DPP Latias (Bait Latias)*

[EspyJoel]

This is a Latias I've been using for a while in OU and it is a very effective lure for Scizor and other Pokemon thinking your stuck on a certain move. Spoke to C_M and he said it was fine to write it up, would have done it earlier, but obviously Lucario took priority.

http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/latias
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[SET]
name: Bait Latias
move 1: Draco Meteor / Dragon Pulse
move 2: Hidden Power Fire
move 3: Surf
move 4: Thunderbolt / Grass Knot
item: Expert Belt
nature: Timid
evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
ivs: 6 Atk / 30 SpA / 30 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Latias makes a great lure for many Pokemon, and with an Expert Belt attached, your opponent will likely assume she has a Choice Scarf after seeing no recoil damage, and will think they are safe to send in a Pokemon that is resistant or immune to Latias' selected move. Draco Meteor is your strongest attack, dealing solid damage even when resisted. Hidden Power Fire is mainly for Scizor, which this set makes a very effective lure for. Hidden Power Fire will always OHKO both 248 HP and 160 HP / 168 SpD versions. Draco Meteor followed by Hidden Power Fire will also 2HKO both of the aforementioned Scizor, but Stealth Rock support is required. Bullet Punch from 252 Atk Adamant Choice Band Scizor will do 58.61% - 68.87% to Latias, but Scizor is more likely to use Pursuit or U-turn after switching in on Draco Meteor, as Expert Belt helps fake a Choice Scarf. Dragon Pulse can replace Draco Meteor, since it makes it harder for opponent's to set up against you by switching a Steel-type into Draco Meteor; you will, however, will lose an OHKO on Latias, as well as general power. Surf hits Heatran harder than any other move as well as hitting Tyranitar, although she will only 3HKO the common 252 HP Tyranitar. Thunderbolt finishes off the set by hitting Water- and Flying-types hard, Gyarados in particular, without lowering her Special Attack.</p>

<p>Surf and Thunderbolt are the best options for the last two slots, as they help in bluffing a Choice Scarf, but there are other options to choose from. Grass Knot hits Tyranitar harder than any other move, but still won’t 2HKO 252 HP ones, and is also an OHKO on Swampert. Recover can also be used to restore health so Latias can stay around longer to counter Pokemon such as Infernape and Zapdos, but should only be used after you have revealed the lack of Choice Scarf so you don’t spoil the surprise. Latias' Speed drops a point due to lowering your IVs with Hidden Power Fire, so she won't outspeed opposing Gengar and Latias; however, maximum Speed is still generally preferred so that she can Speed tie with Hidden Power Fire versions of the aforementioned Pokemon. An alternative EV spread is using 184 Speed EVs to outspeed 192 Speed Infernape, with the extra 72 EVs invested in HP.</p>

<p>Blissey completely laughs at this set due to her massive HP combined with high Special Defense. Snorlax also does for similar reasons and even has Pursuit to take out a fleeing Latias. Tyranitar is a major problem for this set since she can’t 2HKO 252 HP ones, while Tyranitar can take out Latias with Pursuit as she flees. Steel-types, such as Jirachi and Metagross, switching in on Draco Meteor are an annoyance, as at -2 SpA Latias will do minimal damage, while they both have their own ways of taking out Latias. However, they cannot switch in constantly as Draco Meteor does around 33% on average to both 4 HP Jirachi and 252 HP Metagross. Due to the loss of Speed from running Hidden Power Fire, Gengar and opposing Latias will outspeed Latias, assuming they lack Hidden Power Fire. This is an issue as both of them OHKO with Shadow Ball and Draco Meteor, respectively.</p>

<p>Fighting-types such as Heracross, Infernape, Lucario, and Machamp are solid partners to scare off Blissey, Snorlax, and Tyranitar, and they can all take advantage of this by setting up a Nasty Plot, Substitute, or Swords Dance. Machamp is the preferred partner of those four as it has the Defense to take repeated hits from Tyranitar in particular, and can even Rest off the damage. Magnezone is a great partner to trap the aforementioned Steel-types coming in to take a Draco Meteor. With them out the way, Latias will have a much easier time at a sweep. Pursuit users, such as Metagross, Scizor, Snorlax, and Tyranitar are great partners for trapping Gengar and opposing Latias. They also do great against Blissey, and the former two against Tyranitar. Shuca Berry Heatran (or Heatran with any berry, for that matter) with Explosion makes a great partner as it can lure in and KO Blissey with Explosion, since the berry helps fake Choice Scarf. Heatran also scares off the aforementioned Steel-types.</p>

