Pokémon Dragalge

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Well some of Gyara's biggest checks include Azumarill, Clefable, Chesnaught, Mega Altaria, and Rotom-W if you don't run Earthquake. Dragalge maims these guys with Sludge Wave, as well as resisting Fighting, Grass, Bug and Electric moves for Gyarados. If Dragalge can eliminate these obstacles it makes for a very easy Gyarados sweep. Meanwhile, Gyarados resists Ice and is immune to Psychic, and immune to Ground in its base form. They are a pretty decent pairing in theory, but a few really fast threats like Mega Sceptile just ream both of them.
 
What do you guys think about gunk shot or outrage, any specially defensive things that it could hit with it. I realize it has bad attack but there might be something.
maybe a set with


Dragalge @ life orb
Ability: Adaptability
EVs: 56 HP / 148 Atk / 252 SpA / 52 Spe
mild nature
-Dracometeor
-hydro pump/focus blast
-focus blast/hydropump/hpfire/thunder bolt/sludge bomb/wave/toxic spikes
-gunk shot/outrage

gunk shot/outrage is the reason for this set so it's pretty much mandatory it has just enough attack to guarantee a 2hko on chansey after stealth rocks enogh speed to speed creep a uninvested chansey.
gunk shot has lower accuracy and a poison chance
outrage being locked in and confusion
aside from that same power different type
an additional poison stab while not entirely redundant, is not really that useful(if you go with outrage the poison stab is much better)
Draco meteor is for nuking and tricking the opponent into thinking you are going to switch/defenseless
beyond that whatever coverage you need.
given the current amount of calm mind boosters it might be ok to run both(for sableye and clefable cores), draco meteor and a coverage move

alternatively
if you go with 196 at, 244 spat, 52 spe, 16 hp(mild)
you can gaurentee a 1hko vs clefable at plus 2 with gunk shot, with enough bulk to survive a stored power and enough speed to still creep chansey
 
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I don't think gunk shot is worth it for chansey. You sacrifice alot of bulk and speed creeping to invest for it. You're better off letting something else deal with chansey. Outrage is just terrible.. you're locked and trapped into outrage only for a steel or fairy to ruin him.
 
I dident think it is just for cansey that is just the bench mark I used, I am sure there is something else that it can hit, 240 base power is nothing to snease at even if it comes off a 75 base attack
also outrage isn't bad, the big problem is fairies and hey look the one dragon besides dialog a with a secondary stab to hit them.
here is the thing about out rage, unless it exicutes fully no confusion, so the fairy that just came in is going to die to a poison move (unless it is Klef key or mawile but seriously why would you use a mawile, and klefkie isn't that great as is) or you switch out.
steel types wall dragal age any ways, why no flame thrower?
 
Mixed Dragalge is an awful idea, it's not meant to deal with Chansey and that's the only notable thing you hit.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say above, but Dragalge can only stay in on special fairies 2 turns, and why you would let Dragalge die for your opponent having Chansey + fairy combo IDK.
 
What do you guys think about gunk shot or outrage, any specially defensive things that it could hit with it. I realize it has bad attack but there might be something.
maybe a set with

Dragalge @ life orb
Ability: Adaptability
EVs: 56 HP / 148 Atk / 252 SpA / 52 Spe
mild nature
-Dracometeor
-hydro pump/focus blast
-focus blast/hydropump/hpfire/thunder bolt/sludge bomb/wave/toxic spikes
-gunk shot/outrage

gunk shot/outrage is the reason for this set so it's pretty much mandatory it has just enough attack to guarantee a 2hko on chansey after stealth rocks enogh speed to speed creep a uninvested chansey.
gunk shot has lower accuracy and a poison chance
outrage being locked in and confusion
aside from that same power different type
an additional poison stab while not entirely redundant, is not really that useful(if you go with outrage the poison stab is much better)
Draco meteor is for nuking and tricking the opponent into thinking you are going to switch/defenseless
beyond that whatever coverage you need.
given the current amount of calm mind boosters it might be ok to run both(for sableye and clefable cores), draco meteor and a coverage move

