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Dragonite (Analysis)

Discussion in 'Uploaded Analyses' started by TalkingLion, Jan 9, 2012.

  1. TalkingLion

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    1st analysis :D

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    Dragonite

    QC: 2/2 (muffinhead, JRank)
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    [Overview]

    <p>In previous years, Dragonite was known as one of the weaker Dragon-types; largely outclassed by its fellow Dragon-types, particulary Flygon and Garchomp, who were both faster. But now, thanks to its new ability, Multiscale, Dragonite's bulk has greatly increased, allowing it to hit hard before getting KOed. However, with its 4x weakness to Ice-type moves, the original dragon might have a hard time taking Blizzards, even with the help of Multiscale.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Physical Attacker
    move 1: Dragon Claw
    move 2: ExtremeSpeed
    move 3: Fire Punch
    move 4: Protect
    item: Haban Berry / Leftovers
    ability: Multiscale
    nature: Adamant
    EVs: 204 HP / 252 Atk / 52 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]
    <p>This is the standard Dragonite set. Dragon Claw is Dragonite's main move, as it gets the STAB boost and is only resisted by Steel-types. Fire Punch provides nice coverage along with Dragon Claw, hitting Abomasnow and Steel-types for super effective damage. However, it should be noted that despite being super effective, Fire Punch won't do over 50% to max HP Metagross. ExtremeSpeed will allow Dragonite to strike first, moving even before all other priority attacks bar Fake Out. Protect is a staple for most Pokemon in VGC, and can also be used in sync with Leftovers to help restore HP each turn.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The 204 HP EVs allow Dragonite to always survive Life Orb Latios's Draco Meteor, and also gives it maximum Leftovers recovery and good bulk. The 52 Speed EVs let Dragonite outrun minimum speed Rotom-A. The rest of the EVs are put into Attack. An Adamant nature allows Dragonite to deal as much damage as possible, while Leftovers is used to restore some HP each turn, which might allow multiple usage of Multiscale, and Haban Berry lets Dragonite survive a Dragon Gem Latios's Draco Meteor, which it cannot do with just Multiscale.</p>

    <p>As for teammates, Ground-types such as Krookodile can work well as Dragonite is immune to their Earthquake. Scrafty is a handy partner as it has Fake Out to help Dragonite preserve Mutiscale for a turn. Its STAB attacks are also super effective against Abomasnow and Latios, Dragonite's two main counters. Either Politoed or Ninetales can also be used to get rid of opposing sandstorm and hail if needed, as both these weathers will break Dragonite's Multiscale.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Special Rain Attacker
    move 1: Draco Meteor / Dragon Pulse
    move 2: Hurricane
    move 3: Thunder / Flamethrower
    move 4: Protect
    item: Dragon Gem / Haban Berry
    ability: Multiscale
    nature: Modest
    EVs: 204 HP / 252 SpA / 52 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Dragonite has a good Special Attack stat, so a specially offensive set should not be underestimated. Draco Meteor is a strong Dragon-type STAB attack, but has the unfortunate side effect of halving Dragonite's special attack after use, so Dragon Pulse can be a good alternative. Hurricane gets the STAB bonus too, and has perfect accuracy in the rain. Thunder can be used on a rain team, and can also be a good option outside of rain. Flamethrower gets good coverage with Dragonite's primary STAB, but will be weakened by rain if Dragonite is on a rain team. Protect is almost a necessity in VGC, and should be used on almost everything in it.</p>


    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The EV spread is the same as before—the HP EVs guarantee Dragonite will survive Life Orb Latios's Draco Meteor, while the Speed EVs let it outpace uninvested Rotom-A—except the Attack EVs are moved to Special Attack instead and a Modest nature is used. As for item choice, Dragon Gem is useful for powering up Dragonite's Dragon-type attack, while the Haban Berry can help against opposing Dragon-types, most notably, Dragon Gem Latios.</p>