<p>Since this set is great at luring in and taking out Scizor, Pokemon to take advantage of this are great partners. Azelf and Gengar, for example, all appreciate the lack of Scizor. Dragon Dance Tyranitar will also appreciate this as it will no longer have to run Babiri Berry to deal with it. Dragon Dance Salamence is another Pokemon who will appreciate Scizor being taken out, and if you run Magnezone, Salamence won’t have to run Fire Blast. The lack of Scizor also makes it easier for Salamence to Outrage without the fear of being revenge killed.</p>

 

[Kachalski]

This is a Latias I've been using for a while in OU and it is a very effective lure for Scizor and other Pokemon thinking your stuck on a certain move. Spoke to C_M and he said it was fine to write it up, would have done it earlier, but obviously Lucario took priority.

http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/latias
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[SET]
name: Bait Latias
move 1: Draco Meteor
move 2: Hidden Power Fire
move 3: Thunderbolt
move 4: Surf
item: Expert Belt
nature: Timid
evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
ivs: 6 Atk / 30 SpA / 30 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Latias makes a great lure for many Pokemon, and with an Expert Belt attached, they will likely assume you have a Choice Scarf after seeing no recoil damage, and will think they are safe. Draco Meteor is your strongest attack, dealing heavy damage to even resistant Pokemon. Scizor, the Pokemon you aim to be luring, is KO'd if it switches into Draco Meteor, followed up by Hidden Power Fire, but Stealth Rock support is required. Hidden Power Fire will OHKO 248 HP or 160 HP / 168 SpD Scizor, but Latias must have above 80% health to survive a Bullet Punch. Thunderbolt hits Water- and Flying-types hard, Gyarados in particular, without lowering your Special Attack. Surf finishes off the set by hitting Heatran harder than any other move as well as hitting Tyranitar, although you will only 3HKO the common 252 HP Tyranitar.</p>

<p>Surf and Thunderbolt are the best options, along with Draco Meteor and HP Fire, as they are the most common moves on Choice Scarf Latias, but there are other options. Grass Knot hits Tyranitar harder than any other move, but still won’t 2HKO 252 HP ones. It is also a OHKO on Swampert. Recover can also be used to restore health so Latias can stay around longer to counter Pokemon such as Infernape and Zapdos, but should only be used after you have revealed the lack of Choice Scarf so you don’t spoil the surprise. Although you could drop your Speed a bit since due to Hidden Power Fire lowering your Speed, you won’t outspeed opposing Gengar and Latias, max Speed is still generally preferred so that you can Speed tie with Hidden Power Fire versions of the aforementioned Pokemon. However, 216 Speed can be used to outspeed Mixape, with the extra 40 EVs invested in HP..</p>

<p>Blissey completely laughs at this set due to its massive HP combined with high Special Defense. Snorlax also does for similar reasons and even has Pursuit to take out a fleeing Latias. Tyranitar is a major problem for this set since it can’t 2HKO 252 HP ones, while Tyranitar can take out Latias with Pursuit as it flees. Steel-types such as Jirachi and Metagross switching in on Draco Meteor is an annoyance, as at -2 SpA Latias will do minimal damage, while Metagross sometimes has Pursuit to trap a fleeing Latias, and Jirachi can take the time to set up a Substitute or just fire off an attack, however, they cannot switch in constantly, as Draco Meteor does around 40% to both. Due to the loss of Speed from running Hidden Power Fire, Gengar and opposing Latias outspeed you. This is an issue, as both can OHKO with Shadow Ball and Draco Metoer respecivly.</p>

