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Gen V 1 vs 1 Metagame

Discussion in 'OM Archive' started by doughboy, May 18, 2013.

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  1. Houndoomsday


    Mar 8, 2013
    Looking forward to usage stats of this metagame, they will be very interesting. I really like this tier because if I have an extra 5 minutes or whatever, I can ladder a couple of games really quick.

    I've gotten around 1700 with a combinations of Dragonite, Deoxys-D, and Whimsicott. The latter is absolutely a beast in 1v1s.

    Cloyster seems to be really anti-meta, dominated Whimsicott and Dragonite, two of the most common threats I've seen.
  2. Fun


    Jun 8, 2013
    You guys are forgetting the Best 1v1 Team Ever:


    My Cousin Vinny (Starly) @ Focus Sash
    Trait: Keen Eye
    Level: 25
    Hardy Nature
    IVs: 0 HP / 0 Atk / 0 Def / 0 SAtk / 0 SDef / 0 Spd
    - Endeavor
    - Quick Attack
    - Protect
    - Return

    If you do manage to win the battle, it's simply because your opponent doesn't expect you to try anything this stupid.
  3. Mari


    Aug 8, 2008
    Give it 252 Attack EVs and a Lonely nature.

    My favourite set so far (Warning: loses against multi-hit users like Cloyster or Marowak and Mold Breaker users):

    Magneto the Invincible (Magnemite) @ Berry Juice
    Trait: Sturdy
    Level: 7
    EVs: 252 Spd
    IVs: 9 HP
    - Recycle
    - Toxic
    - Protect
    - Swagger
  4. Fun


    Jun 8, 2013
    Oh, man. That's amazing.
  5. Chinchou

    Chinchou Banned deucer.

    Mar 31, 2013
    OINKERS (Swinub) @ Sash
    Trait: Thick Fat
    Level: 11
    EV's: None
    IVs: 0 Everything
    - Endeavor
    - Protect
    - Ice Shard
    - Toxic

  6. lousy918


    Jun 15, 2012
    mamoswine from first post butts in
    Just to say smeargle does everything
  7. Mari


    Aug 8, 2008
    Blissey (F) @ Focus Sash
    Trait: Serene Grace
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 SDef / 252 SAtk
    Mild Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Def
    - Counter
    - Hyper Beam
    - Shadow Ball / Ice Beam
    - Softboiled

    Counterbliss is very nice - if the opponent has no Sash as well. Counter can also let Blissey move after Endeavor (no chance for F.E.A.R) Hyper Beam and Shadow Ball are great moves.

    Shadow Ball can OHKO Lati@s, 2HKO Gengar and may lower the Special Defense for a Final Hyper Beam on other Pokémon. Ice Beam would hit Dragons better (however these are killed with a Counter), Flamethrower would probably an idea, but I did the best experience with Shadow Ball. Ice Beam Blissey has big problems with Shedinja and is therefore not recommended.
  8. eriados


    Feb 15, 2011
    I've been liking this set:


    Togekiss (M) @ Lum Berry
    Trait: Serene Grace
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 SAtk / 252 Spd
    Timid Nature
    - Thunder Wave
    - Air Slash
    - Roost
    - Nasty Plot / Heal Bell / Aura Sphere

    Togekiss is extremely bulky and can paraflinch almost anything out there. I haven't yet figured out what the ideal move for the last slot is. With Heal Bell you can stop things with Toxic, Nasty Plot allows you to break through bulkier things, and Aura Sphere lets you beat Aggron and makes your matchup with Mamoswine much more advantageous.
  9. Kitten Milk

    Kitten Milk [22:59:31] <KittenUU> 241 of which are fellacious

    Mar 4, 2013
    Something I've seen quite a lot recently (which was very annoying) is the following Smeargle set. It might possibly be considered for a ban, as only Multi-Hit users faster than it or Lum users with both a move to OHKO smeargle and priority (or trick scarfers I suppose) can really effectively deal with it.

    The set:

    Smeargle @ Focus Sash/Lum Berry
    Trait: Own Tempo
    EVs: 252 HP/4 SpD/252 Spe
    Timid Nature
    - Spore
    - Imprison
    - Transform
    - ?? (Magic Coat? ExtremeSpeed? Softboiled? I've never actually seen the 4th move used.)

    The concept is fairly simple. Spore T1, Imprison on the guaranteed turn of sleep, and then Transform. The opponent can no longer use any of its moves and will be forced to struggle each turn.

    A set I personally have had some success with is the following Chansey set, which manages to deal with both the all-out attackers of the tier as well as the low level annoyances.