    <p>As this is a weather-oriented set, Politoed gets first mention. In rain, Thunder and Hurricane both have perfect accuracy, and with their 120 Base Power, they will do massive amounts of damage. Other partners include Earthquake users, Fake Out users, and Pokemon that can counter Dragonite's checks, such as Krookodile, Hitmontop, and Scrafty, respectively.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Dragonite can also run a Trick Room set; the only change required would be to put the Speed EVs into HP and to use a Brave or Quiet nature. An unmentioned but viable attack to use is Earthquake, though Rock Slide is generally a better spread attack as it won't damage your partner. Brick Break is another option as it has good coverage with Dragon Claw, and can also break the rare Light Screen and Reflect. Roost could be chosen over Protect to renew Multiscale and restore health, but Protect is generally the preferred option in VGC. Dragonite can run the Inner Focus ability to prevent flinching from Fake Out, a move commonly used on Dragonite to break Multiscale. The extra turn could allow Dragonite to either attack or maybe set up Tailwind.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>As stated before, Latios and Abomasnow can counter Dragonite quite well. Abomasnow summons hail,which breaks Multiscale, making Yache Berry the only way to thwart Abomasnow. Similarly, Tyranitar conjures a sandstorm, and Rock Slide severely dents Dragonite once Multiscale is gone. Fake Out users, such as Hitmontop, can help break Multiscale, but they must be wary of the rare Inner Focus Dragonite that could use that turn to its advantage.</p>
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    correct me if i'm wrong but when i calc max spa modest aboma vs 204 hp multiscale dragonite, it only does 69.8%-82.3% damage, which obviously isn't an ohko

    if my calc is correct i dont think theres any particular reason to run a yache berry, since it can be fairly redundant with multiscale

    i also dont think rock slide hits anything that the other moves dragonite has don't, which means it can just end up being weaker because of the two target power split
  3. R Inanimate

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    Due to having generally more powerful and varied Special Attacks compared to physical, I think that a Special Attacking set is worth mentioning for Dragonite.
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    omg, I recommend yache berry to TalkingLion in my skeleton because this whole time I've been going on an early Black While rumor that Hail boosted Ice attacks. Haban Berry would probably be better as Dragonite isn't guaranteed to survive a Draco Meteor from Dragon Gem Latios.

    Seconding the special set.
  5. TalkingLion

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    Yeah, sandman recommended Yache Berry to me earlier, so that's why I put it in there. I'll fix that and work on a Special Attacking set ASAP
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    the 'move 1:' things all need to be lowercase, inner focus is not a gimmick, switch move 2 and move 3 on the first set. the second set is cramming in a rain and special set in to one. xD

    dmeteor
    hurricane
    thunder / flamethrower
    protect

    this would make most sense for a rain set, flamethrower is useful if rain is cancelled out by some other weather mon. i think it deserves a seperate set because of its reliance on rain. life orb and multiscale makes no sense at all, i would go for gems or type resist berries.
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    Special set is done now, sorry for the delay. I also added some of moofie's suggestions in, so I think this is now ready for QC checks.
  8. magicz8

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    nice analisis, most people will probobly go with special set due to popularity of rain teams
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    what koes does ice beam get that d meteor doesnt?
    if hurricane is a main slash, then the set name should be rain attacker, and thunder might be better before flamethrower.
  10. TalkingLion

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    You're right, at the time Dragonite needed an alternative in the case of it being on a sun team, but now it's fixed for being a rain special attacker.
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    [Overview]

    <p>In previous years, Dragonite was known as one of the weaker Dragon-types, largely outclassed by its fellow Dragon-types; particularly Flygon and Garchomp, who were both faster. But now, thanks to its new ability, Multiscale, Dragonite's bulk has greatly increased, allowing it to hit hard before getting KOed. However, with its 4x weakness to Ice-type moves, the original dragon might have a hard time taking Blizzards, even with the help of Multiscale.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Physical Attacker
    move 1: Dragon Claw
    move 2: ExtremeSpeed
    move 3: Fire Punch
    move 4: Protect
    item: Haban Berry / Leftovers
    ability: Multiscale
    nature: Adamant
    EVs: 204 HP / 252 Atk / 52 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]
    <p>This is the standard Dragonite set. Dragon Claw is Dragonite's main move, as it gets the STAB boost and is only resisted by Steel-types. Fire Punch provides nice coverage along with Dragon Claw, hitting Abomasnow and Steel-types for super effective damage. However, it should be noted that despite being super effective, Fire Punch won't do over 50% to max HP Metagross. ExtremeSpeed will allow Dragonite to strike first, moving even before all other priority attacks bar Fake Out. Protect is a staple for most Pokemon in VGC, and can also be used in sync with Leftovers to help restore HP each turn.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>()The 204 HP EVs allow Dragonite to always survive Life Orb Latios's Draco Meteor, and also gives it maximum Leftovers recovery and good bulk. The 52 Speed EVs let Dragonite outrun minimum speed Rotom-A. The rest of the EVs are put in attack. An Adamant nature allows Dragonite to deal as much damage as possible, While Leftovers is used to restore some HP each turn, which might allow multiple usage of Multiscale, While Haban Berry lets Dragonite survive a Dragon Gem Latios's Draco Meteor, which it cannot do with just Multiscale.</p>