alternatively
if you go with 196 at, 244 spat, 52 spe, 16 hp(mild)
you can gaurentee a 1hko vs clefable at plus 2 with gunk shot, with enough bulk to survive a stored power and enough speed to still creep chansey
Outrage is a garbage move for drag and should never be used on any set. I do like the idea of gunk shot though. Bare with me for a moment. What do most opponents think you'll do after a draco meteor? In most cases, they'll think you'll switch out, of course. So having an alternae attack that can do some surprise damage when backed by STAB +toxic plate, AND it has the chance of poisoning your opponent as well is indeed a great boon.
Sure the sets a little gimmicky but now that drag is starting to see usage again sets like these can be very effective given the right support and situation.
 
Ugh, the Life Orb and splitting your attack over bulk will just kill you so quickly. With Chansey, you're much better off just using Dragon Tail on the switch and racking up hazard damage. Anything else that's specially bulky that isn't Chansey you can just use Scald to get the burn. Physical Dragalge is a horrible gimmick.
 
Drag does not really have what it takes to lure Special Walls like Chansey. Zard Y once had discussion of using Focus Punch to lure Chansey, and that was shot down as unviable. Drag hits harder with Draco, but does less even with the noted investment to Chansey.
(SE = Adaptability neutral)

252 SpA Mega Charizard Y Fire Blast vs. 4 HP / 252 SpD Eviolite Chansey in Sun: 160-190 (24.9 - 29.5%) -- 100% chance to 4HKO
4 Atk Mega Charizard Y Focus Punch vs. 4 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 296-350 (46.1 - 54.5%) -- 59% chance to 2HKO

252+ SpA Choice Specs Adaptability Dragalge Draco Meteor vs. 4 HP / 252 SpD Eviolite Chansey: 194-230 (30.2 - 35.8%) -- 38.5% chance to 3HKO
148 Atk Toxic Plate Adaptability Dragalge Gunk Shot vs. 4 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 260-306 (40.4 - 47.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

Unlike Zard-Y, though, Drag loses a lot of its needed bulk, or power from item/investment just to try and beat Chansey with Hazards, only to be Softboiled stalled most of the time, considering Chansey could, if it really cared, drop 8 points to creep that Drag set anyway. Zard-Y is faster and harder hitting with no investment, on top of being faster and more threatening to several more switch ins.

Trying to force Drag to break Chansey is as gimmicky as AV Skarmory: You're compromising the job(s) it does well for the sake of compensating a flaw that even with this set is better left to teammates. Why would I weaken my Drag's bulk or attacks when I could just handle Chansey with Gallade or Sableye or something. Hell, LATIOS handles Chansey better thanks to Psyshock, and it's still walled. Dragalge's one job is as a nuke with its Special STABs to break Physically bulky opponents so other members can sweep or clean.
 
Dragalge@Toxic Plate/Draco Plate
Adaptability
Modest 124 HP / 252 SpA / 132 Spd
- Draco Meteor
- Sludge Wave
- Scald/Dragon Tail
- HP Fire/Focus Blast

After much experimentation, this is one of Dragalge's better offensive sets. The problem with Choice Specs is that your STABs have immunities, common ones, in Steels and Fairies. Many good teams have at least two of these and because of Dragalge's speed even if Draco Meteor does dent a Steel pretty hard, you won't get a second shot off. I don't like giving the enemy so many free turns. The other thing is that even with Choice Specs, HP Fire is still a 2HKO on Ferrothorn and Skarmory. No boosting item and HP Fire is always a 2hko on physical Skarmory with SR, even with Leftovers, and you out speed Ferrothorn anyway. As for Focus Blast that's only good for Tyranitar, and you can't OHKO bulky variants with Specs either, so you'd have to hit twice. You're better off just going for a Scald burn.

