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For Drizzle, My Nizzle

Discussion in 'BW OU Teams' started by Flygoner818, Jul 27, 2012.

  1. Flygoner818

    Flygoner818

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    FOR DRIZZLE, MY NIZZLE

    (It's okay for me to say that because I'm black.)

    Hey guys, long-time listener, first-time caller. I've been stalking the RMT forums for a while and finally worked up the balls to post a thread of my own. I've been using this team for a while now, and I'm hoping to take my game to the next level. So far, I'm at over 1700 on PS! (not amazing, but not terrible) and would like to see this go further. Although it might seem like a run-of-the-mill Drizzle team, there are some surprises...Here we go!

    TEAM AT A GLANCE:
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    Let's begin, shall we?

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    Swampert (Politoed) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Drizzle
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SDef
    Calm Nature
    - Scald
    - Protect
    - Refresh / Toxic
    - Perish Song

    What is a Drizzle team without Politoed? Truth be told, I've always been a fan of Politoed (I have been known to use his Whirlpool-Perish Song set...) and BW just gave me more reasons to love him. I decided to go with a specially defensive spread because Politoed's highest stat is actually his Special Defense, and I really wanted to highlight that. He is actually a bit of a special tank, only being 3HKO-ed by Volt Switch from Modest Rotom-W and Scarf Thundurus-T, so I can usually send him out as my lead without concern and try to burn the switch-in with Scald. I usually run Refresh over Toxic: Although being able to cripple other weather starters and bulky waters is important, I find that most people think that a poisoned Toed is a dead Toed, so Refresh is that fuck-you that I love. Perish Song is the icing on the cake, allowing him to pHaze out set-up sweepers and ruin Baton Pass chains. Really, he's my only solution to Calm Mind Reuniclus and Sub-DD Gyarados, but he's a damn good response.

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    Blaziken (Latias) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Levitate
    EVs: 252 Spd / 164 SAtk / 92 HP
    Timid Nature
    - Dragon Pulse
    - Psyshock
    - Roost
    - Calm Mind

    To be honest, I didn't immediately get Latias. Originally, this teamslot was occupied by Specially Defensive Jirachi, but I realized that I needed a good response to Sun teams. I've never been much of a Latias fan, but this has certainly changed. Latias forces a ton of switches, which can help me rack up entry hazard damage, and has enough juice to blast through most defensive cores after a boost or two. I wanted to outspeed the Musketeers and speed-tie with other Lati@s, so I maxed out speed. I got the Special Attack investment from the analysis, but it also gives her an extra punch that most don't initially expect from Calm Mind Latias. Dragon Pulse and Psyshock are two hard-hitting and reliable STABs, giving me neutral damage against most pokes, and Roost gives me instant recovery that is so frustrating for the enemy.

    As much as I now love Latias, having a reliable check/counter to opposing Tornadus-T might be more important, since even with max-HP and -SDef investment, she's still 2HKO-ed by his Hurricane.

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    Venusaur (Forretress) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Sturdy
    EVs: 252 HP / 20 SAtk / 220 Def
    Bold Nature
    IVs: 30 Spd
    - Spikes
    - Rapid Spin
    - Volt Switch
    - Hidden Power [Ice]

    Forretress is the MAN! He does so much for my team: physical wall, entry hazard setter, Rapid Spinner, and death fodder (occasionally). With him setting up Spikes and spinning away SR, he makes Tornadus-T's life so much easier, giving Torny the chance to switch in at full health and break down most pokes for a 2HKO (after entry hazard damage). I chose a special spread after reading The Smog's article on underrated movesets, and I've never looked back. Volt Switch lets me escape Magnezone, and can break Gyarados' subs if it tries to set up. HP Ice is the real gem, allowing me to 2HKO Gliscor, Landorus, Offensive Dragonite (with broken Multiscale), Salamence, as well as do respectable damage to a myriad of pokes. Trading off Gyro Ball was the hardest thing I've had to do, as now he loses to Pokemon he once countered, like Lati@s and Gengar. But with a little teamwork, these guys are never too much of a problem.

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    Serperior (Mamoswine) @ Life Orb
    Trait: Thick Fat
    EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd / 4 HP
    Jolly Nature
    - Earthquake
    - Ice Shard
    - Icicle Spear
    - Stealth Rock

    In the dictionary, next to the definition for BAMF, it says "see also, Mamoswine". He hits hard and dies hard, also setting up Stealth Rocks, always useful. Earthquake and Ice Shard are his obligatory STABs, and if it ain't broke, don't fix it. I chose Icicle Spear over Icicle Crash to give him the chance to beat Sub Gliscor, Sub Hydreigon, and Dragonite, among others, without hesitation. Moreover, if I know the opponent will switch in Skarmory or non-Scarf Rotom-W, I'll use Icicle Spear and hope that it lands 5 hits. This has come in handy other times, as a 5-hit Icicle Spear does min. 55% damage to Standard Ferrothorn. It is a little chancy, but totally worth the risk.

