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Gen V STABmons

Discussion in 'Other Metagames' started by Eevee General, May 25, 2013.

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  1. Heroes and Cons

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    The second move would assuredly be Taunt.
  2. Harbinger of Peace

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  3. Bent1ey

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    Of course, yes, you can get them in Gen IV.
  4. Champion Steve

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    Goodbye, Golurk. I'll kind of miss you. You were the ultimate HO Pokemon.
    ...he'll be allowed in STABmons Ubers if that ever becomes a thing, right?

    (I realise that OHKO moves are being banned and not Golurk, but let's face it. It has pretty much nothing else going for it.)
  5. Eevee General

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    I should have clarified with that message I left on your wall.

    Now OHKO clause is back. Golurk is still allowed, just not Fissure.

    Ninja'd by Champion Steve!
  6. toxicroaker

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    bibarel on a baton pass team is epic :D
  7. SpartanMalice

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    With Prankster Sableye doesn't really need the Speed EVs, the only thing that will outspeed it is Whimsicott and other Pranksters, but then you could switch to something can absorb sleep anyway. I dunno about running a status move, since he has a reliable sleep move now, but I guess WoW could still be useful. I run recover though since he's my physical wall as well.

    Also, since Psychics get Cosmic Power now, maybe Slowbro could abuse it. Stored Power as well.
  8. toxicroaker

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    good bibarel smash pass set
    Bibarel @ white herb
    [​IMG]
    ability: simple
    evs: 128 def 128 sdef 252 spe
    substitute
    shell smash
    baton pass
    recover/yawn
  9. bobbyvaporeon

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    This set is complete Taunt bait. I might use Extremespeed in the last slot.
  10. toxicroaker

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    good advice ;D
  11. -Sparkbeat-

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    [​IMG]
    Chansey (F) @ Eviolite
    Trait: Natural Cure
    EVs: 252 Def / 252 HP / 4 SDef
    Bold Nature
    - Mean Look
    - Perish Song
    - Protect
    - Wish

    Yeah this is kinda for lulz...
  12. RandomName12321

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    I'm in a video, granted, my butt is being handed to me, but still lol

    Scizor is a beast. The ability to 2HKO Thunderus after SR and a Gear Grind after one boost is awesome, even while holding Lefties. I'm sad ScarfedToed can still outspeed if it is running a bulky spread. Anyone got a better spread for Zor besides a 252 Hp/252 Atk+? Would speed benefit it or more or the bulky spread for trying to get multiple boosts?
  13. SpartanMalice

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    For trying to get multiple boosts, HP is probably the best option. However everyone's running Shift Gear now and prefer Gear Grind over Bullet Punch, so you might have to invest in speed in order to outspeed.
  14. Eevee General

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    Sleeping on the Job:
    A Guide to Sleep in STABmons​

    • ||What are we working with?||
    Spore: Grass -- 100% acc -- 15pp
    Dark Void: Dark -- 80% acc -- 10pp
    Lovely Kiss: Normal -- 75% acc -- 10pp
    Sleep Powder: Grass -- 75% acc - 15pp
    Hypnosis: Psychic -- 60% acc -- 20pp
    Sing: Normal -- 55% acc -- 15pp
    GrassWhistle: Grass -- 55% acc -- 15pp

    • ||Who runs it?||
    Prankster
    Spore: [​IMG]
    Dark Void: [​IMG][​IMG][​IMG]

    Set Up/Offensive
    Spore: [​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG]

    Dark Void: [​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG]

    Lovely Kiss: [​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG]

    Support
    Spore: [​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG]

    Dark Void: [​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG]

    Lovely Kiss: [​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG]

    • ||What stops it?||
    Magic Bounce
    Magic Coat
    Taunt
    Substitute
    Sap Sipper (Spore/Sleep Powder/GrassWhistle)
    Insomnia
    Vital Spirit
    Soundproof (Sing/GrassWhistle)
    Safeguard
    Guts
    Poison Heal
  15. SpartanMalice

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    Just an idea, but Coil could probably be effective on mixed sets for Grass/Poison pokemon with Seed Flare.

    Eevee, wouldn't Sap Sipper stop Grasswhistle too ? Though nobody's gonna be using it anyway with Spore around...
  16. Bent1ey

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    Crobat can Coil for a rather fast Hypnosis, but it remains a rather late game sweeper.
  17. Mr Omgness

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    Might wanna add Murkrow to that list of Support pokes that can Dark Void. With Prankster he really likes Dark Void on his PerishTrap set.

    EDIT: Nvm, I'm stupid, just saw you put a separate column for Pranksters.
  18. Spork

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    You mean you baton-passed ~15 boosts to Golurk and it swept??

    D: D: D: BAN OHKO

    regardless, it's silly to arbitrarily change fundamental OU clauses because it further highlights the absurdity of changing everything else.
  19. SpartanMalice

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    OHKO is banned already.

    Yeah, Murkrow can be a decent alternative to sableye. Lower defenses and no destiny bond, but PerishTrap with Void sounds good. And he's got Tailwind as well.

    Some more Dark moves. Fake Tears ? It does the same job as Seed Flare, with better accuracy, and they can use it with Prankster.
  20. RandomName12321

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    It is more of the fact that all it needs is speed to sweep. It didn't even really need the defense boosts. With Gravity and Fissure, it can OHKO any pokemon for 5 turns and if there isn't a flier all it needs is for Ninjask to pass 3 or so speed boosts to it and then you're done. It can also boost its own speed with Rock Polish. There is also Trick Room to take into account.


    For a lead Chansey set, would Mental Herb be better or Lum Berry for SmashPssing?
  21. Harbinger of Peace

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    I just wanted to accumulate a lot of boosts to be able to reliably switch in, set up gravity, and sweep with it. Plus, it's a lot of fun doing BP, because if I want, I can pull off a Stored power sweep instead.
  22. Eevee General

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    So it has been a couple days (even with Smogon down). What do you guys think about the pre-evo moves? Has anyone tested Belly Drum/Shell Smash Azumarill? Should we keep access to pre-evo STAB?

    Vote: Y or N

    I say Yes.
  23. SpartanMalice

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    I haven't tried pre-evo moves yet since no one's playing Super Stab at the moment, but I'll give it a shot. Mostly though, other than Extremespeed Azumarill/Shell Smash Azumarill I don't really see anything wrong with allowing them.

    Regardless, I'll vote Yes. This makes things more interesting.
  24. thesynchrohero

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    Who cares about Flare Blitz, it gets V-create + Espeed

    EDIT : Where do you play this
  25. SpartanMalice

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    Custom Game. Flareon could probably benefit from Belly Drum/Espeed/V-Create. All it would need to worry about it is faster E-speeders, since the speed drop from V-Create is negligible and the attack drops are only noticeable after 4 turns when it negates the Belly Drum boost. It would have to survive though. Maybe Slack Off for recovery.
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