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Drizzle "Accidental VoltTurn" Team

Discussion in 'BW OU Teams' started by sensen22, Jan 16, 2013.

  1. sensen22

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    Drizzle "Accidental VoltTurn" Team

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    Building Around Tornadus-T!
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    Politoed
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    Trait: Drizzle
    Nature: Bold
    EV Spread: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spe
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    ~Scald
    ~Toxic
    ~Protect
    ~Perish Song


    Tentacruel

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    @ [​IMG] Black Sludge
    Trait: Rain Dish
    Nature: Bold
    EV Spread: 252 HP / 236 Def / 20 Spe
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    ~Scald
    ~Toxic
    ~Protect
    ~Rapid Spin


    Ferrothorn

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    Trait: Iron Barbs
    Nature: Careful
    EV Spread: 252 HP / 88 Def / 168 SpD
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    ~Stealth Rock
    ~Leech Seed
    ~Thunder Wave
    ~Power Whip


    Rotom-Wash
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    Trait: Levitate
    Nature: Modest
    EV Spread: 184 HP / 4 Def / 144 SpA / 176 Spe
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    ~Volt Switch
    ~Hydro Pump
    ~Will-O-Wisp
    ~Pain Split


    Scizor

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    Trait: Technician
    Nature: Adamant
    EV Spread: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SpD
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    ~U-Turn
    ~Bullet Punch
    ~Superpower
    ~Pursuit


    Tornadus-T

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    Trait: Regenerator
    Nature: Naive
    EV Spread: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
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    ~U-Turn
    ~Hurricane
    ~Superpower
    ~Taunt


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  2. Ada

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    You have a very nice formatting that makes me want to help this team^^ My only suggestion for now is to change the yellow font since it’s not so easy on the eyes.

    The team itself seems pretty solid but I do have a few concerns. As you know, set up sweepers can be quite threatening for this team since it relies so much on Scizor for revenge killing. Pokemon like SubCM Jirachi and SubCMKeldeo(rare) can set up on certain members with ease, so that could be annoying. Dragons can be handled decently but again, subCharge Magnezone can set up on Ferro and take out at least two members.

    Notice I still haven’t said anything about Volcarona and Toxicroak yet, but you get the idea. I also don’t like the 50/50 games of leading with Politoed or Tornadus-T against lead Breloom - losing a Pokemon to sleep puts you at a huge disadvantage.

    Out of curiosity, how do you normally deal with these Pokemon or are they not that much of a threat in practice?
  3. Nova

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    Hi sensen22

    This is a pretty standard Rain team that is very effective in the current metagame with its balance of offense and defense. You have a nice defensive core with Politoed/Tentacruel/Ferrothorn and a Voltturn core of Scizor/Rotom-W that can wear down the opposition, opening the door for a late game Tornadus-T sweep. Looking at your team, a major threat to it is Swords Dance Toxicroak. Toxicroak can set up against Politoed and Tentacruel as they both cannot touch it and then deal major damage while healing itself with Drain Punch and using a priority Sucker Punch to hit Tornadus-T hard. Swords Dance Lucario is another threat to your team especially after you lose Tentacruel as nothing can take a +2 Close Combat and Tornadus-T cannot take a boosted Extremespeed. Another threat to your team is Nasty Plot Thundurus-T who can sweep you after a Nasty Plot boost with its coverage of Thunder and Focus Blast. For these threats I recommend replacing Rotom-W with a Specially Defensive Zapdos with a moveset of Thunder / Hidden Power Ice / Roost / Roar. Zapdos is a solid special wall who can continue to check Tornadus-T as Rotom-W is currently but can also check the aforementioned physical threats of Toxicroak and Lucario. An EV spread of 248 HP / 184 SDef / 76 Spd with a Timid nature should be used on Zapdos to outspeed both Adamant Toxicroak and Adamant Lucario and hit them with a STAB Thunder. Zapdos will help you with your Thundurus-T weakness slightly as he can live a +2 Thunderbolt and Roar it out to wear it down with Stealth Rock until the point at which Tornadus-T's Hurricane or Scizor's Bullet Punch can KO it. This isn't the most failproof check but it is a decent solution that doesn't open up any more weaknesses. Hidden Power Ice is used to hit Ground, Grass, and Dragon types which Thunder cannot damage, providing Zapdos with some pseudo Boltbeam coverage. Roost allows Zapdos to heal itself, providing more survivability and Roar helps phaze out setup sweepers.

