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Elgyem (LC Analysis) [QC: 3/3] [GP: 2/2]

Discussion in 'Uploaded Analyses' started by Elevator Music, Aug 22, 2012.

  1. Elevator Music

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    [Overview]

    <p>Straight out of Area 51 or some thriller alien movie, you'd better pray that this little green man comes in peace; with base 85 Special Attack and Analytic boosting its attacks, Elgyem isn't something you want to get on the bad side of. Normally such a low Speed stat on an offensive Pokemon would be awful, but Elgyem somehow manages to make it work through the use of Analytic, above average 55 / 55 / 55 defenses, and Recover. Its Psychic typing even manages to make itself useful, giving Elgyem a nice resistance to Fighting-type attacks that allows it to switch in on most Fighting-types without much worry. Analytic really is what makes Elgyem so impressive though; its Speed is so low that it will almost always be slower than its opponent, so Elgyem consistently has the equivalent of a free Life Orb boost without the added recoil. Because of the sheer power that Analytic provides, Elgyem is easily the best bulky attacking Psychic-type in LC and one of the best bulky attackers in LC.</p>

    <p>Although Elgyem might have superior technology, impressive firepower, and adorable looks (it even has a little tail!), it's not without flaws. Once Elgyem has taken down a Pokemon, it's usually in range to be revenge killed. This issue is further compounded by Elgyem's weakness to three of the best offensive Pokemon in LC: Scraggy, Murkrow, and Misdreavus. Even though Elgyem can actually survive their attacks at full health, it will almost always have taken a hit or two before KOing a Pokemon and thus will very rarely be at full health against these three. Elgyem also takes quite a bit of skill to use effectively. The opponent will often switch out against Elgyem, and it can take good prediction to nail whatever is coming in... unless you can get Elgyem's mind probing devices working, that is.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Bulky Attacker
    move 1: Psychic
    move 2: Thunderbolt
    move 3: Hidden Power Fighting
    move 4: Recover
    item: Eviolite
    ability: Analytic
    nature: Modest
    evs: 76 HP / 240 SpA / 120 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Get in, hit hard, and get out. If that's not how you're using Elgyem, you're doing it wrong. Elgyem is bulky enough to come in on weaker Pokemon such as Bronzor, Foongus, and Natu, as well as Fighting-types such as Timburr, and safely spam its high powered, Analytic-boosted attacks. Speaking of Analytic, it is Elgyem's most defining attribute and what sets it apart from other Psychic-types, especially in tandem with its base 85 Special Attack. There aren't many Pokemon in LC that can avoid a 2HKO from Elgyem, provided Elgyem uses the right combination of attacks. This of course means that when you're using Elgyem, prediction is key. However, if you can land the correct attacks, Elgyem becomes a beast. Psychic is an odd move to spam in a tier infested with Murkrow, Scraggy, Bronzor, and Ferroseed, but it is Elgyem's most powerful attack against most Pokemon. Thunderbolt or Hidden Power will hit the aforementioned Pokemon hard though, so they usually aren't a problem with decent prediction. With Recover, Elgyem can stay in the game for the long haul against teams where it is able to switch in multiple times.</p>

    <p>For a Pokemon that is meant to abuse Analytic, running a Modest nature with Speed EVs might seem strange at first; with the given spread, Elgyem will hit a Speed of 11. This allows Elgyem to outspeed many slower walls, so it can hit them with an Analytic-boosted attack while they switch in and then finish them off before they can move. This Speed investment also gives Elgyem an easier time against specific Fighting-types, mainly Croagunk (and to an extent Timburr). With its Special Attack maxed out, Elgyem hits 19 Special Attack, and with what is essentially a free Life Orb boost to most of its attacks, Elgyem is one of the hardest hitting Pokemon in LC. Even with just 76 HP EVs, Elgyem will have the bulk to not only come in on weaker Pokemon but also take some STAB super effective moves at full health in a pinch.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The above combination of moves is usually the best, but Elgyem does have a couple of other options. Shadow Ball is Elgyem's strongest attack against Misdreavus and opposing Psychic-types, and although it won't OHKO Misdreavus, it comes fairly close. Calm Mind can also be used over Thunderbolt or Hidden Power. This lets Elgyem set up on many weaker Pokemon and beat bulkier Pokemon it would otherwise not be able to, such as Lileep. Alternatively, Elgyem can run Charge Beam instead of Thunderbolt, allowing it to attack and set up simultaneously. However, without the Special Defense boosts Calm Mind provides, Elgyem will be even easier to revenge kill, and the initial drop in power is noticeable. If the EV spread irks you, a bulkier spread of 236 HP / 240 SpA with a Quiet nature is an option. This spread allows Elgyem to survive almost any attack if it's close to full health, such as Sucker Punch from Eviolite Murkrow or Shadow Ball from Misdreavus. If this spread is chosen, make sure to set the Speed IV to 2, which minimizes Elgyem's Speed for Analytic while still keeping Hidden Power Fighting.</p>

    <p>This little alien requires a bit of support to bring out its true potential. Like every Pokemon, Elgyem greatly appreciates entry hazard support, as in many instances it's the difference between nabbing or missing a OHKO or 2HKO. Thus, Pokemon such as Ferroseed, Lileep, and Tirtouga are good partners, as they can set up Spikes and Stealth Rock respectively. Elgyem works well with these Pokemon in particular as Ferroseed and Lileep cover the Water-types that Elgyem has a neutral-at-best match-up with, while Tirtouga is a very solid Murkrow check. Additionally, Elgyem helps to cover some of the Fighting-types that threaten these Pokemon. Shelmet also works well as a teammate, protecting Elgyem from Scraggy while also laying down Spikes.</p>

    <p>Elgyem will often come in on bulky Pokemon that carry status moves, so a cleric is much appreciated. Chinchou is the obvious choice, and also helps against Murkrow to boot. Lickitung is an option as well, and can use Knock Off to make Elgyem hit even harder by removing Eviolites. Pokemon that lure in the bulky Pokemon that Elgyem can come in on are almost mandatory. Chinchou helps out in this regard, drawing in weaker Pokemon such as Foongus and Ferroseed. Ferroseed is again a great partner for this reason, as it is bait for Natu and Fighting-types.</p>

