolly, 255)
    - ice fang 54 yache garchomp
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    44
    kangaskhan (naughty, 170)
    - outrage 124 garchomp, 81 snorlax

    45
    blastoise (modest, 255)
    - rain torrent hydro pump 123 starmie

    feraligatr (careful, 0, adamant, 255)
    - (+1at) ice fang 100 yache garchomp

    46
    alakazam (timid, 255, quiet, 170
    - shadow ball 124 starmie
    - psychic 60 snorlax

    manectric (modest, 22)
    - hyper beam 54 snorlax

    froslass (docile, 255, modest, 255)
    - blizzard 25,25 thick fat snorlax

    48
    bronzong (brave, macho brace, 255at, 0 speed)
    - gyro ball 60,63 starmie

    gastrodon (sassy, 170 or 0)
    - surf 58 garchomp

    49 tower tycoon
    cresselia (bold, 0)
    - (+2sA) psychic 63,55,61 snorlax

    regigigas (adamant, slow start, 255)
    - brick break (+1def) snorlax
    - ice punch 60 yache garchomp
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    50
    jolteon (modest, 255)
    - (+5sA) hyper beam 189, 185 snorlax

    slowbro (bashful, 170, quiet, 255)
    - surf 42 starmie

    bronzong (sassy, 0at, 0sA)
    - earthquake 24 (+2def) snorlax
    - psychic 31,34 snorlax

    medicham (jolly, 255)
    - psycho cut 54 (+2def) snorlax

    51
    ampharos 2 (careful, 255)
    - thunderpunch 72, (+3 def) 36, 31, (+4 def) 28, 27 snorlax

    magnezone 4 (quiet, 0at, 255sA)
    - thunderbolt 60,58,64,63,61,66,120,129,55 snorlax
    - silk scarf explosion 89 (+5 def) snorlax

    drifblim 1 (modest, 255, modest, wise glasses, 170
    - dream eater 30,32,31,29,28 (+1sA) 45,46,43,48 snorlax

    metagross (modest, wise glasses, 255)
    - shadow ball 104 starmie
    - psychic 46,55,49 snorlax

    bronzong 2 (sassy, 0)
    - psychic 48 garchomp

    52
    starmie 4 (timid, 255)
    - thunderbolt 34,36,33,37,35,38
    - hydro pump 70,67,63
    - psychic 51,55,48,49,52,108
    - power gem 24,24,28,53,25,29,27
    - struggle 6,7,40 (all vs snorlax)

    meganium (calm, 255, modest, 255)
    - ancientpower 21, (+1sA) 29,33,28 snorlax

    53
    gastrodon 3 (sassy, 0)
    - mud bomb 42 starmie

    dewgong 2 (calm, 0)
    - ice beam 27 starmie

    55
    latios 1 (adamant, 255)
    - (+2at) dragon claw 112 (+1def) snorlax

    gardevoir (timid, 255, modest, 255, modest, 255, modest, choice specs, 255)
    - psychic 84,82,81,78 snorlax

    claydol 3 (brave, 255)
    - earthquake 69 (+1def) snorlax

    56
    kingdra 3 (timid, 255)
    - dragon pulse 42,43,40,39
    - hydro pump 60,51,58
    - ice beam 16,15,14 (all vs snorlax)

    walrein (modest, 255)
    - signal beam 82 starmie

    gardevoir (modest, 255, modest, 255, modest, choice specs, 255)
    - thunderbolt 51,53,54,52,55,112,50 snorlax

    tentacruel (timid, 255)
    - wring out CH 70 snorlax
    - hydro pump 49 snorlax

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    57
    meganium 4 (calm, 255)
    - ancientpower 40,18,21,22,19
    - frenzy plant 67,69,70,69,66
    - hyper beam 49,49,49,46,44 (all vs snorlax)

    roserade 4 (modest, 170)
    - rose incense energy ball 52,54,52,60,52,60,58,61,61,51
    - hyper beam 61,62
    - sludge bomb 49,52,49,111,49,109,54,52 (all vs snorlax)

    mismagius (timid, 0)
    - dark pulse 26,25 snorlax

    infernape (adamant, muscle band, 255)
    - (+1at) brick break 128 (+2def) snorlax

    58
    roserade 4 (modest, 170)
    - rose incense energy ball 51,54,51,57,54,58,54,51,54
    - hyper beam 53,59,53,117
    - sludge bomb 55,46,46,55,46,48,51,48,48 (all vs snorlax)

    hitmonlee (adamant, 255)
    - stone edge 71 starmie

    lucario (hardy, 170)
    - me first surf 47 starmie

    59
    latios 4 (modest, 255)
    - draco meteor 84,82, (-2sA) 39, (-4sA) 28
    - (-6sA) thunder 11,87,12,11
    - (-6sA) hyper beam 15,15,14,14
    - (-6sA) psychic 13,12,13,15 (all vs snorlax)

    gardevoir 4 (modest, 255)
    - choice specs psychic 84,93,93,87,84,93,87,96 snorlax, 81 starmie

    starmie 2 (255 EVs)
    - hydro pump 69, rain dance hydro pump 96,93,88,96 snorlax
    - thunder 42,19,21,18,19,18,17,20 snorlax

    yanmega (modest, 255, timid, 255)
    - bug buzz 49,94,48 snorlax

    61
    latios (modest, 255)
    - draco meteor CH 162, 88, (-2sA) 42, (-4sA) 31, (-6sA) 21
    - (-6sA) hyper beam CH 120
    - (-6sA) psychic 15 (all vs snorlax)

    62
    porygon2/Z? (ignore this)
    - tri attack 42,46,48,43 snorlax

    togekiss (modest, 255)
    - ancientpowder 22,44 snorlax?

    63
    mamoswine (sassy, 0)
    - avalanche 180 yache garchomp
    - earthquake 102 snorlax

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    64
    roserade 4 (modest, 170)
    - rose incensce energy ball 55,55,54,58,58,57, (-1sD) 78,81,79,85
    - hyper beam (-1sD) 92,85,83,91,80
    - sludge bomb (-1sD) 81,76,73,82,82,76,76,81,85,85 (all vs snorlax)

    articuno (modest, 255, modest, 170, calm, 0)
    - ice beam 168 yache garchomp

    65
    dusknoir (adamant, muscle band, 255)
    - thunderpunch 56 snorlax
    - earthquake 79, (+1def) 53, (+2def) 41,39,37,147 snorlax

    66
    kingdra (modest, 255)
    - dragon pulse 76 starmie, 46 snorlax
    - rain surf 60,63 snorlax

    67
    claydol (ignore)
    - earthquake 73 starmie

    latios 1 (adamant, 255)
    - dragon claw 85,88, (+2at) 111,112 (+1def) snorlax

    70
    electrode 3 (timid, 255)
    - thunder 61,55,52,58,58,52,57,108,52,54 snorlax
    - swift 42,19,21,18,19,18,17,20 snorlax
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    71 jolteon (timid, 255, modest, 255)
    - shadowball 49,44 garchomp

    72
    drifblim 4 (jolly, 255)
    - return 77,73, (+1def) 50,47,52,45,51,46, (+2def) 37,36,36,37,38,142,35,37,37,35, (+3def) 32, (+4def) 23 snorlax

    electrode 3 (timid, 255)
    - thunder 57,67,67,57,58,61,58,67,60,66 snorlax

    73
    jolteon 2 (naughty, 170at, 170sA)
    - thunderbolt 102,54,46,102,103,46,49,51,51,51,51,48,48,52,49 snorlax
    - iron tail (+3def) 22 snorlax

    lickilicky (modest, expert belt, 255)
    - surf 27,28,28,31,29,55,32 snorlax
    - thunderbolt 29,30,28 snorlax

    74
    dewgong 4 (modest, 255)
    - surf 37,43,82,40,39,43,81,45 snorlax

    abomasnow (modest, wise glasses, 255)
    - blizzard 30 thick fat snorlax

    76
    crobat (adamant, 255)
    - brave bird 181 garchomp

    77
    zapods 4 (timid, 0)
    - drill peck 58 garchomp

    honchkrow 4 (bashful, 170)
    - drill peck 103 snorlax
    - sucker punch (+1def) 60 snorlax
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    78
    abomasnow 2 (adamant, 255)
    - wood hammer 118, (+1def) 81,78,87,CH 1HKO

    79
    latias 2 (modest, 0)
    - dragon pulse 39,39 snorlax
    - (+2sA) psychic 85 snorlax

    regirock 3 (naughty, 170)
    - stone edge (+2def) 52,54 snorlax

    80
    espeon 4 (timid, 255)
    - psychic 58,58,61,57,58,52 snorlax

    lucario 4 (modest, 255)
    - aura sphere 108 snorlax

    82
    regice 4 (bold, 255)
    - thunderbolt 32,33,32,32,37,32,35,37,31 snorlax
  6. Peterko

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    - took me 6 hours to rewrite this so that it lists actual Pokémon and what set, I think this is more user friendly, enjoy
    - use with the moveset list in the first post for best results
    - big thanks to TRE for the original list found here http://members.shaw.ca/teamrocketelite/100BTTrainers.txt

