Exeggutor (Analysis)


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[Overview]

<p>Although Exeggutor took a serious blow from the effective loss of Explosion, it can still pose a serious threat thanks to its high Special Attack and Sleep Powder. Exeggutor can work around its low Speed, whether by doubling it through its Chlorophyll ability, or by turning the opponent's own Speed against it with Trick Room. Exeggutor also has a niche as one of the few viable Pokemon with Harvest, which allows it to stall out entire teams with the right support. Although the severe weakness to Bug-type moves, and consequentially the ubiquitous U-turn, makes Exeggutor difficult to fit into just any team, it can pay off well for those teams that find room for it.</p>

[SET]
name: Sunny Day
move 1: Sunny Day
move 2: SolarBeam / Grass Knot
move 3: Hidden Power Fire / Psyshock
move 4: Sleep Powder
item: Life Orb / Heat Rock
ability: Chlorophyll
nature: Modest / Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 Def / 252 Spe
ivs: 29 HP

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Chlorophyll allows Exeggutor to patch up its low Speed, beating out base 130 Speed Pokemon after a Sunny Day. SolarBeam is Exeggutor's best STAB move in the sun, although Grass Knot is a perfectly acceptable alternative if Abomasnow and Hippopotas are a concern. Hidden Power Fire effectively becomes a STAB move in the sun and nails Grass-types hard, especially Abomasnow, which is one of the biggest threats to this set. Psyshock also works, since many Grass-type Pokemon carry a secondary Poison typing, and it also gives Exeggutor a better chance at beating Chansey. However, this leaves Exeggutor walled by Steel-types, who would normally fall to a super effective Hidden Power Fire. Sleep Powder gives Exeggutor a chance to set up Sunny Day against slower Pokemon, and can also be used on the last turn of sun to give Exeggutor a chance to set it up again and continue sweeping.</p>

<p>The choice of item is an important one. Life Orb boosts power significantly, and is best when Exeggutor acts as a stand-alone sweeper. However, if Exeggutor's teammates also benefit from Sunny Day, then Heat Rock is an alternative to ensure that even if Exeggutor fails, its teammates can still pick up where it left off.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>A Modest nature is preferred, since Exeggutor does not outspeed any notable Choice Scarf Pokemon with a Timid nature. However, if neutral base 100 Speed Pokemon are a concern, Exeggutor can get the jump on them with a Timid nature. The EVs are simple, and are meant to maximize Exeggutor's offensive capability. If Life Orb is being used, a 29 HP IV reduces the recoil from it by 1 point, giving Exeggutor slightly better longevity after two attacks. Leaf Storm is an option over SolarBeam, but this reduces Exeggutor to more of a hit-and-run type of sweeper, which Lilligant does better thanks to its high Speed. Another option is Explosion, which, while weak, can get a stronger Chlorophyll sweeper out onto the field with no risk.</p>

<p>Pokemon that benefit from Sunny Day make the best teammates for Exeggutor. Other Chlorophyll Pokemon, such as Victreebel and Lilligant, are obvious choices. Fire-type Pokemon also make for good partners, since they greatly appreciate the extra boost in power that Sunny Day provides to their STAB moves. Choice Scarf Pokemon, in particular, work very well. Examples include Victini and Typhlosion, both of which can throw out extremely powerful V-creates and Eruptions, respectively. Fire-type Pokemon also resist U-turn, a move that Exeggutor greatly fears. Rhyperior can set up Stealth Rock and loves having its Water-type weakness reduced by Sunny Day.</p>

