About goddamn time eh. The game is dead, and the least I can do is give it a proper burial, because when it was alive, I think we all loved it. I'm really sorry for it having no better ending than this. Allow me to walk by every player and say a thing or two about them. I'll try to add up their CWC, though take it with a grain of salt, since the game has not finished. Greil Mercenaries Amelia - Magic Carpet This role had some great potential, but it required to get in touch with the main village, and it had to be executed somewhat subtly. Thankfully, Amelia figured he could just copy posts like "Lynch Alice" and be done with it. He saved all his ammo though, and ended up on the wrong end of the Lopt Sect's hired assassin, since the moles in the village didn't want to let this wild card run...wild. CWC: 0 Bass - Balou Every main section had a bodyguard that's essentially the same qua custom win condition. It was one of my ways to stop neutrals from what they were in some past games: broken wild cards that have to juggle themselves between factions all the time, trying to see which one will help him win. Making bodyguards survive the game for their CWC is, admittedly, a bit of a cruel move. CWC: People drew the conclusion that there were only 5 neutrals that could win. This is wrong. There were 5 neutrals who could win independently, but there were also two wolves. Anyway, technically only Twash won so far, and neutrals did get a severe beating in this game. Of course, the Lopts took Bass out as swiftly as they could. Bender - Mickey Mouse One of those rather useless roles, but it had to go on someone. The medallion was property of Lehran/Sephiran, the Begnion Senate's killer. They could only kill on even nights before, but with it, they could do it every night. And it had one other nasty property...not the most creative _role_, but I feel that every game should have some "cannon fodder" roles that can be used as bait. BlueKirby - Captain Hook It was going to be some obscure girl from FE5 with a thief staff, but I knew Blue Kirby wasn't into FE, so I crafted this. For those wondering, BK and I used to play sumo volleyball against each other a lot. Anyway, it took some buggering to get BK to send his role PMs in since he was so busy. He didn't end up doing a lot of significant things - ended up being stolen from, but that thief (moot, who was subbed out for pookar) had higher priority, so he burned down his ship before he came home with the money he took from Earthworm. He united with the GMs (including obligatory moles) pretty late, sadly. Also, he was the one holding the "stealth vote" item, the Propaganda. Only he didn't know, it was just a piece of paper to him. Elaboration will come! CWC: 3. I think. Lesm46 [subbed in for Doomsday] - Darkwing Duck Yes, DD being DD was totally a coincidence. Another role's flavour changed specifically to help out someone who I know isn't into FE. It ended up reviving Shiv-puggy/Danved who was imo a much much worse candidate for revival than Lightwolf/Ike, but at least he did his thing. Lesm46 ended up in touch with the main village island pretty much directly after being subbed in. CWC: 10. This one was probably too easy. Then again, it pressured you to use it before you end up killed, maybe on someone who isn't very useful at all. billymills [subbed in for Giga Punch"] - Mufasa Giga Punch had a job, so I asked billymills to get in. I mean, you could roll on and on and on about him, but he did unite my team in DBZ mafia, so he couldn't be that bad. Cell Phone was a pretty hilarious item, if I may say so myself. Kumar, the Begnion Thief agreed and stole it before anyone could do anything with it. I haven't seen any BG piercing going on. This role was the last role implemented, and I thought it was actually a pretty good thing to have. The last thing Ike needed, limited as he was, was his kill blocked by a bodyguard. CWC: 0 GTS - Pocahontas A back-up inspector that got killed right away. Poor GTS. CWC: 0 Lightwolf - Quasimodo A very limited vigilante, because I thought Vegeta and the ones in the Simpsons were way too easy to pull off. People thought his kill ability stacked, even though I noted it didn't. The poor victim of Jedil's famous FUCK TIGER maneuver. Anyway, his CWC could have been more thought out. Maybe 1.5 or 2 per surviving GM. Ike was obviously supposed to have a CWC that really makes him want his fraction to win, both for story purposes and because you don't want a vigilante to switch sides. CWC: probably 10 if you count this as the end of the game, but I'd expect it to be 0 at the real end due to how badly GMs got obliterated porygon3 - Abu Volke (Gmax) was far and far away my favourite role and I have a lot to say about him, but I'll do that on his own entry. porygon3 was kept from Gmax for some time due to thunda being rejective to him. I think by the time they knew each other Hipmonlee just locked the guy up, and that was about all the action porygon3 got. CWC: 0. I could see this one becoming 10, probably, if Gmax managed to keep himself alive and friendly with whoever is in power. Rev - Belle Died way too early when she could have uncovered so much, especially NPCs. I couldn't help but laugh when she actually put a description of a McDonalds-like meal for