    DIAMOND/PEARL BATTLE TOWER BATTLE #50+ TRAINERS AND THEIR POKÉMON

    Ace Trainer (F) Abbey & Ace Trainer (M) Lionel: SET 4 POKÉMON
    Gengar 4, Ampharos 4, Politoed 4, Pinsir 4, Scizor 4, Heracross 4, Ursaring 4, Houndoom 4, Donphan 4, Wailord 4, Claydol 4, Rampardos 4, Bronzong 4, Drapion 4, Luxray 4, Ninetales 4, Machamp 4, Shuckle 4, Roserade 4, Honchkrow 4, Steelix 4, Weavile 4, Gliscor 4, Tentacruel 4, Aerodactyl 4, Porygon2 4, Lickilicky 4, Yanmega 4, Gardevoir 4, Gallade 4, Exeggutor 4, Starmie 4, Flygon 4, Vaporeon 4, Jolteon 4, Flareon 4, Espeon 4, Umbreon 4, Leafeon 4, Glaceon 4, Lucario 4, Hippowdon 4, Probopass 4, Dusknoir 4, Agrron 4, Walrein 4, Mamoswine 4, Lapras 4, Crobat 4, Magnezone 4, Rhyperior 4, Tangrowth 4, Porygon-Z 4, Gyarados 4, Snorlax 4, Kingdra 4, Blissey 4, Milotic 4, Electivire 4, Magmortar 4, Togekiss 4, Arcanine 4, Dragonite 4, Tyranitar 4, Salamence 4, Metagross 4, Garchomp 4, Slaking 4

    Ace Trainer (F) Irene & Ace Trainer (M) Ellis: LEGENDARIES
    Articuno 1-4, Zapdos 1-4, Moltres 1-4, Raikou 1-4, Entei 1-4, Suicune 1-4, Regirock 1-4, Regice 1-4, Registeel 1-4, Latias 1-4, Latios 1-4, Heatran 1-4, Cresselia 1-4,Regigigas 1-4

    (Ice) Ace Trainer (F) Celina & Cortney, (Ice) Ace Trainer (M) Dallin & Jayden: ICE TYPE
    Jynx 1-4, Dewgong 1-4, Glalie 1-4, Froslass 1-4, Abomasnow 1-4, Weavile 1-4, Glaceon 1-4, Walrein 1-4, Mamoswine 1-4, Lapras 1-4, Articuno 1-4, Regice 1-4

    Aroma Lady Haylee & Nadia: GRASS TYPE
    Venusaur 2-4, Meganium 2-4, Sceptile 2-4, Torterra 2-4, Breloom 2-4, Vileplume 2-4, Victreebel 2-4, Ludicolo 2-4, Shiftry 2-4, Abomasnow 2-4, Cradily 2-4, Roserade 2-4, Exeggutor 2-4, Leafeon 2-4, Tangrowth 2-4

    Battle Girl Kristy & Sylvia, Black Belt Benny & Daron: FIGHTING & FIRE TYPE
    Primeape 2, Hitmonlee 2, Hitmonchan 2, Hitmontop 2, Charizard 2-4, Typhlosion 2-4, Blaziken 2-4, Infernape 2-4, Medicham 2-4, Breloom 2-4, Hariyama 2-4, Toxicroak 2-4, Poliwrath 2-4, Rapidash 2-4, Heracross 2-4, Houndoom 2-4, Ninetales 2-4, Machamp 2-4, Gallade 2-4, Flareon 2-4, Lucario 2-4, Magmortar 2-4, Arcanine 2-4, Moltres 1-4, Entei 1-4, Heatran 1-4

    Beauty Jaclyn: SET 2 POKÉMON
    Ivysaur 2, Charmeleon 2, Wartortle 2, Bayleef 2, Quilava 2, Croconaw 2, Grovyle 2, Combusken 2, Marshtomp 2, Grotle 2, Monferno 2, Prinplup 2, Sudowoodo 2, Magcargo 2, Pupitar 2, Sealeo 2, Bibarel 2, Gabite 2, Chatot 2, Raticate 2, Masquerain 2, Furret 2, Dunsparce 2, Cherrim 2, Dragonair 2, Mightyena 2, Linoone 2, Castform 2, Shelgon 2, Metang 2, Wormadam 2, Mothim 2 , Wigglytuff 2, Sunflora 2, Chimecho 2, Gligar 2, Qwilfish 2, Sneasel 2, Swellow 2, Pelipper 2, Lairon 2, Tangela 2, Misdreavus 2, Arbok 2, Persian 2, Seadra 2, Vigoroth 2, Lunatone 2, Solrock 2, Kecleon 2, Rotom 2, Fearow 2, Noctowl 2, Sandslash 2, Venomoth 2, Chansey 2, Seaking 2, Jumpluff 2, Piloswine 2, Purugly 2, Carnivine 2, Golbat 2, Primeape 2, Hitmonlee 2, Hitmonchan 2, Girafarig 2, Hitmontop 2, Banette 2, Dusclops 2, Ninjask 2, Zangoose 2, Seviper 2, Dodrio 2, Sharpedo 2, Camerupt 2, Tropius 2, Lumineon 2, Magneton 2, Mantine 2, Stantler 2, Swalot 2, Crawdaunt 2, Pidgeot 2, Xatu 2, Torkoal 2, Grumpig 2, Clefable 2, Kingler 2, Cacturne 2, Bellossom 2, Octillery 2, Huntail 2, Gorebyss 2, Relicanth 2, Electabuzz 2, Magmar 2, Omastar 2, Kabutops 2, Scyther 2, Cloyster 2

    Beauty Noelle: SET 3 POKÉMON
    Venusaur 3,Charizard 3,Blastoise 3,Meganium 3,Typhlosion 3,Feraligatr 3,Sceptile 3,Blaziken 3,Swampert 3,Torterra 3,Infernape 3,Empoleon 3,Dugtrio 3,Marowak 3,Medicham 3,Quagsire 3,Granbull 3,Jynx 3,Mr.Mime 3,Lanturn 3,Breloom 3,Foretress 3,Skarmory 3,Absol 3,Whiscash 3,Hariyama 3,Vespiquen 3,Raichu 3,Dewgong 3,Manectric 3,Staraptor 3,Gastrodon 3,Skuntank 3,Vileplume 3,Victreebel 3,Electrode 3,Ludicolo 3,Shiftry 3,Exploud 3,Glalie 3,Lopunny 3,Froslass 3,Ambipom 3,Hypno 3,Golem 3,Rhydon 3,Slowbro 3,Weezing 3,Kangaskhan 3,Tauros 3,Alakazam 3,Slowking 3,Miltank 3,Altaria 3,Toxicroak 3,Abomasnow 3,Nidoqueen 3,Nidoking 3,Cradily 3,Armaldo 3,Bastiodon 3,Floatzel 3,Mismagius 3,Drifblim 3,Golduck 3,Poliwrath 3,Rapidash 3,Muk 3

    Bird Keeper Allie & Anissa: FLYING TYPE
    Xatu 2, Charizard 2-4, Skarmory 2-4, Vespiquen 2-4, Staraptor 2-4, Altaria 2-4, Drifblim 2-4, Honchkrow 2-4, Gliscor 2-4, Aerodactyl 2-4, Yanmega 2-4, Crobat 2-4, Gyarados 2-4, Togekiss 2-4, Dragonite 2-4, Salamence 2-4, Articuno 1-4, Zapdos 1-4, Moltres 1-4

    Cameraman Barrett & Jess: PSYCHIC & ELECTRIC TYPE
    Medicham 2-4, Jynx 2-4, Mr.Mime 2-4, Lanturn 2-4, Raichu 2-4, Manectric 2-4, Electrode 2-4, Hypno 2-4, Slowbro 2-4, Alakazam 2-4, Slowking 2-4, Ampharos 2-4, Claydol 2-4, Bronzong 2-4, Luxray 2-4, Gardevoir 2-4, Gallade 2-4, Exeggutor 2-4, Starmie 2-4, Jolteon 2-4, Espeon 2-4, Magnezone 2-4, Electivire 2-4, Metagross 2-4 Zapdos 1-4, Raikou 1-4, Latias 1-4, Latios 1-4, Cresselia 1-4

    Camper Justyn & Leland: SET 4 POKÉMON
    Gengar 4,Ampharos 4,Politoed 4,Pinsir 4,Scizor 4,Heracross 4,Ursaring 4,Houndoom 4,Donphan 4,Wailord 4,Claydol 4,Rampardos 4,Bronzong 4,Drapion 4,Luxray 4,Ninetales 4,Machamp 4,Shuckle 4,Roserade 4,Honchkrow 4,Steelix 4,Weavile 4,Gliscor 4,Tentacruel 4,Aerodactyl 4,Porygon2 4,Lickilicky 4,Yanmega 4,Gardevoir 4,Gallade 4,Exeggutor 4,Starmie 4,Flygon 4,Vaporeon 4,Jolteon 4,Flareon 4,Espeon 4,Umbreon 4,Leafeon 4,Glaceon 4,Lucario 4,Hippowdon 4,Probopass 4,Dusknoir 4,Agrron 4,Walrein 4,Mamoswine 4,Lapras 4,Crobat 4,Magnezone 4,Rhyperior 4,Tangrowth 4,Porygon-Z 4,Gyarados 4,Snorlax 4,Kingdra 4,Blissey 4,Milotic 4,Electivire 4,Magmortar 4,Togekiss 4,Arcanine 4,Dragonite 4,Tyranitar 4,Salamence 4,Metagross 4,Garchomp 4,Slaking 4

    Clown Kendel & River: PSYCHIC & GHOST TYPE
    Medicham 2-4, Jynx 2-4, Mr.Mime 2-4, Froslass 2-4, Hypno 2-4, Slowbro 2-4, Alakazam 2-4, Slowking 2-4, Mismagius 2-4, Drifblim 2-4, Gengar 2-4, Claydol 2-4, Bronzong 2-4, Gardevoir 2-4, Gallade 2-4, Exeggutor 2-4, Starmie 2-4, Espeon 2-4, Dusknoir 2-4, Metagross 2-4