    <p>Because three of Elgyem's biggest threats&mdash;Scraggy, Murkrow, and Misdreavus&mdash;are all top threats themselves, it's important to include teammates that can deal with them, especially because some other helpful teammates will surely aggravate these weaknesses. The aforementioned Chinchou, Tirtouga, Ferroseed, and Shelmet all work well (Chinchou and Tirtouga for Murkrow, Ferroseed for Misdreavus, and Shelmet for Scraggy), as well as helping out Elgyem in other ways. Some other helpful teammates include Mienfoo, which can check Scraggy and use either U-turn to get Elgyem in safely or Knock Off to remove Eviolite from opposing Pokemon, and Archen, which can check Murkrow and either set up Stealth Rock or provide U-turn support.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Most Psychic-types have a myriad of disruptive and supporting moves, and Elgyem is no exception. These options include (but are not limited to): Calm Mind, Nasty Plot, Reflect, Light Screen, Thunder Wave, Trick Room, and a Choice Specs set. They all seem alright on paper, but most of the time other Pokemon pull off that particular option better or the set just isn't as viable as it seems. For instance, Elgyem doesn't have the Speed to effectively pull off a stat boosting set, with the possible exception of Calm Mind. If you're running a dual screens set, you should use the much faster Abra, or even Natu. Both Thunder Wave and Trick Room nullify Analytic (which is Elgyem's best attribute), and Elgyem is just not bulky enough for Choice Specs considering it has to take a hit or two before attacking. Elgyem has a solid niche, but it's not any of these.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>One popular theory in Pokemon mythology is that Elgyem actually came to our planet in order to escape other Pokemon that were pursuing it in an attempt to harness its powers for evil. Not really, I just made that up. But if it was true, those evil Pokemon would be the common Dark- and Ghost-types in the tier, notably Murkrow, Scraggy, and Misdreavus. Each of these Pokemon has slight difficulty getting in due to Elgyem's ridiculous firepower, but, if they come in safely, they will either force Elgyem out or KO it if it's even slightly weakened. Other Dark-types, such as Stunky, Houndour, Vullaby, and even Pawniard can do the same. Stunky, Houndour, and Pawniard in particular possess Pursuit (and commonly run it), and Stunky is also not weak to any of Elgyem's attacks. Can't you just imagine a malicious Stunky or Houndour chasing down and knocking out a helpless Elgyem with Pursuit? That scenario just seems awful and scary, and I would probably cry if I saw that happen.</p>

    <p>Elgyem's problems don't stop there however. Other Pokemon with super effective attacks and decent bulk can also be threatening to face. Larvesta has a powerful U-turn that will take a massive chunk out of Elgyem, and even if Elgyem switches out, the opponent will still have the upper hand. Even a Pokemon such as Dwebble could be potentially disastrous to face should it somehow come in safely. Bulky Pokemon that Elgyem can't 2HKO will also be a nuisance. Lileep is the most prolific example, as, even outside of sand, it can avoid a 2HKO in almost all circumstances and stall out Elgyem with Toxic and Recover. Similarly, Munchlax can tank attacks from Elgyem and hit back with Pursuit or a STAB move.</p>

    <p>Elgyem's biggest problem is that its presence on the battlefield is limited due to its low Speed. While it isn't OHKOed by much, after it beats a Pokemon it'll probably be in range to be revenge killed by another powerful attacker. The trick to playing around Elgyem is to exploit this fact and accept that you might lose a Pokemon to it. Once it KOes something, any powerful Pokemon&mdash;such as Drilbur, Snover, Magnemite, or any of the offensive Pokemon listed above&mdash;will usually be able to revenge kill it, or at least force it out and make sure it can't easily come back in.</p>
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    Move Choice Specs to OO and QC 3/3.

    edit: remove Barrier from OO as well because that's dumb. Put Psyshock in AC of the bulky attacker, not OO.
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    I don't really like Psyshock. It doesn't hit anything particularly harder that any of the other moves don't (it hits the same(ish) as Psychic on Misdreavus, Hidden Power probably hits Lileep/Munchlax/whatever just as good, etc). If you can show me some notable calcs then I guess I'll add it in, but it just seems kind of bleh.

    I don't really care about Barrier, but yeah I'll just remove it.

    But ya specs gotta go that set didn't work out at all.
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    [Overview]

    <p>Straight out of Area 51 or some thriller alien movie, you'd better pray that this little green man comes in peace; with base 85 Special Attack and Analytic boosting its attacks, Elgyem isn't something you want to get on the bad side of. Normally such a low Speed stat on an attacking Pokemon would be awful, but Elgyem somehow manages to make it work through the use of Analytic, above average 55 / 55 / 55 defenses, and access to Recover. Its Psychic typing even manages to make itself useful, giving Elgyem a nice resistance to Fighting-type attacks that allows it to switch in on most Fighting-types without much worry. Analytic really is what makes Elgyem so impressive though; its Speed is so low that it will almost always be slower than its opponent, so Elgyem has the equivalent of a free Life Orb boost at all times. Because of the sheer power that Analytic provides, Elgyem is easily the best bulky attacking Psychic-type in LC, and one of the best bulky attackers in LC.</p>

    <p>Although Elgyem might have superior technology, impressive firepower, and adorable looks (it even has a little tail!), it's not without flaws. Once Elgyem has taken down a Pokemon, it's usually in range to be revenge KOed killed. ("revenge killed" or "revenge KOed"? I find the former sounds a bit better. But...) This issue is further compounded by Elgyem's weakness to three of the best offensive Pokemon in LC: Scraggy, Murkrow, and Misdreavus. Even though Elgyem can actually survive their attacks at full health, it will almost always have taken a hit or two before KOing a Pokemon, and thus will very rarely be at full health against these three. Elgyem also takes quite a bit of skill to use effectively. The opponent will often switch out against Elgyem, and it can take good prediction to nail whatever is coming in... unless you can get Elgyem's mind probing devices working, that is.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Bulky Attacker
    move 1: Psychic
    move 2: Thunderbolt
    move 3: Hidden Power Fighting
    move 4: Recover
    item: Eviolite
    ability: Analytic
    nature: Modest
    evs: 76 HP / 240 SpA / 120 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Get in, hit hard, and get out. If that's not how you're using Elgyem, you're doing it wrong. Elgyem is bulky enough to come in on weaker Pokemon such as Bronzor, Foongus, and Natu, and Fighting-types like Timburr, where it can safely spam its high powered, Analytic-boosted attacks. Speaking of Analytic, it is Elgyem's most defining attribute to that sets it apart from other Psychic-types, especially in tandem with its base 85 Special Attack. There isn't much in the tier that isn't 2HKOed by Elgyem with the right combination of moves. This of course means that when you're using Elgyem, prediction is key, but if you can land the correct attacks Elgyem becomes a beast. Psychic is an odd move to spam in a tier infested with Murkrow, Scraggy, Bronzor, and Ferroseed, but it is Elgyem's most powerful attack against most Pokemon. Both Thunderbolt and Hidden Power will hit the aforementioned Pokemon hard though, so it usually isn't a problem with decent prediction. With Recover, Elgyem can stay in the game for the long haul against teams where it will switch in multiple times.</p>

