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Gardevoir (Update) [QC 3/3] (GP 2/2) ~DONE~

Discussion in 'Uploaded Analyses' started by ebeast, Apr 22, 2012.

  1. ebeast

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    [Overview]

    <p>Gardevoir is the embodiment of class; just look at that dress and hairstyle! With Mesprit saying its farewells from NU, Gardevoir has a chance to be in the spotlight as a Psychic-type supporter, filling in the hole that Mesprit left in our hearts. Don't let that pretty face fool you; Gardevoir is not a Pokemon to be messed with. Equipped with an incredibly high base 125 Special Attack stat, the ever so useful Trace ability, a splendid base 115 Special Defense stat, and versatility that extends even farther than the length of her gown, Gardevoir will keep you guessing what she will do next. Even in a tier where the most dangerous threats include Dark-type Pokemon and weather abusers such as Absol, Charizard, Exeggutor, Gorebyss, and Ludicolo, Gardevoir can find a way in her purse of tricks to deal with them. Sadly not everything is sunshine and rainbows for our dainty little dancer. Her HP, Defense, and Speed stats are a little disappointing, and allow faster physical attackers to prey on her. However, her positive traits are so great that they usually overshadow her negatives and if played right, she will provide irreplaceable support to her trainer. Overall, Gardevoir is a solid choice for any team, who many will consider for her unique qualities that no other Pokemon in NU can claim to possess.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Choice
    move 1: Psychic
    move 2: Signal Beam
    move 3: Focus Blast
    move 4: Trick / Thunderbolt
    item: Choice Scarf / Choice Specs
    ability: Trace
    nature: Modest / Timid
    evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>With an incredible base 125 Special Attack stat, a decent base 80 Speed, and the amazing Trace ability, Gardevoir has everything she needs to succeed with a Choice set. Trace allows Gardevoir to copy a foe's Tangela's Regenerator, a Flareon or Rapidash's Flash Fire, a Raichu's Lightningrod, or even a weather abuser's Swift Swim or Chlorophyll, and use it against them. Alongside Trace, Gardevoir also has a base 115 Special Defense and can use them both to get many free switchins and wreak havoc on an enemy team. What's more fun than switching in your bulky Gardevoir into a weak Tangela's attack, forcing it out and get a free hit on something, then switching out and healing 33% of her health? Did your Gardevoir happen to accidentally switch into a Thunder Wave? Trace an Altaria's Natural Cure and getting rid of it, fearing nothing but the uncommon Specs Draco Meteor. As you can see, Trace has many uses, but the most prominent one would be using it to check the horde of weather teams that Ludicolo, Charizard, and Sawsbuck have popularized. By having Trace copy their weather-based ability Gardevoir can outspeed and take out dangerous opponents such as Victreebel, Sawsbuck, Charizard, Ludicolo, Shiftry, Gorebyss, and Exeggutor.</p>

