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Froslass (Analysis)

Discussion in 'Uploaded Analyses' started by elDino, May 21, 2011.

  1. elDino

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    Right, I'm taking over Froslass too, thanks to Rising_Dusk and Bloo. (That rhymes!!!)
    Feel free to suggest sets!

    QC Approvals: 1/3 Bloo, 2/3 PK Gaming, 3/3 Iconic
    GP Checks: 1/2 Calm Pokemaster, 2/2 zdrup15

    Other: Proofreads by NixHex and Telamonian Ajax

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    [Overview]

    <p>Froslass
    is a Pokemon with a few key traits keeping it from being a viable contender for a consistent spot in the OU metagame. Its unique Ghost and Ice typing gives it a niche in that no other Pokemon shares its great dual STABs. However, Froslass's typing will often prove to be its downfall ultimately, as it gives Froslass weaknesses to common Fire-, Rock-, and Ghost-type attacks, allowing many Pokemon to bring it down with ease. Froslass's main boon, though, is its ability to set up Spikes and block Rapid Spin simultaneously. With Taunt, it can also block opposing setup, forcing the opponent to attack Froslass, and this can be easily remedied with Destiny Bond, giving it a free KO. All in all, Froslass can work well as an offensive Spikes user, and fits exceptionally well on hail teams, thanks to its ability, Snow Cloak, and a 100% accurate Blizzard. Sub-par stats and a mediocre movepool on the whole prevent Froslass from performing effectively, but if used with the right team support, it can be an effective Pokemon.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Spikes
    move 1: Spikes
    move 2: Taunt
    move 3: Ice Beam / Blizzard
    move 4: Destiny Bond
    item: Leftovers
    ability: Snow Cloak
    nature: Timid
    evs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Froslass's lone niche in the OU metagame is
    its combination of high Speed, access to Spikes, and Ghost typing. This simple Spikes set allows Froslass to abuse its access to the fairly exclusive move, and in conjunction with its Ghost typing, Froslass can set up Spikes without worrying about them being spun away. Taunt is another great move in Froslass's arsenal, allowing it to prevent other Pokemon from setting up most of the time, thanks to its high base 110 Speed. The final support move Froslass is able to offer is Destiny Bond. In conjunction with Taunt, Froslass can easily score itself a KO, as the opponent is forced to attack, meaning Froslass brings it down as well. There are two options for an offensive move. Ice Beam is Froslass's most reliable STAB move, and has a decent Base Power. However, considering that Froslass is mostly used on hail teams to abuse Snow Cloak, Blizzard can be used for its higher Base Power.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>The EV spread maximizes Froslass's Speed and HP, allowing it to set up entry hazards with ease most of the time. Froslass can run some other attacking options instead of Ice Beam or Blizzard. Shadow Ball deals significant damage to Psychic-types such as Reuniclus. However, Froslass then passes up the opportunity to
    act as a check to Landorous and Gliscor, three of the premier threats in the metagame. Finally, Froslass can choose to use Icy Wind in the last slot to slow down an opposing Pokemon, allowing it to get off Destiny Bond first most of the time.</p>

    <p>Regarding EVs, Froslass can tweak its spread in a few different ways. Shifting
    the HP EVs to Special Attack is viable; Froslass's attacking move gains a lot more power, allowing it to do significant damage to bulkier Pokemon. For example, an unboosted Reuniclus is now 2HKOed by Shadow Ball, meaning that it cannot reliably switch in. Other changes include buffing up Froslass's defenses, which allows it to set up Spikes more reliably. However, the EV spread listed is more reliable, as it gives Froslass perhaps the best possible combination of bulk and Speed.</p>

    <p>When looking for teammates to pair
    with Froslass, Abomasnow immediately comes to mind. The hail it brings allows Froslass to dodge attacks occasionally and possibly set up another layer of Spikes, as well as giving Blizzard perfect accuracy. Since Froslass will be setting up Spikes, a Pokemon that can force switches is a great teammate. Specs Rotom-W is a great example, as it can Volt Switch out of Pokemon that it threatens, forcing the switch-in to take damage from Spikes. Phazers such as Latias also work well.</p>