Santa (who was Doomsday at that point). CWC: 3. Obviously one to have some fun with. I noticed I typo'd this one, and it could have been loopholed all the way to 10 easily, now that I look at it. Shade - Alice Standard hooker, standard village performance (in the moled village). I did enjoy the flavour. CWC: 2, I think. I'd remember if anything important was hooked. Shiv/Puggy - Dale (-> Gaston) This was one of my favourite Greil Merc roles. It was designed to unite the village more easily and to weed out moles by selecting groups, and also to give a relatively new player with potential a good player to talk to. Sadly, Shiv played pretty terribly, suiciding without even talking to Puggy then hogging the revival that could have gone to Ike. And also collabbed with Jackal like a cunt. It was only natural that they were imprisoned by the Lopt Sect - a major and a party guy (©AwesomeBrainRoles) in one controled by two people is pretty daunting. CWC: 3. Meant to encourage village uniting, of course, and to use that Grand Show before dying (which happened). Sonuis - The Beast Reverse martyr, wanted to try this one out. Another person who ended up in the moled village, seemingly working on commands and sometimes deviating, which actually got Devdan imprisoned. Also sent in his PMs in ALL CAPS. CWC: 0. I don't think it ever worked out. Stoo - Cogsworth Sorry Stoo, you got stuck with an item-holder role. The Hot Scale was basically a slightly more powerful Towel (from Apocalypse Mafia), meant to give thieves a harder time. It was already there when I decided to add gold to the game, but either way I thought it balanced out nicely. They did a good job putting it on Ike so his Ragnell didn't get stolen, but it wasn't half as good as it couldn't have been since, you know, everyone in the game knew what and where it was. CWC: 5, I guess, since the game ended in a night and the item that was in it previous day was heavily bid on. Scubs - Iago TAY was subbed out for Scrubs due to the whole New York fiasco. The first announcer role. Scrubs needed a wake-up call, clearly, as his idling meant Raikage got to pose as Greil Mercenary for a long time. CWC: 5. I guess he survived. Thorns - Pinocchio Decided to PM moi at night 0 with "I'm a real boi ;)", and acted cocky pretty much all game long. Funny how everyone believed moi's generic inspector false claim despite the village having this inspector, GTS as back-up inspector (who died early, so everyone could see it), and an extremely powerful sherrif. Stupid. CWC: 1. I think he inspected a bad guy after Fishin already did it. thunda - Mulan (-> Oliver the Kitten) Obviously wanted to give him a non-FE related role. He was like an infinite resurrection rogue who only had to stalk the right faction, so unlike other game's rogues he was low risk, low reward (Simpsons and DBZ rogues turned into Vigilante and Kraken respectively). Spent more time trolling than doing really useful things for his team, such as handing out 1G to random people and telling his team he was actually B.A. Baracus, though he got genuinely mad when he found out he was moled. CWC: 10. He convinced Fishin to kill him, and in trade removed him and his 2 other aliases from the GM spreadsheet so they wouldn't lynch him. And he was the one to find Fishin out, too. Begnion Senate AvatarST - Simba Had a funny false claim going early on, but decided to come out as Begnion later for god knows what reason. Then also got reasonably busy, and also collabbed with Shiv for no reason to make Gmax's life more difficult even though I asked him twice not to do the whole friend collab thing. :( CWC: 6. He blocked a thief and a kill with the umbrella song. cyzir visheen - Goofy Definitely one of my favourite items/roles in the game. Essentially, it allowed him to stealth vote like the Scepter, except it also overturned the vote of whoever was holding the thing. cyzir parked the Propaganda on BlueKirby (Captain Hook), who was completely unaware of what the slip of paper did. And coincidentally, this is the item that got Ike lynched. Jedil posted "..." right after BlueKirby (another total coincidence), which meant there were two totally unseen votes for Ike. So the moment Jedil suicided, he was the one with most votes. Some may disagree with those lynching ethics...well, looking back on it, who would want to miss FUCK TIGER? CWC: 10. I can't be arsed to check, but he was definitely alive for long enough for this to be true. Jackal - Sarabi (-> Maid Marian) A mafia leader that has the option of becoming wolf once he acquires a certain item. Highly experimental, and partly succesful: he did end up using it and no one suspected anything...except he told Shiv, which is gay. I guess the GMs needed a wolf to help them out, but then again they already had Fishin. Couldn't have ended too well. CWC: 0. His CWC seems impossible when you look at the start of the game, since he could only kill every even night, which ties with Tibarn and loses to Jerme of the Lopt Sect, but that's because he got to kill every night with the medallion in hands, whereas the Lopt's kill became greatly nerfed if either of the Manfroy/Jerme combo died. Actually, his CWC is irrelevant, since he transformed to the following: Which was pretty outdated but I forgot to revamp it before it was needed, since the shop now took the role of scavenger rather than Accio *.