WIP Elusive Generation Exclusive Moves

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Originally it was called Elusive Move tutors, but some really hard to get moves fall under something different, so I figure this is a better name!

Before I get started, feel free to make suggestions for moves to put in. I'm gonna focus on competitively relevant moves and semi competitively relevant Pokemon (so no I'm not going to tell you how to get Endure Luvdisc unless people actually need that lol). I may also include stuff like certain important move illegalities as well. I'm also considering event moves, but I think we may have an event database? If we do, I might want to link to it in this article regardless.

Anyways, here are the moves thus far!

Generation 1: Red, Green, Blue, Yellow

Thanks to the 3DS Virtual Console, it is now possible to transfer Pokemon from the first generation of games. There are some unique legality issues to note of however.

-These Pokemon can not have any egg moves, as this was before breeding was in the series.

-All Pokemon transferred from Generation 1 are forced to have their hidden abilities.

-Since Pokemon transfered from Generation 1 have at least 3 flawless IVs, Hidden Power Fighting is impossible on these Pokemon.

-All of these Pokemon must come in regular Pokeballs, since Generation 1 did not record the type of Pokeball used to catch Pokemon.

-All of these moves are TM moves.

Body Slam

Significant Pokemon

Kangaskhan: Illegal with Power-up Punch and Scrappy

Tauros: Illegal with Intimidate

Other Pokemon

Counter

Significant Pokemon

Chansey: Illegal with Natural Cure, Wish, Aromatherepy (NOTE: this is an egg move starting in gen 6)

Double-Edge

Significant Pokemon

Kangaskhan: Illegal with Scrappy and Power-up Punch (NOTE: this is an egg move in later gens)

Pinsir: illegal with Quick Attack, Feint, Mold Breaker, Hyper Cutter

Snorlax: Illegal with Recycle,Thick Fat, Fire Punch, Pursuit, Happy Hour (NOTE: This is an egg move in later gens)

Other Pokemon

Fissure

Significant Pokemon

Machop, Machoke, Machamp: Illegal with No Guard

Poliwag, Poliwhirl, Poliwrath, Politoed (evolution in gen 7): Illegal with Water Absorb, Ice Punch, Encore

Slowpoke, Slowbro, Slowking (evolution in gen 7): Illegal with Iron Defense, Oblivious, Belly Drum

Snorlax: Illegal with Recycle,Thick Fat, Fire Punch, Pursuit, Happy Hour (NOTE: This is an egg move in later gens)

Mew: Illegal with Fake Out, Hypnosis, Night Shade, Trick, Knock Off

Other Pokemon

Horn Drill

Significant Pokemon

Dratini, Dragonair, Dragonite: Illegal with Extreme Speed, Dragon Dance, Iron Head

Mew: Illegal with Fake Out, Hypnosis, Night Shade, Trick, Knock Off

Reflect

NOTE: While Reflect has consistently been a TM, the Gen 1 learnpool for Reflect is dramatically different than other gens.

Bulbasaur, Ivysaur, Venusaur: Illegal with Giga Drain

Chansey: Illegal with Natural Cure, Aromatherapy, Wish

Dratini, Dragonair, Dragonite: Illegal with Extreme Speed, Dragon Dance

Eevee family: illegal with Water Absorb, Volt Absorb, Flash Fire, Synchronize

Gyarados: Illegal with Intimidate, Bounce

Moltres: Illegal with Pressure

Porygon, Porygon2, Porygon-Z (via gen 7 evolution): Illegal with Download, Trace, Adaptability, Foul Play, Trick

Slowpoke, Slowbro, Slowking (via gen 7 evolution): Illegal with Oblivious, Iron Defense, Belly Drum

Tentacool, Tentacruel: Illegal with Liquid Ooze

Voltorb, Eelctrode: Illegal with Static

Zapdos: Illegal with Heat Wave, Extrasensory, Air Cutter, Baton Pass

Other Pokemon

Seismic Toss

Chansey: Illegal with Natural Cure, Wish, Aromatherepy (NOTE: This became an egg move starting in Generation 6)

Clefairy, Clefable: Illegal with Magic Guard, Softboiled

Kangaskhan: Illegal with Scrappy, Power-up Punch

Generation 3: Emerald, Fire Red, Leaf Green, XD

-All tutor moves are only avaliable in Emerald, Fire Red, Leaf Green, and Pokemon XD. They are one-use in all games but Emerald as well.

-Apricorn Balls are illegal on these Pokemon.

-Hidden Abilities are not obtainable on these Pokemon.

