DPPt in-game tiers.

#28
Nah, I've used him. Lucario is the first heavy-hitter against Drifblim, did over 100 damage with its Metal Claw, unboosted with no crit. Drifblim simply cannot take hits, I retired him just after the 6th gym (Byron).
oh okay

sorry then -.-

Im thinking of some CM sets with some of its movepool.... As far as i know, Drifblim can be acquired at high level during early game
 
#29
oh okay

sorry then -.-

Im thinking of some CM sets with some of its movepool.... As far as i know, Drifblim can be acquired at high level during early game
It's 22 in DP, but 15 in Platinum.

DP Drifloon could help immediately by being a good asset against Gardenia, but the fact that you have to train it in Platinum puts me off... and consider that Gardenia is already very easy for a gym leader, Drifloon seems pretty superfluous (i mean, starly is everywhere and you do go through a wurmple-infested forest prior to that, even buneary performs better because lol102bpfrustration)

Drifloon sucks imo and he gets a relatively easy gym that you have tons of other options for: it's faster to just smash through Eterna Gym with Staravia instead of dicking around with Drifloon's Gust. Platinum gets him an extra gym before his stipulated expiry date called Maylene's Lucario, which he happens to be pretty eh in because he has Astonish against... Shadow Claw.

Drifloon for bottom. I guess he can be... cute? Despite 150 HP, his 44 defense makes it very difficult to take hits, and his TM coverage is limited to Thunderbolt and Silver Wind, while in terms of levelup moves he gets... Payback. He might be able to pull off a niche with passing stockpiles, but you might as well just smash the enemy with something else (hint: staraptor)

also, stunky, zubat, croagunk and glameow are some of the most common enemies in the game, and drifblim has issues against most of them (he doesn't die to only Croagunk).
 
#32
Hello guys.

Do you know if this kind of list exist for Platinum for example ?
Aspertia City: Snivy, Tepig, Oshawott
Route 19: Patrat, Purrloin
Route 20: Sewaddle, Pidove, Sunkern
Floccesy Ranch: Lillipup, Azurill, Mareep, Psyduck, Riolu
---Gym 1---
Route 20: Venipede, Audino, Dunsparce
Virbank Complex: Magby [Black Version 2], Elekid [White Version 2], Koffing, Magnemite, Growlithe
---Gym 2---
Castelia Sewers: Rattata, Zubat, Grimer
Relic Passage [Part 1]: Roggenrola, Woobat, Timburr, Onix, Drilbur [Dust Clouds only]
Castelia City: Cottonee [Black Version 2], Petilil [White Version 2], Buneary [Black Version 2], Skitty [White Version 2], Eevee - Vaporeon, Eevee - Jolteon, Eevee - Flareon, Eevee - Espeon, Eevee - Umbreon
Route 4: Sandile, Darumaka, Scraggy, Trubbish [Black Version 2], Minccino [White Version 2], Braviary [White Version 2, Monday], Mandibuzz [Black Version 2, Thursday]
---Gym 3---
Route 4: Braviary [White Version 2, Monday], Mandibuzz [Black Version 2, Thursday]
Desert Resort: Maractus, Scraggy, Sandshrew, Dwebble, Sigilyph, Trapinch
Relic Castle: Yamask
Route 16: Gothita [Black Version 2], Solosis [White Version 2], Minccino, Trubbish, Emolga
Lostlorn Forest: Roselia, Combee, Heracross [Black Version 2], Pinsir [White Version 2], Pansear, Panpour, Pansage
---Gym 4---
Driftveil Drawbridge: Ducklett
Driftveil City: Zorua
Route 6: Deerling, Shelmet, Foongus, Karrablast, Castform
Chargestone Cave: Joltik, Klink, Ferroseed, Tynamo, Nosepass
---Gym 5---
Relic Castle: Volcarona
Mistralton Cave: Aron, Axew
[Surf Unlocked] Frillish, Basculin, Buizel
Route 7: Zebstrika, Zangoose, Seviper, Cubchoo [Winter only]
Celestial Tower: Litwick, Elgyem
---Gym 6---
Reversal Mountain: Skorupi, Spoink [Black Version 2], Numel [White Version 2], Skarmory, Drifblim
Strange House: Banette
Undella Town: Staryu
Undella Bay: Remoraid, Spheal [Winter only]
Seaside Cave: Seel, Shuckle
Route 14: Swablu, Mienfoo, Absol
Route 13: Tangela, Pelipper, Lunatone, Solrock, Cobalion
Village Bridge: Lapras [Rippling Water only]
Route 11: Gligar, Virizion
Route 9: Pawniard
---Gym 7---
Route 22: Delibird, Terrakion
---Gym 8---
Giant Chasm: Clefairy, Vanillish, Sneasel, Piloswine, Ditto, Metang
Route 23: Bouffalant, Sawk, Throh, Vullaby [Black Version 2], Rufflet [White Version 2]
Victory Road: Golurk, Druddigon, Zweilous
 