    <p>Gardevoir has a massive movepool, many different moves to choose from, and many ways for her to achieve desirable coverage. Psychic and Focus Blast provide excellent coverage together, are only walled by Psychic-type Pokemon, and hit many weather sweepers very hard. The only weather sweeper not hit super effectively by Psychic and Focus Blast is Exeggutor, which can easily be taken down regardless of investment with Signal Beam, something Shadow Ball cannot do against even an Exeggutor with no investment in HP or defenses. Signal Beam also provides good coverage against both Psychic- and Dark-type foes should you need a more reliable move to hit Absol on the switch than Focus Blast. With such fantastic coverage, Gardevoir is given a free choice for her last move: Trick or Thunderbolt. Trick allows Gardevoir to dump her Choice item on troublesome special walls such as Lickilicky or Flareon who can status and take advantage of our poor maiden. Thunderbolt on the other hand gives Choice Scarf Gardevoir a weapon against Gorebyss and Huntail. While Choice Scarf is the recommended item, Choice Specs is also viable and can check the slower weather sweepers such as Victreebel, Shiftry, Seismitoad, Armaldo, Carracosta, Gorebyss, and Exeggutor. </p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>As with any offensive Pokemon, Gardevoir highly appreciates entry hazard support as the extra damage can allow a Choice Scarf set to OHKO Gorebyss, Ludicolo, or Huntail without using Thunderbolt. The Choice Specs set appreciates Stealth Rock and Spikes, which give it the ability to 2HKO even defensive behemoths such as Hypno, Altaria, and Flareon. Psychic-, Bug-, and Fighting-type attacks achieve perfect coverage in NU—barring the uncommon Shedinja—but if you feel that Shedinja is a huge threat to your team, or if you are using Choice Specs, Shadow Ball is a perfect alternative to Signal Beam, as Gardevoir retains the awesome coverage while hitting Shedinja and OHKOing Exeggutor. Thunderbolt should only be considered on sets using Choice Scarf because it is only used to take down Gorebyss and Huntail in one hit without any prior damage. Choice Specs sets on the other hand have the ability to OHKO those threats cleanly with just Psychic. Most Pokemon under base 80
    Speed that use Choice Scarf do not run Speed boosting natures, so Modest is the way to go, but Timid can be used to ensure that Gardevoir always outpaces these foes, and is the preferred nature for Choice Specs sets. Like any other Psychic-type Pokemon in NU, Gardevoir absolutely hates Dark-type Pokemon and nothing sucks more than to have Skuntank switch into your Psychic and trap Gardevoir with Pursuit. Fighting-type Pokemon such as Sawk, Throh, and Gurdurr make quick work of both Absol and Skuntank and have good offensive synergy with Gardevoir, as they can remove each other's counters.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Dual Screens
    move 1: Reflect
    move 2: Light Screen
    move 3: Memento / Psychic
    move 4: Taunt / Psychic
    item: Light Clay
    ability: Trace
    nature: Timid
    evs: 252 HP / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>By utilizing Gardevoir's superb defenses, good Speed, and awesome movepool consisting of rare moves such as Memento, you get the best offensive supporter NU has to offer. With this set's EV spread Gardevoir can use her great base 80 Speed to quickly set up Reflect and Light Screen, further augmenting her already sturdy defenses and support her teammates by giving them a much easier time setting up. As the best Pokemon with access to Reflect, Light Screen, and Memento in NU, only facing competition from Jumpluff—which would have more potential running other sets—Gardevoir doesn't have to 'Wish' to get chosen for a team slot. This is because of this set's ability to support teams of any kind, giving offensive teams a cushion against attacks allowing for a swiftly executed Swords Dance from the likes of Samurott to finish off a game, or even giving balanced teams the extra bulk needed to counter threats and still retain the power to hit back hard. Memento doesn't only act as a bulletproof vest that beefs up the effects of Dual Screens; as it sharply decreases an enemy's Attack and Special Attack, it essentially acts as a one turn Reflect and Light Screen, potentially giving a teammate the chance to set up. Taunt allows Gardevoir to prevent Pokemon such as Regirock, Probopass, and Musharna from setting up, all of which could otherwise use moves such as Thunder Wave, Stealth Rock, or Calm Mind, respectively. Gardevoir's Trace ability comes into play when using this set as well, giving her Regenerator from Tangela or Flash Fire from Flareon, which can aid her in setting up Reflect and Light Screen multiple times in a match.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>As with any Dual Screen user, Gardevoir seeks only to help her teammates, and without a proper offensive partner, she fails as a support Pokemon. Pairing Gardevoir up with Pokemon such as Samurott, Absol, Drifblim, Altaria, Linoone, Charizard, Gorebyss, Carracosta, Huntail, Zangoose, Sawsbuck, or Raichu that can boost their own stats but otherwise would find it difficult to set up will make the most out of Gardevoir's screens. While the last two moveslots on this set seem redundant with Psychic being slashed twice, this set can run a myriad of move combinations effectively. Memento should be used with either Taunt or Psychic, but can also be replaced to use both Psychic and Taunt on the same set. Gardevoir appreciates help from Alomomola to take on physical hits and provide Wish support to Gardevoir and her partners to allow her to rally a dual screens offense for much longer. This set can also run Thunder Wave or Focus Blast for additional support, as Thunder Wave can cripple any powerful attackers attempting to freely switch in while Gardevoir sets up a Reflect or Light Screen, and Focus Blast cleanly OHKOes Absol on the switch.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Weather Support
    move 1: Sunny Day / Rain Dance
    move 2: Healing Wish
    move 3: Psychic
    move 4: Taunt
    item: Heat Rock / Damp Rock
    ability: Trace
    nature: Calm
