1. Welcome to Smogon! Check out the Smogon Starters Hangout for everything you need to know about starting out in the community. Don't forget to introduce yourself in the Introduction and Hangout Thread, too!
  2. Welcome to Smogon Forums! Please take a minute to read the rules.

DP Research Thread #6 (Even newer)

Discussion in 'Ruins of Alph' started by Cathy, Aug 18, 2009.

  1. poccil

    poccil
    is a Researcher Alumnus

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2007
    Messages:
    400
    When I said "in each iteration" I meant "each time the game chooses a random parent and a random IV." Therefore, each time a random IV and a random parent are chosen (that is, up to 3 times), the Power Bracer, etc. can apply if that parent holds that item. Another example should make this clearer.

    Assume once again that the mother holds a Power Bracer and the father holds no item.
    Iteration 1. The game chooses a Special Attack IV and the game chooses the father. The baby inherits the father's Special Attack IV.
    Iteration 2. The game chooses a Defense IV and the game chooses the mother. The game changes the IV inherited to an Attack IV since the mother holds Power Bracer. The baby inherits the mother's Attack IV.
    Iteration 3. The game chooses an Attack IV and the game chooses the father. The baby inherits the father's Attack IV.

    Note that again, in the end, the baby inherits the father's Attack IV. Let's change iteration 3:

    Iteration 3. Father's Special Defense IV ---> The baby inherits the father's Special Defense IV and retains the mother's Attack IV.
    Iteration 3. Mother's Speed IV ---> The baby inherits the mother's Attack IV instead.
  2. TheMaskedNitpicker

    TheMaskedNitpicker Triple Threat
    is a Researcher Alumnusis a Contributor Alumnus

    Joined:
    Dec 5, 2007
    Messages:
    1,031
    This is clearly not the way it works. The father's Attack IV cannot be passed and the mother's Attack IV will always be passed.
  3. Zystral

    Zystral めんどくさい、な~
    is a Contributor Alumnusis a Smogon Media Contributor Alumnus

    Joined:
    Apr 16, 2009
    Messages:
    1,610
    TMN is correct, if a Power Item is present, the respective stat for that Power Item will always override and be chosen.
  4. poccil

    poccil
    is a Researcher Alumnus

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2007
    Messages:
    400
    It turns out I may be mistaken after all. Looking back at where I made my belief that Power Bracer and the like might not work 100%, it applies only if both parents hold a Power Bracer like item. That is, if both parent hold such an item, the baby inherits either one IV or the other IV, but not both. The correct way to describe the IV inheritance may be as follows:
  5. Zystral

    Zystral めんどくさい、な~
    is a Contributor Alumnusis a Smogon Media Contributor Alumnus

    Joined:
    Apr 16, 2009
    Messages:
    1,610
    I am still a bit shaky on that, since your description implies that 5 IVs total can be passed down (3 random, 2 from Power Items), yet I'm not so sure this is the case.

    I think that each parent holding a Power Item overrides one of the randomly chosen IVs, that's the result I've gotten from a few hours testing. I could be wrong, but that's what I'm seeing.
  6. Skymin_Flower

    Skymin_Flower It's Seed Flare time.

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2009
    Messages:
    895
    That is correct.
  7. Zystral

    Zystral めんどくさい、な~
    is a Contributor Alumnusis a Smogon Media Contributor Alumnus

    Joined:
    Apr 16, 2009
    Messages:
    1,610
    Could you be more specific?
    Are you saying that the passing of 5 IVs is correct, or the passing of 3 IVs maximum is correct?

    I've taken two parents, one is: 20 / 31 / 25 / 12 / 14 / 15
    one is: 31 / 11 / 30 / 29 / 5 / 31
    I've hatched 9 offspring, all of which only have 3 equal IVs.
  8. Skymin_Flower

    Skymin_Flower It's Seed Flare time.

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2009
    Messages:
    895
    Sorry I am saying that the passing of 3 IV's max is correct.
  9. poccil

    poccil
    is a Researcher Alumnus

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2007
    Messages:
    400
    No, a baby will not inherit five IVs. Since you say that the IVs are overridden, maybe the following description may be more correct:

  10. Zystral

    Zystral めんどくさい、な~
    is a Contributor Alumnusis a Smogon Media Contributor Alumnus

    Joined:
    Apr 16, 2009
    Messages:
    1,610
    Rewording to make it simpler;
  11. poccil

    poccil
    is a Researcher Alumnus

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2007
    Messages:
    400
    That may actually be an incorrect rewording. Since there is a 1/8 chance that a particular parent will not be chosen, and one of the comments above states that "I've never had it happen that only one parent was holding an EV Item and that stat was NOT passed down", your suggested rewording changes the meaning of the inheritance process. My description merely states that the way the third IV is inherited will change if either or both parents hold a Power Bracer or the like. Also left open in your rewording is exactly which IV (the first, second, or third) is inherited (on information and belief, in the new versions, the same stat can be chosen more than once in the IV inheritance process).
  12. Zystral

    Zystral めんどくさい、な~
    is a Contributor Alumnusis a Smogon Media Contributor Alumnus

    Joined:
    Apr 16, 2009
    Messages:
    1,610
    I don't see how?
    "If the parent chosen has a Power Item, the IV of the Power Item's stat is chosen for the actual IV of the child."
    This is correct and makes sense?

    As is anything else. Also, I know the same stat can be chosen more than once, my explanation still accounts for that.

