What is wrong with Ooraloo's solution? Idgi. We have already visited and revisited subs before, so why is this an issue now?
Edit: It doesn't encourage laziness, infact it discourages laziness in both cases of ordering first or second.
What is the real argument against Ooraloo's solution here?
It is the antithesis to the whole point of stopping Struggle surmounting from a Substitution which we clearly decided we did not want to help newer players out.
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Anyhow, I have never been too strong on the issue but we have half the mod team vehemently against this and I was never really for this in the first place (I said I would only support Texas' idea if it we ABSOLUTELY MUST implement a measure).
The thing is, while this is an issue, it's an issue that easily circumvented by not being lazy and actually taking 1-2 minutes of your time to check if they actually have the moves they say they are using. If someone makes a dummy and you fall for it, then it's your fault for not checking. If they get caught out, then it's their fault that their "gambit" did not go to plan. Ignorance of the law is not an excuse. I see no reason to punish this through Struggle as per above.
Telling people to "just not do it" means diddly squat because it's an "honour code" and honour codes are like a wall made of playing cards; some people might not want to break down the wall, but some will and find it's easy to break down and not worry about any backlash from it, ruining the whole point of the honour code. This is why I am not going to endorse such a thing in this ASB. I believe that when people play ASB, they should not be held back by stigmas associated with legal tactics and that those who want to play to win should be allowed to play to win (and those who want to play for fun should be allowed to play for fun as well) and telling people not to do something goes against this. If you so desperately do not wish to deal with dummy subs, then make an arena with a house rule stopping them from happening.
With that, I am going to side with my two colleagues against this and give this whole issue the veto hammer as there is no point continuing this if the mod team does not wish to have such a rule implemented in ASB. It was worth discussing a little at least and putting it in the spotlight but on the whole, it's just not worth pursuing because again (mod team not wanting it aside), it's only a rule to accompany laziness by making a foolproof gambit—that's only beneficial to the user if the opponent does not know what they are doing—worthless.
