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Feraligatr

Discussion in 'Dragonspiral Tower' started by The King of Harts, Sep 19, 2010.

  1. The King of Harts

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    Level Up Attacks:
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    Lv1: Scratch,
    Lv1: Leer
    Lv1: Water Gun
    Lv1: Rage
    Lv6: Water Gun
    Lv8: Rage
    Lv13: Bite
    Lv15: Scary Face
    Lv21: Ice Fang
    Lv24: Flail
    Lv30: Agility
    Lv32: Crunch
    Lv37: Payment Plan (Target's stat changes doesn't affect this move.)
    Lv45: Slash
    Lv50: Screech
    Lv58: Thrash
    Lv63: Aqua Tail
    Lv71: Superpower
    Lv76: Hydro Pump


    TM Compatability:
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    TM01 - Claw Sharpen
    TM02 - Dragon Claw
    TM05 - Roar
    TM06 - Toxic
    TM07 - Hail
    TM10 - Hidden Power
    TM13 - Ice Beam
    TM14 - Blizzard
    TM15 - Hyper Beam
    TM17 - Protect
    TM18 - Rain Dance
    TM21 - Frustration
    TM26 - Earthquake
    TM27 - Return
    TM28 - Dig
    TM31 - Brick Break
    TM32 - Double Team
    TM39 - Rock Tomb
    TM40 - Aerial Ace
    TM42 - Facade
    TM44 - Rest
    TM45 - Attract
    TM48 - Troll
    TM52 - Focus Blast
    TM55 - Boiling Water
    TM56 - Fling
    TM65 - Shadow Claw
    TM68 - Giga Impact
    TM75 - Swords Dance
    TM78 - Ground Leveling
    TM80 - Rock Slide
    TM82 - Dragon Tail
    TM87 - Swagger
    TM90 - Substitute
    TM94 - Rock Smash
    HM01 - Cut
    HM03 - Surf
    HM04 - Strength
    HM05 - Waterfall
    HM06 - Dive


    Egg Moves:
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    Crunch
    Thrash
    Hydro Pump
    AncientPower
    Mud Sport
    Water Sport
    Ice Punch
    Metal Claw
    Dragon Dance
    Aqua Jet
    Fake Tears
    Block
    Water Pulse



    Feraligatr was always over shadowed by big brother Gyarados who can do everything he can, but better. But now in Gen 5, Feraligatr will find his own place in the competitive scene, and it's all thanks to Swimming Goggles and Encourage.

    The Swimming Goggles increase Speed and Accuracy for all Water types. The amount is unknown, but even a 1.2x boost puts him at 336 Speed with a Jolly nature (faster than base +103s). Also, the free speed allows him to run his one advantage over Gyarados: Swords Dance. With 618 Attack, 336 Speed, and good bulk, he'll find a nice role as a clean up sweeper.

    The other --and probably most important-- weapon added to Feraligatr's arsenal is his new Dream World ability Encourage. Encourage negates secondary effects such as flinch and freeze in exchange for a whopping 1.5 boost to their power. So now Waterfall has 180 BP, Ice Punch now has 112 BP, and dozens of other attacks get large boosts as well.

    Swimming Goggles and Encourage don't gurantee he'll surge in usage, but they certainly don't hurt when you loot at his movepool and bulk.

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    Possible Sets:

    Swords Dancer
    Nature: Jolly
    Ability: Encourage
    EVs 4 HP / 252 ATK / 252 SPE
    Item: Swimming Goggles
    -Swords Dance
    -Waterfall
    -Ice Punch
    -Earthquake/Aqua Jet

    Swords Dance takes Feraligatr's Attack to a huge 618. That combined with the power of Swimming Goggles and Encourage, makes Waterfall is a deadly attack. Ice Punch doesn't receive a boost from the goggles, but it does still get the Encourage one, making it useful smacking down the Dragons and Grass types that resist your STAB. Earthquake rounds out the coverage by letting you hit water types (particularly Empoleon) and is just a good all around attack. Aqua Jet is an option for a powerful priority.

    Dragon Dancer
    Nature: Jolly
    Ability: Encourage
    EVs 4 HP / 252 ATK / 252 SPE
    Item: Life Orb
    -Dragon Dance
    -Waterfall
    -Ice Punch
    -Earthquake/Aqua Jet

    What Dragon Dance lacks in initial power is made up in overwhelming Speed. Dragon Dance was always a staple, but Encourage has given it even more star power by boosting his two main forms of attack. With 420 Speed and 463 Attack, he's sure to make some huge dents.

    Speedy Gator
    Nature: Adamant
    Ability: Encourage
    EVs 28 HP / 252 ATK / 232 SPE
    Item: Life Orb
    -Agility
    -Waterfall
    -Ice Punch
    -Earthquake

    Encourage makes Agility a little more appealing now that he doesn't need to boost his offense. With 232 EVs in Speed he can safely out run Scrafed Garchomp and pretty much any other Pokemon. Waterfall, Ice Punch, and Earthquake provide flawless coverage and pack a whollop with the Life Orb. Aqua Jet isn't needed as he's more than likely faster than his opponent and he can handle most priority if healthy.

    Honorable mentions go out to Shadow Claw and Rock Slide.
  2. TEA_DEMON

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    If Encourage boosts the power of moves with no secondary effect, Aqua Tail is superior to Waterfall with Swimming Goggles.

