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LC Ferroseed

Discussion in 'Preliminary Pokedex' started by TCR, Apr 17, 2014.

  1. TCR

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    Taken from Prem with permission
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    Overview
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    Just like last generation, Ferroseed excels at stacking entry hazards and being an altogether reliable wall. It is one of the better entry hazard users in the metagame, only truly competing with Dwebble and sometimes Trubbish. With an excellent typing, it can check common setup sweepers such as Tirtouga. However, its typing can be its downfall, leaving it vulnerable to top threats that will use it as setup fodder, for example Pawniard or Scraggy. Being neutral to Knock Off is not beneficial, as Ferroseed greatly appreciates its Eviolite. Having mediocre offenses does not help either, as anything that resists one of its attacks can set up on it.


    Utility
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    name: Utility
    move 1: Leech Seed
    move 2: Bullet Seed
    move 3: Stealth Rock / Spikes
    move 4: Thunder Wave / Protect / Spikes
    ability: Iron Barbs
    item: Eviolite
    evs: 84 HP / 36 Atk / 188 Def / 148 SpD / 36 Spe
    nature: Careful

    Moves
    =======

    Leech Seed is one of the staple moves on Ferroseed, as it allows Ferroseed to gain small passive recovery, and also happens to be Ferroseed's most viable recovery option. Bullet Seed is the STAB move of choice, and helps break a Substitute that opponents might try to set up on Ferroseed. Being able to beat Tirtouga does not hurt either. Stealth Rock is the preferred entry hazard, only requiring one turn of setup, though Spikes can be used if one feels that they can set them up. Due to Ferroseed's incredible bulk, it has an easy time setting up entry hazards. Thunder Wave is the preferred move in the fourth moveslot, allowing it to check Pokemon that might try and set up on Ferroseed. It also allows Ferroseed to cripple any switch-ins. Protect can also be used in order to scout the opponent's moves, play mind games, and rack up Leech Seed damage.


    Set Details
    =======

    Eviolite is always the preferred item for Ferroseed, giving it massive amounts of bulk. With the current EV spread, Ferroseed gets an overall spread of 22 HP / 18 Def / 18 SpD, which is massive when paired with an Eviolite. Eviolite works extremely well because of Ferroseed's semi-reliable recovery in Leech Seed. Eviolite allows Ferroseed to take more hits overall, even to the point of sponging super effective attacks.

    Usage Tips
    =======

    The safest way to bring in Ferroseed would be against Water-types and most Electric-types. Grass-types can also be safe to switch in to in order to set up Stealth Rock or Spikes. Ferroseed should always try and use Leech Seed in order to stay healthy, and if it runs it, it should use Thunder Wave on obvious switch-ins. Common Pokemon such as Misdreavus can be whittled down if they lack a setup move, as a combination of Leech Seed and Bullet Seed will quickly bring any non-Grass-type down to low health.


    Team Options
    =======

    Spritzee is single-handedly the best partner for Ferroseed. Spritzee helps keep Ferroseed alive with Wish support and can switch in on common Fighting-types and immediately threaten them with Moonblast. If running Thunder Wave, slow Pokemon make great partners with Ferroseed. Honedge is excellent as Thunder Wave mitigates its low Speed problem and can then afford to run Shadow Claw. Pokemon that can take Fire-type attacks make excellent partners with Ferroseed as well. Chinchou is great because it can repeatedly pivot in and out and appreciates Leech Seed recovery. Houndour or Ponyta are excellent as well, as they absorb Fire-type hits and immediately threaten with a strong attack of their own. Fighting-type resists are longed for as well. Misdreavus and Trubbish make great partners, as the former can spinblock for Ferroseed and can be a potential switch-in for Fighting attacks, while the latter resists Fighting and absorbs Knock Offs and can even be a second entry hazard setter on a more stall-based team. Common revenge killers such as Fletchling make great partners, as Ferroseed tends to lure in setup sweepers such as Scraggy. Pawniard is another great partner, as it can deter the opponent from using Defog, thus removing all of Ferroseed's hard work.


    Other Options
    #######

    Iron Head can be used over Bullet Seed for a more reliable check to Fairy-types, but it is generally weak and Bullet Seed is more useful with dealing with Tirtouga or breaking Sturdy users. Seed Bomb can be a more reliable Grass-type STAB, but again, Bullet Seed is more desirable because it breaks Sturdy. Toxic can be used in the last slot as it allows Ferroseed to deal damage passively along with Leech Seed. It is also useful for any switch-ins that use Substitute, allowing Ferroseed to catch them on the switch and dealing heavy damage over time.