Meanwhile here with the speed and a Toxic Plate you can outspeed still OHKO Clefable and Azumarill. 50% to still OHKO AV Azumarill with SR on the switch. 67% chance to 2HKO AV Conkeldurr with SR too with Sludge Wave, or guaranteed 2HKO with Draco Plate and Draco Meteor. Hydro Pump is out damaged by Draco Meteor thanks to Adaptability even if it's SE, and the accuracy is worse too, you're better off with Scald. Thunderbolt only offers to 2HKO special defense Skarmory.

The plates are recommended because with Adaptability the added power is compounded and makes some big differences, enough to warrant it over Black Sludge for this particular spread. Because like was said, Dragalge really really is specially bulky and has great resistances with a Toxic immunity. Life Orb unfortunately doesn't help your coverage damage enough to make a difference, and the residual damage is bad on something as slow as Dragalge. It can stick around otherwise.

Dragalge@Black Sludge
Adaptability
Calm 248 HP / 156 SpA / 100 SpD
- Substitute
- Sludge Wave/Draco Meteor
- Scald/Toxic
- Dragon Tail

This set is meant to be paired with Skarmory who lays lots of hazards. The two are an amazing pair defensively, covering all of each others weaknesses with a resistance (outside of Ice) and covering both physical and special bulk. With hazards down and Dragalge out, there is intense pressure on the opponent, particularly if they think you're choiced. It's easy to get a Substitute on the switch then. The spread allows you to OHKO Mega Gardevoir with SR 100% of the time, and Hyper Voice doesn't come close to a OHKO on its own. Substitute and causing Scald burns can actually make you pretty damn tough to take out actually. Mega Manectric, Specs Magnezone, Specs Raikou and Rotom-W Volt Changes can't break your Sub, and Manectric HP Ice is a 4HKO. With a resistance to Bug, many common U-Turn users can't break the Sub either including CB Staraptor, CB Talonflame, CS Jirachi, Landorus-T and Diggersby. With hazards down, Dragon Tail is a good way to rack up hazard damage if there aren't Fairies but lots of Steel and Poison types. Here are some calcs too.

252 SpA Life Orb Gengar Shadow Ball vs. 248 HP / 100+ SpD Dragalge: 121-142 (36.3 - 42.6%) -- 94.7% chance to 3HKO after Black Sludge recovery
252 SpA Life Orb Thundurus Hidden Power Ice vs. 248 HP / 100+ SpD Dragalge: 117-140 (35.1 - 42%) -- 85.9% chance to 3HKO after Black Sludge recovery
252 SpA Mega Charizard Y Fire Blast vs. 248 HP / 100+ SpD Dragalge in Sun: 110-130 (33 - 39%) -- 12.7% chance to 3HKO after Black Sludge recovery
252 SpA Mega Charizard Y Dragon Pulse vs. 248 HP / 100+ SpD Dragalge: 152-180 (45.6 - 54%) -- 3.9% chance to 2HKO after Black Sludge recovery
252 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Secret Sword vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Dragalge: 113-133 (33.9 - 39.9%) -- 35.2% chance to 3HKO after Black Sludge recovery
252 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Icy Wind vs. 248 HP / 100+ SpD Dragalge: 126-150 (37.8 - 45%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Black Sludge recovery
0 SpA Heatran Earth Power vs. 248 HP / 100+ SpD Dragalge: 114-136 (34.2 - 40.8%) -- 54.1% chance to 3HKO after Black Sludge recovery
252+ Atk Mega Heracross Pin Missile (5 hits) vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Dragalge: 165-195 (49.5 - 58.5%) -- approx. 58.2% chance to 2HKO after Black Sludge recovery (Sludge Wave 2HKO if on switch,needs Earthquake to OHKO)
+2 44+ Atk Technician Mega Scizor Bullet Punch vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Dragalge: 228-268 (68.4 - 80.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Black Sludge recovery (Scald is great here and Dragon Tail)
252+ SpA Choice Specs Magnezone Flash Cannon vs. 248 HP / 100+ SpD Dragalge: 151-178 (45.3 - 53.4%) -- 1.2% chance to 2HKO after Black Sludge recovery
+2 252+ Atk Technician Breloom Rock Tomb vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Dragalge: 235-277 (70.5 - 83.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Black Sludge recovery
252 SpA Choice Specs Raikou Hidden Power Ice vs. 248 HP / 100+ SpD Dragalge: 126-150 (37.8 - 45%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Black Sludge recovery