    evs: 240 HP / 184 SpD / 84 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Gardevoir is the best weather supporter in NU; while Volbeat ha access to priority weather, Gardevoir has many more options to support weather teams beyond just setting up 8 turns of blistering sun or drenching rain, such as the coveted Healing Wish, the amazing Trace ability, a great Psychic typing that allows her to set up on many Pokemon, and Taunt to prevent slower Pokemon from stopping Gardevoir from doing her job. Psychic—Gardevoir's main STAB move—allows her to deal heavy damage to Fighting-type Pokemon such as Sawk and Gurdurr and generally hits many things very hard. Taunt allows Gardevoir to prevent other Pokemon from setting up and from even Taunting her. Her excellent ability, Trace, lets her set up weather against Pokemon such as Raichu, Flareon, or Tangela with ease by copying their abilities and shutting them down. Healing Wish is the icing on the cake, capable of completely healing one of your weather sweepers, such as Charizard or Gorebyss, preventing them from falling into the gory abyss of death for another chance to bring forth opposition's inevitable demise. Healing Wish takes place before the damage from entry hazards so even Pokemon that would normally die as soon as they come in are given another chance thanks to Gardevoir's sacrifice. As strong as the power of friendship is, having Gardevoir use Healing Wish will not allow for the revival of an already fallen comrade.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>84 Speed EVs allow Gardevoir to outspeed uninvested base 90 Speed Pokemon, such as Vigoroth or Golbat, which are commonly used to Taunt and stallbreak. 240 HP EVs and 184 Special Defense EVs give Gardevoir higher specially defensive bulk than 252 HP and 172 Special Defense EVs and allows her to survive an extra turn of Toxic or burn damage thanks to hitting 337 HP. As this set aims to support a team with weather, Pokemon who can capitalize on said weather such as Charizard, Sawsbuck, Shiftry, Victreebel, Gorebyss, Ludicolo, Seismitoad, Huntail, or Armaldo are recommended. Since Gardevoir and her gorgeous figure attract creepy Dark-type Pokemon, such as Skuntank and Absol, that like to stalk and Pursuit her to the depths of hell, an overprotective Fighting-type Pokemon such as Sawk or Gurdurr are recommended to teach those creeps a lesson. Gardevoir can even do some rejection of her own by luring in Absol and OHKOing it with Focus Blast, though this doesn't work the same way against Skuntank, who isn't weak to Focus Blast and is bulky enough to take the hit.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Offensive Calm Mind
    move 1: Calm Mind
    move 2: Psychic
    move 3: Focus Blast
    move 4: Shadow Ball
    item: Life Orb
    ability: Trace
    nature: Timid
    evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>With Jynx being banned from NU, nobody 'shed a manly tear'; instead, they looked for the most suitable replacement regardless, and this is what they found. Gardevoir is a powerful Pokemon with her base 125 Special Attack stat, good base 80 Speed, great coverage, bulk perfectly fitting for Calm Mind, and the right ability to abuse these traits in Trace. With an excellent base 115 Special Defense stat and the Trace ability, Gardevoir can find many opportunities to set up a Calm Mind on weaker special attackers or attackers whose own abilities can be used against them, such as Amoonguss, Vileplume, Raichu, Altaria, or Flareon. From there Gardevoir can use her amazing coverage to sweep the opponent's team. To illustrate the power behind this set, +1 Gardevoir is capable of OHKOing both specially defensive Lickilicky and Cryogonal with Focus Blast. (Stealth Rock is needed to guarantee the KO on Cryogonal). Another extremely specially defensive Pokemon, Hypno, is forced to choose between either geting a Wish or status off on Gardevoir before being 2HKOed.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>This set appreciates entry hazard support to help take down Flareon, Cryogonal, and Hypno much more easily and provide much more trouble and devastation than all of Team Rocket combined. Unfortunately, Gardevoir has enormous trouble dealing with Dark-type Pokemon such as Absol and Skuntank which can force her into a checkmate position, so good teammates include Fighting-type Pokemon such as Sawk, Emboar, or Gurdurr to dispose of them and provide Gardevoir a free window to set up and sweep. Unlike the Choice Scarf set, this Gardevoir runs Timid because Pokemon with base 80 Speed and lower tend to run positive a Speed nature when not using Choice Scarf. Pairing Gardevoir with special attackers such as Gorebyss, Altaria, or Serperior that generally get walled by Gardevoir's traditional counters appreciate her ability to lure in traditional counters and take them down. Although the moves listed are the best for the job, Gardevoir can still mix and match some of them. Signal Beam is usable on this set, but because Gardevoir is boosting her damage output, a Shadow Ball will take down Exeggutor regardless. Psyshock is also an option over Psychic to take down specially defensive Altaria with Stealth Rock on the field.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Defensive Calm Mind
    move 1: Substitute / Will-O-Wisp
    move 2: Calm Mind
    move 3: Stored Power / Psychic
    move 4: Signal Beam
    item: Leftovers
    ability: Trace
    nature: Bold
    evs: 252 HP / 188 Def / 68 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>When one first looks at Gardevoir's stats, the ones that stand out are her outstanding Special Attack and Special Defense. With the help of Calm Mind and Trace, Gardevoir can use these stats to become very hard to stop. This set takes a more defensive approach towards Calm Mind and uses its Psychic typing, Trace, and good bulk to set up on Pokemon such as Alomomola and Sawk. Substitute allows Gardevoir to block status while setting up and provides a safeguard against physical attackers that might try to switch into Gardevoir and attempt to take her down before she becomes too troublesome. On the other hand, Will-O-Wisp forgoes the ability to block status for the option of crippling physical attackers to give Gardevoir a much easier time setting up. The combination of Psychic- and Bug-type attacks is the best 2-move coverage Gardevoir can get, because picking Thunderbolt as the coverage move leaves Gardevoir walled by Exeggutor. Considering that this set utilizes a bulkier EV spread, being able to set up two Calm Minds is easy. Stored Power gets the nod over Psychic for this reason, as the Base Power of Stored Power exceeds that of Psychic after two Calm Mind boosts.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>Although Psychic and Signal Beam are both resisted by the omnipresent Probopass, it poses absolutely no threat to Gardevoir. Gardevoir can utilize the beauty of the Substitute and Calm Mind strategy to set up safely, eventually winning the fight against Probopass one on one. Gardevoir is even capable to taking down Unaware Quagsire, as Unaware does not ignore the increased Base Power of Stored Power. However, Stored Power is extremely weak without any boosts so Psychic is the more reliable option to deal solid damage without the need to set up. Shadow Ball can be used over Signal Beam to hit most Psychic- or Ghost-type Pokemon harder, but loses coverage against Dark-type Pokemon. The EVs give Gardevoir good physical bulk and the ability to outspeed standard Misdreavus, which Gardevoir can set up on at +1 and cleanly OHKO at +3 with Stored Power. This set requires the support of teammates that can handle extremely powerful physical attackers. Tangela, Vileplume, and Amoonguss make excellent partners because they can easily wall physical attackers in NU and slowly weaken them with Leech Seed and Sleep Powder, strong STAB attacks, or Spore, respectively. Physical attackers that cannot be handled by the above teammates, such as Emboar and Rapidash, can be taken care of by Alomomola, which can provide Wish support for your team.</p>