    <p>For a Pokemon that is meant to abuse Analytic, running a Modest nature with Speed EVs might seem strange at first. With the given spread, Elgyem will hit a speed of 11. This allows Elgyem to outspeed many slower walls, so it can hit them with an Analytic boosted attack while they switch in and then finish them off before they can move. It gives Elgyem an easier time against specific Fighting-types, mainly Croagunk (and to an extent Timburr). With Special Attack maxed out, Elgyem hits 19 Special Attack, and coupled with what is essentially a free Life Orb boost to most of its attacks, this makes Elgyem one of the hardest hitting Pokemon in LC. Even with just 76 HP EVs, Elgyem will have the bulk to not only come in on weaker Pokemon, but take even some STAB super effective moves at full health in a pinch.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The above combination of moves is usually the best, but Elgyem does have a couple of other options. Shadow Ball is Elgyem's strongest attack against Misdreavus (and opposing Psychic-types), and although it won't OHKO Misdreavus, it comes fairly close. Calm Mind can also be used over Thunderbolt or Hidden Power. This lets Elgyem set up on many weaker Pokemon and beat some bulkier Pokemon it would otherwise not be able to, such as Lileep. Alternatively, Elgyem can run Charge Beam instead of Thunderbolt, allowing it to attack and set up simultaneously, although without the Special Defense boosts Calm Mind provides it will be even easier to revenge kill. If the EV spread irks you, a bulkier spread using a Quiet nature with 236 HP / 240 SpA is an option. This spread allows Elgyem to survive almost any attack if it's close to full health, such as Sucker Punch from Eviolite Murkrow or Shadow Ball from Misdreavus. If this spread is chosen, take note to set the Speed IV to 2, to which minimizes Elgyem's Speed for Analytic while still keeping Hidden Power Fighting.</p>

    <p>This little alien requires a bit of support to bring out its true potential. Like every Pokemon, Elgyem greatly appreciates entry hazard support, as in many instances it's the difference between nabbing a OHKO or 2HKO or not. Thus, Pokemon like Ferroseed, Lileep, and Tirtouga are good partners, as they can set up Stealth Rock (and Spikes in Ferroseed's case). Elgyem works well with these Pokemon in particular as Ferroseed and Lileep can cover the Water-types in LC that Elgyem has a neutral-at-best match-up with, and Tirtouga is a very solid Murkrow check. Additionally, Elgyem helps to cover the Fighting-type Pokemon such as Timburr and Croagunk that threaten each of those Pokemon. Shelmet also works well as a teammate to protect Elgyem from Scraggy while also laying down Spikes.

    <p>Elgyem will often come in on bulky Pokemon that carry status moves, so a cleric is much appreciated. Chinchou is the obvious choice here, and also helps against Murkrow to boot. Lickitung is also an option, and will work well with entry hazard support itself and can use Knock Off to make Elgyem hit even harder. Pokemon that lure in these bulky Pokemon that Elgyem can come in on are almost mandatory. Chinchou also helps out in this regard, drawing in weaker Pokemon such as Foongus and Ferroseed. Ferroseed is again a great partner for this reason, as it is bait for Natu and Fighting-types such as Croagunk and Timburr.</p>

    <p>Since three of Elgyem's biggest threats--&mdash;Scraggy, Murkrow, and Misdreavus--&mdash;are all top threats themselves, it's important to include teammates that can deal with them, especially so since some other helpful teammates will almost surely aggravate these weaknesses. The aforementioned Chinchou, Tirtouga, Ferroseed, and Shelmet all work well against one of those three, as well as helping out Elgyem in other ways. Some other helpful teammates include Mienfoo, who can check Scraggy and use U-turn to get Elgyem in safely and Knock Off to remove Eviolite from opposing Pokemon, or Archen, who can check Murkrow and use Stealth Rock and U-turn.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Most Psychic-types have a myriad of disruptive and supporting moves, and Elgyem is no exception. Unfortunately, if you want to use any of these options, you're likely better off using a different Psychic type Pokemon. These options include (but are not limited to): Calm Mind, Nasty Plot, Reflect, Light Screen, Thunder Wave, Trick Room, and a Choice Specs set. They all seem alright on paper, but most of the time other Pokemon pull off that particular option better, or the set just isn't as viable as it seems. For instance, Elgyem doesn't have the Speed to effectively pull off a stat boosting set, with the possible exception of Calm Mind. If you're running a dual screens set, you should use the much faster Abra. Both Thunder Wave and Trick Room nullify Analytic (which is Elgyem's best attribute), and Elgyem is just not bulky enough for Choice Specs considering it has to take a hit or two before attacking. Elgyem has a solid niche, just not in any of those sets.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>One popular theory in Pokemon mythology is that Elgyem actually came to our planet in order to run away from other Pokemon that were pursuing it to attempt to harness its powers for evil. Not really,&mdash;I just made that up. But if it was true, those evil Pokemon would be the common Dark- and Ghost-types in the tier, notably Murkrow, Scraggy, and Misdreavus. Each of these Pokemon has slight difficulty getting in due to Elgyem's ridiculous firepower, but if they come in safely they will either threaten force Elgyem out or KO it if it's even slightly weakened. Other Dark-types, such as Stunky, Houndour, Vullaby, and even Pawniard can do the same. Stunky, Houndour, and Pawniard in particular possesses Pursuit, and Stunky is not weak to any of Elgyem's attacks. Can't you just imagine a malicious Stunky or Houndour chasing down and knocking out a helpless Elgyem with Pursuit? That scenario just seems awful and scary, and I would probably cry if I saw that happen.</p>

    <p>Elgyem's problems don't stop there, though. Other Pokemon with super effective attacks and decent bulk can also be threatening to face. Larvesta, for instance, has a powerful U-turn that will take a massive chunk out of Elgyem, and even if Elgyem switches out the opponent will still have the upper hand. Even a Pokemon like Dwebble could be potentially disastrous to face, should it somehow come in safely against Elgyem. Bulky Pokemon that Elgyem can't 2HKO will also be a nuisance. Lileep is the most prolific example, as even outside of sand it can avoid a 2HKO in almost all circumstances and stall out Elgyem with Toxic and Recover. Similarly, Munchlax can tank attacks from Elgyem and hit it back with Pursuit or a STAB move.</p>

