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Elgyem

Discussion in 'BW LC' started by Gengan, Aug 17, 2012.

  1. SpecsX

    SpecsX

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    It also gets Twave and Toxic, but Twave negates Analytic, and everything gets Toxic(I once used No Guard Golurk with Toxic. True story). I don't know what else it gets in the way of support.
  2. Gengan

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    Just like the NP set, Elgyem doesn't have any chance of setting up CM because it's bulk isn't good enough to take a hit. Charge Beam is an option, but choosing what to get rid of over it is the problem. If you drop HP Fight, Scraggy can set-up. If you drop Shadow Ball, Misdreavus has a fun time. If you get rid of Recover, then it can't stay in at all, let alone switch in. And plus, it couldn't really KO a weaker mon because it's so slow. It either gets KOed on the spot or takes extreme damage.

    Pretty much what's listed in OP is what it gets. I looked it up on Serebii and it had literally nothing else to offer in the way of support.

    EDIT: So I did some damage calcs against DD Scraggy vs the set given to me by Corkscrew. The results were... saddening.

    Damage Calcs vs DD Scraggy (open)

    Code:
    236Atk +1 lvl 5 Scraggy (+Atk) Crunch vs 0HP/0Def Eviolite lvl 5 Elgyem (Neutral): 118% - 145% (26 - 32 HP). Guaranteed OHKO.
    236Atk lvl 5 Scraggy (+Atk) Crunch vs 0HP/0Def Eviolite lvl 5 Elgyem (Neutral): 81% - 109% (18 - 24 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO. 33% chance to OHKO.	
    240SpAtk Analytic lvl 5 Elgyem (+SAtk) Hidden Power (Fighting) vs 0HP/36SpDef Eviolite lvl 5 Scraggy (Neutral): 57% - 76% (12 - 16 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO.	
    240SpAtk lvl 5 Elgyem (+SAtk) Hidden Power (Fighting) vs 0HP/36SpDef Eviolite lvl 5 Scraggy (Neutral): 47% - 66% (10 - 14 HP). Guaranteed 3HKO. 38% chance to 2HKO.
    tl;dr
    • Scraggy can easily set up against Elgyem because HP Fight can't OHKO, and then KO it back with Crunch.
    • Even without the DD boost, Crunch still has a decent chance to OHKO while still doing tons of damage.
    • Elgyem fails to KO it whether it gets the Analytic boost or not.


    So there's the small hope that we had, pretty much gone.

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