    [SET]
    name: SubWisp
    move 1: Substitute
    move 2: Will-O-Wisp
    move 3: Psychic
    move 4: Focus Blast / Signal Beam
    item: Leftovers
    ability: Trace
    nature: Modest
    evs: 40 HP / 252 SAtk / 216 Spe

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>Who said that Gardevoir was restricted to either offense or support? This set combines both of her great attributes to create a dangerous Pokemon that supports her team along the way. This set aims to not only support Gardevoir's team with Will-O-Wisp but also have her take advantage of the burns by using Substitute and striking opposing Pokemon down with her powerful attacks. Psychic and Focus Blast provide excellent coverage, hitting Dark- and Steel-type Pokemon that are likely to switch into Gardevoir to force her out. However, the combination of Psychic- and Fighting-type moves is walled by the multitude of Psychic-type Pokemon in NU such as Exeggutor, Musharna, and opposing Gardevoir. For this reason Signal Beam is a very viable replacement for hitting both Dark- and Psychic-type Pokemon in exchange for losing coverage against Steel-type Pokemon such as Probopass and Bastiodon. As with any Gardevoir set, Trace is her gift from Arceus and allows her to function as well as she does. She can come in and set up on Pokemon such as Tangela and copy its Regenerator and other neat abilities, giving her a better chance of keeping her Substitute and causing as much damage to an enemy team as possible.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>This EV spread maximizes Gardevoir's Special Attack and provides her with enough Speed to outpace Adamant Absol so she can burn it before it can get in a Night Slash. Gardevoir can come in on Tangela or other Pokemon that have good abilities to take advantage of and freely set up Substitute to take down Pokemon commonly used in defensive cores, such as Tangela, Amoonguss, Probopass, and Quagsire. Shadow Ball can hit Psychic-type Pokemon, excluding Exeggutor, harder than Signal Beam and can hit Ghost-type Pokemon such as Drifblim, Haunter, or Misdreavus super effectively. Not being able to hit Absol super effectively is somewhat remedied by Will-O-Wisp. Extremely bulky Psychic-type Pokemon, such as Musharna, can take Signal Beam or even wall Gardevoir completely if she is using Focus Blast, and set up as many Calm Minds as they please. To prevent this from happening, Skuntank can be used and is an excellent partner that can get rid of the Psychic- or Ghost-type foes that stand in Gardevoir's way. This set cripples physical attacking walls and can take advantage of this by using Substitute and wearing them down with Gardevoir's powerful attacks. Pokemon such as Swellow, Braviary, or Gorebyss appreciate Gardevoir's ability to cripple Regirock, Golem, Probopass, or Lickilicky, giving them less to worry about when attempting to sweep.</p>