    Collector Edmund: SET 1 POKÉMON
    Venusaur 1, Charizard 1, Blastoise 1, Meganium 1, Typhlosion 1, Feraligatr 1,Sceptile 1,Blaziken 1,Swampert 1,Torterra 1,Infernape 1,Empoleon 1,Dugtrio 1,Marowak 1,Medicham 1,Quagsire 1,Granbull 1,Jynx 1,Mr.Mime 1,Lanturn 1,Breloom 1,Forretress 1,Skarmory 1,Absol 1,Whiscash 1,Hariyama 1,Vespiquen 1,Raichu 1,Dewgong 1,Manectric 1,Staraptor 1,Gastrodon 1,Skuntank 1,Vileplume 1,Victreebel 1,Electrode 1,Ludicolo 1,Shiftry 1,Exploud 1,Glalie 1,Lopunny 1,Froslass 1,Ambipom 1,Hypno 1,Golem 1,Rhydon 1,Slowbro 1,Weezing 1,Kangaskhan 1,Tauros 1,Alakazam 1,Slowking 1,Miltank 1,Altaria 1,Toxicroak 1,Abomasnow 1,Nidoqueen 1,Nidoking 1,Cradily 1,Armaldo 1,Bastiodon 1,Floatzel 1,Mismagius 1,Drifblim 1,Golduck 1,Poliwrath 1,Rapidash 1,Muk 1

    Collector Kelton: SET 1 POKÉMON
    Gengar 1,Ampharos 1,Politoed 1,Pinsir 1,Scizor 1,Heracross 1,Ursaring 1,Houndoom 1,Donphan 1,Wailord 1,Claydol 1,Rampardos 1,Bronzong 1,Drapion 1,Luxray 1,Ninetales 1,Machamp 1,Shuckle 1,Roserade 1,Honchkrow 1,Steelix 1,Weavile 1,Gliscor 1,Tentacruel 1,Aerodactyl 1,Porygon2 1,Lickilicky 1,Yanmega 1,Gardevoir 1,Gallade 1,Exeggutor 1,Starmie 1,Flygon 1,Vaporeon 1,Jolteon 1,Flareon 1,Espeon 1,Umbreon 1,Leafeon 1,Glaceon 1,Lucario 1,Hippowdon 1,Probopass 1,Dusknoir 1,Aggron 1,Walrein 1,Mamoswine 1,Lapras 1,Crobat 1,Magnezone 1,Rhyperior 1,Tangrowth 1,Porygon-Z 1,Gyarados 1,Snorlax 1,Kingdra 1,Blissey 1,Milotic 1,Electivire 1,Magmortar 1,Togekiss 1,Arcanine 1,Dragonite 1,Tyranitar 1,Salamence 1,Metagross 1,Garchomp 1,Slaking 1

    Cowgirl Margot & Sophie: SET 4 POKÉMON
    Venusaur 4,Charizard 4,Blastoise 4,Meganium 4,Typhlosion 4,Feraligatr 4,Sceptile 4,Blaziken 4,Swampert 4,Torterra 4,Infernape 4,Empoleon 4,Dugtrio 4,Marowak 4,Medicham 4,Quagsire 4,Granbull 4,Jynx 4,Mr.Mime 4,Lanturn 4,Breloom 4,Forretress 4,Skarmory 4,Absol 4,Whiscash 4,Hariyama 4,Vespiquen 4,Raichu 4,Dewgong 4,Manectric 4,Staraptor 4,Gastrodon 4,Skuntank 4,Vileplume 4,Victreebel 4,Electrode 4,Ludicolo 4,Shiftry 4,Exploud 4,Glalie 4,Lopunny 4,Froslass 4,Ambipom 4,Hypno 4,Golem 4,Rhydon 4,Slowbro 4,Weezing 4,Kangaskhan 4,Tauros 4,Alakazam 4,Slowking 4,Miltank 4,Altaria 4,Toxicroak 4,Abomasnow 4,Nidoqueen 4,Nidoking 4,Cradily 4,Armaldo 4,Bastiodon 4,Floatzel 4,Mismagius 4,Drifblim 4,Golduck 4,Poliwrath 4,Rapidash 4,Muk 4

    Cyclist (F) Kristi & Mariana, Cyclist (M) Demetri & Lyle: FIGHTING & NORMAL TYPE
    Primeape 2, Hitmonlee 2, Hitmonchan 2, Hitmontop 2, Blaziken 2-4, Infernape 2-4, Medicham 2-4, Granbull 2-4, Breloom 2-4, Hariyama 2-4, Staraptor 2-4, Exploud 2-4, Lopunny 2-4, Ambipom 2-4, Kangaskhan 2-4, Tauros 2-4, Miltank 2-4, Toxicroak 2-4, Poliwrath 2-4, Heracross 2-4, Ursaring 2-4, Machamp 2-4, Porygon2 2-4, Lickilicky 2-4, Gallade 2-4, Lucario 2-4, Porygon-Z 2-4, Snorlax 2-4, Blissey 2-4, Togekiss 2-4, Slaking 2-4, Regigigas 1-4

    Dragon Tamer Alonso & Hernan: „DRAGON LIKE“ POKÉMON
    Charizard 2-4, Feraligatr 2-4, Sceptile 2-4, Skarmory 2-4, Rhydon 2-4, Kangaskhan 2-4, Altaria 2-4, Nidoqueen 2-4, Nidoking 2-4, Bastiodon 2-4, Rampardos 2-4, Drapion 2-4, Steelix 2-4, Aerodactyl 2-4, Flygon 2-4, Aggron 2-4, Lapras 2-4, Rhyperior 2-4, Gyarados 2-4, Kingdra 2-4, Milotic 2-4, Arcanine 2-4, Dragonite 2-4, Tyranitar 2-4, Salamence 2-4, Garchomp 2-4, Latias 1-4, Latios 1-4

    Fisherman Bryon & Turner: WATER TYPE, SET 2-4 POKÉMON
    Sharpedo 2, Quagsire 2-4, Lanturn 2-4, Whiscash 2-4, Dewgong 2-4, Gastrodon 2-4, Slowbro 2-4, Slowking 2-4, Floatzel 2-4, Golduck 2-4, Poliwrath 2-4, Politoed 2-4, Wailord 2-4, Tentacruel 2-4, Starmie 2-4, Walrein 2-4, Lapras 2-4, Gyarados 2-4, Kingdra 2-4, Milotic 2-4

    Gentleman Jerell: LEGENDARIES
    Articuno 1-4, Zapdos 1-4, Moltres 1-4, Raikou 1-4, Entei 1-4, Suicune 1-4, Regirock 1-4, Regice 1-4, Registeel 1-4, Latias 1-4, Latios 1-4, Heatran 1-4, Cresselia 1-4,Regigigas 1-4

    Gentleman Kennedy: SET 4 POKÉMON
    Gengar 4, Ampharos 4, Politoed 4, Pinsir 4, Scizor 4, Heracross 4, Ursaring 4, Houndoom 4, Donphan 4, Wailord 4, Claydol 4, Rampardos 4, Bronzong 4, Drapion 4, Luxray 4, Ninetales 4, Machamp 4, Shuckle 4, Roserade 4, Honchkrow 4, Steelix 4, Weavile 4, Gliscor 4, Tentacruel 4, Aerodactyl 4, Porygon2 4, Lickilicky 4, Yanmega 4, Gardevoir 4, Gallade 4, Exeggutor 4, Starmie 4, Flygon 4, Vaporeon 4, Jolteon 4, Flareon 4, Espeon 4, Umbreon 4, Leafeon 4, Glaceon 4, Lucario 4, Hippowdon 4, Probopass 4, Dusknoir 4, Agrron 4, Walrein 4, Mamoswine 4, Lapras 4, Crobat 4, Magnezone 4, Rhyperior 4, Tangrowth 4, Porygon-Z 4, Gyarados 4, Snorlax 4, Kingdra 4, Blissey 4, Milotic 4, Electivire 4, Magmortar 4, Togekiss 4, Arcanine 4, Dragonite 4, Tyranitar 4, Salamence 4, Metagross 4, Garchomp 4, Slaking 4

    Guitarist Dalvin & Tyrell: ELECTRIC & GHOST TYPE, SET 2-4 POKÉMON
    Lanturn 2-4, Raichu 2-4, Manectric 2-4, Electrode 2-4, Froslass 2-4, Mismagius 2-4, Drifblim 2-4, Gengar 2-4, Ampharos 2-4, Luxray 2-4, Jolteon 2-4, Dusknoir 2-4, Magnezone 2-4, Electivire 2-4

    Guitarist Markell & Marquez: ELECTRIC, GHOST & PSYCHIC TYPE, SET 4 POKÉMON
    Medicham 4,Jynx 4,Mr.Mime 4,Lanturn 4,Raichu 4,Manectric 4,Electrode 4,Froslass 4,Hypno 4,Slowbro 4,Alakazam 4,Slowking 4,Mismagius 4,Drifblim 4,Gengar 4,Ampharos 4,Claydol 4,Bronzong 4,Luxray 4,Gardevoir 4,Gallade 4,Exeggutor 4,Starmie 4,Jolteon 4,Espeon 4,Dusknoir 4,Magnezone 4,Electivire 4,Metagross 4

    Hiker Aldo & Andreas: GROUND & ROCK TYPE, SET 2-4 POKÉMON
    Torterra 2-4, Dugtrio 2-4, Marowak 2-4, Quagsire 2-4, Gastrodon 2-4, Golem 2-4, Rhydon 2-4, Nidoqueen 2-4, Nidoking 2-4, Cradily 2-4, Armaldo 2-4, Bastiodon 2-4, Donphan 2-4, Claydol 2-4, Rampardos 2-4, Shuckle 2-4, Steelix 2-4, Gliscor 2-4, Aerodactyl 2-4, Flygon 2-4, Hippowdon 2-4, Probopass 2-4, Aggron 2-4, Mamoswine 2-4, Rhyperior 2-4, Tyranitar 2-4, Garchomp 2-4