You get the point. It's a good combination of bulk and power that excels against a variety of playstyles. At first I tried to really abuse Toxic Spikes but they are so useless when you considered the amount of aerial, Steel and Poison types there are on a common team, usually at least 2/3 of a team is immune. Regular Toxic is just plain better if you don't want to use Scald.
I'm really really liking these sets. I am testing out a defensive Dragalge as well, although I doubt it'll work as well as a Calm Drag.

Dragalge@Black Sludge
Adaptability
Bold 248 HP / 56 SpA / 200 DEF
- Substitute / Toxic Spikes
- Sludge Wave
- Draco Meteor
- Scald

It takes hits from quite a lot of things alright:
252+ Atk Mega Heracross Pin Missile (5 hits) vs. 248 HP / 200 Def Dragalge: 130-155 (39 - 46.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Black Sludge recovery
252+ Atk Technician Breloom Rock Tomb vs. 248 HP / 200 Def Dragalge: 96-113 (28.8 - 33.9%) -- 99.3% chance to 4HKO after Black Sludge recovery
252+ Atk Technician Mega Scizor Bullet Punch vs. 248 HP / 200 Def Dragalge: 106-126 (31.8 - 37.8%) -- 0.5% chance to 3HKO after Black Sludge recovery
252+ Atk Aerilate Mega Salamence Double-Edge vs. 248 HP / 200 Def Dragalge: 270-318 (81 - 95.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Black Sludge recovery (this being an Adamant Mega Sal and able to reply with a OHKO Draco Meteor)
252 Atk Mega Pinsir Earthquake vs. 248 HP / 200 Def Dragalge: 222-262 (66.6 - 78.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Black Sludge recovery
252+ Atk Bisharp Sucker Punch vs. 248 HP / 200 Def Dragalge: 124-147 (37.2 - 44.1%) -- 100% chance to 3HKO after Black Sludge recovery
252 Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Darmanitan Flare Blitz vs. 248 HP / 200 Def Dragalge: 155-183 (46.5 - 54.9%) -- 11.7% chance to 2HKO after Black Sludge recovery
252+ Atk Choice Band Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 248 HP / 200 Def Dragalge: 208-246 (62.4 - 73.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Black Sludge recovery
252+ Atk Guts Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 248 HP / 200 Def Dragalge: 252-298 (75.6 - 89.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Black Sludge recovery
252 Atk Life Orb Terrakion Earthquake vs. 248 HP / 200 Def Dragalge: 250-296 (75 - 88.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Black Sludge recovery

I don't know about anyone else, but some of these numbers I enjoy for OU, they get even better in UU.
 
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ou-190620274

Toxic Plate replay. Notice the bulk and handiness when you can switch moves. Rather than be forced out by Heatran cause he thought I was using Specs, I could get the kill with Scald.

Mixed Dragalge... no do. I just Dragontail it away
Hold on a second... he already knew that you weren't running Choice Specs (or, at least, he should have) because you were able to switch from Sludge Wave to Dragon Tail earlier.
 
I love this thing, so I'm going to add a wall of text of how much it does to the OU metagame, if a certain pokemon switches in!

