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RU Ferroseed

Discussion in 'Preliminary Pokedex' started by The Shellder Smuggler, Jul 2, 2014.

  1. The Shellder Smuggler

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    Overview
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    Ferroseed is a very underrated Pokemon in RU. It has great defensive stats, the ability to use Eviolite, as well as a great defensive typing leaving it weak to only Fire- and Fighting-type moves, making it an ideal wall. Ferroseed is also complemented with a wide range of support moves, most notably Spikes, which isn't as common as Stealth Rock in RU and provides great utility. Ferroseed also serves as a good counter to threats in the tier such as Sharpedo,(AC) and can cripple other threats such as Yanmega with Thunder Wave. However, Ferroseed does have some glaring flaws. It is very weak to Knock Off, as without Eviolite, it loses most of its walling capability. It is also no longer resistant to Ghost- and Dark-type moves. Ferroseed is also very slow, meaning that it will usually move last during battle. Furthermore, Ferroseed is also shut down by Taunt, as its whole niche is to support the team. However, Ferroseed is a great Pokemon on any team if used correctly.

    Supporting Seed
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    name: Supporting Seed
    move 1: Spikes / Stealth Rock
    move 2: Leech Seed
    move 3: Protect / Thunder Wave
    move 4: Seed Bomb / Gyro Ball
    ability: Iron Barbs
    item: Eviolite
    evs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
    nature: Impish / Relaxed

    Moves
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    This is Ferroseed's most viable set. Spikes is the main move of the set, and provides chip damage every time a grounded Pokemon switches in. Stealth Rock can also fit the role of the preferred entry hazard, but Spikes is generally better as it is less common in the tier and there are other Stealth Rock setters such as Bronzong and Registeel. Leech Seed gradually wears down the opponent and is Ferroseed's only form of recovery. Protect can work well with Leech Seed in draining the opponent's health, but Thunder Wave can be used as an alternative to cripple faster threats such as Zangoose and Sceptile. Seed Bomb is to stop Ferroseed from being Taunt bait, and hits Kabutops and Rhyperior reasonably hard, while Gyro Ball can be used to hit Slurpuff.

    Set Details
    ========

    252 HP EVs maxes out Ferroseed's HP, letting it take hits much better. 252 Defense EVs with an Impish nature maximize Ferroseed's Defense, letting it take hits from Pokemon such as Rhyperior and Escavalier. However, a Relaxed nature should be used to maximize damage if it's using Gyro Ball. A specially defensive spread can also work to counter special Water-, Grass-, and Electric-type Pokemon better, but most of these Pokemon will pack coverage for Ferroseed, and the physically defensive spread is better for Escavalier and Sharpedo. An Eviolite is an absolute must, as it gives Ferroseed a notable boost to its defenses, which are its claim to fame in the tier. Lastly, Iron Barbs is the preferred ability for Ferroseed as it wears down the foe for every physical hit taken, and works well when used with Leech Seed.

    Usage Tips
    ========

    The most important thing to remember when using this set is to not stay in on Knock Off, as it gets rid of Eviolite, and to not stay in on Taunt, as it stops Ferroseed from using its support moves, which is one of the most important reasons to ever use Ferroseed. Ferroseed can also force some switches on Pokemon such as Sharpedo and Doublade lacking Sacred Sword, so predicting what will switch in correctly can provide a free turn of setting up Spikes or landing Thunder Wave on whatever switches in. Protect can also be used to scout out moves on unusual switch-ins, and can be used for a free turn of recovery if Leech Seed is up. Lastly, be careful when using Thunder Wave and Gyro Ball on the same set, as it can be counterproductive at times.

