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First OU team.

Discussion in 'BW OU Teams' started by Frostbyte92, Aug 16, 2011.

  1. Frostbyte92


    Aug 16, 2011
    Hello everyone, I'm a new member on these forums and I'd appreciate some advice on my OU team.


    1. Mienshao: Attacking Lead / Anti Setup
    Move 1: Hi Jump Kick
    Move 2: U-Turn
    Move 3: Stone Edge
    Move 4: Fake Out

    Nature: Jolly
    Item: Life Orb
    Ability: Regenerator
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 HP / 252 Spe

    I went with an attacking lead because I have a few guys (namely volcarona) that are prone to stealth rock, and by using mienshao, I could hopefully disrupt any setup of entry hazards or whatever they decide to do.


    2. Excadrill: Physical Sweeper / Rapid Spinner
    Move 1: Swords Dance
    Move 2: Earthquake
    Move 3: Rock Slide
    Move 4: Rapid Spin

    Nature: Jolly
    Item: Life Orb
    Ability: Sand Rush
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

    Ok so for this team, I used two physical sweepers. Mienshao doesn't really set up for sweeping, he's just there for disruption and alpha striking. Excadrill on the other hand does utilize swords dance and is fully intended to set up given the chance.


    3. Volcarona: Special Sweeper
    Move 1: Quiver Dance
    Move 2: Bug Buzz
    Move 3: Fiery Dance
    Move 4: HP Rock

    Nature: Timid
    Item: Life Orb
    Ability: Flame Body
    EVs: 252 Spa / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

    Essentially the same thing I'm doing with the physical sweepers. Volcarona uses quiver dance when he gets the opportunity and destroys people with awesome special attack. Chose him over chandelure because of less weaknesses and I wanted to use gengar.


    4. Gengar: Sub-Split
    Move 1: Substitute
    Move 2: Pain Split
    Move 3: Shadow Ball
    Move 4: Focus Blast

    Nature: Timid
    Item: Life Orb
    Ability: Levitate
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

    Used for a special sweeper thats not required to set up and then sweep. He's fast and he hits pretty hard with the shadow ball/focus blast pair. He can also make a substitute to compensate for bad defense and HP, and then pain split to stay in longer and do more damage.


    5. Ferrothorn: Tank
    Move 1: Stealth Rock
    Move 2: Leech Seed
    Move 3: Gyro Ball
    Move 4: Protect

    Nature: Relaxed
    Item: Leftovers
    Ability: Iron Barbs
    EVs: 252 HP / 48 Def / 208 SpD

    Ferrothorn was designed to be a tank, with great defenses and only two weaknesses, I can also set up entry hazards and stall with leech seed/protect. Chose him because he was good with physical and special defense, and he seemed on par with or better than foretress. Since he's not my lead I can also switch him in and wall numerous types and force them to switch or take leech seed. The iron barbs are a nice bonus too.


    6. Vaporeon: Wish support
    Move 1: Wish
    Move 2: Protect
    Move 3: Scald
    Move 4: Roar

    Nature: Bold
    Item: Leftovers
    Ability: Water Absorb
    EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD

    Brings back memories, was my first evee from red version. But aside from that, I've seen youtube battles where vaporeon did an amazing support job with the wish/protect and roar for pseudo hazing. It can even do decent damage with STAB scald and possibly cripple physical attackers with the burn.

    So to recap, I've got two fast attackers (1 physical, 1 special) and two real sweepers (same thing) plus two more guys to make sure my sweepers stay alive.
    For strategy, I will probably always lead with mienshao, although ferrothorn is also an option. Then once I kill or weaken their lead a substantial amount, I can U-turn to ferrothorn to take damage, or vaporeon to stall and heal. I'd prefer to save vaporeon until later though, because it's not as bulky as ferrothorn and it's important to my strategy. I can also switch in sweepers if I think they can live through an attack and then hopefully force a switch so I can set up swords dance/quiver dance. Let me know if you guys have more suggestions on top of this.

    Most of these were heavily based off the ones in the 5th gen competitive forum, but my main concern was whether or not they would work well together.
    All advice is much appreciated, as I'm doing this with a bunch of very competitive friends. :)

    Edit: Thanks everyone for the replies and suggestions. I made changes in green. I think I will keep scald though because I really like the extra burn. I'll try to work out the HP rock for volcarona, but that's going to take a LOT of breeding. Ah well. Thanks again everyone!

    Edit2: Added descriptions for each team member to get the thread unlocked...
  2. Soulfly


    Jul 27, 2011
    Looks like a nice and ballanced team to me .
    An X-scissor is very nice on a Excadrill but that is optional as you would have to drop rapid spin or swords dance for it .
    Other then that you might wanna change scald to surf because you dont want to accidentually burn a pokemon with guts.
    Other then that i cant add or comment any more , nice team !
  3. snowclaw1234


    Apr 27, 2011
    I wouldn't get rid of scald, because that is the main reason it is used over surf. On that vaporeon set the Ev's are put a little more into special defense, and not defense because you will most likely get a burn on a physical attacker when using scald.
  4. Soulfly


    Jul 27, 2011
    True , tho i'm really considering to change the scald of my jellicent to surf.
    I accidentually burned a conkeldurr before and that really cost me alot.
  5. mrbiggstuff444


    Jul 25, 2011
    hidden power rock, fighting, or ground on volcarona would be nice.. easily walled by fire types without it and your dont want to give up all those quiver dances. HP rock handles other volcaronas but after a few quiver dances your fiery dance would take it nicely as well. HP ground handles heatran. HP fighting handles heatran decently as well as bulky rock types.
  6. mrbiggstuff444


    Jul 25, 2011
    Also, Mienshau isn't very good for taunting. Why not Fake out+ Hi jump kick to simply demolish whoever you think is going to run an entry hazard? Mienshau can not even start to take a hit because of his frail defenses. You could toss out taunt for stone edge to counter a switch to chandelure. Completely walled by ghosts not wanting to setup.
  7. kmuffinman


    Jul 12, 2011
    Give Ferrothorn 0 Speed IVs as well for even lower speed. You will probably have a hard time against water-types with Thunderbolt. You could remedy this by A) Switching Stealth Rock on Ferrothorn to Power Whip or B) Using Gastrodon instead of Vaporeon, but you will lose Wish support
  8. Shining_Latios


    May 5, 2010
    I think you should change Protect on Ferrothorn for Power Whip because bulky Water-types will give you trouble.
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    Jul 27, 2011
    1) Excadrill is much better with sand support, I would recommend putting A tyranitar somewhere on your team, possibly as an attacking lead with stealth rock over mienshao. you could try this set for T-tar:

    move 1: Stealth Rock
    move 2: Crunch
    move 3: Fire Blast
    move 4: Ice Beam / Superpower
    item: Leftovers
    nature: Sassy
    evs: 252 HP / 180 SpA / 76 SpD

    2)Try running air balloon on your excadrill for a while, It greatly lowers the amount of checks excadrill has and makes it much easier to set up swords dance and sweep.

    3) like shining latios said, replace protect for power whip on ferrothorn to hit bulky waters.

    Otherwise, good team, if i have any other recommendations i will edit this post.

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