    [SET]
    name: Support
    move 1: Wish
    move 2: Protect / Heal Bell
    move 3: Will-O-Wisp / Toxic
    move 4: Psychic
    item: Leftovers
    ability: Trace
    nature: Calm
    evs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD

    [SET COMMENTS]

    <p>In a world where Mesprit has left the NU tier, one Pokemon now holds the key to tier supremacy. Gardevoir stars in "Rise to the Top" and plays the important role of the protagonist capable of taking a multitude of special attacks from the likes of Cryogonal, Samurott, Rotom-S, and Altaria and passing on her 'Wishful' sentiments to her friends in need. While the NU tier is not the stage for a Hollywood movie, all of Gardevoir's mentioned qualities are absolute fact. With an amazing base 115 Special Defense stat backed by a decent base 68 HP stat, Gardevoir is more than capable of taking hits from some of NU's scariest special attackers while being capable of healing herself and her teammates with Wish. However, there are two main things that differentiate Gardevoir from her only remaining competitor, Hypno: Gardevoir sports a much higher Special Attack stat and can deal significant damage to anything that doesn't resist Psychic, and holds access to Will-O-Wisp, a move Hypno could not get even in its dreams. Even while backed up by Will-O-Wisp, Gardevoir's Defense is not the greatest and physically defensive partners such as Tangela who can take on the physical attackers in NU and provide Sleep Power and Leech Seed support are recommended, while Gardevoir can return the favor with Heal Bell.</p>

    [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

    <p>With her excellent Special Attack stat, Gardevoir can take advantage of moves such as Psyshock to hit special walls such as Cryogonal, Altaria, or Flareon much harder than with Psychic.Thunder Wave is useful, as with good bulk and Wish, Gardevoir will last a long time and can spread paralysis throughout your opponent's team, allowing for slow, powerful Pokemon such as Marowak or Golem to have an easier time breaking down teams. Providing a secondary Heal Bell user is recommended, as Gardevoir appreciates being able to run Protect for scouting enemy movesets and guaranteeing Gardevoir heals herself with Wish. For this reason, partners such as Lickilicky, Flareon, or Audino are recommended as they have generally good type synergy with Gardevoir and provide enormous support with Wish and Heal Bell. While far from being set up fodder, defensive Gardevoir tends to attract offensive Ghost- and Dark-types, so partners such as Skuntank and Sawk, respectively can do a number on those Pokemon, and any injuries Gardevoir's partners suffer as a result can be healed by Gardevoir's Wish. Alternatively, this set can use a mixed spread such as 252 HP / 176 Def / 80 SpD with a Bold nature to handle Fighting-type Pokemon much better while still keeping good special defense.</p>

    [Other Options]

