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LC Ekans

Discussion in 'Preliminary Pokedex' started by Mambo, Jun 23, 2014.

  1. Mambo

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    Overview
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    Although it is outclassed defensively by most other Poison-type Pokemon, Ekans has an expansive and rather unique movepool, which includes the rare Coil and Glare, as well as a larger offensive presence after boosts. Its typing grants it nice resistances to Fighting-, Fairy-, and Poison-type moves and Shed Skin is a fantastic counter to common status ailments. However, without a Coil boost, Ekans has disappointing stats and a mediocre offensive presence which can make it easy to play around.

    Coil Sweeper
    ########
    name: Coil Sweeper
    move 1: Coil
    move 2: Gunk Shot
    move 3: Earthquake
    move 4: Sucker Punch / Glare
    ability: Intimidate / Shed Skin
    item: Berry Juice / Eviolite
    evs: 156 HP / 84 Def / 244 SpD
    nature: Careful

    Moves
    ========

    Besides Snivy, Ekans is the only Pokemon in Little Cup that can use Coil, which boosts its Attack, Defense, and accuracy in one turn. Gunk Shot's accuracy was buffed this generation, which puts it at 100% accuracy after one Coil boost. Earthquake smacks Steel-types such as Pawniard and Magnemite, which would otherwise wall Ekans's STAB moves with their Poison immunities. Sucker Punch hits Misdreavus, Gastly, and Psychic-types hard, however most of the above have moves to circumvent Sucker Punch, such as Substitute or Will-O-Wisp. As such, Bite can be used instead. Glare can also be used in the last slot to cripple faster threats, hitting Ground-, Electric-, and Grass-types with 100% accuracy.

    Set Details
    ========

    The given EV spread grants Ekans 22/12/16 bulk, which is further boosted by Eviolite. Intimidate can force switches and Shed Skin removes bothersome status ailments such as paralysis and burn. Berry Juice is used to sustain Ekans's longevity, as it will be switching in and out throughout the match to make good use of Intimidate. Eviolite can be used instead for the added defenses and ability to contend against Pawniard, a common Ekans switch-in. A Careful nature is preferred to increase Ekans's special bulk, as Coil only affects Ekans's Defense stat.

    Usage Tips
    ========

    Ekans can easily switch into a Fighting-type move and Intimidate the foe, then proceed to use Coil as the opposing Pokemon switches out or attempts to hit Ekans. An attacking move can also be used to nail a switch-in for solid damage, so make sure you are selecting your move accordingly.

    Team Options
    ========

    Any Pokemon that can deal with Misdreavus is much appreciated; Houndour, Lickitung, and Porygon are all premier examples. Ekans's ability to take out Fairy-types is a valuable asset to the plethora of Fighting-types in the tier, such as Mienfoo and Scraggy. Water-types such as Staryu and Slowpoke can defeat Ground-types, which can cause some problems for Ekans and prevent it from boosting with Coil. Wish support from Pokemon such as Lickitung and Spritzee is very beneficial, and Ekans can take Fighting- and Poison-type moves aimed at these Wish passers, respectively.

    Other Options
    ########

    A utility set is mostly outclassed by Pokemon such as Cottonee, but is usable due to Ekans's access to unique moves in Glare, Disable, and Haze. By nature of its Poison typing, Ekans has access to a perfectly accurate Toxic; however, the paralysis from Glare is generally more useful.

    Checks & Counters
    ########

    **Abra**: Abra can set up a Substitute on a predicted Sucker Punch and subsequently decimate Ekans with its powerful Psychic.

    **Archen**: Archen resists Gunk Shot, is immune to Earthquake, and can usually shrug off a Sucker Punch. It can also hit it back with Earthquake and heal up with Roost and/or Berry Juice.

    **Misdreavus**: Misdreavus can easily burn Ekans with Will-O-Wisp or set up a Substitute and Nasty Plot.

    **Ground-types**: Ground-types like Drilbur and Diglett are able to take Ekans out with STAB Ground-type attacks, and the latter traps it as well. However, they tend to be prone to Intimidate.

    **Physical Walls**: Hippopotas and Foongus easily shrug off most hits thrown at them.

    **Steel-types**: Steel-types are immune to Ekans's STAB moves, but are usually hit hard by Earthquake. However, Levitate Bronzor and Ferroseed are quite problematic.