<p>Fighting-types such as Heracross, Infernape, Lucario, and Machamp are solid partners to scare off Blissey, Snorlax, and Tyranitar, and they can all take advantage of this by setting up a Nasty Plot, Substitute, or Swords Dance. Machamp is the preferred partner, as it can take repeated hits from Tyranitar, resting off the damage, while threatening it away with DynamicPunch/Low Kick. Magnezone is a great partner to trap the aforementioned Steel-types coming in to take a Draco Meteor. With them out the way, Latias will have a much easier time at a sweep. Pursuit users, such as Metagross, Scizor, Snorlax, and Tyranitar are great partners for trapping Gengar and opposing Latias. They also all do great against Blissey, and the former two against Tyranitar. BaitTran makes a great partner as it can lure and KO Blissey with Explosion. Heatran also does scares off the aforementioned Steel-types.</p>

<p>Since this set is great at luring in and taking out Scizor, Pokemon to take advantage of this are great partners. Azelf and Gengar, for example, all appreciate the lack of Scizor. Dragon Dance Tyranitar will also appreciate this as it will no longer have to run Babiri Berry to deal with Scizor. Dragon Dance Salamence is another Pokemon who will appreciate Scizor being taken out, and if you run a Magnezone, it won’t have to run Fire Blast. The lack of Scizor also makes it easier for Salamence to Outrage without fearing being revenge killed.</p>

Changes in bold

rewrote a couple of sections that I thought sounded a bit odd, but apart from that, it's good.

 

[EspyJoel]

Edited it to take into account some of those changes.

 

[Fuzznip]

Hey Joel! Another proofread won't hurt, would it?

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Bait Latias

[SET]
name: Bait Latias
move 1: Draco Meteor
move 2: Hidden Power Fire
move 3: Thunderbolt
move 4: Surf
item: Expert Belt
nature: Timid
evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
ivs: 6 Atk / 30 SpA / 30 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Latias makes a great lure for many Pokemon, and with an Expert Belt attached, they your opponent will likely assume you she has a Choice Scarf after seeing no recoil damage, and will think they are safe to send in a Pokemon that is resistant or immune to Latias' selected move. Draco Meteor is your strongest attack, dealing solid damage even when resisted. Hidden Power Fire is mainly for Scizor, which this set makes a very effective lure for. Hidden Power Fire will always OHKO both 248 HP and 160 HP / 168 SpD versions. Draco Meteor followed by Hidden Power Fire will also 2HKO both of the aforementioned Scizor, but Stealth Rock support is required. Bullet Punch from 252 Atk Scizor will do 58.61% - 68.87% to Latias, but Scizor is more likely to use Pursuit or U-turn after switching in on Draco Meteor, as Expert Belt helps fake a Choice Scarf. Thunderbolt hits Water- and Flying-types hard, Gyarados in particular, without lowering your Special Attack. Surf finishes off the set by hitting Heatran harder than any other move, as well as hitting Tyranitar, although you will only 3HKO the common 252 HP Tyranitar.</p>

<p>Surf and Thunderbolt are the best options for the last two slots, as they help in faking a Choice Scarf, but there are other options to choose from. Grass Knot hits Tyranitar harder than any other move, but still won’t 2HKO 252 HP ones, and. It is also an OHKO on Swampert. Recover can also be used to restore health so Latias can stay around longer to counter Pokemon such as Infernape and Zapdos, but should only be used after you have revealed the lack of Choice Scarf so you don’t spoil the surprise. Although you could drop your Latias' Speed drops a bit since due to Hidden Power Fire lowering your Speed, she won’t outspeed opposing Gengar and Latias; however, max Speed is still generally preferred so that you can Speed tie with Hidden Power Fire versions of the aforementioned Pokemon. However, An alternative EV spread is by using 216 Speed can be used to outspeed 192 Speed Infernape, with the extra 40 EVs invested in HP.</p>