[SET]
name: SubSeed
move 1: Leech Seed
move 2: Protect
move 3: Substitute
move 4: Hidden Power Fire / Psychic
item: Sitrus Berry
ability: Harvest
nature: Bold
evs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spe
ivs: 2 Atk / 30 SpA / 30 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>This set makes use of Exeggutor's physical bulk in order to stall out opponents. Harvest can recycle Sitrus Berries, giving Exeggutor the chance to stall out a large number of enemies. Leech Seed is the main form of damage on this set, and supplements Exeggutor's recovery. Substitute blocks status, and the health lost from generating it is usually recovered. Protect helps to stall out opponents, and provides more free recovery from Leech Seed. Hidden Power Fire nails most Grass-types, which are immune to Leech Seed, for respectable damage. Psychic is an option for dealing with faster Pokemon with Substitute, such as Bulk Up Poliwrath.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>The EVs and a Bold nature maximize Exeggutor's physical bulk, allowing it to set up Substitutes more easily. If Hidden Power Fire is not being used, switch to perfect Speed and Special Attack IVs. Exeggutor can use Wish to heal reliably, becoming even more difficult to take down. However, this comes at the cost of a way to deal with Grass-types. Ingrain foils attempts to phase Exeggutor out and supplements Exeggutor's recovery, but it similarly forces the sacrifice of Exeggutor's coverage move. Sleep Powder allows Exeggutor to incapacitate an opponent and then set up Leech Seed or Substitute for free. Toxic is also an option to stack up residual damage.</p>

<p>Toxic Spikes support is heavily recommended, since it makes Exeggutor less reliant on Leech Seed and conserves the PP of Substitute and Protect. Nidoqueen resists U-turn and benefits from having a teammate to take Water-type attacks aimed at her. Pokemon that can deal with Grass-types in general are appreciated; Fire-types such as Arcanine work well. Paralysis support is beneficial since it allows Exeggutor to move first against paralyzed opponents, and if the opponent becomes fully paralyzed, Exeggutor gains a free turn of recovery and a free turn of damage against the opponent. Sunny Day support is also helpful, as it guarantees that Harvest will recycle Sitrus Berry and also boosts the strength of Hidden Power Fire.</p>

[SET]
name: Trick Room
move 1: Trick Room
move 2: Sleep Powder
move 3: Leaf Storm / Grass Knot
move 4: Psyshock / Hidden Power Fire
item: Life Orb
ability: Harvest
nature: Quiet
evs: 232 HP / 24 Def / 252 SpA
ivs: 0 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>With access to Sleep Powder, Exeggutor is one of the best users of Trick Room available in UU. Exeggutor can come in when a Trick Room set by a teammate is about to expire, use Sleep Powder on the last turn, and then reactivate Trick Room in complete safety. Leaf Storm is Exeggutor's strongest move and goes well with this set, given its hit-and-run nature. Grass Knot does not reduce Exeggutor's Special Attack, but it also does not get KOs as consistently as Leaf Storm. Psyshock helps Exeggutor beat Chansey through clever use of Sleep Powder; if Chansey switches in on Psyshock and is then put to sleep before she can heal off the damage, she will be forced out, and therefore unable to switch back in without risking being 2HKOed. Hidden Power Fire hits most Steel-types for reasonable damage, but the main target, Escavalier, underspeeds Exeggutor, so Exeggutor loses to it while Trick Room is up anyway.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>A Life Orb boosts Exeggutor's power significantly, allowing it to pose more of a threat while Trick Room is up. A Quiet nature and maximized Special Attack aid Exeggutor in this respect. Since Exeggutor wants to outspeed as many things as possible while Trick Room is up, a 0 Speed IV is ideal. Note that if Exeggutor is using Hidden Power Fire, then a 2 Speed IV must be used instead. 232 HP gives a Life Orb number, and the rest of the EVs are placed in Defense. Although Exeggutor is not abusing the ability to recycle Berries on this set, Harvest is preferred over Chlorophyll so that in the event that the sun is shining, Exeggutor will not outspeed the opponent and move second under Trick Room. Explosion, while weak, is an option to get Exeggutor off the field immediately, allowing a more powerful Trick Room sweeper to get into play unscathed.</p>

<p>Teammates that benefit from Trick Room are essential. Victini can also set up Trick Room and hits very hard with V-create, which effectively makes it faster while Trick Room is up. It can also use Final Gambit to remove a problematic opponent. Cofagrigus and Dusclops are both reliable users of Trick Room, and they resist Bug-type moves, a common weakness for most users of Trick Room. Slow, hard-hitting Pokemon, such as Aggron or Escavalier, take advantage of a teammate's Trick Room well.</p>