#37
Diamond Pearl and Platinum should be treated as vastly different games shouldn't they? Bidoof is awesome in platinum due to simple curse, it can even solo Cynthia
 
#38
Here's the one for Diamond and Pearl, first, since you wanted it.

Verity Lakefront (1st Time): Turtwig, Chimchar, Piplup
Route 201: Starly, Bidoof
Route 202: Shinx, Kricketot
Route 208 (1st Time): Magikarp
Route 204: Zubat, Budew
Ravaged Path: Geodude
Route 203: Abra
Route 207: Machop
Oreburgh Mine: Onix
---Gym 1---
Valley Windworks: Pachirisu, Buizel, Shellos, Drifloon
Floaroma Meadow (Honey Tree): Aipom, Heracross, Wurmple, Silcoon [Diamond], Cascoon [Pearl], Burmy, Combee, Cherubi, Munchlax
Eterna Forest: Murkrow [Diamond], Misdreavus [Pearl], Beautifly [Diamond], Dustox [Pearl], Buneary
Eterna City: Chatot [Trade]
Route 211: Hoothoot, Meditite, Chingling
Mt. Coronet (1st Time): Clefairy, Cleffa
---Gym 2---
Old Chateau: Gastly, Rotom
Route 206: Kricketune, Stunky [Diamond], Bronzor
Wayward Cave: Gible
Oreburgh City: Cranidos [Diamond], Shieldon [Pearl]
Route 208: Psyduck, Bibarel
Hearthome City: Eevee, Happiny [Egg]
Route 209: Ponyta, Chansey, Staravia, Mime Jr. [Diamond], Bonsly [Pearl], Goldeen [Good Rod], Spiritomb [32 Player Encounters in Underground]
Lost Tower: Golbat
Solacean Ruins: Unown
Route 215: Kadabra
Route 214: Graveler, Sudowoodo [Pearl], Girafarig
Maniac Tunnel: Hippopotas
Route 213: Wingull, Floatzel, Remoraid [Good Rod]
Great Marsh: Marill, Wooper, Quagsire, Azurill, Barboach [Good Rod], Gyarados [Good Rod], Golduck [Varies Per Day], Roselia [Varies Per Day], Skorupi [Varies Per Day], Carnivine [Varies Per Day], Croagunk [Varies Per Day]
Trophy Garden (in Pokémon Mansion): Pikachu, Pichu
---Gym 3---
---Gym 4---
---Gym 5--- (I'm serious)
Route 210 (Second Time): Machoke
Fuego Ironworks: Luxio
Route 219: Finneon [Good Rod], Tentacool [Surfing], Tentacruel [Surfing], Pelipper [Surfing]
Route 221: Skuntank [Diamond]
Route 218 (Second Time): Mr. Mime [Diamond], Glameow [Pearl]
Iron Island: Steelix, Riolu [Egg]
---Gym 6---
Mt. Coronet (2nd Time): Feebas
Route 216: Sneasal, Snover
Acuity Lakefront: Medicham
Snowpoint City: Haunter
---Gym 7---
Mt. Coronet (3rd Time): Bronzong, Chimecho
Mt. Coronet Summit: Abomasnow
Spear Pillar: Dialga [Diamond], Palkia [Pearl]
Verity Cavern: Mesprit [Begins Roaming]
Acuity Cavern: Uxie
Valor Cavern: Azelf
Route 222: Purugly [Pearl]
Sunyshore City: Mantyke [Surfing]
---Gym 8---
No new Pokémon in Victory Road.
---Elite Four---
 
#39
Platinum have big differences ... ? (Except legendaries) because I almost never play 4th gen (Only HGSS) and I want to try a bit

Thanks already (and lol for Gym 3-4-5)
 
#40
It's 22 in DP, but 15 in Platinum.