    Checks and Counters
    #######

    **Fighting-types**: Mienfoo, Scraggy, and Timburr can all come in with little fear and threaten Ferroseed with their Fighting-type STAB attacks.

    **Fire-types**: Houndour, Ponyta, and Larvesta work in the same way Fighting-types do, having relatively free switch-ins while being able to threaten Ferroseed.

    **Grass-types**: While Grass-types do not actually threaten Ferroseed, Ferroseed also fails to threaten them. Depending on their set, these free turns could be a struggle for both players.

    **Defog and Rapid Spin**: Pokemon such as Drilbur and Vullaby do not actually beat Ferroseed, but remove the entry hazards Ferroseed has put up.

    **Taunt Users**: Pokemon that might run Taunt, such as Mienfoo, can give Ferroseed trouble, as Taunt prevents Ferroseed from setting entry hazards or using Thunder Wave.

    **Pawniard**: Pawniard fears nothing Ferroseed has and can easily use Ferroseed as setup fodder. It does not even fear Thunder Wave that much due to Sucker Punch.

    **Scraggy**: Scraggy can switch in and set up, often not fearing Thunder Wave due to Shed Skin. Scraggy can immediately threaten with Drain Punch or can Knock Off as well.

    **Misdreavus**: Misdreavus can set up on Ferroseed, only fearing Thunder Wave. Substitute Misdreavus almost always beats Ferroseed.
    Last edited: Apr 17, 2014
  2. Rowan

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  3. kingmidas

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    whatever cork just said probably what I just did with you tcr, try to do some of what I said even though no QC.
    Ps: why do I always have to post under cork all the time now.
  4. TCR

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    Ready for GP check I think!
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    thank you so much LOL
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    Overview
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    Just like last generation, Ferroseed excels at stacking entry hazards, (RC) and being an altogether reliable wall. It is one of the better hazard users in the metagame, only truly competing with Dwebble and sometimes Trubbish. With excellent typing, it can check common setup sweepers such as Tirtouga. Its Grass / Steel typing leaves it immune to Poison, and taking it takes little damage from common Water and Electric attacks. However, although it does have excellent typing, it its typing can be its downfall, leaving it vulnerable to top threats that will use it as setup fodder like Pawniard or Scraggy. Threats such as Pawniard or Scraggy will use it to set up. Being neutral to Knock Off is not beneficial, as Ferroseed greatly appreciates its Eviolite. Having mediocre offenses does not help either, as anything that resists one of its attacks can set up on it.


    SET NAME
    #######
    name: Utility
    move 1: Leech Seed
    move 2: Bullet Seed
    move 3: Stealth Rock / Spikes
    move 4: Thunder Wave / Protect / Spikes
    Ability: Iron Barbs
    Item: Eviolite
    Evs: 84 HP / 36 Atk / 188 Def / 148 SpD / 36 Spe
    nature: Careful

    Moves
    =======

    Leech Seed is one of the staple moves on Ferroseed, as it allows Ferroseed to gain small passive recovery, and also happens to be Ferroseed's Make sure all your apostrophes are straight and not curledonly viable recovery option. Bullet Seed is the STAB of choice, and helps break Substitutes that opponents might try and set up on Ferroseed. Being able to beat Tirtouga does not hurt either. Stealth Rock is the preferred entry hazard, being a one-time set up, though Spikes can be used if one feels that they can set them up. Due to Ferroseed’s incredible bulk, it has an easy time setting up hazards. Thunder Wave is the preferred move in the 4th moveslot, allowing it to check Pokemon that might try and set up on Ferroseed. It also allows Ferroseed to cripple any switch-ins. Protect can also be used in order to scout the opponent's moves, play mind games with an opponent, and rack up Leech Seed damage.


    Set Details
    =======

    Eviolite is always the preferred item for Ferroseed, giving it massive bulk. With the current EV spread, Ferroseed gets an overall bulk of 22 HP / 18 Def / 18 SpD, which is massive when paired with an Eviolite. Eviolite works extremely well because of Ferroseed’s semi-reliable recovery in Leech Seed. Eviolite allows Ferroseed to absorb more hits overall, even to the point of absorbing super effective attacks.

    Usage Tips
    =======

    The safest way to bring in Ferroseed would be on Water-types and most Electric-types. Grass-types can also be safe to switch in to, (RC) in order to set up Stealth Rock or Spikes. Ferroseed should always try and abuse Leech Seed in order to stay healthy, and if it runs it, it should use Thunder Wave on obvious switch-ins. Common Pokemon such as Misdreavus can be whittled down if they lack a setup move, as a combination of Leech Seed and Bullet Seed will quickly bring any non-Grass-type down to low health.