[SET]
name: Choice Specs
move 1: Leaf Storm
move 2: Psyshock
move 3: Hidden Power Fire / Shadow Ball
move 4: Sleep Powder
item: Choice Specs
ability: Chlorophyll
nature: Modest / Timid
evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
ivs: 2 Atk / 30 SpA / 30 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>With a pair of Choice Specs equipped, Exeggutor can forgo attempts to patch up its mediocre Speed and instead simply hit hard right off the bat. Leaf Storm is Exeggutor's strongest move, putting a heavy dent in anything that doesn't resist it and is not named Chansey. Psyshock helps to deal with the latter, although entry hazard support is needed in order to have any shot at beating Chansey one-on-one, barring a critical hit. Sleep Powder cripples almost anything that might be able to take one of Exeggutor's attacks, although using it forces Exeggutor out immediately afterward, unless the opponent has Natural Cure for its ability, giving Exeggutor a chance to put something else to sleep if played correctly. Hidden Power Fire deals with Steel-types, which resist both of Exeggutor's STAB moves. Shadow Ball is an alternative for dealing with Xatu, which also resists both STAB moves and can even turn Sleep Powder back on Exeggutor with to Magic Bounce.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>A Modest nature is preferred for the power it provides, but Timid is also an option to outspeed the few other Pokemon near Exeggutor's Speed tier, such as Gorebyss and 0 Spe Roserade. The EVs are straightforward, maximizing Exeggutor's offense and allowing it to outpace most walls. Hidden Power Ice can be used to nail Altaria, but since Leaf Storm still OHKOes Flygon on the switch-in, there isn't much point in using it.</p>

<p>Entry hazard support is vital to this set's success, since hazards and double switching are Exeggutor's best bet for wearing down Chansey. A strong Pursuit user also works, as does a Pokemon with Trick. Trick works especially well in that it allows Exeggutor to 2HKO Chansey with Psyshock, and the stolen Eviolite can later be Tricked onto another opponent, crippling it as well. Porygon-Z can ruin Chansey with Trick, and together with Exeggutor it can bludgeon its way through most specially bulky walls. Pokemon that appreciate having Steel-types weakened love this set. Swellow can spam Brave Bird once Steel-types are removed, and can also sponge U-turns for Exeggutor.</p>

[Other Options]

<p>Exeggutor can use Rest with a Lum Berry and Harvest to constantly keep itself healthy, but there are many threats that can OHKO Exeggutor, so this strategy is difficult to pull off. Giga Drain is an option on any offensive set, since it can heal off damage. Energy Ball is slightly more powerful than Giga Drain, but the recovery Giga Drain provides almost always outweighs the benefit of a little extra damage. If Chansey is not a concern, then Psychic is a better move than Psyshock in most situations. Gravity gives perfect accuracy to Exeggutor's moves, most notably Sleep Powder and Leaf Storm. Stun Spore can be used to paralyze opponents. Exeggutor has access to dual screens, but is generally outclassed in this role by many other Pokemon. Wish can be used to pass off fairly sizable amounts of recovery to teammates, but Exeggutor has a hard time using it for itself. Synthesis provides healing, although it is useless when a weather other than sun is up. Worry Seed suppresses an opponent's ability, but as a result, the opponent becomes immune to Sleep Powder, one of Exeggutor's best moves. A Swords Dance or Curse set with Wood Hammer and Zen Headbutt can be used, but it isn't very effective due to Exeggutor's poor defensive typing and low Special Defense.</p>

[Checks and Counters]

<p>Thanks to Sleep Powder, Exeggutor is difficult to counter before Sleep Clause has been activated. However, any Pokemon with a Bug-type move, especially U-turn, poses an immediate threat to Exeggutor. Scyther is one of the most dangerous examples, since it can pound Exeggutor's team with powerful U-turns if Exeggutor doesn't sacrifice itself to take the hit. Escavalier is Exeggutor's worst nightmare if Exeggutor lacks Hidden Power Fire and has already used Sleep Powder, as its Megahorn is powerful enough to OHKO Exeggutor several times over, and it can also trap and KO a fleeing Exeggutor with Pursuit. Chansey is usually a hard stop. Choice Scarf Fire-type Pokemon with a Base Speed of 90 or higher pose a serious threat to Sunny Day Exeggutor, since they can throw out boosted Fire-type attacks while outspeeding it. Choice Scarf Abomasnow can remove Exeggutor's sunlight and OHKO it with Blizzard, but it must be wary of Hidden Power Fire or Sleep Powder. Weavile can put Exeggutor in a bad situation, since predicting incorrectly about whether Weavile will use Ice Shard or Pursuit can be disastrous. Magic Bounce Xatu completely counters SubSeed Exeggutor and handles most other variants nicely.</p>
 