*. Whatever. Jedil - Bagheera Standard Silencer + posting restriction. We all know about FUCK TIGER by now which was awesome. CWC: 2 at least, 6 if you count Nergal's survival. thunda complained to me in PM, and then someone else complained as well in public. I liked this CWC the most, I think. Kumar - Timon The best thief in the game, snatching like 100-200G total from people, including his butt buddy Pumbaa. THIS IS A MESSAGE FROM LORD NERGAL, GET YOUR GOLD TO ME. CWC: 10. He stole the Cell Phone from billymills and Lehran's Medallion from Bender, so that's 2 points, but I think he deserves more for all the gold he stole. And you could say he survived. Raikage - Jetsam Best used announcer role which, in combination with Scrubs' lack of initiative, allowed him to mole and ruin the Greil Mercenaries all the way until his lynch. UWEE HEE HEE! CWC: 7-8 or something, depending on how often he managed to publish. He did make the post right before he died. RB Golbat - Aurora I'd hate being back-up killer and having nothing to do in the meanwhile, so I gave Nergal the ability to make believable false claims, a way to level the playing field between FE and non-FE players. And his lack of a vote encourages him to stay undercover. CWC: 3. Denning survived, Kishuna didn't, and he didn't get to kill anything at all, iirc. He needed Sephiran dead (or berserked) at some point to fulfill complete CWC. tennisace - Ursula BG that needs neutrals to lose, just like the others. Sadly he got lynched early. I fucked up at the Lopt Sect inspection that got him, by the way...I pasted Nergal instead of Zelgius. Didn't matter _too much_ because it was an evil guy either way, and Jerme's PM in the Lopt Sect already says Nergal was with the Begnion Senate. So the only info it got them was that Nergal could make false claims. Sorry about either way. But I digress. tennis didn't get to do much at all since he was lynched so early. CWC: Technically only Twash won so far, but one of the kids was going to win as well...see Jeigan/Bass, I guess. Lopt Sect Brain - Scar What a madman. Whereas I expected this role to be used carefully, Brain spammed for inspections in the first three nights, identifying one of Fishin's aliases as a non-NPC on night 1 and getting his NPC kill on night 2. He also led the Lopt Sect as a true lion king, threatening to feed his minions to the hyena's if they talked to anyone without his permission. Just look at the Lopt subforum for his plans. I was amazed at the ideas he had with the combination of roles available. CWC: 10. Fuck yeah. Earthworm - Peter Pan The child that would not grow up. <@jyranitar> Earthworm have you hit puberty yet <@Earthworm> lol <@Earthworm> i think so junior Made an awesome false claim as BPV that got CWC for being vulnerable that wormed him into the village forums. thunda even made me turn him into forum leader at one point. A GIANT WALKS AMONG YOU! CWC: See other carbon copied BGs. eric the espeon - Smee Same as Nergal, except more emphasis on needing Manfroy (Hipmonlee) dead. He just listened to his orders and carried them out, like a good minion...yeah, a god listening to orders from a bishop. CWC: 5. Sadly he didn't do a lot, if anything with his CWC. Manfroy was about to get lynched though. moi - Mrs Potts Another one of the Lopt's moles, constantly bragging about it too. It's funny how someone who was so bad in previous mafias (or current ones, heh). Brain had the idea of letting moi revive a NPC, so Merlin ended up walking around like a zombie, and like a klutz I forgot to put that in one of the day topics. Merlin ended up buying the Ragnell, too. In retrospect, this role might have been broken if the game had gone on. CWC: 10, if the corpse had survived all the way. 2 if not. we'll never know~ Hipmonlee - Robin Hood I only noticed later how it ended up being Jackal vs Hipmonlee as mafia leaders again, like in DBZ. Hip played really well, getting into the village forum with a "prevent someone from getting hooked" claim, and in conjunction with Jerme killed a crapload of people in the blink of an eye. The place where you could not escape from was hinted at to be the boat that got dak stuck for a couple of hours. I forgot to put a cap on his imprisoning, which jumpluff thankfully put at 3 while I was fighting the Italian mafia. Thank god. CWC: 10, as it is now. Could have turned a lot worse. pookar just took orders pretty well, it seemed. Didn't do a lot of interesting things and even got stolen from my Kumar, whose alias was Timon, so I found that pretty funny. CWC: I thought this was a good example of CWC. A competition for having gold. Sadly, he didn't make it to the top. SevenDeadlySins - Dale The guy who sliced up people after they'd been trapped on the boat by Hip. Ended up getting lynched, but before then played his part pretty well. Also got inspected by the hawk tribe, and then inspected again by village just to make sure. =/ CWC: If my calculations are right, he actually made it to highest # kills, though I think someone else might have surpassed him (either Jackal or eric). Only time would have told. The speech hasn't been used well at all (the only time he actually announced