    Chansey @ Eviolite
    Trait: Serene Grace
    EVs: 118 HP/252 Def/148 SpD
    Bold Nature
    - Toxic
    - Softboiled
    - Counter
    - DoubleSlap

    Pretty self explanatory. EVs are to be able to always live a Giga Impact from a jolly band slaking. Serene Grace because all of her abilities are basically useless in a 1v1 setting, so ._.'. Toxic is for stalling everything that can't OHKO Chansey (read: everything), Softboiled is for reliable recovery, and DoubleSlap is for the lovely level 1 mons that like to inhabit the tier.

    The main things that it loses to are that fucking annoying Smeargle set, something like a Conkledurr (which I don't see all too often), and perhaps Whimsicott if it isn't the level 1 variant.

    I'd be curious to see what you guys think about these sets.
  10. dragonpokeZ


    May 5, 2013
    Skarmory @ Lum Berry
    Trait: Sturdy
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Spe / 4 Atk
    IVs: 0 Def / 0 SpD
    Jolly Nature (+Spe,-SpA)
    - Counter
    - Mirror Coat
    - Taunt
    - Brave Bird

    Uses CounterCoat with its ability Sturdy to deal great damage to almost every Pokémon. Taunt blocks statuses and walls, while Brave Bird deals some damage. Lum Berry for sleep users.
  11. aron304


    Dec 1, 2012
  12. youngjake93


    Sep 3, 2012
    Custap Berry and Drill Peck would beat opposing sash users, lvl 1s, etc. I think you speed tie the fastest perfect accuracy sleeper, so sleeping skarm will alway be a gamble. Plus they will just put you to sleep after lum is used anyway.
  13. awsmminer3


    Jun 14, 2013
    This Keldeo set is working for me:
    Keldeo @ Choice Scarf
    252+ Speed, 252 Special Attack, 4 HP, -Attack
    Secret Sword
    Hydro Pump
    HP Ice
    Aqua Jet

    Hydro Pump and Secret Sword have amazing coverage, HP Ice takes D-nite, Mence, Haxo etc. Aqua Jet finishes off all the F.E.A.R's (Except lv.1 Aron with Sturdy and Shell Bell!). Choice Scarf and Speed both go in this set to ensure going first against anything not using higher priority.
  14. Heroes and Cons

    Heroes and Cons

    Jan 21, 2012
    Genesect needs banning, really, it is arguably even more powerful in 1v1 thanks to Download enabling it to OHKO basically any pokemon, and its lack of weaknesses combines with great special prowess making it very hard to kill.
  15. Houndoomsday


    Mar 8, 2013
    Genesect is countered pretty easily. While it's powerful its not ban worthy imo. A simple Whimsicott set dominates it.
  16. TBF Bri 10

    TBF Bri 10

    Jun 20, 2007
  17. MapleSandwich


    Jan 18, 2009
    Lol @ everyone immediately rushing to the thread and demanding bans...the metagame is barely a month old and you want to ban everything left and right? This meta needs time to evolve. How can you see what is truly banworthy if you give the meta no time to adapt? Try learning counter strategies before immediately demanding bans. For example, Taunt completely removes that Smeargle set. I've honestly found Taunt to be a very lacking part of the 1v1 meta (anecdotally), and I think it needs more consideration as a counter to these "super annoying" sets which almost entirely revolve around status move gimmicks.

    Speaking of gimmicks, has anyone tried good old Sub Gengar? It's fast enough to sub down enemy Sleepers, is immune to toxic stallers and Counter, as well as Doubleslap and Extremespeed/Mach Punch, and can even try to get fast KOs with its coverage moves with aid of a sash.
  18. noobcubed


    Jun 9, 2013
    I'm finding this set really surprisingly useful for something that has recently descended to NU:

    Jynx @ Focus sash

    252 SpAtk / 4 SpDef / 252 Spe

    -Fake out
    -Lovely kiss
    -Ice beam
    -Focus blast

    Beats Cloyster, careless Whimsicott that don't protect turn 1 and allow me to break their focus sash, and Mamoswine for starters, with fake out (to ignore focus sash) and a super-effective attack. Plus amongst all sleepers it has maybe the best compromise between speed and reliability of sleeping move.
  19. Lyto

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    Oct 1, 2011
    I've been trying out this set recently and it seems to work pretty well:

    Bisharp @ Focus Sash
    Trait: Inner Focus
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk
    IVs: 0 Spe
    Brave Nature
    - Protect
    - Metal Burst
    - Taunt
    - Sucker Punch

