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Dragonite (Rain Sweeper) (READY FOR UPLOAD)

Discussion in 'Uploaded Analyses' started by AccidentalGreed, Aug 24, 2013.

  1. AccidentalGreed

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    Come on, Jon, step it up. I liked ya.

    STATUS: GP THIS

    QC APPROVALS (3/3): (BKC) (Dice) (Jukain)

    GP APPROVALS (2/2): (Fuzznip) (Rohail)
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    Hi I'm a Kingdra that does well outside of rain AND beats Ferrothorn. Crazy, right?


    [SET]
    name: Rain Sweeper
    move 1: Agility
    move 2: Hurricane
    move 3: Thunder
    move 4: Aqua Tail / Surf / Superpower
    item: Life Orb
    ability: Multiscale
    nature: Naive / Rash
    evs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This set, yet another one of Dragonite's rain-utilizing variant, functions as a more independent sweeper rather than a support unit or wallbreaker. Specifically, it makes use of the odd Agility, doubling Dragonite's average Speed which allows it to outrun and take out faster opponents. Keep in mind, however, that this set also invests heavily in Speed, making Dragonite actually quite fast as is; therefore, Agility should only be used if dangerous Choice Scarf Pokemon or otherwise faster threats are present.</p>

    <p>Thanks to the sheer power of Dragonite's Hurricane and Thunder, backed up by investment and Life Orb, Dragonite can lure in and greatly weaken or KO most of its regular checks and counters. Hurricane 2HKOes standard Ferrothorn with one layer of Spikes, and scores many OHKOes against a large list of offensive threats not resistant to it. Thunder complements Hurricane with additional coverage, especially against the more defensive Water- and Flying-types such as Jellicent, Vaporeon, and Skarmory. The last move depends on personal preference. Aqua Tail breaks down a number of threats, mainly Blissey, Heatran, and most Steel- or Rock-types in the rain, and Tyranitar in sandstorm. Surf is an alternative with perfect accuracy and special damage output, and is generally a better option against most physically defensive Steel-types and Landorus-T. Superpower does most of the things Aqua Tail does, except it is less reliant on weather, takes out Kyurem-B, and ensures that you can win the weather war by OHKOing Tyranitar right off the bat.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>A Naive nature is preferred here, as the extra Speed points allow Dragonite to outrun a number of important Choice Scarf users, mainly Keldeo, Terrakion, and Latios, after an Agility boost. The increased Speed also generally makes Dragonite more offensively functional and less reliant on Agility in dire situations. A Rash nature, on the other hand, offers more special power and allows Dragonite to attain even more KOs overall. A prime example of this is against 4/0 Kyurem-B, which has an 18.75% chance of being OHKOed by Rash Hurricane after Stealth Rock damage, but can always survive Naive Hurricane. However, keep in mind that +2 Rash Dragonite falls just short of Choice Scarf Terrakion and Keldeo by a single point, which makes it fairly easy to revenge kill considering these variants are very common. If using Surf, use a Timid or Modest nature instead to avoid the Defense drop.</p>

    <p>A common issue with this set is its inability to KO many Dragon-types in time. While most Dragon-types still dislike taking Hurricane, others, such as Latios and Kyurem-B, can survive and use their respective Dragon-type STAB to revenge kill Dragonite. Therefore, Dragon Pulse is a perfectly valid alternative on this set, OHKOing a number of Dragon-types after Stealth Rock damage. Finding a moveslot for it, however, can be difficult due to the importance and coverage of the listed attacking moves. A good way to get around this is by pairing Dragonite with teammates that also utilize Thunder, such as Rotom-W, and replacing Thunder with Dragon Pulse.</p>

    <p>Politoed is obviously a required teammate as Hurricane, Thunder, Aqua Tail, and Surf are very reliant on rain support. Politoed should also preferably have Encore or Perish Song in its arsenal in order to force switches, and thus give Dragonite more leeway in setting up. Rapid Spin support is also essential to preserve Multiscale, granting Dragonite even more valuable setup opportunities. This is especially important considering Life Orb puts Dragonite on a timer, and Dragonite itself won't last for long overall. In the rain, good Rapid Spin users include Starmie, which can also utilize the rain offensively, and Tentacruel, which also handles many defensive counters to Dragonite. Speaking of which, even though Dragonite can 2HKO defensive Pokemon, it needs hazard support to do so (especially if Dragonite is running a Naive nature). Sadly, even with the usual Stealth Rock or Spikes support, it also needs additional offensive support to ensure a smooth sweep, as it is easily vulnerable to status and stray attacks while attacking or setting up Agility. Choice Band or Substitute + Swords Dance Terrakion is a particularly good example, as it handily beats and scares off Chansey, Blissey, and defensive Tyranitar, while maintaining good offensive momentum. Keldeo and Gyarados also do a fine job against these threats in addition to Jirachi, while also taking advantage of the rain themselves.</p>
    Last edited: Aug 25, 2013
  2. AccidentalGreed

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    I'm finished with the writeup like I promised! However, I'd like QC to look over this a little more (one more QC check) , as I have only had a few days experience with this, and would like to see if past examinations apply. One little personal thing I have with this set is its inability to OHKO most Dragon-types, which I believe is somewhat important considering most Rain teams have trouble with them. However, this is preference, so give your opinions on this also if you would like to.

    Cheers!
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    Yeah slash Dragon Pulse in the last slot -- fuk Dragons. Second or third slash -- whatever you think is best.