    <p>As for teammates, Ground-types such as Krookodile can work well as Dragonite is immune to their Earthquake. Scrafty is a handy partner as it has Fake Out to help Dragonite preserve Mutiscale for a turn. Its STAB attacks are also super effective against Abomasnow and Latios, Dragonite's two main counters. Either Politoed or Ninetales can also be used to get rid of opposing sandstorm and hail if needed, as both these weathers will break Dragonite's Multiscale.()</p>

    [SET]
    name: Special Rain Attacker
    move 1: Draco Meteor / Dragon Pulse
    move 2: Hurricane
    move 3: Thunder / Flamethrower
    move 4: Protect
    item: Dragon Gem / Haban Berry
    ability: Multiscale
    nature: Modest
    EVs: 204 HP / 252 SpA / 52 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Dragonite has a good Special Attack stat, so a specially offensive set should not be underestimated. Draco Meteor is a strong Dragon-type STAB attack, but has the unfortunate side effect of halving Dragonite's special attack after use, so Dragon Pulse can be a good alternative. Hurricane gets the STAB bonus too, and has perfect accuracy in the rain. Thunder can be used on a rain team, and can also be a good option outside of rain. Flamethrower gets good coverage with Dragonite's primary STAB, but will be weakened by rain if Dragonite is on a rain team. Protect is almost a necessity in VGC, and should be used on almost everything in it.</p>


    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The EV spread is the same as before—the HP EVs guarantee Dragonite will survive Life Orb Latios's Draco Meteor, while the Speed EVs let it outpace uninvested Rotom-A—except the Attack EVs are moved to Special Attack instead and a Modest nature is used. As for item choice, Dragon Gem is useful for powering up Dragonite's Dragon-type attack, while the Haban Berry can help against opposing Dragon-types, most notably, Dragon Gem Latios.</p>

    <p>As this is a weather-oriented set, Politoed gets first mention. In rain, Thunder and Hurricane both have perfect accuracy, and with their 120 Base Power, they will do massive amounts of damage. Other partners include Earthquake users, Fake Out users, and Pokemon that can counter Dragonite's checks, such as Krookodile, Hitmontop, and Scrafty.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Dragonite can also run a Trick Room set; the only change required would be to put the Speed EVs into HP and to use a Brave or Quiet nature. An unmentioned but viable attack to use is Earthquake, though Rock Slide is generally a better spread attack as it won't damage your partner. Brick Break is another option as it has good coverage with Dragon Claw, and can also break the rare Light Screen and Reflect. Roost could be chosen over Protect to renew Multiscale and restore health, but Protect is generally the preferred option in VGC. Dragonite can run the Inner Focus ability to prevent flinching from Fake Out, a move commonly used on Dragonite to break Multiscale. The extra turn could allow Dragonite to either attack or maybe set up Tailwind.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>As stated before, Latios and Abomasnow can counter Dragonite quite well. Abomasnow summons hail,which breaks Multiscale, making Yache Berry the only way to thwart Abomasnow. Similarly, Tyranitar conjures a sandstorm, and Rock Slide severely dents Dragonite once Multiscale is gone. Fake Out users, such as Hitmontop, can help break Multiscale, but they must be wary of the rare Inner Focus Dragonite that could use that turn to its advantage.</p>


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