    <p>Steel-types are perhaps the best counters to Froslass. Scizor is the best overall, as it can KO Froslass with Bullet Punch before it uses Destiny Bond, while taking it out with Pursuit if it decides to switch. Tyranitar is in a similar position, as both of its STAB
    attacks are super effective, although it must watch out for Destiny Bond. The main thing to remember when countering Froslass is that the threat of Destiny Bond is always present. For this reason, it is better to counter it with a faster Pokemon that doesn't particularly mind Ice-type attacks. One such example is Choice Scarf Tyranitar.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>To be honest, Froslass can run a multitude of different sets, but none of them are very effective in OU. Substitute and Snow Cloak can make an effective set, but Froslass's mediocre base 80 Special Attack and poor bulk usually invalidate this strategy. Toxic can be used on all sets, and it gives Froslass a way to damage common switch-ins such as Tyranitar. However, it won't do anything to the omnipresent Steel-types that often switch in
    to Froslass. Finally, a Choice Specs set with Blizzard can do good damage, but on the whole, it is outclassed by other Pokemon such as Kyurem.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Scizor is perhaps the best counter to Froslass, as Bullet Punch and Pursuit allow
    it to take down Froslass easily. Tyranitar also makes a fine check, as it can KO a fleeing Froslass with Pursuit while threatening with Crunch or Stone Edge, should Froslass stay in. Ironically, entry hazards are a major issue for Froslass, as it takes 25% from Stealth Rock and is vulnerable to Spikes. Finally, any Steel-type will almost completely wall Froslass, and can safely take it down with a STAB attack, provided Froslass is not using Destiny Bond.</p>

    [Dream World]

    <p>Cursed Body might appear to be a decent ability
    on paper, but Froslass is so frail that it will often get KOed by the hit that activates Cursed Body, making Snow Cloak the superior option the majority of the time.</p>
  2. AccidentalGreed

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    I talked to some guys on IRC, and iirc one of the contributor mods said that the reason Froslass is having an OU analysis is because he excels rather excellently in Hail conditions. Therefore, I think a couple of sets based around Spikes and set up are efficient enough. Offensive sets are better left in OO, as are Lead sets.
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    You typed up the hyperlink and linked it to Crobat...just saying...
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    Bump!
    This is now ready for QC checks.
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    Add a Choice (Specs) set mention in OO.
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    If Leftovers is the Main option, Froslass should be more defensively EV oriented in order to lay more potential hazards and spinblock throughout the game. Making the HP EVs 252 and moving the defense to 4 should suffice. However, I think the 252 SpA spread with sash should be mentioned in AC since the guarenteed survival with a stronger Ice attack has its benefits.

    Additionally, I think Ice Beam should be the main option since Blizzard only applies to Hail teams. Froslass is viable on plenty of other teams so Ice Beam should be listed first.

    I also don't see the point in Specs (or LO) Froslass and don't think it should even have an OO mention. Its rather weak and so is its movepool and is outclassed entirely by Gengar. An Ice type attack brings nothing new to the table in tandem with Shadow Ball.
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    SubDisable Froslass could work well, arguably better than Gengar since Cursed Body hax can activate at the best of times. Gengar however has one more immunity and a useable SAtk stat. Could be an OO mention at best, I think.
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    Furthermore, SubFusion Froslass works incredibly well in hail. With both Snow Cloak and Confuse Ray working in tandem, opponents have a meager 40% chance of hitting you with a 100% accurate move.

    I run a set like this on my hail team:


    Froslass - "SubFusion"
    Leftovers
    -Substitute
    -Confuse Ray
    -Blizzard / Ice Beam
    -Shadow Ball / Hex
    248 HP / 228 Def / 32 Spe

    With the given HP EVs, it can survive through four Substitutes. If you can force a switch with Froslass, you have plenty of time to set up a Sub, get off a quick Confuse Ray, and then pummel with two attacks of your choice. The Defensive EVs could definitely be allocated somewhere else; I run a stall team so I chose to make it a bit bulkier.

    As honorable mentions, Froslass can semi-phaze with Fake Tears if needed. It also learns Weather Ball, which is incredibly unique if you're running a Hail team. With more power than Ice Beam, it hits just fine under Hail. Furthermore, it is a nice surprise for Sun teams as you obtain a 100 Base Fire-type attack to mess with their grass teammates. Having a Rock-type move under Sandstorm can mess with plenty of Pokemon, while having a Water-type move with Rain isn't necessarily a bad thing, especially when Fire-types will be itching to switch in.
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    Bullet Punch Machamp, Night Slash Weavile, and Stone Edge Aerodactyl should be put into Checks and Counters, and a slash next to leftovers for Focus Sash.
  10. elDino

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    Still waiting for some QC approvals on this...
    Bump!
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    Looks fine.