    <p>Gardevoir can utilize a neat Synchronize with Heal Bell set, but as long as you don't bring your Gardevoir in on a Regigigas or Slaking, Trace a much better ability as it is leagues more useful; Gardevoir should be avoiding status anyway. As Gardevoir has access to Encore and Destiny Bond, it would seem as though they could be used on some of her set. However, Gardevoir needs all the moveslots she has to attain sufficient coverage and to accomplish her goals. She can use Substitute with either Pain Split or Disable to disrupt the opponent. While both are viable (SubSplit focusing on beating special walls and SubDisable preventing the opponent from using a move to break Gardevoir's Substitute) the listed sets are are for a reason; they get the job done better than either SubSplit or SubDisable. Defensive and Offensive Calm Mind outclasses SubSplit in beating special walls and SubWisp disrupts the opponent better by not only helping Gardevoir keep her Substitute, but also burning the opponent.</p>

    [Checks and Counters]

    <p>While Gardevoir can be very hard to counter outright since you never know what set she could be using, Skuntank is the key exception and can take anything any Gardevoir set has, bar Will-O-Wisp, and Pursuit trap her. Scraggy can come in on Support or Defensive Calm Mind sets and set up Bulk Up freely, not minding Will-O-Wisp thanks to its access to Rest and Shed Skin. Absol severely threatens Gardevoir with Sucker Punch, although sets with Substitute can attempt to play around it. Potent special walls such as Lickilicky, Flareon, and Cryogonal fear nothing from Choice sets except Trick and can cripple Gardevoir with Toxic. Cryogonal, especially, can beat Support and Defensive Calm Mind sets with its access to Haze and Toxic. Musharna can come in on Gardevoir and take advantage of her Support, Choice, or SubWisp sets and freely set up on her, but has to watch out for Trick, Taunt, and boosted Signal Beams.</p>
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    Hmm, I searched for Thunder Wave here and found nothing. Thunder Wave can be really useful, especially on the Weather support set, since paralyzing the foe makes it easier for Gorebyss etc. to set up (if you're using that). At least in my experience. At least make a mention of it in AC imo.
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    Well, this will be a monster to check.

    [Overview]
    • Mention that Gardevoir is one of the best dual screen users in NU.

    [Weather Supporter AC]
    • Mention good teammates for Gardevoir. (Pokemon that do well in weather and against stuff that switch into Gardevoir, such as Absol)

    [Choice Scarf]
    • Rename the set name to Choice and add Choice Specs in the mix. Choice Specs Gardevoir is also very good; it just doesn't check weather that well.

    [Offensive Calm Mind]
    • You made the item Choice Scarf, lol. Replace Choice Scarf with Life Orb / Leftovers.

    [Offensive Calm Mind AC]
    • Add Psyshock.

    [SubWisp]
    • Replace Signal Beam with Focus Blast; Signal Beam is pretty weak and Focus Blast gets better overall coverage.

    [Other Options]
    • Remove Choice Specs
    • Add Thunder Wave

    [Checks and Counters]
    • Add Cryogonal, Absol (shaky check, but whatever), Jynx, Misdreavus, Musharna, and Quagsire.
    • Mention that its checks and counters differ from set to set; because of that, it's a very hard Pokemon to check until you acquire that information.

    Good skeleton; you should try to expand most of the AC's, though.
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    Added TWave to Weather Support and Support AC. Will add DTC's checks now, though I was amazed that I actually forgot to change Offensive CM's item to Life Orb, I C/P'd the Set thing and filled it in. Rofl

    EDIT: Fixed everything, but decided to keep Quagsire out of checks and counters since every single set has a way to deal with it or doesn't mind it. Weather Support sets up its weather, Choice Tricks or deals great damage to it, both CM sets kill it(Offensive 2HKOes and Defensive uses Stored Power to get passed it), SubWisp beats it as with passive damage from burn Psychic is a 2HKO, Dual Screens sets up its screens, and support burns or Toxics it
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    Okay, I think the sets need to be re-ordered in terms of importance / usage. Here's what I'd do...