    Team Options
    =======

    Spritzee is single-handedly the best partner for Ferroseed. Spritzee helps keep Ferroseed alive with Wish support, (RC) while Spritzee and can also switch in on common Fighting-types and immediately threaten them with Moonblast. If running Thunder Wave, slow Pokemon make great partners with Ferroseed. Honedge is excellent as Thunder Wave mitigates its Speed problem it can abuse slow peeds of pokemon to hit hard with an Iron Head, (RC) and can then afford to run Shadow Claw. Pokemon that can take Fire typed attacks make excellent partners with Ferroseed as well. Chinchou is great because it can repeatedly pivot in and out of fire typed attacks, and appreciates Leech Seed recovery. Houndour or Ponyta are excellent as well, as they absorb Fire hits and immediately threaten with a strong attack of their own. Fighting-type resistances resists are longed for as well. Pokemon like Misdreavus or Trubbish make great partners, as the former can spinblock for Ferroseed and can be a potential switch-in for Fighting attacks, while the ladder resists Fighting and Knock Off, (RC) and can even be a second entry hazard setter on a more stall-based team. Common revenge killers such as Fletchling make great partners, as Ferroseed tends to lure in setup Sweepers such as Scraggy. Pawniard is another great partner, as it can deter the opponent from using Defogging, thus removing all of Ferroseed’s hard work.


    Other Options
    #######

    Iron Head can be used over Bullet Seed for a more reliable check to Fairy-types, but it is generally weak and Bullet Seed is more useful with dealing with Tirtouga, (RC) or breaking Sturdy users. Seed Bomb can be a more reliable Grass-typed STAB, but again, Bullet Seed is more desirable because it breaks Sturdy. Toxic can be used in the last slot as it allows Ferroseed to deal damage passively along with Leech Seed. It is also useful for any switch-ins that use Substitute, allowing Ferroseed to catch them on the switch and dealing heavy damage over time.

    Checks and Counters
    #######
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    **Fighting-types** :Mienfoo, Scraggy, and Timburr all can come in with little fear and threaten Ferroseed with their Fighting-typed STAB attacks.

    **Fire-types**: Houndour, Ponyta, and Larvesta work in the same way Fighting-types do, having relatively free switch-ins while being able to threaten Ferroseed.

    **Grass-types**: While Grass-types do not actually threaten Ferroseed, Ferroseed also fails to threaten them. Depending on the set, these free turns could be a struggle for both players.

    **Defog and Rapid Spin**: Pokemon such as Drilbur and Vullaby do not actually beat Ferroseed, but removes the entry hazards Ferroseed has struggled to put up.

    **Taunt Users**: Pokemon that might run Taunt, such as Mienfoo, can give Ferroseed trouble.

    **Pawniard**: Pawniard fears nothing Ferroseed has, (RC) and can easily use Ferroseed as setup fodder bait. It does not even fear Thunder Wave that much due to Sucker Punch

    **Misdreavus**: Misdreavus's massive bulk allows it to set up on Ferroseed almost for free, only fearing Thunder Wave. (period)
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    Last edited: Apr 17, 2014
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    Overview
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    Just like last generation, Ferroseed excels at stacking entry hazards and being an altogether reliable wall. It is one of the better entry hazard users in the metagame, only truly competing with Dwebble and sometimes Trubbish. With an excellent typing with an immunity to Poison and resistances to Water- and Electric-type attacks, it can check many common setup sweepers,(AC) such as Tirtouga. Its Grass / Steel typing leaves it immune to Poison, and it takes little damage from common Water and Electric attacks. However, its typing(AddSpace)can be its downfall, leaving it vulnerable to top threats that will use it as setup fodder, for example like Pawniard or Scraggy. Being neutral to Knock Off is not beneficial, as Ferroseed greatly appreciates its Eviolite. Having mediocre offenses does not help either, as anything that resists one of its attacks can set up on it.


    SET NAME Utility
    #######
    name: Utility
    move 1: Leech Seed
    move 2: Bullet Seed
    move 3: Stealth Rock / Spikes
    move 4: Thunder Wave / Protect / Spikes
    ability: Iron Barbs
    item: Eviolite
    evs: 84 HP / 36 Atk / 188 Def / 148 SpD / 36 Spe
    nature: Careful

    Moves
    =======

    Leech Seed is one of the staple moves on Ferroseed, as it allows Ferroseed to gain small passive recovery, and also happens to be Ferroseed's most viable recovery option. Bullet Seed is the STAB move of choice, and helps break a Substitutes that opponents might try and to set up on Ferroseed. Being able to beat Tirtouga does not hurt either. Stealth Rock is the preferred entry hazard, being a one-time set up only requiring one turn of setup, though Spikes can be used if one feels that they can set them up. Due to Ferroseed's incredible bulk, it has an easy time setting up entry hazards. Thunder Wave is the preferred move in the 4th fourth moveslot, allowing it to check Pokemon that might try and set up on Ferroseed. It also allows Ferroseed to cripple any switch-ins. Protect can also be used in order to scout the opponent's moves, play mind games, and rack up Leech Seed damage.