    Team Options
    ========

    Aromatisse and Alomomola can be good partners as they can pass Wishes, and Ferroseed doesn't have any other means of recovery outside of Leech Seed. Alomomola can form a defensive core with Ferroseed, as Ferroseed can take super effective Grass-type and Electric-type moves for it, and in return, Alomomola can take super effective Fire-type moves for Ferroseed. Slowking also can form a defensive core and resists Fighting-type attacks as well, at the cost of not being able to take Knock Off well either. Jellicent can also form a defensive core with Ferroseed and has higher overall special bulk than Slowking and Alomomola, as well as the ability to spinblock. Doublade can also work as a spinblocker, but shares the same Fire-type weakness as Ferroseed which stops Doublade from forming a good defensive core with Ferroseed as well as Jellicent. Slower sweepers such as Gallade, Hitmonlee, and Moltres that can take advantage of Ferroseed's paralysis support make great partners. Moltres in particular is a good partner, as it not only takes advantage of the paralysis support, but also resists Ferroseed's weaknesses.

    Other Options
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    Ferroseed really doesn't have any other options. Toxic can also be used to slowly wear down the opponent in conjunction with Leech Seed and Protect, but Ferroseed doesn't have a moveslot anywhere on its set to fit it. Bullet Seed can also be used over Seed Bomb and Gyro Ball to deal more damage occasionally, but it can sometimes be unreliable. Lastly, a Mental Herb can be used to stop Ferroseed from being complete Taunt bait, but giving up the added bulk is not recommended, and it only works once.

    Checks & Counters
    ########

    **Drapion**: Drapion can use Taunt on Ferroseed, and can easily set up on it with Swords Dance as it resists Seed Bomb and isn't very threatened by Gyro Ball. Drapion also can use Knock Off, which gets rid of Ferroseed's Eviolite.

    **Taunt** If Ferroseed is Taunted, it loses a great deal of potential utility. Pokemon such as Qwilfish can also easily Taunt Ferroseed and set up Spikes on it.
    **Knock Off** If Ferroseed is hit with Knock Off, it loses its Eviolite, which is one of the only reasons Ferroseed is worth using.

    **Virizion** Virizion usually will have a Lum Berry to shake off paralysis, is immune to Leech Seed, and can hit hard with its Fighting-type STAB moves.

    **Fire-types** Fire-types such as Delphox and Moltres easily outspeed and OHKO Ferroseed, making them great counters. However, they should be wary about taking a Thunder Wave if they try to switch in.

    **Fighting-types** Fighting-types such as Emboar and Gallade hit Ferroseed hard to the point of which it can't recover with Leech Seed. However, they should be aware that they can be crippled by Thunder Wave.
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    Mention Spikes in the overview, there are a ton of things that can use SR, so spikes is its main selling point.

    Supporting Seed
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    name: Supporting Seed
    move 1: Spikes / Stealth Rock
    move 2: Leech Seed
    move 3: Protect / Thunder Wave
    move 4: Seed Bomb / Gyro Ball
    ability: Iron Barbs
    item: Eviolite
    evs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
    nature: Impish / Relaxed

    I've talked to some QC people, and we all agree that the set should look like this.

    Seed Bomb hits Rhyperior / Kabutops, gyro ball hits most things harder, especially with Relaxed nature. An offensive move is actually pretty nice on Ferroseed, because it does tend to attract Taunt, and it is capable of damaging a lot of frail threats on offensive teams.

    In team options, talk about Jellicent's high Special Bulk and resistance to Fire, all spinblockers are immune to fighting. Doublade makes an okay partner despite meh synergy, due to being the best spin blocker in the tier, and also being a set up sweeper which appreciates spikes.

    do this and tag me when you are done, and I will recheck
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    Why do you have cresselia listed as a team member for wish passing? :P I'm guessing you meant alomomola
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    atomicllamas I implemented the set and could use some QC input
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    Small nitpick but shouldn't this be something like: No longer resists Ghost and Dark moves. Ferroseed isn't weak to Dark and Ghost.
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    Oops, brainfart. Thanks.
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    Overview

    SPIKES, SPIKES ARE THE ONLY REASON TO USE THIS

    Moves

    Change Aromatisse to Slurpuff, Aromatisse has very low speed, so gyro ball doesn't hit it that hard
    Make Spikes sound more appealing than stealth rock, again there are like 9 billion pokemon with rocks, spikes are one of the main draws to Ferroseed

    Team options

    Cresselia doesn't get wish, Alomomola and Aromatisse both have good synergy and can pass wish though, talk about them
    Remove Dual Screens, Ferroseed just wastes turns that a sweeper could be using to set up behind screens

    Do these and QC approved 1/3
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    Thanks, implemented.
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    Be sure to mention that using Gyro Ball+Thunder Wave can be a bit counterproductive at times because of the speed drop it induces, thus reducing the power of Gyro Ball.