<p>Blissey completely laughs at this set due to its her massive HP combined with high Special Defense. Snorlax also does for similar reasons and even has Pursuit to take out a fleeing Latias. Tyranitar is a major problem for this set since it she can’t 2HKO 252 HP ones, while Tyranitar can take out Latias with Pursuit as it she flees. Steel-types such as Jirachi and Metagross switching in on Draco Meteor is an annoyance, as at -2 SpA, Latias will do minimal damage, while Metagross sometimes has Pursuit to trap a fleeing Latias, and Jirachi can take the time to set up a Substitute or just fire off an attack. However, they cannot switch in constantly as Draco Meteor does around 33% on average to both 4 HP Jirachi and 252 HP Metagross. Due to the loss of Speed from running Hidden Power Fire, Gengar and opposing Latias will outspeed you, assuming they lack Hidden Power Fire. This is an issue as both of them OHKO with Shadow Ball and Draco Meteor, respectively.</p>

<p>Fighting-types such as Heracross, Infernape, Lucario, and Machamp are solid partners to scare off Blissey, Snorlax, and Tyranitar, and they can all take advantage of this by setting up a Nasty Plot, Substitute, or Swords Dance. Machamp is the preferred partner of those four as it has the Defense to take repeated hits from Tyranitar in particluar, and can even Rest off the damage. Magnezone is a great partner to trap the aforementioned Steel-types coming in to take a Draco Meteor. With them out the way, Latias will have a much easier time at a sweep. Pursuit users, such as Metagross, Scizor, Snorlax, and Tyranitar, are great partners for trapping Gengar and opposing Latias. They also all do great against Blissey, and the former two against Tyranitar. Shuca Berry Heatran (why Shuca Berry in particular? Explain!) with Explosion makes a great partner as it can lure in and KO Blissey with Explosion. Heatran also does scares off the aforementioned Steel-types.</p>

<p>Since this set is great at luring in and taking out Scizor, Pokemon to take advantage of this are great partners. Azelf and Gengar, for example, all appreciate the lack of Scizor. Dragon Dance Tyranitar will also appreciate this as it will no longer have to run Babiri Berry to deal with Scizor it. Dragon Dance Salamence is another Pokemon who will appreciate Scizor being taken out, and if you run a Magnezone, it won’t have to run Fire Blast. The lack of Scizor also makes it easier for Salamence to Outrage without the fear of fearing being revenge killed.</p>

Nice stuff Joel!

There weren't many problems throughout the analysis, as it was well written. My only concern is that you try to refer to Latias as "she", since she is a female and her current analysis on-site refers to her as that. So, if I missed any "it", swap them for her/she.

Also, is this set basically used just to fake a Scarf and take out Scizor? I mean, if that's what it's supposed to do, I'm pretty sure the Life Orb + Three Attacks set can just include Hidden Power Fire and Expert Belt. You know, it can be called like "Standard Sweeper" or something like that, and mention that using an Expert Belt can fake a Scarf and take out Scizor with HP Fire.

Anyway, it's your set, so it's up to you to decide. All in all, good work! :)

 

[EspyJoel]

Thanks Fuzznip, edited those in.

 

[youknowwhoitis]

Consider Grass Knot over Thunderbolt for the 2HKO on Tyranitar?

 

[Fuzznip]

Consider Grass Knot over Thunderbolt for the 2HKO on Tyranitar?

He mentions Grass Knot already, but didn't actually slash it. I'd rather use Thunderbolt instead of Grass Knot anyway for the better coverage, even though it has the potential to 2HKO Tyranitar. Also, Surf will be a 2HKO on Tar anyway once it has received a little bit of prior damage.

 

[Scofield]

you know, I see no reason not to run dragon pulse over draco meteor. yeah, you don't hit neutral mons for quite as much, but with exceptional super effective coverage, I don't see why this is a big deal. You no longer land the ko on opposing latias, but you'll never outspeed said latias anyways thanks to hp fire's speed drop. A miss can be costly, as precision is very much valued on this set. You also don't want to prematurely shoot your wad with draco meteor. Let's say you're playing stall, the first time you come out your opponent goes to blissey, thinks you're scarfed, you switch out. Next time you're out against something you'll normally draco meteor (um, rotom?) so instead of going to blissey they go to skarmory expecting the trick or draco meteor, thinking he can get up a layer or 2 of spikes. If you dm, your tbolt is no longer enough to ko those nice special defense skarms and you've blown your element of surprise and let your opponent get up a layer of spikes. This is very specific example, but there are many applications of this. I ran a very similiar set with draco meteor before deciding to switch to dragon pulse, and I never missed dm after the switch. At the very least it's a slash in.