    Lastly on Ferrothorn, change his nature from Sassy to Careful. Sassy increases Special Defense and decreases Speed but there is no reason to decrease Ferrothorn's Speed as you are not using Gyro Ball on it. Typically, one would use a Speed decreasing nature on Ferrothorn to power up Gyro Ball but it's not needed here and Careful Nature decreases Special Attack instead which is the right choice as you are not using any Special attacks on Ferrothorn.

    Hope I helped and good luck with your team!


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    Zapdos @ Leftovers
    Trait: Pressure
    EVs: 248 HP / 184 SDef / 76 Spd
    Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    -Thunder
    -Hidden Power Ice
    -Roost
    -Roar



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    Rotom-W ----> Specially Defensive Zapdos
    Sassy Nature on Ferrothorn ----> Careful Nature
  4. Kidogo

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    As others have said, this is a solid rain team, funny how you accidentally ended up with volturn. Novaray's suggestion of SpD zapdos seems solid, it should help your team with the aforementioned threats. Unfortunately, subCMrachi and thundurus-t still seem like problems, since LO agility thundurus for example can pretty much OHKO everything on the team if SR is up, and zapdos will get worn down by subCMrachi each time it roars it out. One possibility would be to switch ferrothorn for psong Celebi, which beats many of the aforementioned threats handily--it can psong or psychic toxicroak, psong subCMrachi, tank a +2 hit from lucario, and check thundurus, taking a LO hp ice and psychicing. It does make your team more torny-weak though, so switching rotom --> zapdos might be a good idea if you do do this. A good celebi set would be:
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    Celebi @ Leftovers
    Trait: Natural Cure
    EVs: 252 HP / 88 SDef / 152 Def / 16 Spd
    Calm Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
    -Stealth Rock
    -Perish Song
    -Recover
    -Psychic
    EVs avoid a 2HKO from timid thundurus-t's HP ice, outspeed jolly breloom, and then maximize def. Twave or u-turn could go > psychic in the last slot, but I like being able to do some consistent damage.

    Even if you do decide to keep rotom, I'd definitely go for a more defensive spread. I'd probably go 252 HP / 168 SpD / 88 Spe Calm, which outspeeds max speed adamant scizor and guarantees you'll live 3 specs hurricanes from tornadus while maximizing overall bulk. If you want a bit more power, you could also go 252 HP / 48 SpA / 120 SpD / 88 Spe modest, which avoids the 3hko from LO hurricane. Either way, I think you'll find the extra bulk welcome.

    I think toxic is worth a thought on tentacruel since it allows it to spin vs jellicent, but knock off is cool too.

    Otherwise, p cool team, hope my comments helped!
  5. Superpowerdude

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    Hi :D

    This team looks quite decent however there are a few issues that I think need to be patched up. First of all probably the biggest flaw I have noticed with this team is a lack of a Choice Scarf user. In my opinion a revenge killer is absolutely essential in every team seeing as the OU metagame is so fast paced that you have to have a Choice Scarf Pokemon to pick off fast, powerful Pokemon. Also with Scizor and Tornadus-T as your main source of offense Jirachi can be quite threatening. Particularily the Sub+CM set as it can avoid status moves from your other team members. Sub+CM Jirachi can set up on Scizor, Rotom-W, Tornadus-T, Tentacruel and while it can't do much to Ferrothorn, Ferrothorn can't do to much back either. While Politoed can annoy it with Perish Song it can't take a boosted Thunder from Jirachi. Breloom also looks threatening. Your only real switch in to it is Tornadus-T who is made useless by Spore. From there whether Breloom is a Choice Band or a Life Orb variant, its Bullet Seed and Mach Punch will greatly threaten your other team members. Finally Choice Scarf Thunderous-T looks like a big threat, outspeeding your whole team and hitting all your members super effectively with Thunder / Focus Blast / Hidden Power [Ice] except Scizor and Rotom-W. Scizor can't take a Thunder and Thunderous-T resists its Bullet Punch.