    AC Lum Berry too, status is dumb.

    With that, we can call this QC Approved 3/3. Great job, @AccidentalGreed ~~~
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    Okay we decided and I decided upon further thought to keep Dragon Pulse in AC.
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    Fine, fine, suit yourselves~ @Jukain

    Anyhow this is ready for GP checks. Get at em' GPmons.
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    GP 1/2 @AccidentalGreed
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    Disagreeing with the addition of Lum Berry in the AC of the set. Without Life Orb Dragonite is pitifully weak and can't even OHKO many offensive Pokemon.
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    Got it dudes.

    One more GP check, and this baby can go hasta-la-vista~
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    [SET] (You missed this from the last GP check)
    name: Rain Sweeper
    move 1: Agility
    move 2: Hurricane
    move 3: Thunder
    move 4: Aqua Tail / Surf / Superpower
    item: Life Orb
    ability: Multiscale
    nature: Naive / Rash
    evs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>This set, yet another
    one of Dragonite's rain-utilizing variety variant, functions as a more independent sweeper rather than a support unit or wallbreaker. Specifically, it makes use of the odd Agility, doubling Dragonite's average Speed which allows it to outrun and take out faster opponents. Keep in mind, however, that this set also invests heavily in Speed, making Dragonite decently fast as is; therefore, Agility should only be used if dangerous Choice Scarf Pokemon or otherwise faster threats are present.</p>

    <p>Thanks to the sheer power of Dragonite's Hurricane and Thunder, backed up by investment and Life Orb, Dragonite can lure in and greatly weaken or KO most of its regular checks and counters. Hurricane 2HKOes standard Ferrothorn with one layer of Spikes, and scores many OHKOes against a large list of offensive threats not resistant to it. Thunder complements Hurricane with additional coverage, especially against the more defensive Water- and Flying-types such as Jellicent, Vaporeon, and Skarmory. The last move depends on personal preference. Aqua Tail breaks down a number of threats, mainly Blissey, Heatran, and most Steel- or Rock-types in the rain, and Tyranitar in sandstorm. Surf is an alternative with perfect accuracy and special damage output, and is generally a better option against most physically defensive Steel-types and Landorus-T. Superpower does most of the things Aqua Tail does, except it is less reliant on weather, and ensures that you can win the weather war by OHKOing Tyranitar right off the bat.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>
    This set functions mainly with powerful special attacks, so maximizing Special Attack and Speed should suffice. (No need to mention this, as the EV spread does nothing too specific) A Naive nature is preferred here, as the extra Speed points allow Dragonite to outrun a number of important Choice Scarf users, mainly Keldeo, Terrakion, and Latios, after an Agility boost. The increased Speed also generally makes Dragonite more offensively functional and less reliant on Agility in dire situations. A Rash nature, on the other hand, offers more special power and allows Dragonite to attain even more KOs overall. A prime example of this is against 4/0 Kyurem-B, which has a an 18.75% chance of being OHKOed by Rash Hurricane after Stealth Rock damage, but can absolutely always survive a Naive Hurricane. However, keep in mind that +2 Rash Dragonite falls just short of Choice Scarf Terrakion and Keldeo by a single point, which makes it fairly easy to revenge kill considering these variants are very common. If using Surf, use a Timid or Modest nature instead to avoid the Defense drop.</p>

    <p>A common issue with this set is its inability to KO many Dragon-types in time. While most Dragon-types still dislike taking Hurricane,
    most others, such as Latios and Kyurem-B, can survive and use their respective Dragon-type STAB to revenge kill Dragonite. Therefore, Dragon Pulse is a perfectly valid alternative on this set, OHKOing a number of Dragon-types after Stealth Rock damage. Finding a moveslot for it, however, can be difficult due to the importance and coverage of the listed attacking moves. A good way to get around this is by pairing Dragonite with teammates that also abuse utilize (Avoid using the word "abuse" in analyses, as it generally gives negative impact) Thunder, such as Rotom-W, and replacing Thunder with Dragon Pulse.</p>

    <p>Politoed is obviously a required teammates teammate as Hurricane, Thunder, Aqua Tail, and Surf are very reliant on rain support. Politoed should also preferably have Encore or Perish Song in its arsenal in order to force switches, and thus give Dragonite more leeway in setting up. Rapid Spin support is also essential to preserve Multiscale, granting Dragonite even more valuable setup opportunities. This is especially important considering Life Orb puts Dragonite on a timer, and Dragonite itself won't last for long overall. In the rain, good Rapid Spin users include Starmie, which can also abuse utilize the rain offensively, and Tentacruel, which also handles many defensive counters to Dragonite. Speaking of which, even though Dragonite can 2HKO defensive Pokemon, it needs hazard support to do so (especially if Dragonite is running a Naive nature). Sadly, even with the usual Stealth Rock or Spikes support, it also needs additional offensive support to ensure a smooth sweep, as it is easily vulnerable to status and stray attacks while attacking or setting up Agility. Choice Band or Substitute + Swords Dance Terrakion is a particularly good example, as it handily beats and scares off Chansey, Blissey, and defensive Tyranitar, while maintaining good offensive momentum. Keldeo and Gyarados also does do a fine job against these threats, while also taking advantage of the rain themselves.</p>

    Very well done :)

    GP Approved 2/2
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    Thanks Ro-dude~

    This is ready for uploadin'
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