 

[Darkmalice]

An alternative EV spread is using 216 Speed EVs to outspeed 192 Speed Infernape, with the extra 40 EVs invested in HP.</p>

Wouldn't this be the better EV spread? With HP Fire lowering you Speed IVs, you would already be slower than other base 110s, and maxing out Speed would be useless.

I also agree that Grass Knot should be slashed in with Thunderbolt for hitting Ttar and Suicune harder. It's slashed in with Thunderbolt in the Life Orb + 3 attack sets, so it might as well be slashed in on this as well.

I also believe Recover deserves a slash in this slot. Thunderbolt's primary use is for Skarmory, but as long as it's not max/max and Careful, HP Fire will already 2HKO Skarm. Draco Meteor can already hit Water- and Flying-types hard.

 

[EspyJoel]

@scofield - I've put Dragon Pulse as a slash with a mention.
@Darkmalice - A decent amount of Gengar and Latias run HP Fire so I think Speed tying with them will come in advantage more times than those extra HP EVs. I'll slash in Grass Knot, but keep Recover as just a mention.

 

[Darkmalice]

In October, 19.5% of Gengar and 15.0% of Latias used HP Fire. There's a very good chance that Bait Latias will be slower than both of them, and even if they do use HP Fire, it's only a speed tie, and you may be unwilling to risk a Shadow Ball or Dragon Pulse / Draco Meteor to the face. Plus you would probably have some reliable way on your team for dealing with these two Pokemon (cough Pursuit), and this is mentioned in your Team Options section.

 

[Darkmalice]

Sorry to double post, but I just noticed this:

Although Latias' Speed drops a bit due to Hidden Power Fire, she won’t outspeed opposing Gengar and Latias; however, maximum Speed is still generally preferred so that she can Speed tie with Hidden Power Fire versions of the aforementioned Pokemon. An alternative EV spread is using 216 Speed EVs to outspeed 192 Speed Infernape, with the extra 40 EVs invested in HP.</p>

"Although" is very confusing, so this first sentence should be changed to this:

Latias' Speed drops a bit due to lowering your IVs with Hidden Power Fire, so she won't outspeed opposing Gengar and Latias

Also added "lowering your IVs with," as it is more specific than simply Hidden Power Fire.

Also, you need 220 Spe EVs due to the loss of IVs from HP Fire, not 216.

 

[EspyJoel]

Fixed, thanks.

 

[jc104]

I make it that you only need 184 speed EVs to outrun 192 speed Infernape (albeit with an uncomfortable 1 point margin)

 

[EspyJoel]

Fixed.

 

[Shimrit As]

Dragon Dance Salamence is another Pokemon who will appreciate Scizor being taken out, and if you run Magnezone, it won’t have to run Fire Blast.

Sorry, it seems like you're saying its Magnezone won't need to run Fire Blast, which is confusing because it doesn't learn Fire Blast in the first place. I think you mean HP Fire? Just something I found a little odd.

 

[RaikouLover]

Just curious as to what this set accomplishes that can't be accomplished by a Calm Mind / Dragon Pulse / HP Fire / Recover Latias, or a Draco Meteor / Surf / Thunderbolt @ LO Latias wouldn't? Both beat Scizor, and the LO will beat Tyranitar (you can even get to see if Surf did too much, meaning that Tar has no HP invested and is Scarf!). Honestly, this seems like a waste of Latias defensive potential just to beat Scizor...

 

[6A9 Ace Matador]

The set fakes a Choice Scarf using Expert Belt and kills Scizor and other stuff more effectively obviously.

 

[EspyJoel]

Sorry, it seems like you're saying its Magnezone won't need to run Fire Blast, which is confusing because it doesn't learn Fire Blast in the first place. I think you mean HP Fire? Just something I found a little odd.

It seems quite obvious to me that its stating its Salamence running Fire Blast. Magnezone traps many bulky Steel-types, so Salamence doesn't need Fire Blast to deal with them. I'll change the "it" to Salamence though to avoid any chance of this being thought though.