    Choice Scarf
    Dual Screens
    Weather Support
    Offensive Calm Mind
    Defensive Calm Mind
    Support


    The Choice Scarf set is a pretty potent revenge killer and destroys a lot of Rain Dance / Sunny Day teams, which is the main reason why I'd use it over something like Musharna. Dual Screens and Weather Support are also good and are some of Gardevoir's best niches, so they should also get high priority. Then there's the Calm Mind sets; while they're good, they aren't really a unique niche for Gardevoir, and if I wanted a Calm Mind user, Gardevoir wouldn't be the first Pokemon I'd think of, whereas that is the case for the previous three roles. If people prefer the Calm Mind sets then they can go higher, this is just my personal preference. As for Support, I'd rather use Misdreavus honestly, but Gardevoir has enough niches to warrant a set.

    Imo you should move SubWisp to OO and describe it there in a few sentences; it does some cool stuff but I don't think it's particularly notable. This is going to be a long-ass analysis as it is and the less clutter it has, the better.
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    Expanded a few ACs and some set comments a bit and added Scraggy as a Counter to the Support set

    EDIT: Yeah the order of the sets is what had me struggling the most TBH, I'll go right ahead on work on that. I'm not too convinced about putting SubWisp in OO it can lure in its common switch ins such as Absol or Skuntank and cripple them, something no other set can do. Can more QC members give their opinion on the matter?
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    That sounds good. Maybe Will-O-Wisp should also be in the AC of Offensive and Defensive Calm Mind? It does get past Quagsire which is nice.

    The AC's look fine now, EBeast. :)
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    Not sure about WoW on Offensive CM but for Defensive yeah that would definitely work. In fact its better than Reflect on that set, the only Pokemon it will miss Reflect for is Emboar
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    Thanks Steammy, I think is now officially ready for QC checking unless my crappy eyes have missed another thing
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    On the Weather Support set, I wouldn't necessarily say that it's the -best- since Volbeat and Illumise exist and they have priority Rain Dance / Sunny Day, which is really cool. It's definitely one of the best, though. I'd also mention Focus Blast in the AC, probably over Taunt; Absol is a huge problem for weather teams in general, so it'd be great to hit it on the switch-in with such a huge lure (Focus Blast OHKOes without any investment). Focus Blast also lets it avoid being complete set-up bait for Absol, although it outspeeds that Gardy set anyway iirc. Worth a mention though, imo. Also I wouldn't put WoW on offensive CM. Maybe an AC mention, but even then... I'd rather use a more defensive set if I wanted to use WoW. I also like keeping SubWisp as an actual set, as it's really unique and actually effective. @ the AC on that set, though, change "the only commonly used Pokemon ... Exeggutor" to Psychics in general, as Musharna, opposing Gardy, and Eggy all resist those two moves. @ SuperJOCKE's post: Thunder Wave can go in OO. Like DTC said, the ACs in general could do with some expansion (talk about other move options, or perhaps teammates who benefit from this particular brand of Gardevoir).

    Sorry for my incredibly ramble-y QC check, haha. I kinda just posted my train of thought. Anyway, this looks pretty good imo, so once you make those changes...!

    QC APPROVED (1/3)
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    Mention Shadow Ball in AC in every set where you use Signal Beam. Personally I like using Shadow Ball because it hits Pokemon such as Drifblim and Misdreavus harder and you don't really lose anything at all by using it.

    Also add Reflect + dual screens in AC of defensive Calm Mind. It is very helpful for setting-up, you don't have to WoW anything first, and you don't have to worry about Pokemon such as Emboar and Floatzel being immune to Will-O-Wisp.

    Otherwise, QC Approve 2/3
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    QC 3/3
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    Thanks guys, this is now fully checked. I'll see GP in a week, it'll probably make me that long to write this thing. :O At least with a newly beefed up skeleton that is practically in sentence form it shouldn't be that hard...right? :P
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    You should also mention Trick Room somewhere, probably in the Weather Setter set in place of Rain Dance / Sunny Day. It can easily setup Trick Room and get in a sweeper safely with Memento.
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    It'd fit best in OO.
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    I'd advise mentioning Expert Belt four attacks set, as most people expect choice, making it quite the nice surprise suckerpunch when they realize, holy crap, it's not choice locked! As it already outspeeds every weather abuser bar Sawsbuck, this gives it a excellent element of surprise, and lets it abuse its stolen speed boosting ability even further. The downside is that it's not going to have the raw punch of choice specs nor the speed of choice scarf, but the coverage and freedom offered makes it worth it.
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    That's a definite OO mention along with Trick Room. I'm working on the write up little by little, but I feel that this way I don't run out of creativity or enthusiasm half way through.