Counter (Tutor)

Double-Edge (Tutor)

Endure (Tutor)

Seismic Toss (Tutor)

Softboiled (Tutor)

Cleffa, Clefairy, Clefable

Togepi, Togetic

Mew

Pokemon XD Moves

The Gamecube game, Pokemon XD, has several very exclusive moves that are obtained after purifying a Shadow Pokemon. Many of these are fairly useful in doubles, and are the only way to obtain them.
Air Cutter

Extrasensory

Follow Me

Heal Bell

Helping Hand

Refresh

Sing

Mew Tutors

These two moves are (mostly) exclusive to Pokemon XD. Mew may only learn one of them, it can not have all of them in one moveset.

Fake Out, Hypnosis, Night Shade.


Generation 4: Diamond, Pearl, Platinum, Heart Gold, Soul Silver


Defog (HM)

NOTE: In order to transfer this move up, you must teach the Pokemon Defog in Diamond, Pearl, or Platinum, then trade them over to Heart Gold or Soul Silver to transfer them to further generations.

Sucker Punch (Tutor)

Vacuum Wave (Tutor)

Pokemon Ranch Mew (Hypnosis)

If you fill up all 1000 slots on the Wii Ware game, Pokemon Ranch, with Pokemon from Diamond or Pearl, you will be rewarded with a Mew that knows Hypnosis.
 
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Just posting this here now: I realize that the Gold and Silver VC games come out fairly soon, so I'm going to add what that'd add in this 2nd post this weekend so I can't get a bit ahead of the game, then add it to the main post if the game does what we expect!
 

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Would Eruption Heatran from Ranger: Guardian Signs be an appropriate addition? Also, the only Event databases I could find both seem to be from DP era, so quite outdated, but I'll drop the links anyway~

http://www.smogon.com/ingame/guides/event_pokemon
http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/event-moves.34197/
Yeah totally! Honestly, our event guides are that out of date, I don't mind just retrofitting that stuff into this article. Once I get through this week of classes, I got a labor day weekend full of nothing, so I could easily just blast through the regular elusive moves, then add the event moves.

I think it fits since the point of this article is if you're playing ingame (especially for one of Gamefreak's weird ass tournaments where past gen stuff may be unexpectedly useful), you can use this guide to see how feasible using certain stuff is. Mentioning that something like say, Heart Stamp Jirachi requires an obscure event is a good way of keeping people in check fast!
 
#5
Sorry if I'm not supposed to post here but I ran across a PU play asking for a male Human Like mon to be taught TM Captivate in Gen 4 to breed onto Jynx for Z-Captivate. Didn't know whether that was worth adding along with Ally Switch from Gen 5 for Ralts.
 

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Would moves that Pokémon learn in one game but no longer in subsequent games apply for this guide?

I'm sure there are more but I'm thinking specifically about the 4th gen. legendaries; they learn different moves from Platinum onwards than from in Diamond and Pearl . For example, Grass Whistle Shaymin, Pursuit Darkrai, and Heal Block Dialga/Palkia/Giratina.
 
#7
If this is still on going, I would love to help out. I was gonna make one of these myself until I saw someone else already working on it here.

Can I also suggest ability move exclusive combos, such as counter magic guard Zam from gen 1 and sap sipper, whirlpool perish Azu from gen 2.

If you like, i could go through a few gens for you, and send you them through pm or something. Hope its not dead D:
 
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<http://www.smogon.com/ingame/guides/xd_guide>
There is a nicely detailed on-site in-game article that goes over obtaining some of the competitively relavant exclusive XD:Gale of Darkness moves. It doesn't factor in some moves used for sets in more recent generations, though, so here they are:

Of the Refresh Pokémon, the most competitively relevant ones are Pidgeotto (for Mega Pidgeot) and Salamence (for Mega Salamence). Personally, I can see competitive potential in others using it as a Z-move, but this idea isn't seeing use right now.

I'm not too familiar with viable Helping Hand users in Doubles / Triples formats, but the Helping Hand Pokémon that stands out to me is Rhydon.

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Something to consider with Defog is that there are three Pokémon lines that can breed for this move but still require a parent that learned Defog from the Sinnoh HM. There is no way to breed Defog to them using parents caught in Gen 5 onward. These Pokémon lines are Scyther, Seedot, and Drifloon.

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[I'll edit this post if I find anything else and no other posts reply after this one.]
 

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Yeah I'll be updating this some more this weekend. As a note, since we don't have an ETA on the GS tutor moves beyond "this winter", I'm going to use the 2nd post for the updated legalities, so if this goes onsite before the Pokebank update, we'll have an easy fix to it!

Also: Do you guys want me to have Alolan formes separate or together? I'm leaning towards together since Marowak, Exeggutor, and Raichu are going to share tutor moves with their Alolan counterparts anyways.