    **Phazing**: Phazing, while uncommon, can be used by the likes of Munchlax and Hippopotas to make all Ekans's efforts go to waste.
    Last edited: Jul 21, 2014
  2. Amaura

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    Looks good for right now, fix the C&C issues such as spacing. Also what sets Ekans apart from something like Trubbish?

    Please don't mention Sandile as a check. You can switch that with Diglett and combine the two sentences. Also seeing as they would be switching in on Ekans, they get no Attack drop, so you can remove that part of the sentence.

    Add in something about being able to switch into Cottonee and threaten switchins with Glare. I prefer Glare over Sucker Punch as well, but thats just me.

    Again, remove Sandile from team options. Sandile is a garbage Pokemon. If you want a Pokemon that can take on Misdreavus, you can add in stuff about Pokemon such as Lickitung or Porygon, who can help spread paralysis or pass Wishes to Ekans. \

    Heavily stress Misdravus as a Counter. SubNP Missy can easily set up on Ekans, so teammates that can deal with that before hand are preffered.

    QC 1/3
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    Keep Sucker Punch, but mention Payback over Bite because of how slow Ekans is. It hits Misdreavus and other Ghost-types way harder, while only being slightly weaker than Bite when not boosted. Considering that Frillish and Slowpoke are not as common as they were in 5th gen, I feel this is a positive trade-off.

    I'd like some other QC opinions on this, but maybe adding Disable to OO would be a good idea? It's not that amazing, but against something like Chinchou who could go burn fishing with Scald, Disable can stop that. Perhaps add it into the support set mentioned, especially because it's something Cottonee cannot do.

    Add Archen in as a check now that it's become more common. It resists Gunk Shot, is immune to Earthquake, and a +1 Sucker Punch isn't enough to bring it into Defeatist range, and this is with Berry Juice over Eviolite. Then it has Earthquake to hit it with and Roost or Berry Juice to heal it back up.

    QC 1/3
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    • Definitely slash Berry Juice for the item, and I honestly think it should be the first slash. I know that Eviolite helps with taking hits better, but in a battle where there's constant switching, Ekans will greatly appreciate the healing as it tanks attacks from the likes of Fighting-types and Cottonee. Pawniard is mentioned as a reason for why Eviolite is important but the fact that Intimidate sets off its Defiant boost means that Ekans should be staying away in most cases anyway. Wish support should be recommended in Team Options for when Eviolite is used.
    • List off important Pokemon that Ekans can safely switch into or set up against, which is especially the case against physical attackers if Intimidate is used. These include but are not limited to Mienfoo, Timburr, Riolu, Spritzee, Cottonee, Trubbish, and Croagunk. Shed Skin lets Ekans switch in on Cottonee more comfortably.
    • Add emphasis to how good Glare is; it's the best paralysis-inducing move in the game, being 100% accurate and not blocked by Grass-types or Ground-types like Stun Spore and Thunder Wave, respectively. This gift cannot be stressed enough.

    Not exactly sure why you have 2 QC checks and both of them say 1/3 lol

    QC 3/3
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    Overview
    ########

    Although it is outclassed defensively by most other Poison-type Pokemon, Ekans has an expansive and rather unique movepool, which includinges the rare Coil and Glare, as well as a larger offensive presence after boosts. Its typing grants it nice resistances to Fighting-, Fairy- and Poison-type Pokemonmoves, and Shed Skin is a fantastic counter to common status ailments. However, without a Coil boost, Ekans has disappointing stats and a mediocre offensive presence which can make it easy to play around.

    Coil Sweeper
    ########
    name: Coil Sweeper
    move 1: Coil
    move 2: Gunk Shot
    move 3: Earthquake
    move 4: Sucker Punch / Glare
    ability: Intimidate / Shed Skin
    item: Berry Juice / Eviolite
    evs: 156 HP / 84 Def / 244 SpD
    nature: Careful

    Moves
    ========

    Besides Snivy, Ekans is the only Pokemon in Little Cup that can use Coil, which boosts its Attack, Defense and accuracy in one fell swoop. Gunk Shot's accuracy was buffed this generation, which puts it at 100% accuracy after one Coil boost. Earthquake smacks Steel-types such as Pawniard and Magnemite who would otherwise wall Ekans's STAB moves with their Poison immunities. Sucker Punch hits Misdreavus, Gastly and Psychic-types hard; however, most of the above have moves to circumvent Sucker Punch, such as Substitute or Will-O-Wisp. ThereforeAs such, Bite can be used instead. Glare can also be used in the last slot to cripple faster threats, hitting Ground-, Electric- and Grass-types with 100% accuracy.