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  12. TheMogRunner

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    It's is sad, it looks like froslass is going away... it was a great lead for me in gen 4.
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    Thanks for the check Bloo, two more to go!
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    Good job

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    Does that actually work in game?

    I haven't tested it out on P-O because I wasn't sure if it would work.
  17. Saladbagle

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    Frolass? I think you mean Froslass.
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    Mention Icy Wind in OO to slow down faster targets for Destiny Bond
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    Ok, bumping this since it is now ready for GP!
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    [Overview]

    <p>Froslass is a Pokemon that has a few key traits keeping it from being a viable contender for a consistent spot in the OU metagame. Its unique Ghost- and Ice-typing gives it a niche in that no other Pokemon shares its great dual STABs. However, the Ice-type that Froslass sportsoften seems to be its downfall, as it brings many common weaknesses to Fire-, Rock-, and Steel-type attacks, meaning that most Pokemon will have a super effective move on Froslass, as when compounded with its Ghost-typing and weaknesses to Dark- and Ghost-type attacks, there's not much that Froslass actually resists Froslass's typing will also prove to be its downfall ultimately, as it gives Froslass weaknesses to common Fire-, Rock-, and Ghost-type attacks, meaning many Pokemon can bring Froslass down with ease. Froslass's main boon though, is its ability to both set up Spikes and block Rapid Spin, simultaneously. With Taunt, it can also block opposing setup, meaning that the opponent is forced to attack Frolass, and this can be easily remedied with Destiny Bond, giving Froslass a free KO. All in all, Froslass can work well as an offensive Spikes user, and it fits exceptionally well on hail teams thanks to its ability, Snow Cloak, and a 100% accurate Blizzard. Sub-par stats and a mediocre movepool on the whole stop Froslass from being really effective, but if it is used with the right team support, Froslass can be an effective Pokemon. Not exceptional; effective.</p> (join the two paragraphs)

    [SET]
    name: Spikes
    move 1: Spikes
    move 2: Taunt
    move 3: Ice Beam / Blizzard
    move 4: Destiny Bond
    item: Leftovers
    ability: Snow Cloak
    nature: Timid
    evs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Froslass's only truly viable set in OU; one that abuses Spikes, perhaps its only asset. Since being relegated to UU, Froslass has been a potent threat, however, in the higher tier that we know as OU, Froslass truly lacks the stats and typing to be effective offensively Froslass's lone niche in the OU metagame is the combination of its high Speed, access to Spikes, and Ghost typing. This simple Spikes set allows Froslass to abuse its access to the fairly exclusive move, and when this is combined with in conjunction with its Ghost typing, it means that Froslass can set up Spikes without worrying about them being spun away. Taunt is another great move in Froslass's arsenal, and it is abused to the fullest on this set. Froslass is easily able to prevent other Pokemon from setting up, thanks to its great speed in conjunction with Taunt allowing Froslass to prevent other Pokemon from setting up most of the time thanks to its high base 110 Speed. The final support move that Froslass is able to offer is Destiny Bond. When combined with Taunt In conjunction with Taunt, Froslass can easily score itself a KO, as the opponent is forced to attack, meaning that Froslass brings it down as well. There are two options for an offensive move. Ice Beam is Froslass's most reliable STAB move, having a decent Base Power as well. However, when considering the fact that Froslass is mostly used only on hail teams to abuse Snow Cloak, Blizzard can be used for its higher Base Power and chance to freeze.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Froslass can utilize a plethora of options in its attacking moveslot. Ice Beam is the primary slash, as it has the best coverage along with good power. As Froslass will often find itself on a hail team, to abuse its ability, Blizzard is an acceptable option, and the higher chance of a freeze is greatly appreciated by it. The EV spread maximizes Froslass's Speed and HP, allowing it to set up entry hazards with ease most of the time. Froslass can run some other attacking options instead of Ice Beam or Blizzard. Shadow Ball can also be used, as it utilizes Froslass's secondary STAB, while allowing it to deals significant damage to Psychic-types such as Reuniclus. However, Froslass then passes up the opportunity to act as a check to Garchomp, Landorous, and Gliscor; three of the premier threats in the metagame. Finally, Froslass can choose to use Icy Wind in the last slot, to slow down an opposing Pokemon, allowing it to get off the Destiny Bond first, almost 100% most of the time.</p>