252+ SpA Choice Specs Adaptability Dragalge Sludge Bomb vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Azumarill: 424-500 (104.9 - 123.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ SpA Choice Specs Dragalge Focus Blast vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Bisharp: 944-1112 (347 - 408.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ SpA Choice Specs Adaptability Dragalge Sludge Bomb vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Breloom: 800-944 (306.5 - 361.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ SpA Choice Specs Adaptability Dragalge Draco Meteor vs. 4 HP / 252 SpD Eviolite Chansey: 194-230 (30.2 - 35.8%) -- 38.5% chance to 3HKO

252+ SpA Choice Specs Adaptability Dragalge Sludge Bomb vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mega Charizard X: 304-358 (102.3 - 120.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ SpA Choice Specs Adaptability Dragalge Sludge Wave vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Clefable: 428-508 (108.6 - 128.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ SpA Choice Specs Adaptability Dragalge Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Assault Vest Conkeldurr: 362-426 (87.4 - 102.8%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO

252+ SpA Choice Specs Adaptability Dragalge Draco Meteor vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Multiscale Dragonite: 382-450 (118.2 - 139.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ SpA Choice Specs Dragalge Focus Blast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Excadrill: 500-590 (138.5 - 163.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ SpA Choice Specs Dragalge Hidden Power Fire vs. 252 HP / 168 SpD Ferrothorn: 272-320 (77.2 - 90.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

252+ SpA Choice Specs Adaptability Dragalge Draco Meteor vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Garchomp: 972-1148 (272.2 - 321.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ SpA Choice Specs Adaptability Dragalge Sludge Wave vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mega Gardevoir: 428-508 (154.5 - 183.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ SpA Choice Specs Adaptability Dragalge Draco Meteor vs. 28 HP / 80 SpD Gengar: 438-516 (163.4 - 192.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ SpA Choice Specs Adaptability Dragalge Draco Meteor vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Gothitelle: 350-414 (124.5 - 147.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ SpA Choice Specs Adaptability Dragalge Sludge Wave vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Greninja: 370-436 (129.3 - 152.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ SpA Choice Specs Adaptability Dragalge Draco Meteor vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mega Gyarados: 306-360 (92.4 - 108.7%) -- 50% chance to OHKO

252+ SpA Choice Specs Dragalge Focus Blast vs. 248 HP / 220+ SpD Heatran: 250-296 (64.9 - 76.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

252+ SpA Choice Specs Adaptability Dragalge Draco Meteor vs. 40 HP / 0 SpD Mega Heracross: 366-432 (117.6 - 138.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ SpA Choice Specs Adaptability Dragalge Draco Meteor vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Keldeo: 416-490 (128.7 - 151.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ SpA Choice Specs Adaptability Dragalge Draco Meteor vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Kyurem-B: 832-980 (212.7 - 250.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ SpA Choice Specs Adaptability Dragalge Draco Meteor vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Landorus: 510-602 (159.8 - 188.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ SpA Choice Specs Adaptability Dragalge Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-T: 460-542 (120.4 - 141.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ SpA Choice Specs Adaptability Dragalge Draco Meteor vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Latias: 608-716 (201.9 - 237.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ SpA Choice Specs Adaptability Dragalge Draco Meteor vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Latios: 704-832 (233.1 - 275.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ SpA Choice Specs Dragalge Focus Blast vs. 172 HP / 0 SpD Magnezone: 384-454 (118.5 - 140.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ SpA Choice Specs Adaptability Dragalge Draco Meteor vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Mamoswine: 642-756 (178.8 - 210.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ SpA Choice Specs Adaptability Dragalge Draco Meteor vs. 248 HP / 108 SpD Mandibuzz: 356-420 (84.1 - 99.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