    As mentioned above your team lacks a dedicated revenge killer. You also have a big weakness to Jirachi and Thunderous-T. an apporopriate change would be to use a Choice Scarf Garchomp>Scizor not only does this change give you a Choice Scarf user but with Earthqauke and Stone Edge it has the edgequake combination and the coverage necassary to hit Jirachi and Thunderous-T super effectively. Garchomp's base 102 Speed trolls Thunderous-Ts base 101 Speed letting it even outspeed Choice Scarf varaints. Outrage and Dragon Claw are their prrimarily for STAB with Dragon Claw being nice to avoid getting locked into Outrage. Seeing as this is a rain team you could use Aqua Tail>Stone Edge on Garchomp but seeing as Thunderous-T is a big threat I wouldn't reccommend it. I switched him for Scizor, because all your other team members provide a role to vital to give up, Tornadus-T provides rain abuse, Ferrothorn brings hazards, Rotom-W helps against opposing rain, Tentacruel rapid spins and Politoed provides rain.

    With this change your team has a much better time against Jirachi and Thunderous-T and just fast threats in general. However to fix your Breloom weakness I would reccommend running a Choice Specs Tornadus-T with Sleep Talk with Sleep Talk you can still find some use with Tornadus-T even if it is asleep as any of its moves hurt Breloom greatly (Hurricane, Focus Blast, U-turn) other then that the set is pretty much the same except more powerful, although you do lose the freedom to switch moves. Choice Specs Tornadus-T works especially well with Garchomp because Garchomp can take on or weaken the Pokemon that wall Choice Specs Tornadus-T (Rotom-W, Chansey, Blissey, Jirachi). I think your team will also enjoy the immediate power that Choice Specs Tornadus-T brings seeing as your team doesn't carry to much offensive Pokemon.

    Now for some minor changes I think Ferrothorn definitely needs Gyro Ball>Thunder Wave this is because with Scizor gone you lose another Steel-type and while Garchomp can revenge kill most Dragon-types a Sub+DD Dragonite can set up on Ferrothorn and potentially sweep your team. With Gyro Ball you can break its Substitutes easier making it much easier to handle. Garchomp and Tornadus-T are quite fast so losing Thunder Wave won't be to bad especially seeing as it clashes with Rotom-W's Will-o-Wisp. Speaking about Rotom-W I think a bulkier spread would be better so it can potentially tank hits from Thunderous-T easier, because even if you do go with Garchomp it is still a threat seeing as Stone Edge has only 80% accuracy and if you verse an Agility Thunderous-T it can outspeed Garchomp after a boost. An ev spread of 252 Hp / 28 SpA / 228 SpD>184 HP / 4 Def / 144 SpA / 176 Spe is preffered so you can tank special hits better. The 28 SpA evs let you always ohko standard Gliscor with Rotom-W's Hydro Pump. Also I fail to see why you use Tentacruel and don't abuse quite possibly the best thing it has in its arsenal. Which is Toxic. With no Thunder Wave on Ferrothorn it will be easier to run Toxic on Tentacruel and honestly if you don't run it, your better of using something more offensive like Starmie. So Toxic>Knock Off is a good suggestion. Knock Off is a little bit gimmicky and more often then not you will just lose momentum by using it. A lot of Choice item users can beat Tentacruel anyway Like Terrakion with Earthqauke and Latios with Psyshock.

    Good luck with the team I hope I helped!

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    Garchomp @ Choice Scarf | Rough Skin
    Jolly | 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
    Outrage | Dragon Claw | Earthquake | Stone Edge

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    Tornadus-T @ Choice Specs | Regenarator
    Naive | 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    Hurricane | Sleep Talk | Focus Blast | U-turn

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    Scizor--->Garchomp

    Tornadus-T
    .Life Orb Set--->Choice Specs Set

    Ferrothorn
    .Thunder Wave--->Gyro Ball

    Rotom-W
    .184 HP / 4 Def / 144 SpA / 176 Spe--->252 HP / 28 SpA / 228 SpD

    Tentacruel
    .Knock Off--->Toxic



    ~Superpowerdude
  6. Kidogo

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    Just noting, you have 24 extra EVs on your rotom spread above spd :P. It should be 252 HP / 28 SpA / 228 SpD. I kinda think the 88 speed is worth the investment as mentioned in my post, but that's your call. Also, I don't know I missed it in my rate, but I definitely support adding a scarfer, otherwise any DDer or anything will tear the team apart. Scarfchomp is a great option, although it does make you weaker to agility thundurus. Another option is scarftios, which easily lives a LO hp ice while revenging basically the same threats as scarfchomp. A good moveset is DM / surf / psyshock / trick, or maybe thunder in the last spot if you feel you don't need trick. scarfchomp is a cool option too though, this one helps vs thundurus-t a bit though.
  7. Mosquiton

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    Hi there! Interesting rain team!