    Set Details
    ========

    The given EV spread grants Ekans a bulk spread of 22 / 12 / 16 (HP/Def/SpDef), and Eviolitebulk, which is further enhances these numbersboosted by Eviolite. Intimidate can force switches and Shed Skin removes bothersome status ailments such as paralysis and burn. Berry Juice is used to sustain Ekans's longevity, as it will be switching in and out throughout the match to make good use of Intimidate. Eviolite can be used instead for the added defenses and contend against Pawniard, a common Ekans switch-in. A Careful nature is preferred to increase Ekans's special bulk, as Coil only affects Ekans's Defense stat.

    Usage Tips
    ========

    Ekans can easily switch into a Fighting-type move and Intimidate the foe, then proceeding to use Coil as the opposing Pokemon switches out or attempts to hit Ekans. An attacking move can also be used to nail a switch-in for solid damage, so make sure you are selecting your move accordingly.

    Team Options
    ========

    Any Pokemon that can deal with Misdreavus is muchvery appreciated; Houndour, Lickitung and Porygon are all premier examples. Ekans's ability to take out Fairy-types is a valuable asset to the plethora of Fighting-types in the tier, such as Mienfoo and Scraggy. Water-types such as Staryu and Slowpoke can defeat Ground-types, which can cause some problems for Ekans and prevent it from boosting with Coil. Wish support from Pokemon such as Lickitung and Spritzee is very beneficial, and Ekans can take Fighting- and Poison-type moves aimed at these wish passers, respectively.

    Other Options
    ########

    A utility set is mostly outclassed by Pokemon likesuch as Cottonee, but is usable due to Ekans' access to unique moves in Glare, Disable, and Haze. By nature of its Poison typing, Ekans has access to a perfectly accurate Toxic; however, the paralysis from Glare is generally more useful. Also, lolthough it isn't very viable, Belch can be used on Ekans.

    Checks & Counters
    ########

    **Abra**: Abra can set up a Substitute on a predicted Sucker Punch, and subsequently decimate Ekans with its powerful Psychic.

    **Archen**: Archen resists Gunk Shot, is immune to Earthquake and can usually shrug off a Sucker Punch. It can also hit it back with Earthquake and heal up with Roost and/or Berry Juice.

    **Misdreavus**: Misdreavus can easily burn Ekans with Will-O-Wisp or set up a Substiture and Nasty Plot all over it.

    **Ground-types**: Ground-types like Drilbur and Diglett are able to take it out with STAB Ground-type attacks, and the latter traps it as well; however, they tend to be prone to Intimidate.

    **Physical Walls**: Hippopotas and Foongus easily shrug off most hits thrown at them.

    **Steel-types**: Steel-types are immune to Ekans' STAB, but are usually hit hard by Earthquake; however, (Levitate) Bronzor and Ferroseed are quite problematic.

    **Phazing**: Phaszing, while uncommon, can be used by the likes of Munchlax and Hippopotas to make all Ekans' efforts go to waste.

    don't use abbreviations in analyses pls
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    Last edited: Jul 17, 2014
  7. Mambo

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    The changes have been implemented, thanks for the check.
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    Overview
    ########

    Although it is outclassed defensively by most other Poison-type Pokemon, Ekans has an expansive and rather unique movepool, which includes the rare Coil and Glare, as well as a larger offensive presence after boosts. Its typing grants it nice resistances to Fighting-, Fairy-, (AC) and Poison-type moves and Shed Skin is a fantastic counter to common status ailments. However, without a Coil boost, Ekans has disappointing stats and a mediocre offensive presence which can make it easy to play around.