252+ SpA Choice Specs Adaptability Dragalge Draco Meteor vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mega Manectric: 460-542 (163.7 - 192.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ SpA Choice Specs Dragalge Focus Blast vs. 132 HP / 0 SpD Mawile: 284-335 (103.6 - 122.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ SpA Choice Specs Adaptability Dragalge Draco Meteor vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mega Medicham: 438-516 (167.8 - 197.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ SpA Choice Specs Adaptability Dragalge Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 28 SpD Mew: 372-438 (92 - 108.4%) -- 50% chance to OHKO

252+ SpA Choice Specs Adaptability Dragalge Draco Meteor vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mega Pinsir: 418-492 (154.2 - 181.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ SpA Choice Specs Adaptability Dragalge Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Rotom-W: 360-424 (118.4 - 139.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ SpA Choice Specs Dragalge Hidden Power Fire vs. 248 HP / 100 SpD Mega Scizor: 320-380 (93.2 - 110.7%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO

252+ SpA Choice Specs Adaptability Dragalge Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Skarmory: 254-299 (76 - 89.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

252+ SpA Choice Specs Adaptability Dragalge Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Slowbro: 456-538 (115.7 - 136.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ SpA Choice Specs Adaptability Dragalge Sludge Wave vs. 252 HP / 36 SpD Sylveon: 432-512 (109.6 - 129.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ SpA Choice Specs Adaptability Dragalge Draco Meteor vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Talonflame: 518-610 (174.4 - 205.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ SpA Choice Specs Adaptability Dragalge Draco Meteor vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Terrakion: 464-546 (143.6 - 169%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ SpA Choice Specs Adaptability Dragalge Draco Meteor vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Thundurus: 460-542 (153.8 - 181.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ SpA Choice Specs Dragalge Focus Blast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mega Tyranitar in Sand: 404-476 (118.4 - 139.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ SpA Choice Specs Adaptability Dragalge Draco Meteor vs. 232 HP / 4 SpD Mega Venusaur: 326-384 (90.8 - 106.9%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO

252+ SpA Choice Specs Adaptability Dragalge Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Zapdos: 418-492 (108.8 - 128.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

What is a switch in??? Chansey

Dragalage has a chance to OHKO 90% of OU
 
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Even Chansey isn't a 100% sure shot.

252+ SpA Choice Specs Adaptability Dragalge Sludge Bomb vs. 4 HP / 252 SpD Eviolite Chansey: 136-160 (21.1 - 24.9%)

Not much damage right? But if rocks are down and the initial Sludge Bomb Poisons that means Chansey can be 2HKOed on the switch from around 67-75%. If Chansey is full Physical defensive it can be 2HKOed as high as 85%. Of course this require poison damage. If Chansey's Eviolie is knocked off Draco Meteor will 2HKO around 85%.
 
Even Chansey isn't a 100% sure shot.

252+ SpA Choice Specs Adaptability Dragalge Sludge Bomb vs. 4 HP / 252 SpD Eviolite Chansey: 136-160 (21.1 - 24.9%)

Not much damage right? But if rocks are down and the initial Sludge Bomb Poisons that means Chansey can be 2HKOed on the switch from around 67-75%. If Chansey is full Physical defensive it can be 2HKOed as high as 85%. Of course this require poison damage. If Chansey's Eviolie is knocked off Draco Meteor will 2HKO around 85%.
Not sure why you're calcing with Sludge Bomb.

252+ SpA Choice Specs Adaptability Dragalge Sludge Wave vs. 4 HP / 252 SpD Eviolite Chansey: 144-170 (22.4 - 26.4%) -- 17.3% chance to 4HKO

Also, after doing a lot of calcs for the new Megas it feels so refreshing not having to type in different base stats. When will the calculator be updated anyhow?
 
Not sure why you're calcing with Sludge Bomb.