    Idol Claudia & Maranda: NORMAL & ELECTRIC TYPE, SET 4 POKÉMON
    Granbull 4, Lanturn 4, Raichu 4, Manectric 4, Staraptor 4, Electrode 4, Exploud 4, Lopunny 4, Ambipom 4, Kangaskhan 4, Tauros 4, Miltank 4, Ampharos 4, Ursaring 4, Luxray 4, Porygon2 4, Lickilicky 4, Jolteon 4, Magnezone 4, Porygon-Z 4, Snorlax 4, Blissey 4, Electivire 4, Togekiss 4, Slaking 4

    Idol Elaine & Sidney: „STARTER“ POKÉMON, ALL SETS
    Venusaur 1-4, Charizard 1-4, Blastoise 1-4, Meganium 1-4, Typhlosion 1-4, Feraligatr 1-4, Sceptile 1-4, Blaziken 1-4, Swampert 1-4, Torterra 1-4, Infernape 1-4, Empoleon 1-4

    Idol Tasha & Yvette: EEVEE EVOLUTIONS, ALL SETS
    Vaporeon 1-4, Jolteon 1-4, Flareon 1-4, Espeon 1-4, Umbreon 1-4, Leafeon 1-4, Glaceon 1-4

    Jogger Ryne: SET 3 POKÉMON
    Gengar 3,Ampharos 3,Politoed 3,Pinsir 3,Scizor 3,Heracross 3,Ursaring 3,Houndoom 3,Donphan 3,Wailord 3,Claydol 3,Rampardos 3,Bronzong 3,Drapion 3,Luxray 3,Ninetales 3,Machamp 3,Shuckle 3,Roserade 3,Honchkrow 3,Steelix 3,Weavile 3,Gliscor 3,Tentacruel 3,Aerodactyl 3,Porygon2 3,Lickilicky 3,Yanmega 3,Gardevoir 3,Gallade 3,Exeggutor 3,Starmie 3,Flygon 3,Vaporeon 3,Jolteon 3,Flareon 3,Espeon 3,Umbreon 3,Leafeon 3,Glaceon 3,Lucario 3,Hippowdon 3,Probopass 3,Dusknoir 3,Aggron 3,Walrein 3,Mamoswine 3,Lapras 3,Crobat 3,Magnezone 3,Rhyperior 3,Tangrowth 3,Porygon-Z 3,Gyarados 3,Snorlax 3,Kingdra 3,Blissey 3,Milotic 3,Electivire 3,Magmortar 3,Togekiss 3,Arcanine 3,Dragonite 3,Tyranitar 3,Salamence 3,Metagross 3,Garchomp 3,Slaking 3

    Jogger Sherman: SET 3 POKÉMON
    Venusaur 3,Charizard 3,Blastoise 3,Meganium 3,Typhlosion 3,Feraligatr 3,Sceptile 3,Blaziken 3,Swampert 3,Torterra 3,Infernape 3,Empoleon 3,Dugtrio 3,Marowak 3,Medicham 3,Quagsire 3,Granbull 3,Jynx 3,Mr.Mime 3,Lanturn 3,Breloom 3,Foretress 3,Skarmory 3,Absol 3,Whiscash 3,Hariyama 3,Vespiquen 3,Raichu 3,Dewgong 3,Manectric 3,Staraptor 3,Gastrodon 3,Skuntank 3,Vileplume 3,Victreebel 3,Electrode 3,Ludicolo 3,Shiftry 3,Exploud 3,Glalie 3,Lopunny 3,Froslass 3,Ambipom 3,Hypno 3,Golem 3,Rhydon 3,Slowbro 3,Weezing 3,Kangaskhan 3,Tauros 3,Alakazam 3,Slowking 3,Miltank 3,Altaria 3,Toxicroak 3,Abomasnow 3,Nidoqueen 3,Nidoking 3,Cradily 3,Armaldo 3,Bastiodon 3,Floatzel 3,Mismagius 3,Drifblim 3,Golduck 3,Poliwrath 3,Rapidash 3,Muk 3

    Parasol Lady Christa: SET 2 POKÉMON
    Ivysaur 2, Charmeleon 2, Wartortle 2, Bayleef 2, Quilava 2, Croconaw 2, Grovyle 2, Combusken 2, Marshtomp 2, Grotle 2, Monferno 2, Prinplup 2, Sudowoodo 2, Magcargo 2, Pupitar 2, Sealeo 2, Bibarel 2, Gabite 2, Chatot 2, Raticate 2, Masquerain 2, Furret 2, Dunsparce 2, Cherrim 2, Dragonair 2, Mightyena 2, Linoone 2, Castform 2, Shelgon 2, Metang 2, Wormadam 2, Mothim 2 , Wigglytuff 2, Sunflora 2, Chimecho 2, Gligar 2, Qwilfish 2, Sneasel 2, Swellow 2, Pelipper 2, Lairon 2, Tangela 2, Misdreavus 2, Arbok 2, Persian 2, Seadra 2, Vigoroth 2, Lunatone 2, Solrock 2, Kecleon 2, Rotom 2, Fearow 2, Noctowl 2, Sandslash 2, Venomoth 2, Chansey 2, Seaking 2, Jumpluff 2, Piloswine 2, Purugly 2, Carnivine 2, Golbat 2, Primeape 2, Hitmonlee 2, Hitmonchan 2, Girafarig 2, Hitmontop 2, Banette 2, Dusclops 2, Ninjask 2, Zangoose 2, Seviper 2, Dodrio 2, Sharpedo 2, Camerupt 2, Tropius 2, Lumineon 2, Magneton 2, Mantine 2, Stantler 2, Swalot 2, Crawdaunt 2, Pidgeot 2, Xatu 2, Torkoal 2, Grumpig 2, Clefable 2, Kingler 2, Cacturne 2, Bellossom 2, Octillery 2, Huntail 2, Gorebyss 2, Relicanth 2, Electabuzz 2, Magmar 2, Omastar 2, Kabutops 2, Scyther 2, Cloyster 2

    Parasol Lady Madelyn: SET 3 POKÉMON
    Gengar 3,Ampharos 3,Politoed 3,Pinsir 3,Scizor 3,Heracross 3,Ursaring 3,Houndoom 3,Donphan 3,Wailord 3,Claydol 3,Rampardos 3,Bronzong 3,Drapion 3,Luxray 3,Ninetales 3,Machamp 3,Shuckle 3,Roserade 3,Honchkrow 3,Steelix 3,Weavile 3,Gliscor 3,Tentacruel 3,Aerodactyl 3,Porygon2 3,Lickilicky 3,Yanmega 3,Gardevoir 3,Gallade 3,Exeggutor 3,Starmie 3,Flygon 3,Vaporeon 3,Jolteon 3,Flareon 3,Espeon 3,Umbreon 3,Leafeon 3,Glaceon 3,Lucario 3,Hippowdon 3,Probopass 3,Dusknoir 3,Aggron 3,Walrein 3,Mamoswine 3,Lapras 3,Crobat 3,Magnezone 3,Rhyperior 3,Tangrowth 3,Porygon-Z 3,Gyarados 3,Snorlax 3,Kingdra 3,Blissey 3,Milotic 3,Electivire 3,Magmortar 3,Togekiss 3,Arcanine 3,Dragonite 3,Tyranitar 3,Salamence 3,Metagross 3,Garchomp 3,Slaking 3

    PI Auston, Chester, Coby & Codi: OHKO, DESTINY BOND & EXPLOSION POKÉMON
    Seaking 2, Crawdaunt 2, Kingler 2, Nidoking 1,Whiscash 2,Shiftry 2,Glalie 2,Drifblim 2,Rapidash 2,Gengar 2,Gliscor 2,Gallade 2,Probopass 2,Lapras 2,Dugtrio 3,Dewgong 3,Weezing 3,Abomasnow 3,Rapidash 3,Muk 3,Claydol 3,Bronzong 3,Gliscor 3,Hippowdon 3,Walrein 3,Mamoswine 3,Rhyperior 3,Forretress 4,Skuntank 4,Electrode 4,Shiftry 4,Glalie 4,Froslass 4,Golem 4,Rhydon 4,Weezing 4,Mismagius 4,Drifblim 4,Gengar 4,Pinsir 4,Donphan 4,Wailord 4,Claydol 4,Steelix 4,Lickilicky 4,Exeggutor 4,Magnezone 4,Metagross 4

    Picnicker Kyra & Serena: SET 4 POKÉMON
    Gengar 4,Ampharos 4,Politoed 4,Pinsir 4,Scizor 4,Heracross 4,Ursaring 4,Houndoom 4,Donphan 4,Wailord 4,Claydol 4,Rampardos 4,Bronzong 4,Drapion 4,Luxray 4,Ninetales 4,Machamp 4,Shuckle 4,Roserade 4,Honchkrow 4,Steelix 4,Weavile 4,Gliscor 4,Tentacruel 4,Aerodactyl 4,Porygon2 4,Lickilicky 4,Yanmega 4,Gardevoir 4,Gallade 4,Exeggutor 4,Starmie 4,Flygon 4,Vaporeon 4,Jolteon 4,Flareon 4,Espeon 4,Umbreon 4,Leafeon 4,Glaceon 4,Lucario 4,Hippowdon 4,Probopass 4,Dusknoir 4,Agrron 4,Walrein 4,Mamoswine 4,Lapras 4,Crobat 4,Magnezone 4,Rhyperior 4,Tangrowth 4,Porygon-Z 4,Gyarados 4,Snorlax 4,Kingdra 4,Blissey 4,Milotic 4,Electivire 4,Magmortar 4,Togekiss 4,Arcanine 4,Dragonite 4,Tyranitar 4,Salamence 4,Metagross 4,Garchomp 4,Slaking 4