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[SET]
name: Harvest
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Sleep Powder
move 3: Giga Drain
move 4: Psychic
item: Sitrus Berry
ability: Harvest
nature: Modest
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD

Omg, this set is awesome, and so annoying to beat. Harvest basically means you have unlimited sitrus berries, which is extremely hard to take down with Substitute. Sleep Powder puts stuff to sleep, and Giga Drain + Psychic provide great coverage. I'm not sure about EVs so i put them in HP and SpA. It hits like a truck with max SpA. Celebi resists but you can put it to sleep, or pursuit it or w/e
 
I don't really see what that set accomplishes, because a) Sitrus Berry is not guaranteed to be restored, b) it doesn't really accomplish anything even if it does. That set is easily walled without any form of boosting item, so I really don't see why it should get an analysis.
 

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Try it out, it hits really hard with max Sp Attack and its really hard for the opponent to wear you down, without taking big damage. Plus, if they try uturn spam you can just set up more subs.
 
Why would I use this over Celebi though, who has Calm Mind, 101 HP Subs, better bulk and speed, and Baton Pass? Really, slightly higher Special Attack and Sleep Powder are not selling me on this. At least the Specs set has a far harder hitting Leaf Storm, in addition to Celebi not getting Psyshock.
 
@chanazn: I missed Swords Dance when scouring Eggy's movepool, so I'll add it in on the same sentence mentioning Curse.

@Mooo: ParaChomp is right; that is how Harvest works. Not really worth a mention though, since Drought is banned and it's safe to assume that Sunny Day will likely not be up when using a Subseed set.
 

breh

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Thats not true :\
Mooo's right, it's technically not true.

On PO, Harvest works 100% of the time simply because they don't know what percentage of the time it recovers yet (I don't know how they haven't yet figured this out lol). The percentage may be 50 ingame, but nobdy knows yet.

Anyway, always remember to slash Psychic with Psyshock. It's embarrassing to miss the KO on something because you're hitting its stronger Defense with a weaker attack. You're not getting past Chansey either way, lol (you fail to 3HKO it on average)
 
Bulbapedia said:
When the user uses a held Berry, there is a 50% chance of it being restored at the end of each turn. Harvest remembers the held Berry even if it fails to restore it, or of the Pokémon is switched out. Harvest will always activate in intense sunlight.

If a Pokémon meets the conditions to eat a Berry after Harvest regenerates it, it will immediately consume it, but the Berry will be lost forever.
Bulbapedia's article on Harvest

Just tried it in-game and it works as it should (4 times in a row is not a coincidence)...my Exeggcute then fainted to the wild Patrat's Bite.
 

breh

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4 times in a row (I'm not sure what you mean by this) is far from a good testing range.

for example, if I flip a coin 4 times in a row, it is unlikely for me to get heads all 4 times. If I get 4 heads, I cannot conclude that every coin flip will be heads. however, if I flip a coin some large number of times (say, 1000) and get heads all of those times, I can conclude that I will always get heads (and that the coin is rigged, but that's beside the point).

This seems to disagree with you, btw.

EDIT: I realize it works 100% in the sun; I'm talking about the no-sun percentage.
 
Exeggutor should have to run sleep power with harvest/ sitrus berry on the subseed set, or else or is completely outclassed by celebi. Even then I would have a hard time justifying exeggutor as a subseeder, so idk if it's even worth it.
 