252+ SpA Choice Specs Adaptability Dragalge Sludge Wave vs. 4 HP / 252 SpD Eviolite Chansey: 144-170 (22.4 - 26.4%) -- 17.3% chance to 4HKO

Also, after doing a lot of calcs for the new Megas it feels so refreshing not having to type in different base stats. When will the calculator be updated anyhow?
Probably because Sludge Bomb has a higher chance to poison, which is pretty important seeing as how that extra 12.5% damage per turn is necessary to net those 2HKOs Yamborski was talking about. Honestly, unless you're scared of Chesnaught or something, I'd rather use Sludge Bomb over Sludge Wave because the extra chance to poison can easily outweigh the benefit of 5 extra base power.
 
Not sure why you're calcing with Sludge Bomb.

252+ SpA Choice Specs Adaptability Dragalge Sludge Wave vs. 4 HP / 252 SpD Eviolite Chansey: 144-170 (22.4 - 26.4%) -- 17.3% chance to 4HKO

Also, after doing a lot of calcs for the new Megas it feels so refreshing not having to type in different base stats. When will the calculator be updated anyhow?
Adding on to what Gibbs said it really eases prediction. What if you Sludge Bomb expecting that Clefable or Azumarill switch in but they go to Tyranitar / Garchomp / Landorus / Sableye etc instead? At least now you have a 30% chance of getting some extra damage on them.

Also I explained right in my post that Sludge Bomb's Poison chance equals better options against Chansey, your only counter. Sludge Wave is only 5 BP more than Sludge Bomb but with a much lower Poison chance. Seems like a worse option especially when the few targets of your Poison STAB are OHKOed regardless of what you run...
 
For my purposes, I do use Sludge Wave on my Toxic Plate set for Chesnaught, particularly on a Mega Gyarados team. And while the poison is nice, on a semi-stall set I'd prefer to land a burn with Scald.

Then again, not that Chesnaught would ever switch in on Dragalge (unless it knew you ran Sludge Bomb) but regardless

252+ SpA Choice Specs Adaptability Dragalge Draco Meteor vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Chesnaught: 330-390 (86.8 - 102.6%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

And I don't even think this spread is common. So on a Specs set at least, Sludge bomb is viable if you want that poison status.
 
Rather just Dragalgae for the lulz, it's not that good in OU. Will be excellent as a wallbreaker in UU though
Not very good in OU
I hope you're kidding. Specs Draco Meteor hits harder than Latios, and if that's not pure power, I don't know what is. You even freaking said it yourself. There is no safe switch in except maybe Chansey. It OHKOs most of the tier. You're very bipolar about a lot of your opinions.
 
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Not very good in OU
I hope you're kidding. Specs Draco Meteor hits harder than Latios, and if that's not pure power, I don't know what is. You even freaking said it yourself. There is no safe switch in except maybe Chansey. It OHKOs most of the tier. You're very bipolar about a lot of your opinions.
It's way to slow. As seen in an earlier comment, it loses to most of these pokemon. Even though it hit's soooo hard, it rarely gets of a hit. I don't think it's OU viable, it's slow and kind of frail
 
It's way to slow. As seen in an earlier comment, it loses to most of these pokemon. Even though it hit's soooo hard, it rarely gets of a hit. I don't think it's OU viable, it's slow and kind of frail
I actually agree. This thing reminds me of Mega Camerupt in that you can throw around damage calculations on how strong it is, but unless it's up against one of the few things it beats one on one (or is in Trick Room I guess) it may have difficulty switching in and getting a KO.

You could probably run damage calculations of Choice Band Rampardos and show how that, too, destroys the meta. Doesn't make it good in OU though.
 
It's way to slow. As seen in an earlier comment, it loses to most of these pokemon. Even though it hit's soooo hard, it rarely gets of a hit. I don't think it's OU viable, it's slow and kind of frail
I actually agree. This thing reminds me of Mega Camerupt in that you can throw around damage calculations on how strong it is, but unless it's up against one of the few things it beats one on one (or is in Trick Room I guess) it may have difficulty switching in and getting a KO.