DP Drifloon could help immediately by being a good asset against Gardenia, but the fact that you have to train it in Platinum puts me off... and consider that Gardenia is already very easy for a gym leader, Drifloon seems pretty superfluous (i mean, starly is everywhere and you do go through a wurmple-infested forest prior to that, even buneary performs better because lol102bpfrustration)

Drifloon sucks imo and he gets a relatively easy gym that you have tons of other options for: it's faster to just smash through Eterna Gym with Staravia instead of dicking around with Drifloon's Gust. Platinum gets him an extra gym before his stipulated expiry date called Maylene's Lucario, which he happens to be pretty eh in because he has Astonish against... Shadow Claw.

Drifloon for bottom. I guess he can be... cute? Despite 150 HP, his 44 defense makes it very difficult to take hits, and his TM coverage is limited to Thunderbolt and Silver Wind, while in terms of levelup moves he gets... Payback. He might be able to pull off a niche with passing stockpiles, but you might as well just smash the enemy with something else (hint: staraptor)

also, stunky, zubat, croagunk and glameow are some of the most common enemies in the game, and drifblim has issues against most of them (he doesn't die to only Croagunk).
Stunky and Zubat are EXTREMELY frequent, and the former is actually a legit threat for an efficient run. While Croagunk dies to any Flying type not named Drifloon, and Glameow's basically there to say "hi~I'mma annoy you now", Stunky often pack nasty moves like Night Slash, Poison Gas, and Screech.

Drifloon dies in Fantina's gym not because of Shadow Claw, but because of Mismagius Shadow Ball. It's probably the worst thing to send at Fantina because of this. Fantina herself is a HUGE obstacle in Platinum. Unlike DP, where you have stuff like Murkrow or Stunky to tell her team to die, everything you find is weak to one of Mismagius' moves (she has Psybeam, Magical Leaf and Shadow Ball). Simply saying you can take out her Mismagius is huge for the tier list, as it's easily the most difficult early game fight.

I'm very skeptical about Empoleon. You're using a water type in-game to deal with Fire and Ground types, and looking at his typing...he's probably the worst Water type for that. Unlike others, who are resistant to Fire and neutral to Ground, Empoleon is neutral to Fire and weak to Ground. This is pretty big, as Bertha shits all over Empoleon in all three games thanks to this. It's especially big in Platinum, where BOTH Bertha AND Flint shit all over Empoleon. Not to mention that Fire types found Sinnoh in Platinum, and you're not having to deal with silly Embers after Galactic goes away. Now you're dealing with Flamethrowers and Flare Blitzes. Empoleon isn't an effective Water type because of this.

Speaking of starters, Torterra's pretty bitchin'. Grass/Ground is an amazing typing for in-game, giving it two of the best STAB typings for in-game (Grass hits Waters, rocks, and ground types, while Ground hits Fire, Electric, Rock, and Steel). It also gets natural Crunch, and natural Curse, and is bulky enough to go toe to toe with Cynthia's Garchomp (it's actually a very safe option in DP, probably the safest option barring Levitate Bronzong).
 

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#41
I'm very skeptical about Empoleon. You're using a water type in-game to deal with Fire and Ground types, and looking at his typing...he's probably the worst Water type for that. Unlike others, who are resistant to Fire and neutral to Ground, Empoleon is neutral to Fire and weak to Ground. This is pretty big, as Bertha shits all over Empoleon in all three games thanks to this. It's especially big in Platinum, where BOTH Bertha AND Flint shit all over Empoleon. Not to mention that Fire types found Sinnoh in Platinum, and you're not having to deal with silly Embers after Galactic goes away. Now you're dealing with Flamethrowers and Flare Blitzes. Empoleon isn't an effective Water type because of this.