    Set Details
    =======

    Eviolite is always the preferred item for Ferroseed, giving it massive amounts of bulk. With the current EV spread, Ferroseed gets an overall bulk spread of 22 HP / 18 Def / 18 SpD, which is massive when paired with an Eviolite. Eviolite works extremely well because of Ferroseed's semi-reliable recovery in Leech Seed. Eviolite allows Ferroseed to absorb take more hits overall, even to the point of absorbing sponging super effective attacks.

    Usage Tips
    =======

    The safest way to bring in Ferroseed would be on against Water-types and most Electric-types. Grass-types can also be safe to switch in to in order to set up Stealth Rock or Spikes. Ferroseed should always try and use Leech Seed in order to stay healthy, and if it runs it, it should use Thunder Wave on obvious switch-ins. Common Pokemon such as Misdreavus can be whittled down if they lack a setup move, as a combination of Leech Seed and Bullet Seed will quickly bring any non-Grass-type down to low health.


    Team Options
    =======

    Spritzee is single-handedly the best partner for Ferroseed. Spritzee helps keep Ferroseed alive with Wish support and can switch in on common Fighting-types and immediately threaten them with Moonblast. If running Thunder Wave, slow Pokemon make great partners with Ferroseed. Honedge is excellent as Thunder Wave mitigates its low Speed problem and can then afford to run Shadow Claw. Pokemon that can take Fire-type attacks make excellent partners with Ferroseed as well. Chinchou is great because it can repeatedly pivot in and out and appreciates Leech Seed recovery. Houndour or and Ponyta are excellent as well, as they absorb Fire-type hits and immediately threaten with a strong attack of their own. Fighting-type resistsances are longed for as well. Misdreavus or and Trubbish make great partners, as the former can spinblock for Ferroseed and can be a potential switch-in for Fighting attacks, while the lattdder resists Fighting and Knock Off and can even be a second entry hazard setter on a more stall-based team. Common revenge killers such as Fletchling make great partners, as Ferroseed tends to lure in setup sweepers such as Scraggy. Pawniard is another great partner, as it can deter the opponent from using Defog, thus removing all of Ferroseed's hard work.


    Other Options
    #######

    Iron Head can be used over Bullet Seed for a more reliable check to Fairy-types, but it is generally weak and Bullet Seed is more useful with dealing with Tirtouga or breaking Sturdy users. Seed Bomb can be a more reliable Grass-type STAB, but again, Bullet Seed is more desirable because it breaks Sturdy. Toxic can be used in the last slot as it allows Ferroseed to deal damage passively along with Leech Seed. It is also useful for any switch-ins that use Substitute, allowing Ferroseed to catch them on the switch and dealing heavy damage over time.

    Checks and Counters
    #######

    **Fighting-types**(noSpace):(AddSpace)Mienfoo, Scraggy, and Timburr all can all come in with little fear and threaten Ferroseed with their Fighting-type STAB attacks.

    **Fire-types**: Houndour, Ponyta, and Larvesta work in the same way Fighting-types do, having relatively free switch-ins while being able to threaten Ferroseed.

    **Grass-types**: While Grass-types do not actually threaten Ferroseed, Ferroseed also fails to threaten them. Depending on their set,(addSpace)these free turns could be a struggle for both players.

    **Defog and Rapid Spin**: Pokemon such as Drilbur and Vullaby do not actually beat Ferroseed, but remove the entry hazards Ferroseed has put up.

    **Taunt Users**: Pokemon that might run Taunt, such as Mienfoo, can give Ferroseed trouble, as Taunt prevents Ferroseed from setting entry hazards or using Thunder Wave.

    **Pawniard**: Pawniard fears nothing Ferroseed has and can easily use Ferroseed as setup fodder. It does not even fear Thunder Wave that much due to Sucker Punch.

    **Scraggy**: Scraggy can switch in and set up, often not fearing Thunder Wave due to Shed Skin. Scraggy can immediately threaten with Drain Punch or can Knock Off as well.

    **Misdreavus**: Misdreavus can 's massive bulk allows it to set up on Ferroseed almost for free, only fearing Thunder Wave. Substitute Misdreavus almost always beats Ferroseed.


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  8. TCR

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    GP checks are both implemented in the order they were posted. Ferroseed is done! :)

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