    Coil Sweeper
    ########
    name: Coil Sweeper
    move 1: Coil
    move 2: Gunk Shot
    move 3: Earthquake
    move 4: Sucker Punch / Glare
    ability: Intimidate / Shed Skin
    item: Berry Juice / Eviolite
    evs: 156 HP / 84 Def / 244 SpD
    nature: Careful

    Moves
    ========

    Besides Snivy, Ekans is the only Pokemon in Little Cup that can use Coil, which boosts its Attack, Defense, (AC) and accuracy in one turn fell swoop. Gunk Shot's accuracy was buffed this generation, which puts it at 100% accuracy after one Coil boost. Earthquake smacks Steel-types such as Pawniard and Magnemite, (AC) which who would otherwise wall Ekans's STAB moves with their Poison immunities. Sucker Punch hits Misdreavus, Gastly, (AC) and Psychic-types hard, (AC) however, (RC) most of the above have moves to circumvent Sucker Punch, such as Substitute or Will-O-Wisp. As such, Bite can be used instead. Glare can also be used in the last slot to cripple faster threats, hitting Ground-, Electric-, (AC) and Grass-types with 100% accuracy.

    Set Details
    ========

    The given EV spread grants Ekans of 22 / 12 / 16 bulk, which is further boosted by Eviolite. Intimidate can force switches and Shed Skin removes bothersome status ailments such as paralysis and burn. Berry Juice is used to sustain Ekans's longevity, as it will be switching in and out throughout the match to make good use of Intimidate. Eviolite can be used instead for the added defenses and ability to contend against Pawniard, a common Ekans switch-in. A Careful nature is preferred to increase Ekans's special bulk, as Coil only affects Ekans's Defense stat.

    Usage Tips
    ========

    Ekans can easily switch into a Fighting-type move and Intimidate the foe, then proceede to use Coil as the opposing Pokemon switches out or attempts to hit Ekans. An attacking move can also be used to nail a switch-in for solid damage, so make sure you are selecting your move accordingly.

    Team Options
    ========

    Any Pokemon that can deal with Misdreavus is much appreciated; Houndour, Lickitung, (AC) and Porygon are all premier examples. Ekans's ability to take out Fairy-types is a valuable asset to the plethora of Fighting-types in the tier, such as Mienfoo and Scraggy. Water-types such as Staryu and Slowpoke can defeat Ground-types, which can cause some problems for Ekans and prevent it from boosting with Coil. Wish support from Pokemon such as Lickitung and Spritzee is very beneficial, and Ekans can take Fighting- and Poison-type moves aimed at these Wish passers, respectively.

    Other Options
    ########

    A utility set is mostly outclassed by Pokemon such as Cottonee, but is usable due to Ekans's access to unique moves in Glare, Disable, (AC) and Haze. By nature of its Poison typing, Ekans has access to a perfectly accurate Toxic; however, the paralysis from Glare is generally more useful. Also, though it isn't very viable, Belch can be used on Ekans. I rly wouldn't mention it if it's not viable; either present a situation where it is more useful in some way or just don't mention it

    Checks & Counters
    ########

    **Abra**: Abra can set up a Substitute on a predicted Sucker Punch, (RC) and subsequently decimate Ekans with its powerful Psychic.

    **Archen**: Archen resists Gunk Shot, is immune to Earthquake, (AC) and can usually shrug off a Sucker Punch. It can also hit it back with Earthquake and heal up with Roost and/or Berry Juice.

    **Misdreavus**: Misdreavus can easily burn Ekans with Will-O-Wisp or set up a Substitute and use Nasty Plot all over it.

    **Ground-types**: Ground-types like Drilbur and Diglett are able to take it Ekans out with STAB Ground-type attacks, and the latter traps it as well. However, they tend to be prone to Intimidate.

    **Physical Walls**: Hippopotas and Foongus easily shrug off most hits thrown at them.

    **Steel-types**: Steel-types are immune to Ekans's STAB moves, but are usually hit hard by Earthquake. However, (Levitate) Bronzor and Ferroseed are quite problematic.

    **Phazing**: Phazing, while uncommon, can be used by the likes of Munchlax and Hippopotas to make all Ekans's efforts go to waste.
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    Last edited: Jul 20, 2014
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    Your changes have been implemented and this analysis is done, thanks :D
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