Speaking of starters, Torterra's pretty bitchin'. Grass/Ground is an amazing typing for in-game, giving it two of the best STAB typings for in-game (Grass hits Waters, rocks, and ground types, while Ground hits Fire, Electric, Rock, and Steel). It also gets natural Crunch, and natural Curse, and is bulky enough to go toe to toe with Cynthia's Garchomp (it's actually a very safe option in DP, probably the safest option barring Levitate Bronzong).
Are you high? Empoleon shits ALL over Bertha because it outspeeds EVERY one of her Pokemon. If you are anywhere near close in level it totally stomps her. Quagsire and Whiscash don't have water nullifying abilities and run Dig or... Well Fissure but that's not even SE. Platinum is a little different, but I'd still be more than willing to use it against 4 of her team.

Any Empoleon with Ice Beam shouldn't even be scared of Flint either (Except Infernape) in both sets of the E4. It has more than enough defence to shrug off most of the attacks that Flint will throw its way (And resists a good chunk of them). DP Flint is a joke and shouldn't even really be counted.

I 100% agree with Torterra though, that thing is fucking beastly. In my plat run I ended up grinding it up to like, 60 before going into the E4 and it obliterated basically the entire thing. The rest of my team was mid 50's.
 
#42
Empoleon is bad?

What.

He's perfectly capable of tanking fire attacks due to a decent special defense, Surf is OP, you can SD Aqua Jet/Waterfall, etc.

There're probably other water-types in Sinnoh that are worse than Empoleon (Seaking, Golduck, Lumineon) and Empoleon's Steel-typing is decent in taking some hits. He's also one of the best guys to use in Galactic battles (for this matter i have never encountered dry skin croagunk), he's definitely not terrible. Most grounds are either slower than Empoleon (Golem), complete jokes (Wormadam), or just plain too overpowered (Garchomp). If you do need a move to kill Whiscash, Grass Knot.
 
#45
Route 201: Turtwig, Chimchar, Piplup, Starly, Bidoof, Kricketot
Route 202: Shinx
Route 218 (1st Time): Magikarp [Old Rod]
Route 204: Zubat, Wurmple, Budew
Ravaged Path: Psyduck
Route 203: Abra
Oreburgh Gate: Geodude
Oreburgh Mine: Onix
Route 207: Machop, Ponyta
---Gym 1---
Oreburgh Gate: Golbat
Valley Windworks: Pachirisu, Buizel, Shellos, Drifloon [Fridays Only]
Floaroma Meadow (Honey Tree): Aipom, Heracross, Wurmple, Burmy, Combee, Cherubi, Munchlax
Eterna Forest: Gastly, Hoothoot, Silcoon, Beautifly, Cascoon, Dustox, Buneary
Eterna City: Togepi [Egg], Chatot [Trade]
Route 211: Meditite, Chingling, Bronzor
Mt. Coronet (1st Time): Clefairy, Cleffa, Nosepass
---Gym 2---
Old Chateau: Rotom
Route 206: Gligar, Kricketune
Wayward Cave: Gible
Oreburgh City: Cranidos [Odd OT #], Shieldon [Even OT #]
Route 208: Ralts, Roselia, Bibarel
Hearthome City: Eevee
---Gym 3---
Route 209: Chansey, Duskull, Staravia, Goldeen [Good Rod], Spiritomb [32 People Met in Underground]
Solacean Ruins: Unown
Route 210 (Southern Part): Scyther, Noctowl
Route 215: Kadabra, Lickitung, Marill
Veilstone City: Porygon
Route 214: Graveler, Rhyhorn, Houndour
Maniac Tunnel: Hippopotas
Valor Lakefront: Girafarig
Route 213: Wingull, Remoraid
Great Marsh: Wooper, Quagsire, Gyarados [Good Rod], Barboach [Good Rod], Tangela [Changes Daily], Yanma [Changes Daily], Tropius [Changes Daily], Skorupi [Changes Daily], Croagunk [Changes Daily], Carnivine [Changes Daily]
Route 212: Kirlia
Trophy Garden: Pikachu, Pichu
---Gym 4---
---Gym 5---
Route 210 (Northern Part): Machoke, Swablu
Celestic Town: Golduck [Surf]
Route 218 (2nd Time): Mr. Mime, Floatzel, Gastrodon, Tentacool [Surfing], Tentacruel [Surfing], Finneon [Good Rod]
Iron Island: Pelipper [Surfing], Steelix, Riolu [Egg]
Route 221: Sudowoodo
Fuego Ironworks: Magnemite, Magmar, Luxio
---Gym 6---
Mt. Coronet (2nd Time): Feebas
Route 216: Sneasal, Snorunt, Snover
Route 217: Swinub
Snowpoint City: Haunter
---Gym 7---
Mt. Coronet (3rd Time): Medicham, Bronzong, Chimecho
Mt. Coronet Summit: Absol, Abomosnow
Distortion World: Giratina
Sendoff Spring: Dusclops
Route 222: Magneton
Route 223: Mantyke
---Gym 8---
Victory Road: Rhydon, Gabite, Azumarill
---Elite Four---
 