<http://www.smogon.com/ingame/guides/xd_guide>
There is a nicely detailed on-site in-game article that goes over obtaining some of the competitively relavant exclusive XD:Gale of Darkness moves. It doesn't factor in some moves used for sets in more recent generations, though, so here they are:

Of the Refresh Pokémon, the most competitively relevant ones are Pidgeotto (for Mega Pidgeot) and Salamence (for Mega Salamence). Personally, I can see competitive potential in others using it as a Z-move, but this idea isn't seeing use right now.

I'm not too familiar with viable Helping Hand users in Doubles / Triples formats, but the Helping Hand Pokémon that stands out to me is Rhydon.

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Something to consider with Defog is that there are three Pokémon lines that can breed for this move but still require a parent that learned Defog from the Sinnoh HM. There is no way to breed Defog to them using parents caught in Gen 5 onward. These Pokémon lines are Scyther, Seedot, and Drifloon.

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[I'll edit this post if I find anything else and no other posts reply after this one.]
For XD stuff, I'm probably going to be fairly liberal with what's considered "competitive". For example, pretty much anything with Helping Hand will get mentioned, even though some of it like Banette is pretty questionable. With Refresh, I'm probably only going to mention it on bulky Pokemon, so I probably won't mention it on Pidgeot, but Mega Salamence is a mention for sure.

In general though, XD special moves have commonly come up on certain high ranking teams for obscure competitions (usually doubles stuff like Sinnoh Classic with Dusclops and Follow Me Magmar), so I think it's best to be on the safe side by being liberal here.I might also give a repeat mention for gen 3 tutors here, since I'm thinking I'll use a table of contents for people to get to what they want quickly, so it'd be easy to miss gen 3 tutors if you go straight to XD stuff!

I'll mention the Defog thing for sure too! That's useful info for 6v6 stuff.

ONE FINAL THING: I think I may wait a bit till USUM goes up to have this ready for GP, because there's a good chance that USUM will eliminate the need to mention a lot of ORAS tutors, which would save a lot of space rofl.
 
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Something to consider with Defog is that there are three Pokémon lines that can breed for this move but still require a parent that learned Defog from the Sinnoh HM. There is no way to breed Defog to them using parents caught in Gen 5 onward. These Pokémon lines are Scyther, Seedot, and Drifloon.
Just thought I'd mention that Seedot is in the Field egg group so Smeargle can be used to breed the move on. It's also available in OR so theoretically you could dex nav for a parent with it as well although I haven't tested this.

Edit: Just a thought but once the list is compiled it might be worth checking to see if any of the prior gen moves are dex navigable in ORAS on mons that can be used as parents. Noticed that Serebii's dex has an missing parent for Belly Drum Swirlix that can be dex nav'd for.
 
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Yeah I'll be updating this some more this weekend. As a note, since we don't have an ETA on the GS tutor moves beyond "this winter", I'm going to use the 2nd post for the updated legalities, so if this goes onsite before the Pokebank update, we'll have an easy fix to it!

Also: Do you guys want me to have Alolan formes separate or together? I'm leaning towards together since Marowak, Exeggutor, and Raichu are going to share tutor moves with their Alolan counterparts anyways.



For XD stuff, I'm probably going to be fairly liberal with what's considered "competitive". For example, pretty much anything with Helping Hand will get mentioned, even though some of it like Banette is pretty questionable. With Refresh, I'm probably only going to mention it on bulky Pokemon, so I probably won't mention it on Pidgeot, but Mega Salamence is a mention for sure.

In general though, XD special moves have commonly come up on certain high ranking teams for obscure competitions (usually doubles stuff like Sinnoh Classic with Dusclops and Follow Me Magmar), so I think it's best to be on the safe side by being liberal here.I might also give a repeat mention for gen 3 tutors here, since I'm thinking I'll use a table of contents for people to get to what they want quickly, so it'd be easy to miss gen 3 tutors if you go straight to XD stuff!
I'm okay with seeing the Alolan formes together if they're just going to learn the same moves.

I also specifically mentioned Refresh Pidgeotto because Mega Pidgeot makes a decent Stallbreaker set using it with Work Up in SM UU (and occasionally in ORAS OU).

Just thought I'd mention that Seedot is in the Field egg group so Smeargle can be used to breed the move on. It's also available in OR so theoretically you could dex nav for a parent with it as well although I haven't tested this.
Thanks for catching this. I tend to forget about Smeargle when looking at Field egg groups, despite knowing how that Pokémon is the ideal chain breeder for that egg group. The ORAS DexNav should also be a potential way to get Defog Seedot, but likewise, I've never seen or tested for it.