    Even if Parent X isn't chosen for an IV to be passed down, if Parent X holds a Power Item, that IV/stat will override a random other IV/stat. My explanation still accounts for that (last sentence).

    If both parents hold different Power Items, the IV/stat of both Power Items will be passed down, and the third IV is taken from a random parent again.

    I think you may be misunderstanding it, since I went and condensed the whole process into that one paragraph.
  13. R4M3N

    R4M3N

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2009
    Messages:
    23
    Errors with the HG/SS Move Tutors?

    I have noticed inconsistencies with some of the moves that can be taught by tutors outside of Battle Frontier. I checked four sites (Smogon, Bulbapedia, Serebii, and Veekun) for this info and it was usually split, 50/50. I was looking stuff up for Role Play, specifically on Abomasnow and Bastiodon. Smogon's change notes for movesets in HG/SS (http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthr...ive+discussion) list Bastiodon as learning and Abomasnow as not learning it. That post was close to the release of the Japanese game. In my game, I have personally seen that Abomasnow can learn Role Play via the move tutor and Bastiodon can't. Was the info posted from the Japanese games? Did it change?

    I would like someone to verify in-game on a Japanese cart, if possible. As I said, I have tested both pokemon myself. Please don't look on a site and tell me that either of the pokes can/can't learn these moves...
  14. sanjay120

    sanjay120

    Joined:
    Aug 5, 2006
    Messages:
    2,737
    Anyone want to Pokesav a poison-type with Immunity and see if it absorbs Toxic Spikes? If you can somehow get a Poison/Steel type, that would be even better. I know Doug looked into the Shoddy code once, but that's the Shoddy code, not ingame.
  15. eric the espeon

    eric the espeon maybe I just misunderstood
    is a Forum Moderator Alumnusis a Researcher Alumnusis a CAP Contributor Alumnusis a Tiering Contributor Alumnusis a Contributor Alumnus

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2007
    Messages:
    3,694
    Requesting that this piece of information from Bulbapedia is tested before being added to site: "During a double battle, Download will add the two Pokémon's stats and calculate the lower stat between both."
  16. poccil

    poccil
    is a Researcher Alumnus

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2007
    Messages:
    400
    sanjay:

    I've just tested both those cases. The effect of Toxic Spikes still ends in both cases.
  17. Gothic Togekiss

    Gothic Togekiss
    is a CAP Contributor Alumnus

    Joined:
    Jun 1, 2007
    Messages:
    4,613
    So you managed to hack yourself a Poison/Steel type Pokemon and it absorbed Toxic Spikes. Can I ask how you did it? Better yet could you video tape your result so I could see it
  18. Zystral

    Zystral めんどくさい、な~
    is a Contributor Alumnusis a Smogon Media Contributor Alumnus

    Joined:
    Apr 16, 2009
    Messages:
    1,610
    Confirming after the result of three tests on Soul Silver;
    Blissey + Shuckle - Attack raised
    Gliscor + Shuckle - Attack raised
    Naive Shuckle + Impish Shuckle - SpAtk raised
  19. Axa

    Axa

    Joined:
    May 14, 2010
    Messages:
    403
    There are inconsistent movesets between the sites; possibly because they just didn't bother checking every single Pokemon with every possible tutor.

    For example, Serebii lists Floatzel as being able to learn Low Kick from the tutor, which is correct, while Bulbapedia and Smogon don't even list it.
  20. Staraptor Call

    Staraptor Call

    Joined:
    Mar 7, 2009
    Messages:
    1,422
    Currently in Shoddy Battle, using Pain Split causes the user to take Life Orb recoil. This isn't how it works in-game, however.
  21. Mario With Lasers

    Mario With Lasers Self-proclaimed DEAD king
    is a Forum Moderator Alumnusis a CAP Contributor Alumnus

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2006
    Messages:
    7,345
    On the Power Item matter, I've done some testing a few months ago, and one of the tests was breeding two Paras, female with Power Anklet, male with Power Weight. Out of the 50 Eggs, there were 3 who inherited the mother's HP, and 4 inherited the father's Speed. So yeah, I really am not understanding this "they always inherit X's IV" talk.

    And I'm pretty sure I used to get the Power IV passed down only 50% of the time when only one parent was holding one, but as I'm not going to retest it right now, I will stay silent.
  22. Ericcc

    Ericcc

    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2009
    Messages:
    1,716

    I thought that this question from the Simple Requests thread aught to be put here
  23. poccil

    poccil
    is a Researcher Alumnus

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2007
    Messages:
    400
    After some further research I can finally say how individual values are inherited in the new games. This is how it works:
  24. DDRMaster

    DDRMaster

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2008
    Messages:
    2,694
    I remember I got a Wonder Guard Spiritomb from my friend a while ago that had Judement hacked onto it. When I gave it a Fist Plate, Judgement became a Fighting type move. This was in Diamond, BTW.
  25. Zystral

    Zystral めんどくさい、な~
    is a Contributor Alumnusis a Smogon Media Contributor Alumnus

    Joined:
    Apr 16, 2009
    Messages:
    1,610
    for cohesion, change the last line to "the baby then recives another random IV from a random parent ...etc."
    but otherwise, I agree. I did a lot more testing myself and it is a random chance whether the mother's or the father's power item is passed on.

Users Viewing Thread (Users: 0, Guests: 0)