Just curious as to what this set accomplishes that can't be accomplished by a Calm Mind / Dragon Pulse / HP Fire / Recover Latias, or a Draco Meteor / Surf / Thunderbolt @ LO Latias wouldn't? Both beat Scizor, and the LO will beat Tyranitar (you can even get to see if Surf did too much, meaning that Tar has no HP invested and is Scarf!). Honestly, this seems like a waste of Latias defensive potential just to beat Scizor...

Did you not read the description, its clearly stated. For example, with Scizor, the reason this set is so much more effective at taking it out is because when Scizor switches in on the Draco Meteor or Surf or whatever, it will see no LO recoil or Leftovers recovery and so feel safe that you have a Choice Scarf, and so will very likely use Pursuit or U-turn allowing you to HP Fire it, whereas with LO, HP Fire is more expected and there is a much higher chance of them deciding to Bullet Punch you, especially if you are at low health.

 

[RaikouLover]

other than killing Scizor in that particular fashion I see no upside as to what else this set would accomplish, that was my inquiry...

 

[Hegna]

I don't think you have to mention lowering Sp.A and Spe or Atk. HP fire implies that you have 30 Sp.A and 30 Spe, and 6 Atk is the only way to keep HP Fire 70 on latias as far as I know.
You don't need to mention the IV changes at all.

Plus I don't really see the benefits of this over any other latias that carries HP fire.

 

[jc104]

In response to the above post, it is extremely helpful to tell people what IV spread to use, so that they don't have to waste time working it out. The speed IV is particualrly relevant and does affect how you use the set, because you can't speed tie with other base 110s (this is is why an alternative EV spread is given.) In fact, it may be beneficial to make it even more obvious by putting it to the side as it is in some other analyses.

 

[Snorlaxe]

This is a Latias I've been using for a while in OU and it is a very effective lure for Scizor and other Pokemon thinking your stuck on a certain move. Spoke to C_M and he said it was fine to write it up, would have done it earlier, but obviously Lucario took priority.

http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/latias
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[SET]
name: Bait Latias
move 1: Draco Meteor / Dragon Pulse
move 2: Hidden Power Fire
move 3: Surf
move 4: Thunderbolt / Grass Knot
item: Expert Belt
nature: Timid
evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
ivs: 6 Atk / 30 SpA / 30 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Latias makes a great lure for many Pokemon, and with an Expert Belt attached, your opponent will likely assume she has a Choice Scarf or choice specs after seeing no recoil damage, and will think that they are safe to send in a Pokemon that is resistant or immune to Latias' selected move. Draco Meteor is your strongest attack, dealing solid damage even when resisted. Hidden Power Fire is mainly for Scizor, which this set makes a very effective lure for. Hidden Power Fire will always OHKO both 248 HP and 160 HP / 168 SpD versions. Draco Meteor followed by Hidden Power Fire will also 2HKO both of the aforementioned Scizor, but Stealth Rock support is required. Bullet Punch from 252 Atk Adamant Choice Band Scizor will do 58.61% - 68.87% to Latias, but Scizor is more likely to use Pursuit or U-turn after switching in on Draco Meteor, as Expert Belt helps fake a Choice Scarf. Dragon Pulse can replace Draco Meteor, since it makes it harder for opponent's to set up against you by switching a Steel-type into Draco Meteor; you will, however, lose an OHKO on Latias, as well as general power. Surf hits Heatran harder than any other move as well as hitting Tyranitar, although she will only 3HKO the common 252 HP Tyranitar. Thunderbolt finishes off the set by hitting Water- and Flying-types hard, Gyarados in particular, without lowering her Special Attack. I might give a little mention here about the paralysis rate, but it doesn't matter a whole lot, its up to you.</p>