    <p>Regarding EVs, Froslass can tweak its spread in a few different ways. Firstly, by putting all the EVs from HP into Shifting all the HP EVs to Special Attack is viable, as Froslass's attacking move gains a lot more power, allowing it do significant damage to bulkier Pokemon. For example, an unboosted Reuniclus is now 2HKOed by Shadow Ball, meaning that it cannot reliably switch in. Other changes include buffing up Froslass's defenses, as it will allow Froslass to more reliably set up more Spikes. However, the EV spread listed is more reliable, as it gives Froslass perhaps the best combination of bulk and Speed available. Cursed Body can also be used over Snow Cloak, and it is perhaps the better option outside hail. However, since Froslass should be used on a hail team most of the time, Snow Cloak is the premier option, and Froslass won't be taking too many hits on it's with its frail defenses anyway.</p>

    <p>When looking for teammates to pair up with Froslass, the one Pokemon that should be used is Abomasnow. Having the Snow Tree Pokemon on your team is a real boon for Froslass, as it allows it to abuse it's Snow Cloak ability, perhaps allowing it to set up another layer of Spikes if an attack misses Abomasnow comes to mind immediately. The hail which it brings allows Froslass to dodge attacks occasionally and set up another layer of Spikes, not to mention the fact that Blizzard will also have perfect accuracy. Also, Froslass will be able to spam a base 120 power Blizzard, and that can dent any switch-in, while offering a high chance to freeze. As Froslass will be setting up Spikes, a Pokemon that can force switches is a great teammate. Scizor is a great example, as it can U-turn away from out of Pokemon that it threatens, forcing them the switch-on to take damage as they switch into from Spikes. Phazers also work very well here, and Latias is a good example of a consistent phazer Phazers such as Latias also work well.</p>

    <p>Steel-types are perhaps the best counters to Froslass. Scizor is the best overall, as it can KO Froslass with Bullet Punch before it uses Destiny Bond with Bullet Punch, while taking it out with Pursuit if it decides to switch. Tyranitar is in a similar position, as both of its STABs are super effective, although it must watch out for Destiny Bond. The main thing to remember when countering Froslass, is that there is always the threat of Destiny Bond. For this reason, it is better to counter it with a faster Pokemon that doesn't particularly mind Ice-type attacks. One such example is Choice Scarf Tyranitar.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>To be honest, Froslass can run a multitude of different sets, but none of them are very effective in OU. Substitute and Snow Cloak can make an effective set, but Froslass's base 90 Special Attack and poor bulk is are too low for it to run this effectively. Toxic can be used on all sets, and it gives Froslass a way to damage common switch-ins such as Tyranitar. However, it doesn't do much against the omnipresent Steel-types that Froslass will always find itself switching into it won't do anything to the Steel-types who often switch into Froslass. Finally, a Choice Specs set with Blizzard can do good damage, but on the whole it is outclassed by other Pokemon such as Kyurem.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>Scizor is perhaps the best counter to Froslass, as Bullet Punch and Pursuit allows it to easily be KOed easily take down Froslass. Tyranitar is in the same position also makes a fine check, as it can Pursuit a fleeing Froslass, while it threatening with Crunch or Stone Edge should Froslass stay in. Ironically, entry hazards are a major flaw for Froslass, as they will really wear Froslass down, as it takes 25% from Stealth Rock, and full damage from Spikes. Finally, any Steel-type will almost completely wall Froslass, and they can safely take it down with their STAB attacks, providing Froslass is not using Destiny Bond.</p>

    [Dream World]

    <p>Cursed Body is certainly a respectable ability for Froslass. It's a toss up between which ability is chosen for Froslass, as Snow Cloak is superior most of the time, sinceCursed Body only activates when Froslass is hit. However, Froslass will often be KOed by the hit that activates Cursed Body, making it much less effective when compared to Snow Cloak. Cursed Body might appear to be a decent ability on paper, but Froslass is so frail that it will often get KOed by the hit that activates Cursed Body, making Snow Cloak superior most of the time.</p>


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    Thanks for the GP check Calm Pokemaster, changes implemented.
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    Very good write up!
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    Thank you for the check NixHex, it helped a lot!
    I implemented most of your changes, it all seems good now. Just waiting for one more check...
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    OK, changes implemented.
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