    Seeing your team i've find some weakness that could give you many problems.
    The first dangerous Pokémon that i noted is is Magnezone, you haven't safe switchs-in on it and the only resistor one of its stab electric is steel type and you can run the risk of being trapped from magnet pull and then knocked from its HP Fire; The same is for Scizor, Zone can enter on his 3 of 4 moves and if you use BPunch or Pursuit zone will trap kill you really easily.
    Ferro and Scizor can also be used as setup fodder by SubCharger Zone so after that your steel is died zone will make another kill 'cause you have to break the substitute and after you'll make it zone will kill that Pokémon.
    You can't even hit him directly with Superpower of Tornadus as not be able to make a direct and OHKO so you have to weaken it first.
    Other Pokemons that can be problems are Sworddance Lucario e SwordDance Toxicroak.
    Talking about Lucario: Cario find a really easy setup on ferrothorn but also on Scizor if it is locked on pursuit or Bullet punch, so I'll note that you have only check for Lucario: Tentacruel; but he is likely to take 2HKO from extreeme speed if it isn't to full life, the same is for Tornadus 'cause if in the field there is stealth rock get a direct OHKO from ESpeed after a sworddance.
    All other members are OHKO from closecombat to +2 with life orb.
    Same is for Toxicroak but he find easy setup also on Politoed and Tentacruel 'cause he is immune to these water stabs.
    Toxicroak after a sword dance can make an easy 6-0 if in the field there is stealth rock.

    But thinking about these problems I found a great solution!

    I'm talking about DoubleBoost Landorus-T @ YacheBerry > RotomW.
    Landorus thanks to intimidate can enter both on Lucario and Toxicroak decreasing them attacks to one and therefore reduce drastically the damages that may be able and kill them by your powerful ground stab 'cause it's impossible that Lando takes a direct ohko from them priorities with only one boost in attack.
    Same thing for Magnezone, with lando would have a serious switchin on it and can block his electric stab and use the opponent's switch for exploit to boost Landorus and also thanks to Yache be able to block Mamoswine taking half damage from both iceshard and send ko thanks to its EQ stabbed.
    As a last thing that you would avoid with Landorus is Spdef Jirachi with thunder 'cause he can paralyze and create huge holes in your team with because like I said for magnezone you have only one resistor for electric moves, but with landorus can wall it very well finding other turns for setup to hit tough opponent.

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    >Landorus-T over RotomW

    Landorus-T (M) @ Yache Berry
    Trait: Intimidate
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
    Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
    - Earthquake
    - Swords Dance
    - Rock Polish
    - Stone Edge

  8. sensen22

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    ----> Sorry I didn't respond immediately, I'm thinking to bypass Magnezone, I'll shift Leftovers to Shed Shell it would be a huge help but it will lose recovery other than Leech Seed. Yeah a lot of set-up sweepers brings a lot of problem to this team especially CM-Jirachi, because it lacks Pseudo-Hazers. Thundus-T also racks this team once Ferrothorn is out. Breloom as annoying as always putting one of team asleep.

    ---> P.Song Celebi [over Ferrothorn] is good especially with Heatran but since Heatran is not a good option in Drizzle Team, I find it more effective with Defensive Empoleon [over Tentacruel] and replace Rotom-W to Life Orb Starmie so I still have access to Rapid Spin and Scizor to Sash Mamoswine to counter DD dragons especially Thundurus-T.

    ---> I love the idea of Garchomp, I love to use him as well but I'm playing in Pokemon Online, unfortunately we can't play him at Wifi OU even though @Rough Skin Trait. But, I love the idea of Choice-Specs Tor-T I've seen it many time in RMTs I already replace Knock Off to Toxic haha just was a troll, I only have problem with Garchomp.. The rest is Great. I'm thinking to replace Garchomp to Scarf Terrakion although it can't switch in to Thundurus-T, Terrakion is a great addition in any team.

    ---> I thought of it but Offensive Pivot, and partner it with Sp.Defensive Jirachi, the problem is even though Landorus-T is immune to Elec-type moves to deal with Thundurus-T, Jolteon, and Rotom-W, they carry Hydro Pump and HP-Ice to OHKO it. But I think Yache Berry will do the trick. :)

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