    I'd definitely emphasize spikes over stealth rock in the writeup, in my experience Ferroseed is used significantly better with the move, Spikes access is sort of limited in RU, while Stealth Rock is incredibly common and has a ton of Pokemon that can effectively use it. Access to Spikes is what seperates Ferroseed from Registeel and Bronzong (who outside of some resistances generally do the "stealth rock only job" better. I don't think i'd ever personally use Stealth Rock only Ferroseed unless i absolutely had to and Registeel and Bronzong just wouldn't fit (unlikely).

    otherwise, llamas got p. much everything i can think of

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    Sweet, I'll write this up soon.
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    Wrote this up earlier, this is ready for the last check.
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    [Overview]

    - I would just say Spikes isn't widely distributed in RU. It's common enough, but not a ton of Pokemon get it, unlike Stealth Rock
    - Just say it's slower than Escavalier and leave it at that.

    [Supporting Seed]

    - Again, rephrase to say Spikes isn't widely distributed in RU whereas Stealth Rock is
    - Remove the Iron Barbs bit. That is Ferroseed's only ability. If anything, just state how Iron Barbs goes better with the PhysDef spread since it wears down the physical attackers you're probably coming in on.
    - Make mention of a SpDef spread in Set Details. Grass-, Electric-, and Water-type resistances, and they fall primarily on the special side. Do note that most of these Pokemon have coverage for Ferroseed, however.
    - Note that Slowking also resists Fighting-type moves at the expense of not being able to take Knock Off for Ferroseed, like Alomomola can
    - Slower sweepers that can take advantage of paralysis support are good mentions. Gallade, Moltres, and Hitmonlee are key. Moltres shares great defensive synergy with Ferroseed as well, and can decimate teams that have had their faster Pokemon crippled with paralysis.

    [Other Options]

    - Get rid of the SpDef set mention as that should be in Set Details

    [Checks and Counters]

    - Drapion needs a huge mention here. It resists Seed Bomb, and commonly wields both Taunt and Knock Off. It can also use Ferroseed as setup fodder if it runs Taunt + SD
    - Mention that most Fire- and Fighting-types dislike paralysis, making them a bit shaky against Ferroseed variants that use the move
    - I'd replace Hitmonlee with Gallade or Cobalion considering Protect makes Lee very shaky against Ferroseed.
    - Virizion needs a special mention as it only fears Gyro Ball and has Lum Berry to shake off paralysis as it sets up SD. It's even immune to Leech Seed
    - Qwilfish commonly runs Taunt and can use Ferroseed as Spikes fodder. Can't do much back directly though

    Implement all of this, and I'll come back for a 2nd look to make sure everything checks out.
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    I did all this, please look at it again :)
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    I really feel that a mention of anticipation should be in oo as it can find random hp fires which seed does not like and sniff out zoroarks (I think thats how the mechanics go). I find that very useful although Iron Barbs is superior.
    Edit: How does that work that thorn has an ha but seed doesnt e.e
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    Just a couple of nitpicks from here:
    • Make note that the defensive synergy with Moltres works both ways (Ferro resists all of Water-, Electric- and Rock-type moves for Tres)
    • c&c order should be Drap > Taunt > Knock Off > Virizion > Fires > Fighters. You generally want to list them in order of most effective / least shaky > least effective / most shaky

