Fundamental steps to a better Arceus slayer

[trickroom]

Arceus is too powerful? I don't think so...Even with 17 formes and each one has multiple sets, countering fully EVed Arceus isn't as hard as you might think.

NOTE: I don't like using Arceus but I am posting this so you can know how to deal with that phat horse.

Arceus Introduction: Base 120 in every single stat, plus a ton of moves to choose from, Arceus can do basically anything? I doubt it. Arceus can become any type in the game as long as it holds the right plate. However, there are only 3 different kinds of Arceus that you should prepare for. Every set has it's own counters, and I will try to list all the possible counters.

For those of you who are still hiding in caves (quoted from Vulcan Fury), this thread will show you how to deal with Arceus.

Bug Arceus:

Calm Mind: Blissey, Chansey, Heatran, Ho-Oh, Reshiram, Giratina, Dialga(with Toxic), Skarmory*(watchout for Fire-type moves! Skarmory can Toxic, Spikes or Whirlwind it out.)Scarf Terrakion

Swords Dance: Giratina, Groudon, Lugia, Skarmory, Ho-Oh, Giratina-O(with Will-O-Wisp)Scarf Terrakion, Reshiram

Dark Arceus

Mono Attacker: Snatch Chansey and Blissey, Ho-Oh, Ferrothorn, Heatran, Heracross, Bulk Up Dialga, Kyogre*(Kyogre lacks recovery and needs Calm Mind Rest to beat Arceus), Scizor, Skarmory* ( Skarmory can't kill Dark Arceus but can Toxic and phaze it out), Tyranitar, Terrakion

Calm Mind: Blissey, Chansey, Kyogre, Ho-Oh, Scizor, Heracross, Scarf Terrakion

Dragon Arceus

Calm Mind: Blissey, Dialga*(needs Specs or Scarf), Heatran*(without Earth Power), Ho-Oh, Ferrothorn(without Fire-type attacks), Zekrom*(Scarf only and can't switch in)

Swords Dance: Bronzong, Groudon*, Lugia*, Skarmory, Zekrom*(Scarf), Palkia*(Scarf), Dialga*(Scarf), Ferrothorn*(physically defensive)

Electric Arceus

Calm Mind: Blissey, Chansey, Dialga (Bulk Up), Garchomp* (without Ice Beam), Groudon*(watchout for Ice Beam or Grass Knot), Gastrodon, Reshiram(Specs), Excadrill

Fighting Arceus

Calm Mind: Blissey, Chansey, Ho-Oh, Lugia*(hates Ice Beam), Rayquaza*(no Ice Beam), Mewtwo, Shaymin-S (without Ice Beam), Kyogre*

Swords Dance: Cresselia, Groudon, Giratina, Giratina-O, Ho-Oh*(watchout for Stone Edge), Lugia, Shaymin-S* (Fighting Arceus's physical STAB attack sucks)

Fire Arceus

Calm Mind: Chansey, Blissey, Ho-Oh, Kyogre, Gastrodon, Terrakion, Tyranitar, Zekrom(Scarf)

Flying Arceus

Calm Mind: Chansey, Blissey, Dialga, Ho-Oh, Heatran, Jirachi, Kyogre, Lugia, Tyranitar

Ghost Arceus

Calm Mind: Blissey, Chansey, Darkrai*, Dialga* (cannot stop Focus Blast variants), Heatran*(watch out for Focus Blast!), Ho-Oh, Togekiss, Scizor

Swords Dance: Groudon, Skarmory, Lugia* + Chansey* / Blissey* ( Shadow Force variants), Ferrothorn(physically defensive), Scizor*(needs Toxic and Defense investment), Kyogre*(Scarf or Bulky)

Defensive: Ho-Oh, Chansey, Blissey, Skarmory, Reshiram, Kyogre

Grass Arceus

Calm Mind: Blissey, Chansey, Dialga (needs Toxic or Bulk Up) Ho-Oh, Lugia, Skarmory* (without Flamethrower), Ferrothorn with Toxic, Reshiram, Heatran

Ground Arceus

Calm Mind: Blissey, Bronzong(With Toxic), Chansey, Ho-Oh, Cresselia(needs Toxic), Lugia, Kyogre, Shaymin-S, Skarmory(Toxic)

Swords Dance: Cresselia, Ferrothorn(physically defensive and has Power Whip), Lugia*(watch out for boosted Stone Edge if Stealth Rock is out), Kyogre* (needs Choice Scarf or physically defensive), Giratina, Giratina-O, Gliscor, Shaymin-S, Skarmory

Ice Arceus

Calm Mind: Blissey, Chansey, Heatran* (without Earth Power or Focus Blast), Heracross(Choice Scarf), Ho-Oh, Metagross* (without Earth Power), Jirachi* (without Earth Power), Scizor*(Fire Blast will kill), Terrakion(Choice Scarf), Tyranitar*(without Focus Blast)

Normal Arceus

Swords Dance: Giratina, Groudon, Ferrothorn(physically defensive), Lugia, Skarmory* (without Overheat), Terrakion(Scarf)

Defensive: Heatran, Ho-Oh, Reshiram, Lugia, Chansey, Blissey, Heracross, Giratina, Terrakion(Choice Band), Mewtwo, Darkrai, Kyogre

Poison Arceus

Calm Mind: Mewtwo, Excadrill, Gastrodon, Garchomp*(Scarf), Groudon*, Ho-Oh, Heatran* (without Earth Power), Skarmory* (without a Fire-type move), Giratina(Calm Mind), Metagross*(without Earth Power), Dialga(Bulk Up, and hates Earth Power)

Psychic Arceus

Calm Mind: Lugia, Metagross, Jirachi, Scizor, Heracross(Scarf)

Rock Arceus

Mono Attacker: Blissey, Chansey, Dialga*(Bulk Up), Garchomp, Groudon, Kyogre, Gastrodon, Palkia*(without sand), Ferrothorn, Excadrill, Metagross, Scizor*(can only revenge weakened ones), Terrakion, Heracross, Jirachi. NOTE: All of the physical attacker bar Heracross has to be wary of Will-O-Wisp.