something, Twash filtered it), but the item sure as hell was. Hip and I agreed later it was broken, but used to full potential. Its most interesting use was probably when pookar was about to get inspected and Hip changed the CV on the same night pookar stole it from him, allowing them to screw up that inspection as well. Shiney himself...just followed orders from them Hips and Brains. CWC: 5 max if he survived, I guess. Why he didn't try more often to get CWC is beyond me. Well, I do recall Brain thought it wouldn't do much after it was shown Raikage wasn't exactly a village announcer. Really, the announcer roles didn't play as I imagined at all. Neutrals Twash - Bambi As I said, had the announcers played as I expected, this wouldn't have been as easy for Twash as it was. He thought I was trying to trick him when I told him he had the option to suicide (so that he couldn't lose). The idea was that he'd try to work with village to get as much truth out there, or with mafia if they had more to offer to him. Turns out he needed none of it. cookie - Genie GreenPikachu - Donald Duck So cute. Sometimes they would neglect to send in Night PMs which was really annoying. gp would also collab with matamato and moi, which really annoyed me (I told you (BAN ME PLEASE) don't collab in my goddamn game). On someone's spreadsheet, cookie had a note "claims anything gp says is bullshit", which was kind of the thing I was hoping for to see. The other thing was that they'd try to get people they tagged killed by others for their own gain (as killed people couldn't be retagged) but they both just played very lazily. Fishin & Flounder - Flounder, Lumière, Lamp The only non-overpowered games in recent mafia history, imo. The idea was, like Devdan, that the more experienced player would keep the other under control, but it wasn't meant to be, and Flounder ended up pasting their forum description ([Where the Hawk King plans his revenge upon the human race.) in a hilarious interrogation convo with moi and thunda. thunda forced Fishin to kill him on the night he stalked him to gain CWC, and in trade removed their info from their spreadsheet and pretended to the village he was dead, which was hysterical as well. When one of the minion hawks died, the other would become able to steal. Like Begnion, they seemed very apt at finding NPCs...they could never have won after they'd been found by Brain's NPC-finding ability (Fishin claimed the alias Flounder was a NPC, which I thought was smart), but I'd like to think Fishin did as well as he could under circumstances. matamato - Mad Hatter Sorry for the fuck-up :( For some reason this is the only neutral dak likes, while I think it could have been the most harmful one in retrospect. Gmax - Ariel Far and far away my favourite role in the game. What's better in a game of mafia than a pact maker you CAN trust to keep his side of the deal? Stupid village would have none of it, however, and the only Begnion man who made deals with him (Raikage) died early...though he managed to get quite a lot in later. Even almost made a deal that would've killed off the entire Senate (due to lack of gold), but it was called off. He made some pretty clever pacts, but he was sadly too hesitant to make a long term pact with Lopt. Once Bastian died, he could've chosen his one-time kill himself. Toothache - Flotsam Toothache the female shaman...Most annoying anonymous poster, probably. The one time Toothache's goal is to actually die, he refuses to. Played it pretty badly, really. He did use the delusional tome to try and start anew, but I doubt he'd have made it. Every faction except maybe Begnion knew of him. Cheshire Cat, Gaston, Jasmine, Maid Marian, Merlin, Mowgli, Oliver the Kitten and Sebastian were all NPCs, though most of them have been used and/or inspected throughout the game. I liked a lot about this game, but I also disliked quite a few things...so here's some self criticism of things I'd have changed if I were to host the same game again. I'll exclude things I've made up my mind for recently until YCI Mafia is over. - Cut out Sophia, or make her only have to die once. The role simply takes too many NPCs to work. - Allow Tibarn to kill more often. Still not every night, but say, 2/3 or 3/4 nights. - Go back to the normal killing method of sending someone. I liked experimenting with one faction that has an awesome prison-kill that grows into a delayed kill if the people involved in it die (Lopt), and one faction with a somewhat sucky kill that grows stronger when getting medallion (Begn), but in the end I think it's more safe to go with what's balanced - Jackal says Lehran is broken...w/e, he shouldn't have collabbed with Shiv - Be more careful with things (I fucked up when I really shouldn't have like four times, though one of them technically didn't do much) - No more item-mole. That thing was a bit too good. - Better thought out CWCs. I think they have a lot of potential, but some are a bit too bland, some are too easy, some are too hard. - No more need for bolding lynch votes. This was for the times when it was needed and there was discussion. That's no longer the case. Now all it does is cause stupid "no it shouldn't count" controversy. Still, I had fun watching this game, and I hope you had fun playing.