    Protect is for Fake Out users, Taunt is for pokemon such as Blissey, Metal Burst acts as a pseudo-CounterCoat, and Sucker Punch is priority for opposing Sashers, or to attack when MB is not required.
    Brave nature and 0 Speed IVs is due to MB not having negative priority, so they are needed to help go last.
    I've found the main counters to the set to be ESpeeders (along with other fast sash-priority users) and fast Spore users, but aside from when facing those, it works well.
  20. urdrakonis


    Jul 16, 2012
    Some sets I've been using to some success:

    Hippowdon @ Leftovers
    Trait: Sand Stream
    EVs: 252 HP / 88 SDef / 168 Def
    Impish Nature
    - Earthquake
    - Sleep Talk
    - Rest
    - Ice Fang

    EV'd to avoid 2hkos (can't remember what specifically, did the calcs a few days ago). Rest + sleep talk beats toxic stalling and psycho shift burn. Ice fang to get some hax during bad matchups and to hit levitate / flying mons.

    Scizor @ Lum Berry
    Trait: Technician
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 HP / 252 Spd
    Adamant Nature
    - Superpower
    - Bullet Punch
    - Bug Bite
    - Knock Off

    Pretty standard. Some proper EVing will help increase its abilitiy to survive. Knock off is for all those assclowns who want to bring in shit like FEAR aron etc.
  21. Lasagne


    Apr 15, 2013
    Took me a while to post in this thread but w/e.

    Seriously this thing is so good, one of the only things that beats it reliably is whimsicott, as it can stall out your toxic orb and slowly kill you. Hariyama got me to #1 on the ladder not once, not twice, but 3 times! It also 100% counters the supposedly broken genesect. The set was already provided earlier in the thread, so I'm not going to bother posting it here too. Its just so good, go use it, etc etc.

  22. Psylink


    Sep 9, 2012
    How about...

    Stallbusters! (Espeon) @ Focus Sash
    Trait: Magic Bounce
    EVs: 252 SAtk / 252 Spd /4 SpD
    Modest / Timid Nature
    - Psychic / Psyshock
    - Shadow Ball
    - Hidden Power [Fire]
    - Quick Attack / Psyshock / Psychic

    This is amazing. It can do well in many situations. It shuts down Whimsicott and Blissey (Depending on if you have Psyschock or not). It has Sash so it can retaliate back with an attack, and maybe activate their Sash. Shadow Ball and HP Fire are crucial. Shadow Ball hits some common Ghosts like Gengar that try to get some status on you (That seems popular because it can Status, then attack, rather than using Sableye). HP Fire hits Jirachi and Metagross, two other common ones. I use Quick attack in this situation: Espeon vs Cloyster. I knock it to Sash with Psychic, and it sets up Shell Smash. Normally it would outspeed and KO with Icicle Spear, but I outspeed and kill with Quick Attack. I would use special priority if it had it, though. Works pretty well!
  23. Level 51

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    Dec 16, 2011
    Abomasnow hasn't featured very prominently in this thread so I thought I'd post it since it's been quite good from experience:

    Abomasnow @ Focus Sash
    Trait: Snow Warning
    EVs: 252 SAtk / 252 Spd /4 Atk
    Mild/Rash Nature
    - Blizzard
    - Giga Drain
    - Hidden Power [Fire]
    - Ice Shard / Protect / Focus Blast

    As you can probably see, Abomasnow struggles with some 4MSS. Happily, it does manage to beat a number of threats, including but not limited to Dragonite, Garchomp, Latios, Latias, Gastrodon, Genesect, Scizor, Breloom (if it wakes up fast enough), Gliscor, and Magnezone (sometimes??). If you run Protect, it has a 50% chance of beating Guts users like Hariyama thanks to Toxic Orb + Hail residual damage.

    Unfortunately, Abomasnow does auto-lose to Jirachi, Metagross, and more or less anything remotely bulky which it can't hit SE with its STAB, and even stuff it hits SE like Cloyster (if you're lucky and the opponent is dumb you have a 12.5% chance of surviving an initial Rock Blast) and Keldeo. Other (slower) weather inducers also wreck the unfortunate tree.
  24. Karpi


    Sep 9, 2007
    Isn't 1v1 kind of just a rock/paper/scissors contest?

    You have level 1 Cottonee as the Rock. Focus Sash + Leech Seed + Protect gives it a win against all pokemon that aren't grass type or have multi-hit moves.

    Grass pokemon/pokemon with multi-hit moves are the Paper. They destroy Cottonee but are generally of average power (aside from Breloom).

    Everything else is the scissors. They will usually be able to kill the mediocre grass types but lose to Cottonee.

    Is there something I'm missing?
  25. simsims2800


    Mar 13, 2013
    Magnemite beats EVERYTHING.
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