Calm Mind: Blissey, Chansey, Dialga*(Bulk Up or use Toxic), Garchomp*( beware of Will-O-Wisps or Ice Beam), Groudon*(watch out for Will-O-Wisp), Kyogre, Gastrodon, Palkia*(without sand), Ferrothorn*(hates burn and dies to Fire-type attacks), Excadrill*(only in sand and hates burn or Fire-type moves), Metagross(without Will-O-Wisp and non-Fire-type attack variants only, Scizor*(can only revenge weakened ones), Terrakion(don't get burned!), Heracross, Jirachi*(Fire Blast kills)

Swords Dance: Bronzong, Groudon, Giratina, Ferrothorn, Kyogre*(Scarf or physically defensive)

Support: Chansey, Blissey, Dialga(with Toxic), Kyogre, Heracross, Gastrodon, Excadrill(only in sand), Giratina*(will end in a stall war unless Giratina has Toxic)

Steel Arceus

Calm Mind: Garchomp*(Scarf and cannot OHKO Arceus), Groudon(hates burn), Heatran, Ho-Oh, Heracross, Gastrodon, Kyogre(Calm Mind), Terrakion(Scarf), Reshiram, Zekrom*(stops Arceus without Will-O-Wisps only)

Swords Dance: Ho-Oh, Groudon, Garchomp(Scarf), Kyogre, Lugia*(can't hurt Arceys back but phaze), Ferrothorn*(can't immediately threaten Arceus), Giratina, Skarmory*(can only phaze or set up Spikes), Terrakion(Scarf)

Water Arceus

Calm Mind: Chansey, Blissey, Ferrothorn, Kyogre* (needs Calm Mind and Thunder), Palkia*(Choice Specs), Dialga*(Bulk Up or Toxic), Gastrodon, Zekrom(Scarf)

Swords Dance: Dialga*(without Earthquake), Groudon, Giratina, Lugia*(hates rain-boosted +2 Waterfall), Ferrothorn, Zekrom(Scarf), Kyogre*(needs Thunder to KO or use Roar to phaze)

Support: Kyogre, Lugia, Chansey, Blissey, Ferrothorn* (watchout for burn), Zekrom(Choice Scarf), Dialga, Giratina(Calm Mind or win with a stall war)

To make things better, I made a poll so you can vote for it! Anyone can vote for multiple choices.

 

[Olijolly]

shit i voted on normal -_-;
anyways my vote goes for psychic set

 

[shrang]

Rock Arceus

Mono Attacker: Blissey, Chansey, Dialga*(Bulk Up), Garchomp, Groudon, Kyogre, Gastrodon, Palkia*(without sand), Ferrothorn, Excadrill, Metagross, Scizor*(can only revenge weakened ones), Terrakion, Heracross, Jirachi

The counters listed depend on what Rock Arceus is running as its filler move. Every physical attacker listed in there, with the exception of Dialga and Heracross need to watch out for Will-O-Wisp, while Blissey and Chansey will lose if it's running Refresh (I guess you can play the Snatch Blissey/Chansey game as well).

And how come you haven't got any supporting Arceus's in there? Yeah, they're not hard to counter, but they are all very legit sets.

 

[trickroom]

I already put Support Normal and Ghost Arceus in earlier. Forgot to mention Will-O-Wisp in the mono Attacker.

 

[TM13IceBeam]

Is there a "all are balanced" option in the poll?

Because IMO outside of Normal Arceus I think the others are pretty much equal. Each have their pros and cons.

 

[Olijolly]

True that each have their pros and cons but there are some that stAnd out other than the normal type, such as steel and ghost type arceus sets
I reAlly can't see things like psychic arceus and flying arceus having the same overall usefulness thAn steel arceus for example
Hmm

 

[fifaking]

my brother is one of the many n00bs i know that loves using that really cheap pokemon but uses crappy evs and movesets i vote bug just because of how easy it is to kill with my charizard and the fact that bugs just plain suck

 

[Vabolo]

my brother is one of the many n00bs i know that loves using that really cheap pokemon but uses crappy evs and movesets i vote bug just because of how easy it is to kill with my charizard and the fact that bugs just plain suck

 

[Stratos]

The poll at the top doesn't make much sense and you forgot about Extremekill Arceus

 

[ssbbm]

The poll at the top doesn't make much sense and you forgot about Extremekill Arceus

Oh, so Extremekill is a type now i see...?

 

[Fireburn]

The worst Arceus type is pretty much completely up to personal preference.

I do not see any intelligent discussion coming from this, unfortunately. Locked.