    Guys, tell me what you think of my current writing style and if I'm writing enough. Don't want to create another Mawile situation where I needed 4 QC and 5 GP :O
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    I would replace Focus Blast with Signal Beam on all offensive sets (and drop Focus Blast in the case of the Choice set), as Focus Blast has a very shaky accuracy and is only carried to handle dark and rock/steel types. For dark types: Given that the premier (and really only one of any real use) dark type of the tier is Absol, it is the only thing we are concerned about killing in one hit. All offensive Gardevoir variants can outspeed it and OHKO with signal beam (even on low roll with expert belt, as the minimum damage dealt is is 240 with 252 SpAtk investment on a timid nature, which after even a expert belt boost is 282 damage, which is sufficient to KO Absol's 271 HP base HP by far), which is far better then OHKOing only 70% of the time. If Absol carries sucker punch you're still screwed though, which may warrant carrying Will-O-Wisp in the free slot that dropping Focus Blast provides on the expert belt set.

    On the note of the 152 HP Swords Dance absol sets: Gardevoir still OHKOs over 50% of the time with expert belt without rocks up, given that a 0 variance roll does 312 (after 20% SE boost), thus making it still bait to basically every priority move in the tier. If you choose to burn to check if it's a band set, it will still be killed on the second hit with signal beam (and best of all, the first swords dance will be pointless thanks to burn!) due to burn damage.

    I have not mentioned other dark types as, unless I did my calcs wrong, Signal Beam will OHKO all of them every time. Plus signal beam still hits for SE on skuntank, the other primer dark type (who also happens to only take neutral from focus blast).

    You could argue that Gardevoir should carry Focus Blast as a check to the various rock and rock/steel types in the tier, but given that a majority of them that are not OHKO'd by Psychic carry the ability Sturdy, it is usually a 2HKO at best, which is extremely undesired given the 70% accuracy of the move. Besides, the only really common rock/steel type is Probopass and he does jack shit to Gardevoir aside from statusing it at best, thus giving you a free swapin to, say, Gurdurr, who can Bulk Up for as long as it take for the opponent to catch on and then fire away mach punches (make sure their ghost is dead first!). You could argue Bastidoon, but Bastidoon only serves to drop rocks and the metal burst set will do 0 damage on a swap.

    Plus carrying Signal Beam gives you only 5 less base power then shadow ball while still dealing super-effective damage. It's also a clean OHKO on Eggxecutor, which would otherwise give Gardevoir significant trouble.

    tl;dr drop focus blast on every set as it is strictly inferior to signal beam
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    Just want to point out that Signal Beam is neutral on Skuntank, who is hit much harder by Focus Blast. Signal Beam does have its uses, but I would rather use Focus Blast to hit Probopass and Bastiodon while still being able to take out Absol. Signal Beam deserves a mention, but Focus Blast is definitely not inferior. Focus Blast also hits Cryogonal much much harder than anything else (apart from Psyshock).
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    Ah right my bad, poison resists bug. I always forget that. Anyways, I still feel that a fighting type on one's team that can abuse those swapins is a better choice then having Gardevoir use focus miss to take care of them.

    Plus you can get thunderbolt if you drop Focus Blast and who doesn't like thunderbolt to kill water types?
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    Signal Beam and Thunderbolt should really just be AC mentions on offensive sets, with obviously extra mention of Signal Beam replacing both coverage moves.
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    Well on Choice sets it needs Signal Beam to take down Exeggutor who is a major threat in the Sun.(Shadow Ball won't OHKO even 4HP Eggy) On Defensive CM Signal Beam is better than Focus Blast and Shadow Ball due to better PP and ability to hit both Dark- and Psychic-types. On Subwisp I could remove Signal Beam slash and keep it in AC.
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    Those are fine as they are. More than anything I meant that we shouldn't just out and out replace Focus Blast for it. XD

    Do mention that Signal Beam can open up a moveslot for those sets that run Focus Blast/Shadow Ball, although it's less powerful than both.
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    Finally ready for some good ol' GP checks. Also to note, its more than fine if nobody gives me a C/P GP, I wouldn't want to either with the length of this beast and my likely multiple amount of mistakes. ;_;

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