You could probably run damage calculations of Choice Band Rampardos and show how that, too, destroys the meta. Doesn't make it good in OU though.
Dragalge actually has decent bulk and has the ability to switch in on quite a few Pokemon (keldeo, thundurus, mega man, zard y, rotom wash, heatran, ferrothorn, etc) and either KO them or force a switch to something else, that unless it is a chansey, will be taking a large amount of damage or be straight KO'd. It is definitely quite viable in OU.
 
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I think that the problem with Dragalge is less about being viable in OU and more about being truly good. I mean, you can't ignore the raw power of those Specs Draco Meteors; they're actually ~8% stronger than those coming off a Timid Life Orb Mega Rayquaza. Other than having one exceptional nuke of a STAB move, though, nothing else about Dragalge truly stands out. It's got pretty good bulk (about as much as Latios) and a neat typing, so it can switch decently into stuff like Keldeo, Thundurus, and Charizard Y...once. Its lack of reliable recovery means that even bulky sets are going to struggle to stay alive in the long run, and unlike faster bulky attackers like Latios, it's far too slow to outrun the things it checks and OHKO them before they can retaliate. Whereas Latios can switch into a Keldeo's Hydro Pump and win the matchup even when it's left with a tiny sliver of health, Dragalge needs to make sure it's at >80% health to safely tank 2 Hydro Pumps (it needs to be almost fully healthy if it wants to tank those hits with Stealth Rock down). Not being Pursuit weak is a pretty nice perk, but you don't need to be weak to Pursuit to suffer enough damage from it to remove your ability to safely counter a certain sweeper (i.e. Scarf Tyranitar's Pursuit on the switch-out is doing 44% min to 252/0 Dragalge, which is enough to ensure that Life Orb Thundurus's Thunderbolt + HP Ice will KO later). Dragalge's bulk and unique typing let it be more useful to its team outside of hitting things super hard, which is the main thing that sets it apart from Pokemon like Rampardos and gives it real viability, but let's be honest, you basically just use Dragalge because you want to watch things crumble beneath the might of the most powerful Draco Meteor in the standard metagame.
 
I think that the problem with Dragalge is less about being viable in OU and more about being truly good. I mean, you can't ignore the raw power of those Specs Draco Meteors; they're actually ~8% stronger than those coming off a Timid Life Orb Mega Rayquaza. Other than having one exceptional nuke of a STAB move, though, nothing else about Dragalge truly stands out. It's got pretty good bulk (about as much as Latios) and a neat typing, so it can switch decently into stuff like Keldeo, Thundurus, and Charizard Y...once. Its lack of reliable recovery means that even bulky sets are going to struggle to stay alive in the long run, and unlike faster bulky attackers like Latios, it's far too slow to outrun the things it checks and OHKO them before they can retaliate. Whereas Latios can switch into a Keldeo's Hydro Pump and win the matchup even when it's left with a tiny sliver of health, Dragalge needs to make sure it's at >80% health to safely tank 2 Hydro Pumps (it needs to be almost fully healthy if it wants to tank those hits with Stealth Rock down). Not being Pursuit weak is a pretty nice perk, but you don't need to be weak to Pursuit to suffer enough damage from it to remove your ability to safely counter a certain sweeper (i.e. Scarf Tyranitar's Pursuit on the switch-out is doing 44% min to 252/0 Dragalge, which is enough to ensure that Life Orb Thundurus's Thunderbolt + HP Ice will KO later). Dragalge's bulk and unique typing let it be more useful to its team outside of hitting things super hard, which is the main thing that sets it apart from Pokemon like Rampardos and gives it real viability, but let's be honest, you basically just use Dragalge because you want to watch things crumble beneath the might of the most powerful Draco Meteor in the standard metagame.
Agreed! It's a really, really cool Pokemon and I want to make it useful in OU but realistically I don't think it's as good as people have been saying. Usable, absolutely but even with its Draco Meteor nuke there really aren't many reasons to use this over Latios.

It is beautiful though.
 
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