    Fix those things up, and consider this

    QC Approved 3/3
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    No, I really disagree with this. The passive damage from iron barbs is much more useful than scouting for a possible hp fire for coverage move to hit ferro. Maybe it would be helpful for Zoroark, but that's pretty situational.
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    Awesome, GP time.
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    Overview
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    Ferroseed is a very underrated Pokemon in RU. It has great defensive stats, as well as the ability to use the Eviolite, as well as a great defensive typing leaving it weak to only Fire- and Fighting-type moves, making it the ideal wall. Ferroseed also is complimented with a wide range of support moves, most notably the move Spikes, which isn't as common as Stealth Rock in RU and provides great utility. Ferroseed also serves as a good counter to threats in the tier such as Sharpedo and can cripple other threats such as Yanmega with Thunder Wave. However, Ferroseed also does have some glaring flaws. It is very weak to Knock Off, as without Eviolite, it loses most of its walling capability. It also no longer is resistant to Ghost- and Dark-type moves. Ferroseed isIt also extremely slow, being evenis very slower . Furthan Escavalier.more, Ferroseed is also terrified by Taunt, as its whole niches relies on support. However, Ferroseed is a great Pokemon on any team if used correctly.

    Supporting Seed
    ########
    name: Supporting Seed
    move 1: Spikes / Stealth Rock
    move 2: Leech Seed
    move 3: Protect / Thunder Wave
    move 4: Seed Bomb / Gyro Ball
    ability: Iron Barbs
    item: Eviolite
    evs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
    nature: Impish / Relaxed

    Moves
    ========

    This is Ferroseed's most viable set. Spikes is the main move of the set, and ist provides the utility of causing fixed damage every time a non-levitatinggrounded user switches in. Stealth Rock can also fit the role of the preferred entry hazard, but Spikes is generally better as it is less common in the tier and there are other Stealth Rock setters such as Bronzong and Registeel. Leech Seed gradually wears down the opponent and is Ferroseed's only form of recovery. Protect can work well with Leech Seed in draining down the opponent's health, but Thunder Wave can be used as an alternative to cripple faster threats such as Zangoose and Sceptile. Seed Bomb is to stop Ferroseed from being Taunt bait, and hits Kabutops and Rhyperior reasonably hard, while Gyro Ball can be used to hit Slurpuff.

    Set Details
    ========

    252 HP EVs max out Ferroseed's HP, letting it take hits much better. 252 Defense EVs with an Impish nature maximize Ferroseed's Defense, letting it take hits from Pokemon such as Rhyperior and Escavalier. However, a Relaxed nature should be used to maximize damage if you're using Gyro Ball. A specially defensive spread can also work to counter Pokemon such as special Water-, Grass-, and Electric-type Pokemon better, but most of these Pokemon will pack coverage for Ferroseed, and the physically defensive spread is better for Escavalier and Sharpedo. An Eviolite is an absolute must as it gives Ferroseed a notable boost to its defenses, which is its claim to fame in the tier. Lastly, Iron Barbs is the preferred ability for Ferroseed as it wears down the foe for every physical hit taken, and works well in combinationwhen used with Leech Seed.

    Usage Tips
    ========

    The most important rules about this set needs is to not stay in on Knock Off as it gets rid of Eviolite, and to not stay in on Taunt, as it stops Ferroseed from using its support moves, which is one of the most important reasons to ever be usinge Ferroseed.

    Ferroseed can also force some switches on Pokemon such as Sharpedo and non-Sacred Sword Doublade, so predicting correctly to what will switch in can provide a free turn of setting up Spikes or landing Thunder Wave on whatever switches in. Protect can also be used to scout out moves for unusual switch -ins, or can be used for a free turn of recovery if Leech Seed is up. Lastly, be careful when using Thunder Wave and Gyro Ball on the same set, as it can be counterproductive at times.

    Team Options
    ========

    Aromatisse and Alomomola can be good partners as they can pass Wish, and Ferroseed doesn't have any other means of recovery outside of Leech Seed. Alomomola can form a defensive core with Ferroseed as it can take super effective Grass-type and Electric-type moves for ithem and in return they, Alomomola can take super effective Fire-type moves for Ferroseed. Slowking also can form a defensive core and resists Fighting-type attacks as well, at the cost of not being able to take Knock Off well. Jellicent can also form a defensive core with Ferroseed and has higher overall special bulk than Slowking and Alomomola, as well as the ability to spin block. Doublade can also work as a spin blocker, but shares the same Fire-type weakness as Ferroseed which stops Doublade from forming a good defensive core with Ferroseed as well as Jellicent does. Slower sweepers such as Gallade, Hitmonlee, and Moltres can take advantage of Ferroseed's paralysis support make great partners. Moltres especially, in particular, is a good partner as it not only takes advantage of the paralysis support, but also resists Ferroseed's weaknesses.