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    Typhlosion (Tornadus-Therian) @ Choice Specs
    Trait: Regenerator
    EVs: 4 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Timid Nature
    - Hurricane
    - Focus Blast
    - Sleep Talk
    - U-turn

    The moment I saw Tornadus-T, I thought, "What would Liz Lemon do?" And I did it, and it's changed my life. Torny-T has just the biggest balls this side of the Mississippi. He's fast as shit and hits like a tank from that sexy base-110 Special Attack. The moves are a no-brainer: Hurricane basically 1-2HKOs everything, except for the things that Focus Blast 1-2HKOs. That includes, but is not limited to (some with a little prior damage): Blissey, Skarmory, Tyranitar, Heatran, Gastrodon, Jellicent, Ferrothorn, Lati@s, etc. He's such a great partner for Forretress (for reasons stated above) and makes a great Specs user, thanks to Regenerator. Sleep Talk might seem odd, but being able to switch into Breloom and Amoonguss (and Roserade lol) and scare them back underground is priceless. Plus, what else does Torny-T need?

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    Meganium (Breloom) @ Toxic Orb
    Trait: Poison Heal
    EVs: 212 SDef / 236 HP / 60 Spd
    Careful Nature
    - Bulk Up
    - Drain Punch
    - Seed Bomb
    - Spore

    Breloom is always one of the hardest Pokemon to switch into, and with Spore and his monstrous attack, he puts a lot of pressure on the opponent. With the release of Technician, most have chosen to take advantage of this boon. Incidentally, so have I. I can bluff a Technician set as I switch in post-KO and force out Scizor, Scarf Terrakion, Tyranitar, Heatran, Ninetales, Hydreigon, and anyone else who fears a LO Technician-boosted Mach Punch. Then, I set up. With some smart playing, I can usually get two boosts in fairly easily and proceed to rip through teams. I figured, if I'm going to use Poison Heal, I might as well take advantages of his convenient resistances and Bulk Up. He's an asset on my team and still a threat to be reckoned with.

    Thanks for reading, and I appreciate all the help I can get.

    Team in Review:
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    Swampert (Politoed) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Drizzle
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SDef
    Calm Nature
    - Scald
    - Protect
    - Refresh
    - Perish Song
    
    Blaziken (Latias) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Levitate
    EVs: 252 Spd / 164 SAtk / 92 HP
    Timid Nature
    - Dragon Pulse
    - Psyshock
    - Roost
    - Calm Mind
    
    Venusaur (Forretress) @ Leftovers
    Trait: Sturdy
    EVs: 252 HP / 20 SAtk / 220 Def
    Bold Nature
    IVs: 30 Spd
    - Spikes
    - Rapid Spin
    - Volt Switch
    - Hidden Power [Ice]
    
    Serperior (Mamoswine) @ Life Orb
    Trait: Thick Fat
    EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd / 4 HP
    Jolly Nature
    - Earthquake
    - Ice Shard
    - Icicle Spear
    - Stealth Rock
    
    Typhlosion (Tornadus-Therian) @ Choice Specs
    Trait: Regenerator
    EVs: 4 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Timid Nature
    - Hurricane
    - Focus Blast
    - Sleep Talk
    - U-turn
    
    Meganium (Breloom) @ Toxic Orb
    Trait: Poison Heal
    EVs: 212 SDef / 236 HP / 60 Spd
    Careful Nature
    - Bulk Up
    - Drain Punch
    - Seed Bomb
    - Spore


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    Reuniclus: This guy is a nuissance: nothing on my team can hit it for super-effective damage, and the best I can manage is Perish Song to the Calm Mind users. Other than that, elbow grease is all I can hope for.

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    Gyarados: Although he struggles to switch in to most of my team, Sub versions can use Politoed (and Forretress, to a lesser a extent) as set-up fodder. With more of them running more speed to beat out Torny-T after a Dragon Dance, I have to play very carefully, as he can easily crush my whole team.

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    Starmie: Life Orb Starmie is a dangerous sweeper, and no one on my team can safely switch into it. Starmie's fairly predictable, so I can usually bait it with Forretress and Volt Switch to Torny-T to threaten it. But it's not always so simple.