    Pokéfan (F) Carley & Selina, Pokéfan (M) Cecil & Ted: SET 4 POKÉMON
    Venusaur 4,Charizard 4,Blastoise 4,Meganium 4,Typhlosion 4,Feraligatr 4,Sceptile 4,Blaziken 4,Swampert 4,Torterra 4,Infernape 4,Empoleon 4,Dugtrio 4,Marowak 4,Medicham 4,Quagsire 4,Granbull 4,Jynx 4,Mr.Mime 4,Lanturn 4,Breloom 4,Forretress 4,Skarmory 4,Absol 4,Whiscash 4,Hariyama 4,Vespiquen 4,Raichu 4,Dewgong 4,Manectric 4,Staraptor 4,Gastrodon 4,Skuntank 4,Vileplume 4,Victreebel 4,Electrode 4,Ludicolo 4,Shiftry 4,Exploud 4,Glalie 4,Lopunny 4,Froslass 4,Ambipom 4,Hypno 4,Golem 4,Rhydon 4,Slowbro 4,Weezing 4,Kangaskhan 4,Tauros 4,Alakazam 4,Slowking 4,Miltank 4,Altaria 4,Toxicroak 4,Abomasnow 4,Nidoqueen 4,Nidoking 4,Cradily 4,Armaldo 4,Bastiodon 4,Floatzel 4,Mismagius 4,Drifblim 4,Golduck 4,Poliwrath 4,Rapidash 4,Muk 4

    Pokémon Breeder (F) Emilee & Tiffani, Poémon Breeder (M) Blair & Harvey: SET 4 POKÉMON
    Gengar 4,Ampharos 4,Politoed 4,Pinsir 4,Scizor 4,Heracross 4,Ursaring 4,Houndoom 4,Donphan 4,Wailord 4,Claydol 4,Rampardos 4,Bronzong 4,Drapion 4,Luxray 4,Ninetales 4,Machamp 4,Shuckle 4,Roserade 4,Honchkrow 4,Steelix 4,Weavile 4,Gliscor 4,Tentacruel 4,Aerodactyl 4,Porygon2 4,Lickilicky 4,Yanmega 4,Gardevoir 4,Gallade 4,Exeggutor 4,Starmie 4,Flygon 4,Vaporeon 4,Jolteon 4,Flareon 4,Espeon 4,Umbreon 4,Leafeon 4,Glaceon 4,Lucario 4,Hippowdon 4,Probopass 4,Dusknoir 4,Agrron 4,Walrein 4,Mamoswine 4,Lapras 4,Crobat 4,Magnezone 4,Rhyperior 4,Tangrowth 4,Porygon-Z 4,Gyarados 4,Snorlax 4,Kingdra 4,Blissey 4,Milotic 4,Electivire 4,Magmortar 4,Togekiss 4,Arcanine 4,Dragonite 4,Tyranitar 4,Salamence 4,Metagross 4,Garchomp 4,Slaking 4

    Pokémon Ranger (F) Darcy & Pokémon Ranger (M) Denver: LEGENDARIES
    Articuno 1-4, Zapdos 1-4, Moltres 1-4, Raikou 1-4, Entei 1-4, Suicune 1-4, Regirock 1-4, Regice 1-4, Registeel 1-4, Latias 1-4, Latios 1-4, Heatran 1-4, Cresselia 1-4,Regigigas 1-4

    Pokémon Ranger (F) Joy & Pokémon Ranger (M) Rusty: SET 4 POKÉMON
    Venusaur 4,Charizard 4,Blastoise 4,Meganium 4,Typhlosion 4,Feraligatr 4,Sceptile 4,Blaziken 4,Swampert 4,Torterra 4,Infernape 4,Empoleon 4,Dugtrio 4,Marowak 4,Medicham 4,Quagsire 4,Granbull 4,Jynx 4,Mr.Mime 4,Lanturn 4,Breloom 4,Forretress 4,Skarmory 4,Absol 4,Whiscash 4,Hariyama 4,Vespiquen 4,Raichu 4,Dewgong 4,Manectric 4,Staraptor 4,Gastrodon 4,Skuntank 4,Vileplume 4,Victreebel 4,Electrode 4,Ludicolo 4,Shiftry 4,Exploud 4,Glalie 4,Lopunny 4,Froslass 4,Ambipom 4,Hypno 4,Golem 4,Rhydon 4,Slowbro 4,Weezing 4,Kangaskhan 4,Tauros 4,Alakazam 4,Slowking 4,Miltank 4,Altaria 4,Toxicroak 4,Abomasnow 4,Nidoqueen 4,Nidoking 4,Cradily 4,Armaldo 4,Bastiodon 4,Floatzel 4,Mismagius 4,Drifblim 4,Golduck 4,Poliwrath 4,Rapidash 4,Muk 4

    Policeman Kenton & Tavon: STEEL TYPE, SET 2-4 POKÉMON
    Forretress 2-4, Skarmory 2-4, Bastiodon 2-4, Scizor 2-4, Bronzong 2-4, Steelix 2-4, Lucario 2-4, Probopass 2-4, Aggron 2-4, Magnezone 2-4, Metagross 2-4

    Psychic (F) Alma & Clara, Psychic (M) Clyde & Gunner: PSYCHIC TYPE
    Girafarig 2, Medicham 2-4, Jynx 2-4, Mr.Mime 2-4, Hypno 2-4, Slowbro 2-4, Alakazam 2-4, Slowking 2-4, Claydol 2-4, Bronzong 2-4, Gardevoir 2-4, Gallade 2-4, Exeggutor 2-4, Starmie 2-4, Espeon 2-4, Metagross 2-4, Latias 1-4, Latios 1-4, Cresselia 1-4

    Rancher Alton & Kellen: SET 4 POKÉMON:
    Venusaur 4,Charizard 4,Blastoise 4,Meganium 4,Typhlosion 4,Feraligatr 4,Sceptile 4,Blaziken 4,Swampert 4,Torterra 4,Infernape 4,Empoleon 4,Dugtrio 4,Marowak 4,Medicham 4,Quagsire 4,Granbull 4,Jynx 4,Mr.Mime 4,Lanturn 4,Breloom 4,Forretress 4,Skarmory 4,Absol 4,Whiscash 4,Hariyama 4,Vespiquen 4,Raichu 4,Dewgong 4,Manectric 4,Staraptor 4,Gastrodon 4,Skuntank 4,Vileplume 4,Victreebel 4,Electrode 4,Ludicolo 4,Shiftry 4,Exploud 4,Glalie 4,Lopunny 4,Froslass 4,Ambipom 4,Hypno 4,Golem 4,Rhydon 4,Slowbro 4,Weezing 4,Kangaskhan 4,Tauros 4,Alakazam 4,Slowking 4,Miltank 4,Altaria 4,Toxicroak 4,Abomasnow 4,Nidoqueen 4,Nidoking 4,Cradily 4,Armaldo 4,Bastiodon 4,Floatzel 4,Mismagius 4,Drifblim 4,Golduck 4,Poliwrath 4,Rapidash 4,Muk 4

    Reporter Johanna & Josie: PSYCHIC & ELECTRIC TYPE
    Medicham 2-4, Jynx 2-4, Mr.Mime 2-4, Lanturn 2-4, Raichu 2-4, Manectric 2-4, Electrode 2-4, Hypno 2-4, Slowbro 2-4, Alakazam 2-4, Slowking 2-4, Ampharos 2-4, Claydol 2-4, Bronzong 2-4, Luxray 2-4, Gardevoir 2-4, Gallade 2-4, Exeggutor 2-4, Starmie 2-4, Jolteon 2-4, Espeon 2-4, Magnezone 2-4, Electivire 2-4, Metagross 2-4 Zapdos 1-4, Raikou 1-4, Latias 1-4, Latios 1-4, Cresselia 1-4

    Roughneck Aidan & Brant: POISON, DARK & GHOST TYPE
    Mightyena 2, Sharpedo 2, Crawdaunt 2, Cacturne 2, Absol 2-4, Skuntank 2-4, Shiftry 2-4, Froslass 2-4, Weezing 2-4, Toxicroak 2-4, Nidoqueen 2-4, Nidoking 2-4, Mismagius 2-4, Drifblim 2-4, Muk 2-4, Gengar 2-4, Houndoom 2-4, Drapion 2-4, Honchkrow 2-4, Weavile 2-4, Tentacruel 2-4, Umbreon 2-4, Dusknoir 2-4, Crobat 2-4, Tyranitar 2-4

    Ruin Maniac Jaylin & Titus: ROCK TYPE
    Sudowoodo 2, Magcargo 2, Pupitar 2, Lairon 2, Lunatone 2, Solrock 2, Relicanth 2, Omastar 2, Kabutops 2, Golem 2-4, Rhydon 2-4, Cradily 2-4, Armaldo 2-4, Bastiodon 2-4, Rampardos 2-4, Shuckle 2-4, Aerodactyl 2-4, Probopass 2-4, Aggron 2-4, Rhyperior 2-4, Tyranitar 2-4

    Sailor Cain & Kegan: FIGHTING & WATER TYPE
    Blaziken 2-4, Infernape 2-4, Medicham 2-4, Breloom 2-4, Hariyama 2-4, Toxicroak 2-4, Poliwrath 2-4, Heracross 2-4, Machamp 2-4, Gallade 2-4, Lucario 2-4, Blastoise 4, Feraligatr 4, Swampert 4, Empoleon 4, Quagsire 4, Lanturn 4, Whiscash 4, Dewgong 4, Gastrodon 4, Ludicolo 4, Slowbro 4, Slowking 4, Floatzel 4, Golduck 4, Politoed 4, Wailord 4, Tentacruel 4, Starmie 4, Vaporeon 4, Walrein 4, Lapras 4, Gyarados 4, Kingdra 4, Milotic 4