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for the checks and counters section, why does it mention scyther using u-turn, with its x4 rocks weakness, psychter can only attempt to sweep normally
 
Why would I use this over Celebi though, who has Calm Mind, 101 HP Subs, better bulk and speed, and Baton Pass? Really, slightly higher Special Attack and Sleep Powder are not selling me on this. At least the Specs set has a far harder hitting Leaf Storm, in addition to Celebi not getting Psyshock.
Utilizing Exeggutor to subseed is wasted potential, if you ask me.

I'm kinda disappointed in the lack of interest in Exeggutor this gen... Harvest has so many possibilities that it borders on ridiculous, and no one seems to grasp how great it could be with some imagination... I have 3 sets that abuse Harvest in different ways that haven't been mentioned here, so much so that I'm not even sure if I want to reveal them yet (even after I do the appropriate testing to make sure they work)

So c'mon guys, let's think outside the box a bit, eh?
 

breh

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for the sake of it being known:

there are very few things you can do with berries. namely:

natural gift (which is utilising lackluster base 95 attack)
Lumrest (which is kind of meh since a lot can outright OHKO exeggutor)
Leppa (infinite stall BP recipient; outclassed by tropius though (tropius has no t-spikes weakness))
Sitrus (useless in comparison to leftovers)
Resist berries (lessen a type's effectiveness but rather akward; exeggutor already has many weaknesses anyway; even things like staraptor that you could lessen the blow of with coba KO you with u-turn; I hope that I don't need to say that Tanga is useless.)
Starf (retarded version of Moody but is heavily disabling in nature)

I can see the last two and lumrest being interesting but the others are rather meh.
 
for the sake of it being known:

there are very few things you can do with berries. namely:

natural gift (which is utilising lackluster base 95 attack)
Lumrest (which is kind of meh since a lot can outright OHKO exeggutor)
Leppa (infinite stall BP recipient; outclassed by tropius though (tropius has no t-spikes weakness))
Sitrus (useless in comparison to leftovers)
Resist berries (lessen a type's effectiveness but rather akward; exeggutor already has many weaknesses anyway; even things like staraptor that you could lessen the blow of with coba KO you with u-turn; I hope that I don't need to say that Tanga is useless.)
Starf (retarded version of Moody but is heavily disabling in nature)

I can see the last two and lumrest being interesting but the others are rather meh.
Resist berry sets are lol. But you're underestimating the potential of the Natural Gift + Harvest combo.... It turns Exeggutor into the perfect lure, seeing as you can also run Hidden Power; Exeggutor could theoretically beat its own counters without having to worry about not covering something else by having to choose one HP type over another, opening holes in the process. The trade-off of course is that you have to run a mixed set, and you 'lose' your item slot (but it's mitigated by the fact that you get essentially unlimited ammo, so to speak, with Natural Gift). And need I remind you that Tyranitar also has 'only' base 95 SpA... You don't see anyone denying the usefulness of Boah, do you?

As far as Lumresting, I think there may be something there, as Exeggutor's resistences are quite numerous, and 95/85/65 are not bad defenses. The problem here of course is that Fire, Dark, and Bug attacks in particular nuke it badly, so it must be supported properly.

And there's something else you missed, which I want to play around with a lot more before I start making statements :P ... although I must admit I did not think of Starf abuse. Collaboration is useful :D
 

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You're forgetting what makes TTar hit hard-- an awesome special movepool and really awesome base power on its attacks. Base power of moves is very important-- Tyranitar's Ice Beam (95 stat, 95 base power) is slightly more powerful than Chandelure's Hidden Power Ice (145 stat, 70 base power)!

That said, 95 attack using a 70 power base move (natural gift) is pretty pathetic, especially with split EVs.

I think what's being underestimated is Exeggcutor's bulk. 95 / 85 / 65 is pretty comparable to something like Machamp, which was an awesome anti-lead in 4th gen because little could OHKO it. Yeah eggy has lots of weaknesses, but it has lots of useful resistances too, and when you have a 125 sp.A stat even acceptable defensive stats can let you wreak havoc.

In any case, sorry I came up with some stuf:

-Lum/Rest should get mentioned somewhere
-The T/R set should probably not use Harvest if it's using Life Orb (maybe lum instead...)
-Perhaps write a DW section about "harvest will be sweet when more berries are released" like pinch berries.
 

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