<p>Surf and Thunderbolt are the best options for the last two slots, as they help in bluffing (I think its a better word, but again its up to you) a Choice Scarf, but there are other options to choose from. Grass Knot hits Tyranitar harder than any other move, but still won’t 2HKO 252 HP ones, and is also an OHKO on Swampert. Recover can also be used to restore health so Latias can stay around longer to counter Pokemon such as Infernape and Zapdos, but should only be used after you have revealed the lack of Choice Scarf so you don’t spoil the surprise. Latias's Speed drops a point due to lowering your IVs with Hidden Power Fire, so she won't outspeed opposing Gengar and Latias; however, maximum Speed is still generally preferred so that she can Speed tie with Hidden Power Fire versions of the aforementioned Pokemon. An alternative EV spread is using 184 Speed EVs to outspeed 192 Speed Infernape, with the extra 72 EVs invested in HP.</p>

<p>Blissey completely laughs at this set due to her massive HP combined with high Special Defense. Snorlax also does for similar reasons and even has Pursuit to take out a fleeing Latias. Tyranitar is a major problem for this set since she can’t 2HKO 252 HP ones, while Tyranitar can take out Latias with Pursuit as she flees. Steel-types, such as Jirachi and Metagross, switching in on Draco Meteor is an annoyance, as at -2 SpA Latias will do minimal damage, while Metagross sometimes has Pursuit to trap a fleeing Latias, and Jirachi can take the time to set up a Substitute, or just fire off an attack. (I would try to shorten up this sentence because it seems like a run-on sentence just a tad) However, they cannot switch in constantly as Draco Meteor does around 33% on average to both 4 HP Jirachi and 252 HP Metagross. Due to the loss of Speed from running Hidden Power Fire, Gengar and opposing Latias will outspeed Latias, assuming they lack Hidden Power Fire. This is an issue as both of them OHKO with Shadow Ball and Draco Meteor respectively.</p>

<p>Fighting-types such as Heracross, Infernape, Lucario, and Machamp are solid partners to scare off Blissey, Snorlax, and Tyranitar, and they can all take advantage of this by setting up a Nasty Plot, Substitute, or Swords Dance. Machamp is the preferred partner of those four as it has the Defense to take repeated hits from Tyranitar in particular, and can even Rest off the damage. Magnezone is a great partner to trap the aforementioned Steel-types coming in to take a Draco Meteor. With them out the way, Latias will have a much easier time at a sweep. Pursuit users, such as Metagross, Scizor, Snorlax, and Tyranitar are great partners for trapping Gengar and opposing Latias. They also do great against Blissey, and the former two against Tyranitar. Shuca Berry Heatran (or Heatran with any berry, for that matter) with Explosion makes a great partner as it can lure in and KO Blissey with Explosion, since the berry helps fake Choice Scarf. Heatran also scares off the aforementioned Steel-types.</p>

<p>Since this set is great at luring in and taking out Scizor, Pokemon to take advantage of this are great partners. Azelf and Gengar, for example, all appreciate the lack of Scizor. Dragon Dance Tyranitar will also appreciate this as it will no longer have to run Babiri Berry to deal with it. Dragon Dance Salamence is another Pokemon who will appreciate Scizor being taken out, and if you run Magnezone, Salamence won’t have to run Fire Blast. The lack of Scizor also makes it easier for Salamence to Outrage without the fear of being revenge killed.</p>

Changes in blue, additions in green, comments in purple.

Excellent write-up joel, didn't find much of anything to correct, and the last two paragraphs were perfect.

 

[EspyJoel]

Thanks Snorlaxe, edited in what was needed from that. The main thing I didn't put in is "or Choice Specs" as this sets power is not comparable to the Choice Specs set so that assumption will not be taken.

 

[DJXO9]