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    Jirachi: This thing is a pain in my cooch. I'm powerless against speedy Calm Minders, and Scarfers usually make me over-predict and fail hard. It's the only Pokemon that I can't even come close to a 2HKO with Tornadus-T's Hurricane, and can in turn paralyze or begin to set up. Spikes can help with this, but it's often a stretch.
  2. lousy918

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    I can't suggest much, but Icicle Crash on Mamoswine is much better. Firstly, Icicle Spear has an average power of 75, while Icicle Crash has 85. Although Icicle Spear has 100% acc while Icicle Crash has 90%, Icicle Crash has a nice flinch rate of 30%. Also, put Life Orb on Tornadus-T, I mean, you have Regenerator.
  3. forestflamerunner

    forestflamerunner Ain't no rest for the wicked
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    Hey flygoner, nice team. I have a couple of suggestions to help you out with those threats you have listed. From your descriptions, i cant seem to find one useful thing breloom does for you beside spore something. To use that team slot more prolifically, i would reccomend switching breloom out for the below celebi:

    Celebi@ life orb
    252HP/80SPA/176SPE
    Modest nature

    -Giga Drain
    -Earth Power
    -Hidden Power (Ice)
    -Recover

    This set will help alleviate your gyarados and starmie weakness and will also help out against jirachi's Sub+CM set. The EV's allow you to outspeed and ko heatran and also allow you to always break jirachi's substitutes at +2 with earthpower. Giga drain is used over leaf storm for greater consistency and overall staying power. The Hp investment ensures that you will survive starmie's ice beam with HP to spare, allowing you to ko with giga drain. A similar deal with gyarados. Hopefully that will prove more useful than your breloom.

    Now, i kinda feel like CB Terrakion would be more useful than latias. You seem to be trying to use latias as an offensive complement to tornados, but really Terrakion just works better. It forces out anything Tornados cant and also serves as a very powerful and destructive wallbreaker. It also patches up your volc weakness fairly well( most are running qd+roost right about now) and could also handle reneiculus great with x- scizzor and can also deal a number on any jirachi not locked into choice scarf iron head. Here's the set

    Terrakion@Choice Band
    252ATK/4SDef/252SPE
    Jolly Nature
    Close combat
    Stone edge
    X-scizzor
    Quick attack

    Yeah, so thats my rate. Note that the change to terakion would make you more keldeo weak, but you can check it fine with celebi, tornadus, and try for a speed tie with terrakion if need be, so yeah, thats that.
  4. Asek

    Asek A heart of stone, a smoking gun
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    Hey

    This is a well built team, I especially like seeing a Poison Heal Breloom for the first time since BW2 release. Besides your threat list, I saw Standard LO Mamoswine and Double Dance Terrakion as major threats as nothing on your team likes taking hits from either of them and they can both defeat you in a pinch if you don't handle them well.

    First off I think with Rapid Spin support, Tornadus-T would much rather use a Life Orb > Choice Specs. Once you have worn yourself down with Life Orb you can simply switch out and recover the health back and the ability to switch moves is golden on Tornadus. Latias's EV spread looks a bit funny for a CM user, so I think switching EV's to 252HP / 4Def / 252Spe would work a little better in aid of setting up and still maintaining a blazing speed stat.

    Next, I saw that all of your weaknesses could be patched up be replacing your Forretress for a Life Orb Starmie. Starmie can beat all of your threats with a monstrously powerful Hydro Pump in rain, Reuniclus is still 2HKO'd at +1 and opposing Starmie are forced into a speed tie scenario. Gyarados is beaten by TBolt and jirachi doesn't like taking Hydro Pump at all. Forretress should go as with the abundance of Rapid Spin and your lack of a spinblocker, you will often find your hard earned hazards getting wiped off a bit easily and Starmie still provides the rapid spin support that your team wants. Also of note is that Reuniclus can't recover stall you as even with Leftovers Hydro Pump will negate all possible recovery at +1

    GL with the team, Starmie set below
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    Starmie @ Life Orb
    Nature: Timid
    Trait : Natural Cure
    EV's: 252SpA / 4SpD / 252Spe
    Hydro Pump / Thunderbolt / Ice Beam / Rapid Spin
  5. Flygoner818

    Flygoner818

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    Thanks for the rates, guys.

    @Asek: Life Orb Tornandus-T works well, although the power difference is a little noticeable. Also, I'm not so sure I like having Starmie in place of Forretress. I really like having a reliable switch-in to DD Nite, who can otherwise set up on anyone on my team fairly easily. Also, having three guys with Life Orbs makes my team a lot less durable.

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