    <p>Elgyem's biggest problem is that its presence on the battlefield is limited due to its low Speed. While it isn't OHKOed by much, after it beats a Pokemon it'll probably be in range to be revenge killed by another powerful attacker. The trick to playing around Elgyem is to exploit this fact and accept that you might lose a Pokemon to it. Once it KOes something, any powerful Pokemon,&mdash;such as Drilbur, Snover, Magnemite,&mdash;or any of the offensive Pokemon listed above will usually be able to revenge kill it, or at least threaten force it out and make sure it can't easily come back in.</p>
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    [Overview]

    <p>Straight out of Area 51 or some thriller alien movie, you'd better pray that this little green man comes in peace; with base 85 Special Attack and Analytic boosting its attacks, Elgyem isn't something you want to get on the bad side of. Normally such a low Speed stat on an attacking Pokemon would be awful, but Elgyem somehow manages to make it work through the use of Analytic, above average 55 / 55 / 55 defenses, and access to Recover. Its Psychic typing even manages to make itself useful, giving Elgyem a nice resistance to Fighting-type attacks that allows it to switch in on most Fighting-types without much worry. Analytic really is what makes Elgyem so impressive though; its Speed is so low that it will almost always be slower than its opponent, so Elgyem has the equivalent of a free Life Orb boost at all times with the added fact that's there's no recoil. Because of the sheer power that Analytic provides, Elgyem is easily the best bulky attacking Psychic-type in LC, and one of the best bulky attackers in LC.</p>

    <p>Although Elgyem might have superior technology, impressive firepower, and adorable looks (it even has a little tail!), it's not without flaws. Once Elgyem has taken down a Pokemon, it's usually in range to be revenge KOed killed. This issue is further compounded by Elgyem's weakness to three of the best offensive Pokemon in LC: Scraggy, Murkrow, and Misdreavus. Even though Elgyem can actually survive their attacks at full health, it will almost always have taken a hit or two before KOing a Pokemon, and thus will very rarely be at full health against these three. Elgyem also takes quite a bit of skill to use effectively. The opponent will often switch out against Elgyem, and it can take good prediction to nail whatever is coming in... unless you can get Elgyem's mind probing devices working, that is.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Bulky Attacker
    move 1: Psychic
    move 2: Thunderbolt
    move 3: Hidden Power Fighting
    move 4: Recover
    item: Eviolite
    ability: Analytic
    nature: Modest
    evs: 76 HP / 240 SpA / 120 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Get in, hit hard, and get out. If that's not how you're using Elgyem, you're doing it wrong. Elgyem is bulky enough to come in on weaker Pokemon such as Bronzor, Foongus, and Natu, and Fighting-types like Timburr, where it can safely spam its high powered, Analytic-boosted attacks. Speaking of Analytic, it is Elgyem's most defining attribute that sets it apart from other Psychic-types, especially in tandem with its base 85 Special Attack. There aren't many Pokemon in LC that can avoid a 2HKO from Elgyem, provided Elgyem uses the right combination of attacks. This of course means that when you're using Elgyem, prediction is key, but if you can land the correct attacks Elgyem becomes a beast. Psychic is an odd move to spam in a tier infested with Murkrow, Scraggy, Bronzor, and Ferroseed, but it is Elgyem's most powerful attack against most Pokemon. Both Thunderbolt and Hidden Power will hit the aforementioned Pokemon hard though, so it usually isn't a problem with decent prediction. With Recover, Elgyem can stay in the game for the long haul against teams where it is able to switch in multiple times.</p>

    <p>For a Pokemon that is meant to abuse Analytic, running a Modest nature with Speed EVs might seem strange at first. With the given spread, Elgyem will hit a speed of 11. This allows Elgyem to outspeed many slower walls, so it can hit them with an Analytic-boosted attack while they switch in and then finish them off before they can move. It also gives Elgyem an easier time against specific Fighting-types, mainly Croagunk (and to an extent Timburr). With Special Attack maxed out, Elgyem hits 19 Special Attack, and coupled with what is essentially a free Life Orb boost to most of Analytic boosting its attacks, this makes Elgyem one of the hardest hitting Pokemon in LC. Even with just 76 HP EVs, Elgyem will have the bulk to not only come in on weaker Pokemon, but take even some STAB super effective moves at full health in a pinch.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The above combination of moves is usually the best, but Elgyem does have a couple of other options. Shadow Ball is Elgyem's strongest attack against Misdreavus (and opposing Psychic-types), and although it won't OHKO Misdreavus, it comes fairly close. Calm Mind can also be used over Thunderbolt or Hidden Power. This lets Elgyem set up on many weaker Pokemon and beat some bulkier Pokemon it would otherwise not be able to, such as Lileep. Alternatively, Elgyem can run Charge Beam instead of Thunderbolt, allowing it to attack and set up simultaneously, although w. Without the Special Defense boosts Calm Mind provides it will be even easier to revenge kill, however, and the initial drop in power is noticeable. If the EV spread irks you, a bulkier spread using a Quiet nature with of 236 HP / 240 SpA with a Quiet nature is an option. This spread allows Elgyem to survive almost any attack if it's close to full health, such as Sucker Punch from Eviolite Murkrow or Shadow Ball from Misdreavus. If this spread is chosen, take note to set the Speed IV to 2, which minimizes Elgyem's Speed for Analytic while still keeping Hidden Power Fighting.</p>

    <p>This little alien requires a bit of support to bring out its true potential. Like every Pokemon, Elgyem greatly appreciates entry hazard support, as in many instances it's the difference between nabbing a OHKO or 2HKO or not. Thus, Pokemon like Ferroseed, Lileep, and Tirtouga are good partners, as they can set up Stealth Rock (and Spikes in Ferroseed's case). Elgyem works well with these Pokemon in particular as Ferroseed and Lileep cover the Water-types in LC that Elgyem has a neutral-at-best match-up with, and Tirtouga is a very solid Murkrow check. Additionally, Elgyem helps to cover some of the Fighting-type Pokemon that threaten each of those Pokemon. Shelmet also works well as a teammate to protect Elgyem from Scraggy while also laying down Spikes.</p>