    Scientist Carlo: SET 2 POKÉMON
    Venusaur 2,Charizard 2,Blastoise 2,Meganium 2,Typhlosion 2,Feraligatr 2,Sceptile 2,Blaziken 2,Swampert 2,Torterra 2,Infernape 2,Empoleon 2,Dugtrio 2,Marowak 2,Medicham 2,Quagsire 2,Granbull 2,Jynx 2,Mr.Mime 2,Lanturn 2,Breloom 2,Forretress 2,Skarmory 2,Absol 2,Whiscash 2,Hariyama 2,Vespiquen 2,Raichu 2,Dewgong 2,Manectric 2,Staraptor 2,Gastrodon 2,Skuntank 2,Vileplume 2,Victreebel 2,Electrode 2,Ludicolo 2,Shiftry 2,Exploud 2,Glalie 2,Lopunny 2,Froslass 2,Ambipom 2,Hypno 2,Golem 2,Rhydon 2,Slowbro 2,Weezing 2,Kangaskhan 2,Tauros 2,Alakazam 2,Slowking 2,Miltank 2,Altaria 2,Toxicroak 2,Abomasnow 2,Nidoqueen 2,Nidoking 2,Cradily 2,Armaldo 2,Bastiodon 2,Floatzel 2,Mismagius 2,Drifblim 2,Golduck 2,Poliwrath 2,Rapidash 2,Muk 2

    Scientist Jerred: SET 2 POKÉMON
    Gengar 2,Ampharos 2,Politoed 2,Pinsir 2,Scizor 2,Heracross 2,Ursaring 2,Houndoom 2,Donphan 2,Wailord 2,Claydol 2,Rampardos 2,Bronzong 2,Drapion 2,Luxray 2,Ninetales 2,Machamp 2,Shuckle 2,Roserade 2,Honchkrow 2,Steelix 2,Weavile 2,Gliscor 2,Tentacruel 2,Aerodactyl 2,Porygon2 2,Lickilicky 2,Yanmega 2,Gardevoir 2,Gallade 2,Exeggutor 2,Starmie 2,Flygon 2,Vaporeon 2,Jolteon 2,Flareon 2,Espeon 2,Umbreon 2,Leafeon 2,Glaceon 2,Lucario 2,Hippowdon 2,Probopass 2,Dusknoir 2,Aggron 2,Walrein 2,Mamoswine 2,Lapras 2,Crobat 2,Magnezone 2,Rhyperior 2,Tangrowth 2,Porygon-Z 2,Gyarados 2,Snorlax 2,Kingdra 2,Blissey 2,Milotic 2,Electivire 2,Magmortar 2,Togekiss 2,Arcanine 2,Dragonite 2,Tyranitar 2,Salamence 2,Metagross 2,Garchomp 2,Slaking 2

    Socialite Kailey: SET 3 POKÉMON
    Venusaur 3,Charizard 3,Blastoise 3,Meganium 3,Typhlosion 3,Feraligatr 3,Sceptile 3,Blaziken 3,Swampert 3,Torterra 3,Infernape 3,Empoleon 3,Dugtrio 3,Marowak 3,Medicham 3,Quagsire 3,Granbull 3,Jynx 3,Mr.Mime 3,Lanturn 3,Breloom 3,Foretress 3,Skarmory 3,Absol 3,Whiscash 3,Hariyama 3,Vespiquen 3,Raichu 3,Dewgong 3,Manectric 3,Staraptor 3,Gastrodon 3,Skuntank 3,Vileplume 3,Victreebel 3,Electrode 3,Ludicolo 3,Shiftry 3,Exploud 3,Glalie 3,Lopunny 3,Froslass 3,Ambipom 3,Hypno 3,Golem 3,Rhydon 3,Slowbro 3,Weezing 3,Kangaskhan 3,Tauros 3,Alakazam 3,Slowking 3,Miltank 3,Altaria 3,Toxicroak 3,Abomasnow 3,Nidoqueen 3,Nidoking 3,Cradily 3,Armaldo 3,Bastiodon 3,Floatzel 3,Mismagius 3,Drifblim 3,Golduck 3,Poliwrath 3,Rapidash 3,Muk 3

    Socialite Mayra: LEGENDARIES
    Articuno 1-4, Zapdos 1-4, Moltres 1-4, Raikou 1-4, Entei 1-4, Suicune 1-4, Regirock 1-4, Regice 1-4, Registeel 1-4, Latias 1-4, Latios 1-4, Heatran 1-4, Cresselia 1-4,Regigigas 1-4

    Veteran Antony: SET 3 POKÉMON
    Gengar 3,Ampharos 3,Politoed 3,Pinsir 3,Scizor 3,Heracross 3,Ursaring 3,Houndoom 3,Donphan 3,Wailord 3,Claydol 3,Rampardos 3,Bronzong 3,Drapion 3,Luxray 3,Ninetales 3,Machamp 3,Shuckle 3,Roserade 3,Honchkrow 3,Steelix 3,Weavile 3,Gliscor 3,Tentacruel 3,Aerodactyl 3,Porygon2 3,Lickilicky 3,Yanmega 3,Gardevoir 3,Gallade 3,Exeggutor 3,Starmie 3,Flygon 3,Vaporeon 3,Jolteon 3,Flareon 3,Espeon 3,Umbreon 3,Leafeon 3,Glaceon 3,Lucario 3,Hippowdon 3,Probopass 3,Dusknoir 3,Aggron 3,Walrein 3,Mamoswine 3,Lapras 3,Crobat 3,Magnezone 3,Rhyperior 3,Tangrowth 3,Porygon-Z 3,Gyarados 3,Snorlax 3,Kingdra 3,Blissey 3,Milotic 3,Electivire 3,Magmortar 3,Togekiss 3,Arcanine 3,Dragonite 3,Tyranitar 3,Salamence 3,Metagross 3,Garchomp 3,Slaking 3

    Veteran Mikel: LEGENDARIES
    Articuno 1-4, Zapdos 1-4, Moltres 1-4, Raikou 1-4, Entei 1-4, Suicune 1-4, Regirock 1-4, Regice 1-4, Registeel 1-4, Latias 1-4, Latios 1-4, Heatran 1-4, Cresselia 1-4,Regigigas 1-4

    Waiter Kelby & Waitress Kaila: SET 2 POKÉMON
    Gengar 2,Ampharos 2,Politoed 2,Pinsir 2,Scizor 2,Heracross 2,Ursaring 2,Houndoom 2,Donphan 2,Wailord 2,Claydol 2,Rampardos 2,Bronzong 2,Drapion 2,Luxray 2,Ninetales 2,Machamp 2,Shuckle 2,Roserade 2,Honchkrow 2,Steelix 2,Weavile 2,Gliscor 2,Tentacruel 2,Aerodactyl 2,Porygon2 2,Lickilicky 2,Yanmega 2,Gardevoir 2,Gallade 2,Exeggutor 2,Starmie 2,Flygon 2,Vaporeon 2,Jolteon 2,Flareon 2,Espeon 2,Umbreon 2,Leafeon 2,Glaceon 2,Lucario 2,Hippowdon 2,Probopass 2,Dusknoir 2,Aggron 2,Walrein 2,Mamoswine 2,Lapras 2,Crobat 2,Magnezone 2,Rhyperior 2,Tangrowth 2,Porygon-Z 2,Gyarados 2,Snorlax 2,Kingdra 2,Blissey 2,Milotic 2,Electivire 2,Magmortar 2,Togekiss 2,Arcanine 2,Dragonite 2,Tyranitar 2,Salamence 2,Metagross 2,Garchomp 2,Slaking 2

    Waiter Kevon & Waitress Jaime: SET 2 POKÉMON
    Venusaur 2,Charizard 2,Blastoise 2,Meganium 2,Typhlosion 2,Feraligatr 2,Sceptile 2,Blaziken 2,Swampert 2,Torterra 2,Infernape 2,Empoleon 2,Dugtrio 2,Marowak 2,Medicham 2,Quagsire 2,Granbull 2,Jynx 2,Mr.Mime 2,Lanturn 2,Breloom 2,Forretress 2,Skarmory 2,Absol 2,Whiscash 2,Hariyama 2,Vespiquen 2,Raichu 2,Dewgong 2,Manectric 2,Staraptor 2,Gastrodon 2,Skuntank 2,Vileplume 2,Victreebel 2,Electrode 2,Ludicolo 2,Shiftry 2,Exploud 2,Glalie 2,Lopunny 2,Froslass 2,Ambipom 2,Hypno 2,Golem 2,Rhydon 2,Slowbro 2,Weezing 2,Kangaskhan 2,Tauros 2,Alakazam 2,Slowking 2,Miltank 2,Altaria 2,Toxicroak 2,Abomasnow 2,Nidoqueen 2,Nidoking 2,Cradily 2,Armaldo 2,Bastiodon 2,Floatzel 2,Mismagius 2,Drifblim 2,Golduck 2,Poliwrath 2,Rapidash 2,Muk 2

    Worker Hans & Layne: FIGHTING & ROCK TYPE
    Blaziken 2-4, Infernape 2-4, Medicham 2-4, Breloom 2-4, Hariyama 2-4, Golem 2-4, Rhydon 2-4, Toxicroak 2-4, Cradily 2-4, Armaldo 2-4, Bastiodon 2-4, Poliwrath 2-4, Heracross 2-4, Rampardos 2-4, Machamp 2-4, Shuckle 2-4, Aerodactyl 2-4, Gallade 2-4, Lucario 2-4, Probopass 2-4, Aggron 2-4, Rhyperior 2-4, Tyranitar 2-4,
  7. Team Rocket Elite

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    anyway, TRE, I´m pretty sure that in battles #50-56 there are still non flawless pokémon...which collides with your trainer 201-300 trainer theory all having 31´s unless you can face also other trainers after #49

    I think you misread my post. Assuming DP is following Emerald, only trainers 221-307 have straight 31s. Trainers 201-220 would have straight 21s and these trainers still appear after battle 49.