    Other Options
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    Ferroseed really doesn't have any other options. Toxic can also be used to slowly wear down the opponent with Leech Seed and Protect, but Ferroseed doesn't have the slot anywhere on its set to fit it. Bullet Seed can also be used over Seed Bomb and Gyro Ball to dueal more damage occasionally, but it can sometimes be unreliable. Lastly, a Mental Herb can be used to stop Ferroseed from being complete Taunt bait, but giving up on the added bulk is bad and it only works once.

    Checks & Counters
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    **Drapion** Drapion can use Taunt on Ferroseed, and can easily set up on it with Swords Dance as it resists Seed Bomb and isn't very threatened by Gyro Ball. Drapion also can use Knock Off, which gets rid of Ferroseed's Eviolite.

    **Taunt** If Ferroseed is hit with Taunt, it loses a great deal of potential utility. Pokemon such as Qwilfish can also easily Taunt Ferroseed and set up Spikes on it.

    **Knock Off** If Ferroseed is hit with Knock Off, it loses Eviolite, which is one of the only reasons Ferroseed is worth using.

    **Virizion** Virizion usually will have a Lum berry to shake off paralysis, is immune to Leech Seed, and can hit hard with its Fighting-type STAB moves.

    **Fire-types** Fire-types such as Delphox and Moltres easily outspeed and OHKO Ferroseed, making them great counters. However, they should be wary about taking a Thunder Wave if they try to switch in.

    **Fighting-types** Fighting-types such as Emboar and Gallade hit Ferroseed hard to the point of which it can't recover with Leech Seed. However, they should be aware that they can be crippled by Thunder Wave.

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    Overview
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    Ferroseed is a very underrated Pokemon in RU. It has great defensive stats, the ability to use Eviolite, as well as a great defensive typing leaving it weak to only Fire- and Fighting-type moves, making it the an ideal wall. Ferroseed also is also complimented complemented with a wide range of support moves, most notably the move Spikes, which isn't as common as Stealth Rock in RU and provides great utility. Ferroseed also serves as a good counter to threats in the tier such as Sharpedo,(AC) and can cripple other threats such as Yanmega with Thunder Wave. However, Ferroseed does have some glaring flaws. It is very weak to Knock Off, as without Eviolite, it loses most of its walling capability. It is also no longer is resistant to Ghost- and Dark-type moves. It Ferroseed is also is very slow,(AC) meaning that it will usually move last (needs more detail). Furthermore, Ferroseed is also terrified shut down by Taunt, as its whole niche relies on is to support the team. However, Ferroseed is a great Pokemon on any team if used correctly.
    Supporting Seed
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    name: Supporting Seed
    move 1: Spikes / Stealth Rock
    move 2: Leech Seed
    move 3: Protect / Thunder Wave
    move 4: Seed Bomb / Gyro Ball
    ability: Iron Barbs
    item: Eviolite
    evs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
    nature: Impish / Relaxed

    Moves
    ========

    This is Ferroseed's most viable set. Spikes is the main move of the set, and ist provides the utility of causing fixed chip damage every time a grounded user Pokemon switches in. Stealth Rock can also fit the role of the preferred entry hazard, but Spikes is generally better as it is less common in the tier and there are other Stealth Rock setters such as Bronzong and Registeel. Leech Seed gradually wears down the opponent and is Ferroseed's only form of recovery. Protect can work well with Leech Seed in draining down the opponent's health, but Thunder Wave can be used as an alternative to cripple faster threats such as Zangoose and Sceptile. Seed Bomb is to stop Ferroseed from being Taunt bait, and hits Kabutops and Rhyperior reasonably hard, while Gyro Ball can be used to hit Slurpuff.
    Set Details
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    252 HP EVs
    maxes out Ferroseed's HP, letting it take hits much better. 252 Defense EVs with an Impish nature maximize Ferroseed's Defense, letting it take hits from Pokemon such as Rhyperior and Escavalier. However, a Relaxed nature should be used to maximize damage if you're it's using Gyro Ball. A specially defensive spread can also work to counter special Water-, Grass-, and Electric-type Pokemon better, but most of these Pokemon will pack coverage for Ferroseed, and the physically defensive spread is better for Escavalier and Sharpedo. An Eviolite is an absolute must,(AC) as it gives Ferroseed a notable boost to its defenses, which is are its claim to fame in the tier. Lastly, Iron Barbs is the preferred ability for Ferroseed as it wears down the foe for every physical hit taken, and works well when used with Leech Seed.
    Usage Tips
    ========