    <p>Elgyem will often come in on bulky Pokemon that carry status moves, so a cleric is much appreciated. Chinchou is the obvious choice here, and also helps against Murkrow to boot. Lickitung is an option as well, and will work well with entry hazard support itself and can use Knock Off to make Elgyem hit even harder. Pokemon that lure in these bulky Pokemon that Elgyem can come in on are almost mandatory. Chinchou also helps out in this regard, drawing in weaker Pokemon such as Foongus and Ferroseed. Ferroseed is again a great partner for this reason, as it is bait for Natu and Fighting-types.</p>

    <p>Since three of Elgyem's biggest threats&mdashScraggy, Murkrow, and Misdreavus&mdashare all top threats themselves, it's important to include teammates that can deal with them, especially so since some other helpful teammates will surely aggravate these weaknesses. The aforementioned Chinchou, Tirtouga, Ferroseed, and Shelmet all work well (Chinchou and Tirtouga for Murkrow, Ferroseed for Misdreavus, and Shelmet for Scraggy), as well as helping out Elgyem in other ways. Some other helpful teammates include Mienfoo, who can check Scraggy and use U-turn to get Elgyem in safely and Knock Off to remove Eviolite from opposing Pokemon, or Archen, who can check Murkrow and use set up Stealth Rock and U-turn.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Most Psychic-types have a myriad of disruptive and supporting moves, and Elgyem is no exception. Unfortunately, if you want to use any of these options, you're likely better off using a different Psychic-type Pokemon, or just a different Pokemon altogether. These options include (but are not limited to): Calm Mind, Nasty Plot, Reflect, Light Screen, Thunder Wave, Trick Room, and a Choice Specs set. They all seem alright on paper, but most of the time other Pokemon pull off that particular option better, or the set just isn't as viable as it seems. For instance, Elgyem doesn't have the Speed to effectively pull off a stat boosting set, with the possible exception of Calm Mind. If you're running a dual screens set, you should use the much faster Abra or even Natu, who comes with the added bonus of Magic Bounce. Both Thunder Wave and Trick Room nullify Analytic (which is Elgyem's best attribute), and Elgyem is just not bulky enough for Choice Specs considering it has to take a hit or two before attacking, and its also not very fun to be locked into one of Elgyem's move since they each have something immune to it. Elgyem has a solid niche, just not in any of those sets but it's not any of these.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>One popular theory in Pokemon mythology is that Elgyem actually came to our planet in order to escape other Pokemon that were pursuing it in an attempt to harness its powers for evil. Not really, I just made that up. But if it was true, those evil Pokemon would be the common Dark- and Ghost-types in the tier, notably Murkrow, Scraggy, and Misdreavus. Each of these Pokemon has slight difficulty getting in due to Elgyem's ridiculous firepower, but if they come in safely they will either force Elgyem out or KO it if it's even slightly weakened. Other Dark-types, such as Stunky, Houndour, Vullaby, and even Pawniard can do the same. Stunky, Houndour, and Pawniard in particular possess Pursuit (and commonly run it), and Stunky is not weak to any of Elgyem's attacks. Can't you just imagine a malicious Stunky or Houndour chasing down and knocking out a helpless Elgyem with Pursuit? That scenario just seems awful and scary, and I would probably cry if I saw that happen.</p> (;-; now I'm sad)

    <p>Elgyem's problems don't stop there though. Other Pokemon with super effective attacks and decent bulk can also be threatening to face. Larvesta for instance has a powerful U-turn that will take a massive chunk out of Elgyem, and even if Elgyem switches out the opponent will still have the upper hand. Even a Pokemon like Dwebble could be potentially disastrous to face, should it somehow come in safely against Elgyem. Bulky Pokemon that Elgyem can't 2HKO will also be a nuisance. Lileep is the most prolific best example, as even outside of sand it can avoid a 2HKO in almost all circumstances and stall out Elgyem with Toxic and Recover. Similarly, Munchlax can tank attacks from Elgyem and hit it back with Pursuit or a STAB move.</p>

    <p>Elgyem's biggest problem is that its presence on the battlefield is limited due to its low Speed. While it isn't OHKOed by much, after it beats a Pokemon it'll probably be in range to be revenge killed by another powerful attacker. The trick to playing around Elgyem is to exploit this fact and accept that you might lose a Pokemon to it. Once it KOes something, any powerful Pokemon&mdash;such as Drilbur, Snover, Magnemite, or any of the offensive Pokemon listed above&mdash;will usually be able to revenge kill it, or at least force it out and make sure it can't easily come back in.</p>
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    It was a quite solid am check, though there were still some things to hammer out.

    Also a solid analysis on top of that.

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    Amateur GP Check. Take whatever you agree with from it. This is a very well written analysis, entertaining without distracting from the subject matter.
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    [Overview]

    <p>Straight out of Area 51 or some thriller alien movie, you'd better pray that this little green man comes in peace; with base 85 Special Attack and Analytic boosting its attacks, Elgyem isn't something you want to get on the bad side of. Normally such a low Speed stat on an offensive Pokemon would be awful, but Elgyem somehow manages to make it work through the use of Analytic, above average 55 / 55 / 55 defenses, and access to Recover (everything in a series should have the same structure so each part could work individually; I'm removing access to because 'through the use of Analytic', 'through the use of above average defenses', and 'through the use of Recover' all work individually, but 'through the use of access to Recover' doesn't do so as well). Its Psychic typing even manages to make itself useful, giving Elgyem a nice resistance to Fighting-type attacks that allows it to switch in on most Fighting-types without much worry. Analytic really is what makes Elgyem so impressive though; its Speed is so low that it will almost always be slower than its opponent, so Elgyem consistently has the equivalent of a free Life Orb boost without the added recoil at all times (changing the phrasing because there are a few slower things out there that you'll occasionally run into). Because of the sheer power that Analytic provides, Elgyem is easily the best bulky attacking Psychic-type in LC, (remove this comma unless you think it is necessary to avoid confusion; these are just two compound nouns, so otherwise it's unnecessary) and one of the best bulky attackers in LC.</p>