    Also great job on the trainer list. I was thinking about a better way to present the information and I think yours does a better job than anything I had thought up.
  8. Trust

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    I have just read Jumpman's team, and it's absolutely great, congratulations. I would like to try it, but I have some problems, I don't have a Latios like that, I have one whose nature is +Speed -Defense, but I don't know if it could be so useful with its nature. Anyway, I have a question, why do you use Rest over Recover?. After that, is there any other pokémon which could be used instead of Latios in the same team? I say it because Latios is one of the most difficult pokémon to get a good one...

    I'd like to read your answers, and congratulations again!.
  9. Jumpman16

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    Thanks, I appreciate it. The reason I use Rest over Recover is primarily because of status, particularly Thunder Wave, which would cripple Latios every time unless I got lucky with a Sweet Kiss confusion coin flip, which I may have to flip twice if I Switch a pokemon that has 119 Speed or higher. (I could technically wait for the Thunder Wave poke to start Struggling, but that'd only allowed Latios 3 or four 4 turns of setup.)

    If your Hasty Latios has a 31 Speed IV it may be worth it, and maybe even if not. I picked Latios because there's not one pokemon it can't at least 2HKO (besides Shedinja which I'm pretty sure I can never see post-Battle 49). The fact that I evidently have an excellent shot of outspeeding Weavile, which is almost as much of a dick to my second real team as it was to my first, with my 31 Speed IV is icing on the cake, since it really is the pokemon, in my mind, with the best combination of "great ability to set up", "easy to set up", "great speed" and "fantastic attacking ability" (the latter referring to both Latios's 130 Base SpA and the fact that only one type resists Dragon).

    I've considered Gyarados (over Lucario, though) because it can pass on the first three counts (the third with DD of course), but kind of fails on the fourth because of Water Absorb pokemon, which many be few and far in between but I'd rather not have to switch out a set-up Gyarados (assuming a DD/Rest/WF/Sub set). Plus there's the fact that only Flying-type moves aren't resisted by the Lati/Luke combo, and synergy is as important as having two individual pokemon that pass on all four of the above counts. Latios/Gyarados would have trouble with Rock-type attacks and Aerodactyl in general. I've also considered Tyranitar, with a DD/Crunch/Rest/Sub set, then considered a pokemon that resisted/was immune to the Fighting/Ground/Water/Grass/Steel/Bug that Tyranitar's weak to and come back to Gyarados being the best candidate, but that'd still leave Ice being normal effective, with Rock/Grass/Electric being unresisted, not to mention a Sand Stream that certainly wouldn't be a 100% welcome addition to the
    team. Lastly, this duo wouldn't be boosting any defensive stat, which would mean less time to set up compared to Lati/Luke being able to much easier set up on the special attackers. Tyranitar still wouldn't like to take Staraptor Brave Birds, and Gyarados isn't going to really like Heracross Close Combats even with Intimidate (or, more accurately in a way, Metagross Meteor Mash, though Gyarados>>>>>Lucario in that regard, since Gyarados likely would be able to forgo most/all Speed EVs in favor of HP thanks to DD).

    So in conclusion, I think Lati/Luke is the best duo possible, given how well they set up. Ideally some Bulk Up pokes like Gallade or Heracross could do the trick, but their STAB CC whiffs on Ghosts, etc...whatever.
  10. Trust

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    Thanks for your answer Jumpman.

    My hasty Latios isn't that great in speed, so I will try to find an alternative which could fit in the team and could be bred. If you find an alternative I would like to know it so I could use it.

    I have another question about a team, which I'm sure that it has been discussed here, but I don't remember it. Ninjask + Breloom?. If you can pass to Breloom some speed, and luckily, some Attack, Breloom will be the king with Spore, Substitute, Seed Bomb, and Focus Punch/Mach Punch. I don't know if there is some problem there with that, because you have the third slot to cover problems like priority moves.

    Ninjask (M) @ Leftovers
    Ability: Speed Boost
    EVs: 156 HP/252 Atk/100 Spd
    Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
    - X-Scissor / Aerial Ace
    - Swords Dance
    - Substitute
    - Baton Pass

    100 speed gives Ninjask with Jolly nature 212 speed, so it outspeeds all BT stuff without boosts. You can Substitute until you aren't attacked and then pass the speed boost to Breloom, or if you keep your substitute, then you can Swords Dance or pass it to Breloom. Aerial Ace could help with Shedinja, but X-Scissor is better.

    Breloom (M) @ Toxic Orb
    Ability: Poison Heal
    EVs: 128 HP/252 Atk/128 Spd
    Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Seed Bomb / Stone Edge / Leech Seed
    - Focus Punch / Mach Punch
    - Spore
    - Substitute

    128 Speed lets him reach 106 speed, which means that with two boosts it outspeeds all. With Spore, you will put to sleep everything with a huge speed, and if you got a Swords Dance, you won't have problems sweeping. Substitute helps with Focus Punch and also stops critical hits. Mach Punch is an alternative to avoid problems with QC, and Stone Edge and Leech Seed could help with something like Shedinja, but as Jumpman said, you won't see it after 49 battle.

    Those are the key of the team, and you could cover the weakness with the third slot. The problems are Quick Claws, priority moves and maybe focus sashers...

    I don't know if this could work, but you can take advantage of non-Sleep Clause.
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    I like the idea. I'd replace the Leftovers on Ninjask with the berry that gives an attack boost, and tweak Ninjask's HP so that it activates after the third sub. That way you are assured to have at least one attack boost on Breloom.

    In the third slot, I'd fit something that could cover Breloom's weaknesses and could also benefit from the boosts Ninjask passes. A bulky Gyarados seems a good choice, resisting fire and being neutral to ice, poison, psychic and flying, plus having Intimidate. Tyranitar resists or is immune to all of those but Poison, but the Sandstorm might be a hindrance to Breloom and a low on HP Ninjask. Swampert is very bulky and only weak to Grass, which is resisted by both Ninjask and Breloom. Rampardos isn't too bulky, but with three speed boosts and an attack boost can wreak havoc, and also resists flying. Thick Fat Miltank is an interesting choice, also. Snorlax, too.
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    The third slot must be used by something which could take priority moves, quite bulky to absorb crits and quick claw hax, and maybe with some special attacks, which could help with physical walls like Gliscor. Also, it needs to carry something with an attack to kill Shedinja.

    Anyway, this idea had to be thought by other people before, so I think that it must have some problems, but I don't know which ones.
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    You can use another team to get past battle 49, and that way you won't have to deal with Shedinja.

    The biggest problems that idea has is switching from Ninjask to Breloom without a Sub. Breloom is pretty frail, so it might not survive certain attacks on the switch. But, as long as it survives the attack on the switch with more than 25% HP (well, even less, thanks to poison heal), it can spore and sub on the next turn, and is very safe after that.

    Also, I was suggesting physical pokémon because, frankly, with good attacking power and a boost, there isn't really any wall that can stop a Tyranitar, for example. You can even give that Tyranitar Ice Beam for the Ground walls, and still have room for Stone Edge, Crunch and EQ.

    Anyway, I'd like to see what other people think about it, the idea, while simple, seems solid enough.
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    Yes, that's true, and Tyranitar with Ice Beam and Life Orb, can sweep teams with enough speed. Anyway, Mach Punch could give me problems, so maybe a focus sash could be really useful, but the attack would be decreased then...

    I would like to read the opinion of the bigs in Battle Tower, like Peterko, Team Rocket Elite or Jumpman, because they will find the right third slot, and where are the problems there.
  15. Jumpman16

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    Yeah, you really don't want to be BPing naked from Ninjask to Breloom, because there's enough Aerial Ace pokemon in the BT that would dissuade that. And Flying or even Poison moves wouldn't really be cool to switch on either. Substitute is one of the best moves for the BT, but to pass it you're really going to have to put the opponent to sleep beforehand because most pokemon are just going to break Ninjask's Sub, which will make the pass very vulnerable.

    I honestly wouldn't try a lead Ninjask without Focus Sash, though, because it really can't Substitute effectively and even if it could, there's way too many Quick Claw pokemon to mess with you. Remember, I lost my streak at 203 with my Star/Tar/Chomp team to QC Rhydon, and I've played enough with the team to know that QC is the only thing that can remotely threaten my team (that and TR Bronzong since my Starmie's HP/Def are just "mediocre enough" for it to be barely 2HKOed by two Gyro Balls but whatever). So therefore, Ninjask will only really be able to pass +2 Attack, which isn't even close to being enough to OHKO everything in the BT.

    In fact, nothing can OHKO everything in the BT guaranteed with +6 Attack, as my efforts with the unposted "Team MekkahJump #1" have revealed to me. Not even Muscle Band Lucario can do so (LO can but LO is probably a bad idea, and Zangoose actually is better with +6 attack than Lucario). You probably shouldn't even bother trying to lead with Ninjask expecting to pass to a sweeper and sweep very easily.
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    Which one(s) can't be OHKO'd by Adamant Garchomp @Wide Lens with Outrage, Earthquake and Fire Fang?
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    I'm guessing Bronzong?
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    Adamant, 200 Attack Garchomp's thrice-Swords Danced Fire Fang on a Sassy, 163HP/157 (170EVs/170EVs) Occa Berry Bronzong: 65-77%

    567 Bronzong Sassy Occa Berry Imprison Psychic Shadow Ball Earthquake HP/Def/Sp. Def

    Though I'm technically right anyway, I probably should have been more specific and added "with attacks/items that don't suck for sweepers in the BT". This includes Life Orb and Outrage, and also pretty much any attack that doesn't have 100% accuracy. A +6 Attack Rhyperior with Earthquake/Stone Edge/Megahorn can OHKO everything in theory if Stone Edge actually hits Gyarados and if Megahorn actually hits Bronzong (and this says nothing of the fact that your fourth move will probably have to be Rock Polish since Rhyperior is way too slow to expect a sweep even with +1 Speed).