[SET]
name: Bait Latias
move 1: Draco Meteor / Dragon Pulse
move 2: Hidden Power Fire
move 3: Surf
move 4: Thunderbolt / Grass Knot
item: Expert Belt
nature: Timid
evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
ivs: 6 Atk / 30 SpA / 30 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Latias makes a great lure for many Pokemon, and with an Expert Belt attached, your opponent will likely assume she has a Choice Scarf after seeing no recoil damage, and will think they are safe to send in a Pokemon that is resistant or immune to Latias' selected move. Draco Meteor is your strongest attack, dealing solid damage even when resisted. Hidden Power Fire is mainly for Scizor, which this set makes a very effective lure for. Hidden Power Fire will always OHKO both 248 HP and 160 HP / 168 SpD versions. Draco Meteor followed by Hidden Power Fire will also 2HKO both of the aforementioned Scizor, but Stealth Rock support is required. Bullet Punch from 252 Atk Adamant Choice Band Scizor will do 58.61% - 68.87% to Latias, but Scizor is more likely to use Pursuit or U-turn after switching in on Draco Meteor, as Expert Belt helps fake a Choice Scarf. Dragon Pulse can replace Draco Meteor, since it makes it harder for opponent's to set up against you by switching a Steel-type into Draco Meteor; you will, however, will lose an OHKO on Latias, as well as general power. Surf hits Heatran harder than any other move as well as hitting Tyranitar, although she will only 3HKO the common 252 HP Tyranitar. Thunderbolt finishes off the set by hitting Water- and Flying-types hard, Gyarados in particular, without lowering her Special Attack.</p>

<p>Surf and Thunderbolt are the best options for the last two slots, as they help in bluffing a Choice Scarf, but there are other options to choose from. Grass Knot hits Tyranitar harder than any other move, but still won’t 2HKO 252 HP ones, and is also an OHKO on Swampert. Recover can also be used to restore health so Latias can stay around longer to counter Pokemon such as Infernape and Zapdos, but should only be used after you have revealed the lack of Choice Scarf so you don’t spoil the surprise. Latias' Speed drops a point due to lowering your IVs with Hidden Power Fire, so she won't outspeed opposing Gengar and Latias; however, maximum Speed is still generally preferred so that she can Speed tie with Hidden Power Fire versions of the aforementioned Pokemon. An alternative EV spread is using 184 Speed EVs to outspeed 192 Speed Infernape, with the extra 72 EVs invested in HP.</p>

<p>Blissey completely laughs at this set due to her massive HP combined with high Special Defense. Snorlax also does for similar reasons and even has Pursuit to take out a fleeing Latias. Tyranitar is a major problem for this set since she can’t 2HKO 252 HP ones, while Tyranitar can take out Latias with Pursuit as she flees. Steel-types, such as Jirachi and Metagross, switching in on Draco Meteor are an annoyance, as at -2 SpA Latias will do minimal damage, while they both have their own ways of taking out Latias. However, they cannot switch in constantly as Draco Meteor does around 33% on average to both 4 HP Jirachi and 252 HP Metagross. Due to the loss of Speed from running Hidden Power Fire, Gengar and opposing Latias will outspeed Latias, assuming they lack Hidden Power Fire. This is an issue as both of them OHKO with Shadow Ball and Draco Meteor, respectively.</p>

<p>Fighting-types such as Heracross, Infernape, Lucario, and Machamp are solid partners to scare off Blissey, Snorlax, and Tyranitar, and they can all take advantage of this by setting up a Nasty Plot, Substitute, or Swords Dance. Machamp is the preferred partner of those four as it has the Defense to take repeated hits from Tyranitar in particular, and can even Rest off the damage. Magnezone is a great partner to trap the aforementioned Steel-types coming in to take a Draco Meteor. With them out the way, Latias will have a much easier time at a sweep. Pursuit users, such as Metagross, Scizor, Snorlax, and Tyranitar are great partners for trapping Gengar and opposing Latias. They also do great against Blissey, and the former two against Tyranitar. Shuca Berry Heatran (or Heatran with any berry, for that matter) with Explosion makes a great partner as it can lure in and KO Blissey with Explosion, since the berry helps fake Choice Scarf. Heatran also scares off the aforementioned Steel-types.</p>

<p>Since this set is great at luring in and taking out Scizor, Pokemon to take advantage of this are great partners. Azelf and Gengar, for example, all appreciate the lack of Scizor. Dragon Dance Tyranitar will also appreciate this as it will no longer have to run Babiri Berry to deal with it. Dragon Dance Salamence is another Pokemon who will appreciate Scizor being taken out, and if you run Magnezone, Salamence won’t have to run Fire Blast. The lack of Scizor also makes it easier for Salamence to Outrage without the fear of being revenge killed.</p>

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