    <p>Although Elgyem might have superior technology, impressive firepower, and adorable looks (it even has a little tail!), it's not without flaws. Once Elgyem has taken down a Pokemon, it's usually in range to be revenge killed. This issue is further compounded by Elgyem's weakness to three of the best offensive Pokemon in LC: Scraggy, Murkrow, and Misdreavus. Even though Elgyem can actually survive their attacks at full health, it will almost always have taken a hit or two before KOing a Pokemon, (remove comma; this is just linking two verbs with modifiers, so it is unnecessary) and thus will very rarely be at full health against these three. Elgyem also takes quite a bit of skill to use effectively. The opponent will often switch out against Elgyem, and it can take good prediction to nail whatever is coming in... unless you can get Elgyem's mind probing devices working, that is.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Bulky Attacker
    move 1: Psychic
    move 2: Thunderbolt
    move 3: Hidden Power Fighting
    move 4: Recover
    item: Eviolite
    ability: Analytic
    nature: Modest
    evs: 76 HP / 240 SpA / 120 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Get in, hit hard, and get out. If that's not how you're using Elgyem, you're doing it wrong. Elgyem is bulky enough to come in on weaker Pokemon such as Bronzor, Foongus, and Natu, as well as Fighting-types such as Timburr, where (I think you want a different word here; maybe 'and safely spam...' or 'and begin spamming...' or something else that you prefer, but where doesn't really work in this context) it can safely spam its high powered, Analytic-boosted attacks. Speaking of Analytic, it is Elgyem's most defining attribute that and what sets it apart from other Psychic-types, especially in tandem with its base 85 Special Attack. There aren't many Pokemon in LC that can avoid a 2HKO from Elgyem, provided Elgyem uses the right combination of attacks. This of course means that, (add comma) when you're using Elgyem, prediction is key, but. However, (looked like it was becoming a run on sentence) if you can land the correct attacks, (add comma) Elgyem becomes a beast. Psychic is an odd move to spam in a tier infested with Murkrow, Scraggy, Bronzor, and Ferroseed, but it is Elgyem's most powerful attack against most Pokemon. Both Thunderbolt and Hidden Power (maybe either... or instead of both... and, since, for instance, Ferroseed will not be hit hard enough by Thunderbolt) will hit the aforementioned Pokemon hard though, so it this usually isn't a problem with decent prediction. With Recover, Elgyem can stay in the game for the long haul against teams where it is able to switch in multiple times.</p>

    <p>For a Pokemon that is meant to abuse Analytic, running a Modest nature with Speed EVs might seem strange at first; with the given spread, Elgyem will hit a speed Speed of 11. This allows Elgyem to outspeed many slower walls, so it can hit them with an Analytic-boosted attack while they switch in and then finish them off before they can move. It This Speed investment ('it' is too unclear as its antecedent is two sentences before it) also gives Elgyem an easier time against specific Fighting-types, mainly Croagunk (and to an extent Timburr). With its Special Attack maxed out, Elgyem hits 19 Special Attack, and, (add comma) with what is essentially a free Life Orb boost to most of its attacks, Elgyem is one of the hardest hitting Pokemon in LC. Even with just 76 HP EVs, Elgyem will have the bulk to not only come in on weaker Pokemon, (remove comma; you don't need it in not only...but also structures) but also can even take some STAB super effective moves at full health in a pinch as well.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The above combination of moves is usually the best, but Elgyem does have a couple of other options. Shadow Ball is Elgyem's strongest attack against Misdreavus and opposing Psychic-types, and, (add comma) although it won't OHKO Misdreavus, it comes fairly close. Calm Mind can also be used over Thunderbolt or Hidden Power. This lets Elgyem set up on many weaker Pokemon and beat some bulkier Pokemon it would otherwise not be able to, such as Lileep. Alternatively, Elgyem can run Charge Beam instead of Thunderbolt, allowing it to attack and set up simultaneously. However, without Without the Special Defense boosts Calm Mind provides, (add comma) it will be even easier to revenge kill, however, and the initial drop in power is noticeable. If the EV spread irks you, a bulkier spread of 236 HP / 240 SpA with a Quiet nature is an option. This spread allows Elgyem to survive almost any attack if it's close to full health, such as Sucker Punch from Eviolite Murkrow or Shadow Ball from Misdreavus. If this spread is chosen, take note make sure to set the Speed IV to 2, which minimizes Elgyem's Speed for Analytic while still keeping Hidden Power Fighting.</p>

    <p>This little alien requires a bit of support to bring out its true potential. Like every Pokemon, Elgyem greatly appreciates entry hazard support, as in many instances it's the difference between nabbing or missing a OHKO or 2HKO or not. Thus, Pokemon such as Ferroseed, Lileep, and Tirtouga are good partners, as they can set up Spikes and Stealth Rock respectively. Elgyem works well with these Pokemon in particular as Ferroseed and Lileep cover the Water-types in LC that Elgyem has a neutral-at-best match-up with, while Tirtouga is a very solid Murkrow check. Additionally, Elgyem helps to cover some of the Fighting-types Pokemon that threaten each of these Pokemon. Shelmet also works well as a teammate, protecting to protect Elgyem from Scraggy while also laying down Spikes.</p>

    <p>Elgyem will often come in on bulky Pokemon that carry status moves, so a cleric is (maybe 'will be') much appreciated. Chinchou is the obvious choice here, (remove comma) and also helps against Murkrow to boot. Lickitung is an option as well, and will work well with entry hazard support itself (In my opinion, this bit is unnecessary since you're talking about how Lickitung is a good partner for Elgyem, not how it will benefit from the same stuff as Elgyem will from additional teammates; plus it made the sentence run-on a little bit) and can use Knock Off to make Elgyem hit even harder by removing Eviolites. Pokemon that lure in these the bulky Pokemon that Elgyem can come in on are almost mandatory. Chinchou also helps out in this regard, drawing in weaker Pokemon such as Foongus and Ferroseed. Ferroseed is again a great partner for this reason, as it is bait for Natu and Fighting-types.</p>