    The most important rule about thing to remember when using this set needs is to not stay in on Knock Off,(AC) as it gets rid of Eviolite, and to not stay in on Taunt, as it stops Ferroseed from using its support moves, which is one of the most important reasons to ever use Ferroseed. (it's one big paragraph, no splits) Ferroseed can also force some switches on Pokemon such as Sharpedo and non-Sacred Sword Doublade lacking Sacred Sword, so predicting correctly to what will switch in correctly can provide a free turn of setting up Spikes or landing Thunder Wave on whatever switches in. Protect can also be used to scout out moves for on unusual switch-ins, or and can be used for a free turn of recovery if Leech Seed is up. Lastly, be careful when using Thunder Wave and Gyro Ball on the same set, as it can be counterproductive at times.
    Team Options
    ========

    Aromatisse and Alomomola can be good partners as they can pass
    Wishes, and Ferroseed doesn't have any other means of recovery outside of Leech Seed. Alomomola can form a defensive core with Ferroseed,(AC) as it Ferroseed can take super effective Grass-type and Electric-type moves for it,(AC) and in return, Alomomola can take super effective Fire-type moves for Ferroseed. Slowking also can form a defensive core and resists Fighting-type attacks as well, at the cost of not being able to take Knock Off well either. Jellicent can also form a defensive core with Ferroseed and has higher overall special bulk than Slowking and Alomomola, as well as the ability to spinblock. Doublade can also work as a spinblocker, but shares the same Fire-type weakness as Ferroseed which stops Doublade from forming a good defensive core with Ferroseed as well as Jellicent does. Slower sweepers such as Gallade, Hitmonlee, and Moltres that can take advantage of Ferroseed's paralysis support make great partners. Moltres,(RC) in particular,(RC) is a good partner,(AC) as it not only takes advantage of the paralysis support, but also resists Ferroseed's weaknesses.
    Other Options
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    Ferroseed really doesn't have any other options. Toxic can also be used to slowly wear down the opponent
    in conjunction with Leech Seed and Protect, but Ferroseed doesn't have the a moveslot anywhere on its set to fit it. Bullet Seed can also be used over Seed Bomb and Gyro Ball to deal more damage occasionally, but it can sometimes be unreliable. Lastly, a Mental Herb can be used to stop Ferroseed from being complete Taunt bait, but giving up on the added bulk is bad not recommended,(AC) and it only works once.
    Checks & Counters
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    **Drapion**
    : Drapion can use Taunt on Ferroseed, and can easily set up on it with Swords Dance as it resists Seed Bomb and isn't very threatened by Gyro Ball. Drapion also can use Knock Off, which gets rid of Ferroseed's Eviolite.

    **Taunt** If Ferroseed is hit with Taunted, it loses a great deal of potential utility. Pokemon such as Qwilfish can also easily Taunt Ferroseed and set up Spikes on it.
    **Knock Off** If Ferroseed is hit with Knock Off, it loses its Eviolite, which is one of the only reasons Ferroseed is worth using.

    **Virizion** Virizion usually will have a Lum Berry to shake off paralysis, is immune to Leech Seed, and can hit hard with its Fighting-type STAB moves.

    **Fire-types** Fire-types such as Delphox and Moltres easily outspeed and OHKO Ferroseed, making them great counters. However, they should be wary about taking a Thunder Wave if they try to switch in.

    **Fighting-types** Fighting-types such as Emboar and Gallade hit Ferroseed hard to the point of which it can't recover with Leech Seed. However, they should be aware that they can be crippled by Thunder Wave.


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