    Outrage is really asking for it, though. Ace Trainer Cortney is an Ice-Type Trainer, and the probability of a STAB Ice Shard, or Focus Sash Avalanche Glaceon, or a Abomasnow that's going to activate a lot of Snow Cloaks is way too high to expect to sweep with Garchomp everytime. In fact, you pretty much need Garchomp to be behind a Sub if you don't want to lose to that Sash Glaceon, assuming you're not using any field hazards like Stealth Rock or Spikes.

    Since I'm above the rules AND I rule I'm probably going to eventually post my theorymon process with "Team MekkahJump #1" (one Mekkah helped a lot more with than my Lopunny team which I came up with virtually by myself!) even though I ended up not using it, because it gives some insight into the thought process necessary to create as foolproof a Battle Tower team as possible.
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    I supposed it was going to have problems... xD. Thanks Jumpman. I'm trying to make a decent team, and I've tried one which have worked quite well, which covers weakness decently. Specsmence as leader, and Curselax and Agilitygross. Anyway, bad luck always **** me... I can't find a good team by myself xD.
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    Yeah. I was only in it for the trainer card upgrade, but wanted to see how far my team could go-- I was pleasantly surprised (and pretty darn lucky).


    Gengar @ Focus Sash
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Speed
    Nature: Timid
    - Shadow Ball
    - Thunderbolt
    - Counter
    - Destiny Bond

    If this Gengar looks familiar, it should: it's a carbon copy of Team Rocket Elite's Gengar from his awe-inspiring 330 run. Before TRE posted, I was using a vastly inferior set with the same spread; I can say with confidence that this Gengar is as good as it gets.


    Metagross @ Shuca Berry (ground resist)
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def
    Nature: Adamant
    - Meteor Mash
    - Earthquake
    - Bullet Punch
    - Explosion

    If this Metagross also looks familiar, then you aren't mistaken-- it's the "Wifi Battle Tower Standard" listed on the site's analysis. Shuca Berry and Explosion go hand-in-hand in my mind, since the berry was most relevant when exploding on things like Garchomp (485, 757, 893) Mamoswine (601, 737, 873) or even Heracross (832). It was also a saving grace countless times when I needed that extra hit before biting the dust, turning many a 2hko Earthquake into a 3hko. Generally speaking, I would avoid using Meteor Mash anywhere that Earthquake + Bullet Punch would get the job done.


    Slaking @ Choice Band
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Speed
    Nature: Adamant
    - Return
    - Earthquake
    - Shadow Claw
    - Fire Punch

    One of the reasons I used Slaking was to see whether or not the AI was "smart" enough to spam protect, endure, substitute, etc. in the face of Slaking, whose ability would then screw it over between turns of attacking. (Perhaps I should have researched whether or not that was the case in Emerald. In the end, I suppose I got my answer.)


    The Team's game-plan looked something like this: kill something with either Gengar or Metagross, then Destiny Bond or Explode, respectively, on the next opponent. Next, bring in Gengar or Metagross (whichever was still alive at that point) to deliver the final KO, at worst using Destiny Bond or Explosion to "ensure" the victory. Slaking was there to take a hit on occasion, or in the worst case scenario, (Gengar destiny bonds one opponent out and Metagross explodes on the second) the final opponent would have to go toe-to-toe with a fresh Slaking (usually being killed in one hit to whichever move was most effective). I made tremendous effort to keep Slaking alive as long as humanly possible in my matches, (sacrificing Metagross or Gengar on truant turns if necessary) and as well I made an effort to bring Slaking out as late as possible (to avoid stuff like focus sash).

    Along the way I was making constant comparison between my team and TRE's earlier posted team, which had Blissey over Slaking (and CBgross over mine, but I guess that's a different story). There were plenty of opponents that my lead Gengar didn't want to see--most of them legendary-- and so I became accustomed to letting Slaking take the (usually) special hit and delivering a KO in exchange. Unfortunately, though, these hits would often be from Pokemon like Heatran and Moltres, (I would just "fold" to lead opponent Raikou and D-Bond him out if he was in front) which meant Slaking would risk a burn, which inevitably happened (three times, I think) over the course of the run. Would Blissey be a better idea? Maybe. Probably. I can't imagine anyone would want to emulate my team given the logically superior choice of exploiting the limits of the AI, but if you are set on using a team like this, take your pick, I guess.

    In the end, I justified using Slaking over Blissey because there were plenty of times when Gengar and Metagross would sacrifice themselves to take down opponents, and I had more faith in Slaking dueling a lone opponent than I felt that I would with Blissey (Belly Drum Hariyama, anyone?) although this line of thinking probably doesn't hold too much water (there are still plenty of things that Slaking can't kill 1v1).

    Would I do it again? Not with this team. The team has fits against double-teamers, and Metagross's Explosion is not nearly as reliable as another Destiny Bond would be. As for Slaking, well...

    here's a brief summary of the battle that gave me the answer I was looking for:

    - Opponent (Pokemon Ranger Denver) leads with Regice. I lead with Gengar.
    - I switch from Gengar to Metagross to eat an Ice beam for piddling damage.
    - I select Meteor Mash, expecting a KO.
    - Instead, I miss, and Regice sends a paralyzing, critical hit thunderbolt at me, leaving Metagross at somewhere between 20 and 30%.
    - Angry Metagross delivers a Bullet Punch for ~45% before being finished by another thunderbolt. Regice gets leftovers at end of turn.
    - I'm left at a crossroad. The match is looking bleak because Ranger Denver has two more Legendary Pokemon to throw at me, (thanks for that info, TRE and Peterko--you guys rock!) and I've identified the moveset: it's Regice #944, complete with Toxic and protect. So either I can send in Gengar, fail to do enough damage with shadow ball and have to D-Bond him out, or try my luck with Slaking and see if the AI will protect through Slaking's onslaught.
    - I go with Slaking. I launch a Return at Regice--
    - ...which is promptly protected. Looks like the AI is pretty "smart."
    - I swap to Gengar to absorb a Toxic, although I wasn't expecting to get off scot-free (I figured he'd use Ice Beam).
    - Predicatably, Gengar fails to do enough damage for a KO (I guess using Slaking only hurt my chances more, thanks to leftovers) and has to use Destiny Bond. It's Slaking versus the world.
    - Slaking's opponent is Cresselia, which basically means the end. Slaking 2hkos Cresselia with Return while being bludgeoned twice with Psychic.
    - Final opponent is Latias (I was hoping for Regigigas, who I might have had a chance against) who ends the fight with Mist Ball as Slaking loafs around. Woohoo.


    After the battle, wise sage Jumpman16's words to TRE come flooding back to me:
    Amen.

    Thanks for reading.
  21. Peterko

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    Why don´t you just post the PM you wrote me some time ago where you explained that team to me? Unless you deleted the PM, in which case I can post it instead of you...

    Also Zracknel, very cool post.

    EDIT: One more of your kind and I can reduce our Single Battle Record list to 30 again and get rid of the "105" group (30.-43._.)...Expert Evan or someone else from the 105* group, why don´t you do another round of seven? ;)
  22. Carl

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    Awesome post Zracknel. Coincidentally, I've been toying around with a similar team for fun while I'm working on making a new AI abusive team. I just threw together 3 pokemon that I already had trained that I felt fit well together: Slaking, Latias, and Metagross.

    There's three main differences between what I'm using and what you used basically. First off obviously is Latias over Gengar. My initial though was to use Gengar but I don't like pokemon like Zapdos and Raikou from experiences with other teams and I felt that a resistance to Electric attacks would help me out more. I'm using Wish on Latias because all 3 pokemon can take some hits and it just lengthens the staying power of the team and they cover each others weaknesses fairly well so it's easy to get another member healed. This brings me to the second difference... because of Latias's Wish, I removed Explosion and added Thunderpunch on Metagross. I'm not sure how much this well benefit me as I haven't hit 100 yet but it is nice to have another accurate attack.

    Anyway, the main reason I'm posting is because of the third difference. I'm willing to bet you hardly ever used Shadow Claw, especially when you save Slaking for the end and probably eliminate ghost pokemon by that time. A problem I quickly found with my team was evasion and I looked around for a solution finally landing on Faint Attack. Faint Attack can essentially replace Shadow Claw with little else changing on the team. The difference is 10 BP and the coverage is similar. There's a fair amount of DT pokemon that Faint Attack is obviously not going to OHKO but if you ever find yourself in a bind knowing that Slaking could take a few hits or if you managed to get an earlier hit in, you would have a reliable finisher. Plus, since you are using Gengar you hopefully try to remove DT threats with Destiny Bond and could use Faint Attack merely as a backup. I don't have a ton of experience using Faint Attack on Slaking yet but that was essentially my thought process to give it a try. I'll post back at some point when I get more exposure with the Slaking/Latias/Metagross team.

    And that's all I have to say I think. Congrats on breaking 200 that's awesome.
  23. shipship

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    Quick question guys:

    I'm considering getting a Slaking for the BT as well, but I'm wondering how truant works.

    If Slaking uses giga impact, is he immobilized for 1 turn or 2 turns (does the recharge coincide with truant or do they occur seperately)? If he's only immobilized for 1 turn there'd be no reason not to use giga impact I'm thinking.
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    He's immobilized for the Truant turn, but you can't switch him out as you normally would be able to. So instead of the getting the "Slaking is loafing around!" message, you'd get a "Slaking must recharge!" and then be able to attack as you normally would.
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    Ah, I see, so if he uses a normal move he can still be switched out on the truant turn and attack right away the next time he is brought in?

    I guess it makes no difference if slaking is the last pokemon. Base 225 power giga impact from that attack is quite tempting.
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