    <p>Since three of Elgyem's biggest threats&mdash;Scraggy, Murkrow, and Misdreavus&mdash;are all top threats themselves, it's important to include teammates that can deal with them, especially so since some other helpful teammates will surely aggravate these weaknesses. The aforementioned Chinchou, Tirtouga, Ferroseed, and Shelmet all work well (Chinchou and Tirtouga for Murkrow, Ferroseed for Misdreavus, and Shelmet for Scraggy), as well as helping out Elgyem in other ways. Some other helpful teammates include Mienfoo, who can check Scraggy and use either U-turn to get Elgyem in safely or Knock Off to remove Eviolite from opposing Pokemon, or (maybe and would be better; I'm not entirely sure which is better, but it's the difference between 'other helpful teammates include Mienfoo and Archen' and 'other helpful teamates include Mienfoo or Archen') Archen, who can check Murkrow and either set up Stealth Rock or provide U-turn support.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Most Psychic-types have a myriad of disruptive and supporting moves, and Elgyem is no exception. Unfortunately, if you want to use any of these options, you're likely better off using a different Psychic-type Pokemon, or just a different Pokemon altogether. (you say basically the same thing two sentences later from my vantage point, and it works better with the structure of the paragraph there) These options include (but are not limited to): Calm Mind, Nasty Plot, Reflect, Light Screen, Thunder Wave, Trick Room, and a Choice Specs set. They all seem alright on paper, but most of the time other Pokemon pull off that particular option better, (remove comma) or the set just isn't as viable as it seems. For instance, Elgyem doesn't have the Speed to effectively pull off a stat boosting set, with the possible exception of Calm Mind. If you're running a dual screens set, you should use the much faster Abra, or even Natu. Both Thunder Wave and Trick Room nullify Analytic (which is Elgyem's best attribute), and Elgyem is just not bulky enough for Choice Specs considering it has to take a hit or two before attacking. Elgyem has a solid niche, but it's not any of these.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>One popular theory in Pokemon mythology is that Elgyem actually came to our planet in order to escape other Pokemon that were pursuing it in an attempt to harness its powers for evil. Not really, I just made that up. But if it was true, those evil Pokemon would be the common Dark- and Ghost-types in the tier, notably Murkrow, Scraggy, and Misdreavus. Each of these Pokemon has slight difficulty getting in due to Elgyem's ridiculous firepower, but, (add comma) if they come in safely, (add comma) they will either force Elgyem out or KO it if it's even slightly weakened. Other Dark-types, such as Stunky, Houndour, Vullaby, and even Pawniard can do the same. Stunky, Houndour, and Pawniard in particular possess Pursuit (and commonly run it), while and Stunky is also (you might want to use different words then I did, but while didn't work here since you mention Stunky in the part of the sentence about Pursuit) not weak to any of Elgyem's attacks. Can't you just imagine a malicious Stunky or Houndour chasing down and knocking out a helpless Elgyem with Pursuit? That scenario just seems awful and scary, and I would probably cry if I saw that happen.</p>

    <p>Elgyem's problems don't stop there though however. Other Pokemon with super effective attacks and decent bulk can also be threatening to face. Larvesta has a powerful U-turn that will take a massive chunk out of Elgyem, and, (add comma) even if Elgyem switches out (add comma) the opponent will still have the upper hand. Even a Pokemon such as Dwebble could be potentially disastrous to face, (remove comma) should it somehow come in safely. Bulky Pokemon that Elgyem can't 2HKO will also be a nuisance. Lileep is the most prolific example, as, (add comma) even outside of sand, (add comma) it can avoid a 2HKO in almost all circumstances and stall out Elgyem with Toxic and Recover. Similarly, Munchlax can tank attacks from Elgyem and hit it back with Pursuit or a STAB move.</p>

    <p>Elgyem's biggest problem is that its presence on the battlefield is limited due to its low Speed. While it isn't OHKOed by much, after it beats a Pokemon it'll probably be in range to be revenge killed by another powerful attacker. The trick to playing around Elgyem is to exploit this fact and accept that you might lose a Pokemon to it. Once it KOes something, any powerful Pokemon&mdash;such as Drilbur, Snover, Magnemite, or any of the offensive Pokemon listed above&mdash;will usually be able to revenge kill it, or at least force it out and make sure it can't easily come back in.</p>
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    [Overview]

    <p>Straight out of Area 51 or some thriller alien movie, you'd better pray that this little green man comes in peace; with base 85 Special Attack and Analytic boosting its attacks, Elgyem isn't something you want to get on the bad side of. Normally such a low Speed stat on an offensive Pokemon would be awful, but Elgyem somehow manages to make it work through the use of Analytic, above average 55 / 55 / 55 defenses, and Recover. Its Psychic typing even manages to make itself useful, giving Elgyem a nice resistance to Fighting-type attacks that allows it to switch in on most Fighting-types without much worry. Analytic really is what makes Elgyem so impressive though; its Speed is so low that it will almost always be slower than its opponent, so Elgyem consistently has the equivalent of a free Life Orb boost without the added recoil. Because of the sheer power that Analytic provides, Elgyem is easily the best bulky attacking Psychic-type in LC and one of the best bulky attackers in LC.</p>

    <p>Although Elgyem might have superior technology, impressive firepower, and adorable looks (it even has a little tail!), it's not without flaws. Once Elgyem has taken down a Pokemon, it's usually in range to be revenge killed. This issue is further compounded by Elgyem's weakness to three of the best offensive Pokemon in LC: Scraggy, Murkrow, and Misdreavus. Even though Elgyem can actually survive their attacks at full health, it will almost always have taken a hit or two before KOing a Pokemon and thus will very rarely be at full health against these three. Elgyem also takes quite a bit of skill to use effectively. The opponent will often switch out against Elgyem, and it can take good prediction to nail whatever is coming in... unless you can get Elgyem's mind probing devices working, that is.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Bulky Attacker
    move 1: Psychic
    move 2: Thunderbolt
    move 3: Hidden Power Fighting
    move 4: Recover
    item: Eviolite
    ability: Analytic
    nature: Modest
    evs: 76 HP / 240 SpA / 120 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Get in, hit hard, and get out. If that's not how you're using Elgyem, you're doing it wrong. Elgyem is bulky enough to come in on weaker Pokemon such as Bronzor, Foongus, and Natu, as well as Fighting-types such as Timburr, and safely spam its high powered, Analytic-boosted attacks. Speaking of Analytic, it is Elgyem's most defining attribute and what sets it apart from other Psychic-types, especially in tandem with its base 85 Special Attack. There aren't many Pokemon in LC that can avoid a 2HKO from Elgyem, provided Elgyem uses the right combination of attacks. This of course means that when you're using Elgyem, prediction is key. However, if you can land the correct attacks, Elgyem becomes a beast. Psychic is an odd move to spam in a tier infested with Murkrow, Scraggy, Bronzor, and Ferroseed, but it is Elgyem's most powerful attack against most Pokemon. Thunderbolt or Hidden Power will hit the aforementioned Pokemon hard though, so they usually aren't a problem with decent prediction. With Recover, Elgyem can stay in the game for the long haul against teams where it is able to switch in multiple times.</p>