    I also think a Choice Band set with Dragon Tail could work... but I don't quite think Dragon Tail would be worth using in favour of coverage.
  3. Ontop

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    It boosts the power of moves that HAS a secondary effect, but it will ignore the secondary effect, so Waterfall will be stronger but it's not gonna flinch. (IIRC)
  4. Clarion Valenheart

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    But Aqua Tail is stronger than Waterfall. Well, it has the use of Swimming Goggles to its full extent.
  5. Ferdie

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    Feraligatr is very cool pokemon so yeah it's nice too see him getting stronger.

    Aqua Jet will be very important move in this metagame so I guess runnin' SD with AJ, Ice Punch and Rock Slide/Crunch/Earthquake would be pretty good set.

    EDIT. oh I forgot Encourage so Waterfall is kind of must to have. So maybe SD/AJ/Waterfall/Rock Slide which gains Encourage boost too.
  6. BurningMan

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    no its weaker than waterfall since waterfall gets a 1.5x boost and aqua tail gets nothing but better acc.
  7. Clarion Valenheart

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    So, Encourage doesn't affect Aqua Tail?
  8. Ontop

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    No.

    If this guy stays UU he's problably gonna be top-noche there.
  9. AxelLow

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    The swords dance set would be OU worthy with all the damage he would be packing.

    That's kind of weird how encourage only effects moves with secondary effects. Are you sure? otherwise, it could use a whole lot more with encourage.
  10. Azlanslayer

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    What do you mean Weaker? Aqua tail does more DAMAGE than Waterfall >_>. Both of them are water attacks, the only difference is that Waterfall is much more accurate. Where do you get the boost from? Torrent? Aqua Tail gets the boost too =]
  11. doomvendingmachine

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    No the boost is from encourage, encourage's effect is that if a move has a seccondary effect, it trades this secondary effect for a power boost (1.5 boost i think).
  12. AxelLow

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    Ah, ok. Now I understand it. Makes alot more since. Only with a second effect will the boost kick in. Although, swimming goggles might give enough of a boost to make aqual tail viable.

    I like the idea of Rock Slide on his SD set since it'll turn that flinch chance into a very nice boost, hitting harder then stone edge.
  13. Max_LKC

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    ENCOURAGE
    boost the power of a move with secondary effects, waterfall secondary effect is FLINCH while aqua tail has NONE.Thus, waterfall becomes stronger, anyway if it neglects the secondary effect, wouldn't aqua jet(although its a priority move its still count as a secondary effect regardless am I right?) wont enable you to move first with encourage?
  14. Azlanslayer

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    Thanks alot, i'm confused with this new stuff. Like really, now the metagame changes... (ALOT)

    Yeah, understood.
  15. Choice Socks

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    Have you not read this thread?
    To clarify to everyone, Feraligtr's new ability, Encourage, negates the secondary effects of moves and increases there power x1.5.
    Aqua tail has no secondary effect, so its power is not increased.
    Waterfall does have a secondary effect, which is negated (no more flinching) and its base power is increased by x1.5. Making waterfall more accurate and more powerful than Aqua Tail
  16. Azlanslayer

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    Stop this, i have UNDERSTOOD.
  17. The King of Harts

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    I'm sure and he doesn't have a whole lot of options, but he has alright ones. Waterfall and Ice Punch are musts and his only other attacks that benefit from are:
    Shadow Claw- Not so great coverage
    Rock Slide- Very useable, but Ice Punch and Earthquake do the same thing, but better
    Ground Leveling- It's a weaker Earthquake since it won't drop speed
    Crunch- Same as Shadow Claw

    Now, some question mark attacks are Thrash, Brick Break, and Ice Fang. The former two could fall under Encourage's effect, but no one knows for sure. We also don't know if Ice Fang gets a double boost since it can do two things (flinch AND freeze). If they do, both Thrash and Ice Fang will see some usage.

    @Max_LKC
    Priority isn't a secondary effect, it's a primary one. Aqua Jet will still hit first.
  18. Tortipouss

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    What does ground levelling do exactly?
  19. The King of Harts

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    It's Ground attack with 60 BP/100 ACC/20 PP and it has a chance to lower speed.
  20. ginganinja

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    I think that although Feraligatr has got certain new toys Gyarados will still overshadow it. The fact that Gyarados got Earthquake Spiral means that Feraligatr set risks being outclassed. The SD set is probably the reason to use Feraligatr over Gyarados imo.
  21. Örly

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    Provided Encourage ignores second effects of moves, why not use Giga Impact? 150 BP + no recharge turn is pretty awesome.
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    Giga Inpact does not get boosted by Encourage

    (Primary Effect instead of a secondary effect)
  23. DrunkRacoon

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    here's a question: will Encourage remove the priority from Aqua Jet?
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    no, as posted above
  25. Panthera

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    I'm really not seeing the appeal of Earthquake Spiral on Gyarados. Bulky sets needs Intimidate obviously, and DD sets...want Intimidate for the easier set up. It's a set up sweeper; the turn it spends dancing will be when the opponent switches in their best counter to it, so the attack boost is pretty meaningless when it only comes after the only thing that could tank +1 Waterfall is already dealt with. That ability seems useful on Scarf sets, since your opponent has to predict to avoid giving up the boost (and may have to choose between switching out something that won't be able to switch in ever again due to low health and letting you KO it and get the boost), but I doubt Gyarados is going to suddenly become a big Choice Scarf user. I do agree though that as far as Feraligatr goes, SD is going to be the big reason for using it over Gyarados.

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