#47
Empoleon is bad?

What.

He's perfectly capable of tanking fire attacks due to a decent special defense, Surf is OP, you can SD Aqua Jet/Waterfall, etc.

There're probably other water-types in Sinnoh that are worse than Empoleon (Seaking, Golduck, Lumineon) and Empoleon's Steel-typing is decent in taking some hits. He's also one of the best guys to use in Galactic battles (for this matter i have never encountered dry skin croagunk), he's definitely not terrible. Most grounds are either slower than Empoleon (Golem), complete jokes (Wormadam), or just plain too overpowered (Garchomp). If you do need a move to kill Whiscash, Grass Knot.
>implying Lumineon is terrible

I can't tell if you're trolling or just haven't used it. I never said Empoleon was bad, I was saying that its Steel typing hinders it when fighting those Pokemon. In an efficient run-through, you'll be around Level 48-53, which is NOT Bertha's Level.

I agree, it's useful in Galactic Battles, but the problem is, Torterra and Infernape are just plain better than it. Torterra does just as well in Galactic Battles, actually can take on Garchomp and win on its own, and destroys six out of the eight gyms. Infernape in DP is your only Fire type outside of Rapidash, has the amazing Fire/Fighting duel typing, and stomps on most trainers because of this. Besides, if you want a fast Water type, get a Floatzel. Empoleon isn't Top material if we're comparing it to Torterra and Infernape. If you're so adamant that Empoleon is super godly, I will settle with it being in High tier.
 
#48
>implying Lumineon is terrible

I can't tell if you're trolling or just haven't used it. I never said Empoleon was bad, I was saying that its Steel typing hinders it when fighting those Pokemon. In an efficient run-through, you'll be around Level 48-53, which is NOT Bertha's Level.

I agree, it's useful in Galactic Battles, but the problem is, Torterra and Infernape are just plain better than it. Torterra does just as well in Galactic Battles, actually can take on Garchomp and win on its own, and destroys six out of the eight gyms. Infernape in DP is your only Fire type outside of Rapidash, has the amazing Fire/Fighting duel typing, and stomps on most trainers because of this. Besides, if you want a fast Water type, get a Floatzel. Empoleon isn't Top material if we're comparing it to Torterra and Infernape. If you're so adamant that Empoleon is super godly, I will settle with it being in High tier.
In addition, Piplup and it's evolutions are in a fairly strong state of competition throughout the game from other Water-types. While Piplup itself faces no true competition, besides the coverage of Psyduck, Prinplup and Empoleon have to face many threats. Prinplup must contend with access to Bibarel, Gyarados, Floatzel, and Gastrodon while evolving almost 10 levels later than some, while Empoleon faces competition from Gyarados, Gastrodon, Palkia in Pearl, and even Quagsire. This is due to the resistances the others have, in addition to Gastrodon and Quagsire (and I guess Whiscash) evolving earlier and being able to help with Volker and Bertha. While Steel is handy as a resistance, it's better suited to other Pokémon like Bronzong and Steelix, who are both fairly usable in-game. Probopass also comes right before the second gym in Platinum, which hurts too (seeing as you can evolve it in Mt. Coronet).
 
#49
Guys, I don't think the OP is gonna be updated anytime soon tbh. I think if the games were to get an revamp (which the Platinum article desparately needs), someone should hop on irc and ask one of the mods if it would be okay to start a (Platinum) revamp. I think from there we can discuss things.