    <p>For a Pokemon that is meant to abuse Analytic, running a Modest nature with Speed EVs might seem strange at first; with the given spread, Elgyem will hit a Speed of 11. This allows Elgyem to outspeed many slower walls, so it can hit them with an Analytic-boosted attack while they switch in and then finish them off before they can move. This Speed investment also gives Elgyem an easier time against specific Fighting-types, mainly Croagunk (and to an extent Timburr). With its Special Attack maxed out, Elgyem hits 19 Special Attack, and with what is essentially a free Life Orb boost to most of its attacks, Elgyem is one of the hardest hitting Pokemon in LC. Even with just 76 HP EVs, Elgyem will have the bulk to not only come in on weaker Pokemon but also take some STAB super effective moves at full health in a pinch.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The above combination of moves is usually the best, but Elgyem does have a couple of other options. Shadow Ball is Elgyem's strongest attack against Misdreavus and opposing Psychic-types, and although it won't OHKO Misdreavus, it comes fairly close. Calm Mind can also be used over Thunderbolt or Hidden Power. This lets Elgyem set up on many weaker Pokemon and beat some bulkier Pokemon it would otherwise not be able to, such as Lileep. Alternatively, Elgyem can run Charge Beam instead of Thunderbolt, allowing it to attack and set up simultaneously. However, without the Special Defense boosts Calm Mind provides, Elgyem will be even easier to revenge kill, and the initial drop in power is noticeable. If the EV spread irks you, a bulkier spread of 236 HP / 240 SpA with a Quiet nature is an option. This spread allows Elgyem to survive almost any attack if it's close to full health, such as Sucker Punch from Eviolite Murkrow or Shadow Ball from Misdreavus. If this spread is chosen, make sure to set the Speed IV to 2, which minimizes Elgyem's Speed for Analytic while still keeping Hidden Power Fighting.</p>

    <p>This little alien requires a bit of support to bring out its true potential. Like every Pokemon, Elgyem greatly appreciates entry hazard support, as in many instances it's the difference between nabbing or missing a OHKO or 2HKO. Thus, Pokemon such as Ferroseed, Lileep, and Tirtouga are good partners, as they can set up Spikes and Stealth Rock respectively. Elgyem works well with these Pokemon in particular as Ferroseed and Lileep cover the Water-types that Elgyem has a neutral-at-best match-up with, while Tirtouga is a very solid Murkrow check. Additionally, Elgyem helps to cover some of the Fighting-types that threaten these Pokemon. Shelmet also works well as a teammate, protecting Elgyem from Scraggy while also laying down Spikes.</p>

    <p>Elgyem will often come in on bulky Pokemon that carry status moves, so a cleric is much appreciated. Chinchou is the obvious choice, and also helps against Murkrow to boot. Lickitung is an option as well, and can use Knock Off to make Elgyem hit even harder by removing Eviolites. Pokemon that lure in the bulky Pokemon that Elgyem can come in on are almost mandatory. Chinchou helps out in this regard, drawing in weaker Pokemon such as Foongus and Ferroseed. Ferroseed is again a great partner for this reason, as it is bait for Natu and Fighting-types.</p>

    <p>Because three of Elgyem's biggest threats&mdash;Scraggy, Murkrow, and Misdreavus&mdash;are all top threats themselves, it's important to include teammates that can deal with them, especially because some other helpful teammates will surely aggravate these weaknesses. The aforementioned Chinchou, Tirtouga, Ferroseed, and Shelmet all work well (Chinchou and Tirtouga for Murkrow, Ferroseed for Misdreavus, and Shelmet for Scraggy), as well as helping out Elgyem in other ways. Some other helpful teammates include Mienfoo, which can check Scraggy and use either U-turn to get Elgyem in safely or Knock Off to remove Eviolite from opposing Pokemon, and Archen, which can check Murkrow and either set up Stealth Rock or provide U-turn support.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Most Psychic-types have a myriad of disruptive and supporting moves, and Elgyem is no exception. These options include (but are not limited to): Calm Mind, Nasty Plot, Reflect, Light Screen, Thunder Wave, Trick Room, and a Choice Specs set. They all seem alright on paper, but most of the time other Pokemon pull off that particular option better or the set just isn't as viable as it seems. For instance, Elgyem doesn't have the Speed to effectively pull off a stat boosting set, with the possible exception of Calm Mind. If you're running a dual screens set, you should use the much faster Abra, or even Natu. Both Thunder Wave and Trick Room nullify Analytic (which is Elgyem's best attribute), and Elgyem is just not bulky enough for Choice Specs considering it has to take a hit or two before attacking. Elgyem has a solid niche, but it's not any of these.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>One popular theory in Pokemon mythology is that Elgyem actually came to our planet in order to escape other Pokemon that were pursuing it in an attempt to harness its powers for evil. Not really, I just made that up. But if it was true, those evil Pokemon would be the common Dark- and Ghost-types in the tier, notably Murkrow, Scraggy, and Misdreavus. Each of these Pokemon has slight difficulty getting in due to Elgyem's ridiculous firepower, but, if they come in safely, they will either force Elgyem out or KO it if it's even slightly weakened. Other Dark-types, such as Stunky, Houndour, Vullaby, and even Pawniard can do the same. Stunky, Houndour, and Pawniard in particular possess Pursuit (and commonly run it), and Stunky is also not weak to any of Elgyem's attacks. Can't you just imagine a malicious Stunky or Houndour chasing down and knocking out a helpless Elgyem with Pursuit? That scenario just seems awful and scary, and I would probably cry if I saw that happen.</p>

    <p>Elgyem's problems don't stop there however. Other Pokemon with super effective attacks and decent bulk can also be threatening to face. Larvesta has a powerful U-turn that will take a massive chunk out of Elgyem, and even if Elgyem switches out, the opponent will still have the upper hand. Even a Pokemon such as Dwebble could be potentially disastrous to face should it somehow come in safely. Bulky Pokemon that Elgyem can't 2HKO will also be a nuisance. Lileep is the most prolific example, as, even outside of sand, it can avoid a 2HKO in almost all circumstances and stall out Elgyem with Toxic and Recover. Similarly, Munchlax can tank attacks from Elgyem and hit back with Pursuit or a STAB move.</p>

    <p>Elgyem's biggest problem is that its presence on the battlefield is limited due to its low Speed. While it isn't OHKOed by much, after it beats a Pokemon it'll probably be in range to be revenge killed by another powerful attacker. The trick to playing around Elgyem is to exploit this fact and accept that you might lose a Pokemon to it. Once it KOes something, any powerful Pokemon&mdash;such as Drilbur, Snover, Magnemite, or any of the offensive Pokemon listed above&mdash;will usually be able to revenge kill it, or at least force it out and make sure it can't easily come back in.</p>

    Great analyses, with a refreshing amount of humor to boot~
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    Implemented. Thanks everybody~
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